As long as Servo doesn't disapprove I'm going to toss out a catch all for conservative discussion, articles, cartoons. Whatever you please, but no personal attacks. If necessary or desired I'll move this to a separate NEW forum and "hire" moderators.
Maybe this will allow Servo to keep his specialized topics clean, and allow for some back and forth.
Full Version: Conservative soapbox
Once upon a time, in the kitchen of a farmhouse, there lived a tiny, brownish-grey mouse. One day, looking through the crack in the wall the mouse watched as the farmer and his wife opened a package.
"I wonder what food the package might contain?" The mouse asked himself. He was devastated to discover it was a mousetrap.
Retreating to the farmyard, the mouse proclaimed the warning: "There is a mousetrap in the house! There is a mousetrap in the house!"
The chicken clucked and scratched searching for food. Raising her head, she turned to the mouse and said, "Mr. Mouse,I can tell this is a grave concern to you, but it is of no consequence to me. I cannot be bothered by it."
The mouse turned to the pig and told him, "There is a mousetrap in the house! There is a mousetrap in the house!"
The pig sympathized, but said, "I am so very sorry, Mr. Mouse, but there is nothing I can do about it but pray. Be assured you are in my prayers."
The mouse turned to the cow and said "There is a mousetrap in the house! There is a mousetrap in the house!"
The cow said, "Wow, Mr. Mouse. I'm sorry for you, but it's no skin off my nose."
So, the mouse returned to the house, head down and dejected, to face the farmer's mousetrap alone.
That very night a sound was heard throughout the house. It was the sound of a mousetrap catching its prey.
The farmer's wife rushed to see what was caught. In the darkness, she did not see that it was a venomous snake whose tail was being held fast by the trap. The snake bit the farmer's wife.
The farmer rushed her to the hospital, and she returned home with a fever.
Now, everyone knows you treat a fever with fresh chicken soup, so the farmer took his hatchet to the farmyard for the soup's main ingredient.
But his wife's sickness continued, so friends and neighbours came to sit with her around the clock. In order to feed them, the farmer butchered the pig.
Still the farmer's wife did not get well. One day; she died. So many people came for her funeral that the farmer had the cow slaughtered to provide enough meat for all of them.
All the poor little mouse could do was look upon it all from his crack in the wall with great sadness.
So, the next time you hear of someone who is facing a problem and think it doesn't concern you, remember -- when one of us is threatened, we are all at risk.
Lately the whole world has been threatened by a relative few, and almost nobody wants to do anything about it. The only saving grace is the US isn't a mouse, yet.
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Feb 20 2007, 10:22 AM) [snapback]284924[/snapback]
Lately the whole world has been threatened by a relative few, and almost nobody wants to do anything about it. The only saving grace is the US isn't a mouse, yet.
But there are a lot of chickens, pigs and cows.........
They won't believe there's a real wolf until somebody gets eaten. Then you know who will get blamed.
Hillary said she went to Bill's old team to check on WMD reports and they were the ones that told her how dangerous Saddam was. She didn't trust Bush, but even her own people, who were in charge of intel in the 90's told her Saddam was going to restart his nuke program and had chemical weapons.
Now she's trying to play both sides, as usual. Hopefully the press will cover her flip-flops, but I doubt it.
Hillary said she went to Bill's old team to check on WMD reports and they were the ones that told her how dangerous Saddam was. She didn't trust Bush, but even her own people, who were in charge of intel in the 90's told her Saddam was going to restart his nuke program and had chemical weapons.
Now she's trying to play both sides, as usual. Hopefully the press will cover her flip-flops, but I doubt it.
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Feb 20 2007, 07:22 AM) [snapback]284924[/snapback]
Lately the whole world has been threatened by a relative few, and almost nobody wants to do anything about it. The only saving grace is the US isn't a mouse, yet.
That is simply not true. Plenty of people want to do a variety of things about it.
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Feb 25 2007, 06:52 PM) [snapback]286145[/snapback]
That is simply not true. Plenty of people want to do a variety of things about it.
Like what?
This seemed like a good place for this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...749.html?sub=AR
My Boys Like Shootouts. What's Wrong With That?
By Jonathan Turley
Sunday, February 25, 2007; Page B01
As the father of four kids younger than 9, I confess to being an overly obsessive and doting parent. I secretly follow my 8-year-old son, Benjamin, when he goes out on his bike, to make sure that he doesn't ride in the middle of the street. I hover inches over my 18-month-old daughter, Madie, at the playground to make sure that she doesn't eat sand. I am the very model of the risk-averse parent. Yet for some parents in my neighborhood, my kids and I are the risk to be avoided, even if it means removing their children when we show up at the park. The reason: toy guns.
I first noticed the "shunning" at the most unlikely of events. Each year on Labor Day, my Alexandria community has a "Wheel Day" parade in which hundreds of kids convert their bikes, scooters and wagons into different fantasy vehicles. Last year, we turned our red wagon into a replica Conestoga wagon with real sewn canvas over wooden ribs, wooden water barrels, quarter horse -- and, yes, plastic rifles. It was a big hit and the kids won first prize for their age group. The celebration, however, was short lived. As soon as one mother spotted the toy rifles inside the wagon, she pulled her screaming children out of the event, announcing that she would not "expose them" to guns.
I must confess to feeling a mix of deep guilt and even deeper rage at that moment. It was not as though my kids were reenacting the massacre of a Cherokee village; they were simply living out innocent fantasies of the Old West. After some grumbling, my friends and I eventually dismissed the matter as some earth mother gone berserk.
But then it happened again.
