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Tom Servo
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January 11, 2007
An Actual Peace and Freedom Candidate
Posted by Lew Rockwell at January 11, 2007 01:54 PM

Today, incorporation papers were filed for a Ron Paul 2008 presidential exploratory committee. More news to come!


http://blog.lewrockwell.com/lewrw/archives/012065.html

More news indeed.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2...1713.shtml?s=lh
NotSarcasticOrCynical
QUOTE(Tom Servo @ Jan 30 2007, 11:16 PM) [snapback]280384[/snapback]


I seriously hope he runs and doesn't drop out.
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(NotSarcasticOrCynical @ Jan 30 2007, 10:22 PM) [snapback]280386[/snapback]

I seriously hope he runs and doesn't drop out.

I do too, and that the cats can get their herd behind him.
Kentucky Thinker
Wow Tom, we were thinking up the same topic at almost the same time. You know what they say about great minds... smile.gif
Arturo_Vandelay
I wonder if it's possible to have both peace and freedom indefinitely. I'm highly suspect.
NotSarcasticOrCynical
War is Peace.
Freedom is Slavery.
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(NotSarcasticOrCynical @ Jan 30 2007, 10:18 PM) [snapback]280419[/snapback]
War is Peace.
Freedom is Slavery.


Another poster likes that quote too. The great minds think alike can turn into strange bedfellows in a flash. smile.gif
Carol
QUOTE(NotSarcasticOrCynical @ Jan 31 2007, 12:18 AM) [snapback]280419[/snapback]
War is Peace.
Freedom is Slavery.




Catchy phrase.



Doesn't say much on the surface.



Care to expand?



Are you literally in chains?



Or do you just feel like you're in slavery?



And whose fault is that?





beasty
I know I've seen that around here before.
judy
QUOTE(Carol @ Feb 16 2007, 11:06 AM) [snapback]283909[/snapback]

Catchy phrase.



Doesn't say much on the surface.



Care to expand?



Are you literally in chains?



Or do you just feel like you're in slavery?



And whose fault is that?



Perhaps, it's poor choice of words... 'Freedom being slavery' is an Orwellian quote.

Freedom to do great things usually requires a group effort. Is Synergism slavery? Does the end justify the means? The picture that comes to mind is the image of slaves building the pyramids, or the Chinese building our railroad system. Do people lose their freedom when they join together to accomplish a project that is impossible for one to do alone? Perhaps, it depends whether one is forced to do the task, then that would be slavery, but if a group effort to "raise a barn' is voluntary and a social event as well, then it is not slavery. Freedom to join a group to work or influence would not be slavery, imo.
beasty
Individualism is a fine thing, but individuals working together can accomplish a lot more. The Libertarian/Republican Paul has some interesting thoughts, but I don't think he is aiming at the right part of either party, and therefore not likely to get many votes.

Libertarian defense just does not make it with me in the modern world.

Nice to see you around Judy. smile.gif
judy
QUOTE(beasty @ Feb 20 2007, 11:04 AM) [snapback]284934[/snapback]

Individualism is a fine thing, but individuals working together can accomplish a lot more. The Libertarian/Republican Paul has some interesting thoughts, but I don't think he is aiming at the right part of either party, and therefore not likely to get many votes.

Libertarian defense just does not make it with me in the modern world.

Nice to see you around Judy. smile.gif


Right.... there's some disconnect.

Thanks, Beasty! wink.gif
SpaceCowboy
This from Libertarian Antiwar.com


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George Will and the Conservatism We Lost

Monday, February 19th, 2007 in News by Justin Raimondo|

Here’s George Will, the inventor (albeit not the chief practitioner) of “strong government conservatism,” sniffing disdainfully at Ron Paul, Congress’s one and only consistent advocate of good old-fashioned “small government conservatism,” as “a cheerful anachronism.” After all, Rep. Paul’s quirky idea that “the federal government is a government of strictly enumerated powers” is held “with more stubbornness than evidence.” Silly Ron — he thought conservatives were advocates of limited government. But he didn’t bank on the revisionism of Will & his fellow neocons, who have redefined traditional conservatism out of existence. Today, Barry Goldwater — and the rhetorical Reagan — would be laughed off the stage of a National Review “summit” (not that he’d be invited in the first place).

The neocons would prefer to ignore Ron. Here is a Republican congressman from George W. Bush’s state who routinely denounces the big-spending, big-government -creating policies of his President, and is a staunch opponent of the Iraq war. Ron’s devotion to principle — the priniciples conservatives used to uphold, albeit only in theory — shows up the “official” conservative leadership as fraudulent. So why is Will writing about Ron?

Well, to begin with, the libertarian Republican congressman from Texas is reportedly running for President, and, as such, has been invited to participate in the first GOP primary debate, to be held in New Hampshire on April 4.


Congrats to Paul backers!



“This could be entertaining, meaning embarrassing,” avers Will. Yes, but embarrassing for whom? The “strong government” conservatives in the GOP presidential wannabe pack — i.e. everybody but Ron – are the ones likely to be caught up short. All have issues with the core Republican constituency — if it isn’t a bit of personal eccentricity, as in Giuliani’s case, it’s a theological one, as in Romney’s — and rank-and-file GOPers looking for the Real Thing are bound to find Ron attractive. Will cites Ron as saying that the New Hampshire debate will reveal “how many real Republicans are left” — and that is something the neocons, who are apparently uniting around Giuliani, would rather not find out.

The real threat, of course, is that Ron will mobilize the growing legions of Republicans who oppose the Iraq war — and its extension into Iran. As a principled opponent of our interventionist foreign policy — Will describes his support of the anti-”surge” resolution as “vehement” — Ron could tap into the 30 percent or so of anti-”surge” Republicans. In a field divided by as many as half a dozen ostensible conservatives — all of them vehemently pro-war — this would amount to significant support and put Ron on the map as a viable candidate. A populist, antiwar libertarian revolt in the GOP — this is the stuff of the neocons’ worst nightmares. Which is why Will dissed Ron. However we’ll see who has the last laugh ….

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/02/19/geo...vatism-we-lost/
Samuel Adams
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Feb 21 2007, 02:57 AM) [snapback]285106[/snapback]


Ron Paul will do very well if the establishment doesn't arrainge for his plane to crash.
beasty
If he gets 15% support I'll be surprised. With Iraq being the #1 issue he isn't likely to get a lot of republican primary support.

Maybe if every Libertarian registered republican, but how often can you get Libs to do anything together?
Nomarchy
QUOTE(beasty @ Feb 21 2007, 07:29 AM) [snapback]285141[/snapback]

If he gets 15% support I'll be surprised. With Iraq being the #1 issue he isn't likely to get a lot of republican primary support.

Maybe if every Libertarian registered republican, but how often can you get Libs to do anything together?


Amazingly enough, most folks rightly appreciate that Ron Paul's anti-Federal Reserve thrust is misguided.
Arturo_Vandelay
I'm sure a lot of people appreciate or don't appreciate different Paul thrusts. But to win a presidential election as a Republican he has to win a primary with major Rep support, and I can't see that happening. Uniting over one more technical issue like the Fed isn't likely to be a rallying point.
Tom Servo
QUOTE(beasty @ Feb 21 2007, 10:29 AM) [snapback]285141[/snapback]

If he gets 15% support I'll be surprised. With Iraq being the #1 issue he isn't likely to get a lot of republican primary support.

Maybe if every Libertarian registered republican, but how often can you get Libs to do anything together?
He could also land a lot of support in states with open primaries.


QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Feb 25 2007, 01:16 AM) [snapback]285984[/snapback]

Amazingly enough, most folks rightly appreciate that Ron Paul's anti-Federal Reserve thrust is misguided.
Most folks don't know their butts from a hole in the ground when the topic of Fed is brought up, let alone have the intellectual wherewithal to appreciate whether or not his position on the matter is misguided.


QUOTE(beasty @ Feb 20 2007, 11:04 AM) [snapback]284934[/snapback]

Individualism is a fine thing, but individuals working together can accomplish a lot more. The Libertarian/Republican Paul has some interesting thoughts, but I don't think he is aiming at the right part of either party, and therefore not likely to get many votes.
What is that group of individuals without its individuals?
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(Tom Servo @ Feb 26 2007, 01:09 PM) [snapback]286248[/snapback]

What is that group of individuals without its individuals?


The Green Party?
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Nomarchy
QUOTE(Tom Servo @ Feb 26 2007, 12:09 PM) [snapback]286248[/snapback]


What is that group of individuals without its individuals?


A non-empirical object?
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