My 4-year-old son, Aidan, brought his orange Buzz Lightyear plastic ray gun to "the pit," as our neighborhood playground is known. As he began pursuing an evildoer -- his 6-year-old brother, Jack -- around the playground, a mother froze with an expression of utter revulsion. Glaring alternately from Aidan to me, she waited for a few minutes before grabbing her son and proclaiming loudly that he could not play there "if that boy is going to be allowed to play with guns."
While such "zero-tolerance" parents still seem to be a minority, this is a scene that seems to be repeating itself with increasing regularity. To these parents, my wife and I are "gun-tolerant" and therefore corruptors of children who should be avoided. Not only are such toys viewed as encouraging aggressive behavior and violent attitudes, they are also seen as reinforcing gender stereotypes, with boys playing with guns or swords and girls playing with dolls or cooking sets.
My wife and I are hardly poster parents for the National Rifle Association. We are social liberals who fret over every detail and danger of child rearing. We do not let our kids watch violent TV shows and do not tolerate rough play. Like most of our friends, we tried early on to avoid any gender stereotypes in our selection of games and toys. However, our effort to avoid guns and swords and other similar toys became a Sisyphean battle. Once, in a fit of exasperation, my wife gathered up all of the swords that the boys had acquired as gifts and threw them into the trash. When she returned to the house, she found that the boys had commandeered the celery from the refrigerator to finish their epic battle. Forced to choose between balanced diets and balanced play, my wife returned the swords with strict guidelines about where and when pirate fights, ninja attacks and Jedi rescues could occur.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...749.html?sub=AR
My Boys Like Shootouts. What's Wrong With That?
By Jonathan Turley
Sunday, February 25, 2007; Page B01
As the father of four kids younger than 9, I confess to being an overly obsessive and doting parent. I secretly follow my 8-year-old son, Benjamin, when he goes out on his bike, to make sure that he doesn't ride in the middle of the street. I hover inches over my 18-month-old daughter, Madie, at the playground to make sure that she doesn't eat sand. I am the very model of the risk-averse parent. Yet for some parents in my neighborhood, my kids and I are the risk to be avoided, even if it means removing their children when we show up at the park. The reason: toy guns.
I first noticed the "shunning" at the most unlikely of events. Each year on Labor Day, my Alexandria community has a "Wheel Day" parade in which hundreds of kids convert their bikes, scooters and wagons into different fantasy vehicles. Last year, we turned our red wagon into a replica Conestoga wagon with real sewn canvas over wooden ribs, wooden water barrels, quarter horse -- and, yes, plastic rifles. It was a big hit and the kids won first prize for their age group. The celebration, however, was short lived. As soon as one mother spotted the toy rifles inside the wagon, she pulled her screaming children out of the event, announcing that she would not "expose them" to guns.
I must confess to feeling a mix of deep guilt and even deeper rage at that moment. It was not as though my kids were reenacting the massacre of a Cherokee village; they were simply living out innocent fantasies of the Old West. After some grumbling, my friends and I eventually dismissed the matter as some earth mother gone berserk.
But then it happened again.
My 4-year-old son, Aidan, brought his orange Buzz Lightyear plastic ray gun to "the pit," as our neighborhood playground is known. As he began pursuing an evildoer -- his 6-year-old brother, Jack -- around the playground, a mother froze with an expression of utter revulsion. Glaring alternately from Aidan to me, she waited for a few minutes before grabbing her son and proclaiming loudly that he could not play there "if that boy is going to be allowed to play with guns."
While such "zero-tolerance" parents still seem to be a minority, this is a scene that seems to be repeating itself with increasing regularity. To these parents, my wife and I are "gun-tolerant" and therefore corruptors of children who should be avoided. Not only are such toys viewed as encouraging aggressive behavior and violent attitudes, they are also seen as reinforcing gender stereotypes, with boys playing with guns or swords and girls playing with dolls or cooking sets.
My wife and I are hardly poster parents for the National Rifle Association. We are social liberals who fret over every detail and danger of child rearing. We do not let our kids watch violent TV shows and do not tolerate rough play. Like most of our friends, we tried early on to avoid any gender stereotypes in our selection of games and toys. However, our effort to avoid guns and swords and other similar toys became a Sisyphean battle. Once, in a fit of exasperation, my wife gathered up all of the swords that the boys had acquired as gifts and threw them into the trash. When she returned to the house, she found that the boys had commandeered the celery from the refrigerator to finish their epic battle. Forced to choose between balanced diets and balanced play, my wife returned the swords with strict guidelines about where and when pirate fights, ninja attacks and Jedi rescues could occur.
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Feb 25 2007, 06:06 PM) [snapback]286147[/snapback]
Like what?
Like disrupt the financing operations of terrorist networks. Like resolving some long-standing conflicts which fuel resentments. Like supporting secular governments and promoting economic development that puts more folks "in our system" and indirectly closer to our values.
And so on.
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Feb 25 2007, 09:14 PM) [snapback]286165[/snapback]
Like disrupt the financing operations of terrorist networks.
We're already doing that.
QUOTE
Like resolving some long-standing conflicts which fuel resentments.
I don't know what exact resentments you mean. The resentment of a few religious nuts that they're stuck dealing with the west where without the west's use of fuel they'd be eating dirt and living in tents? Paris Hilton has nothing on them when it comes to brattiness.
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Feb 25 2007, 08:27 PM) [snapback]286169[/snapback]
We're already doing that.
NS. It's not as if what we're doing now is ONLY military.
So, STFU with your black-and-white cowdoody about practically nobody wanting to do anything about Islamic terrorism.
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Feb 25 2007, 10:21 PM) [snapback]286184[/snapback]
NS. It's not as if what we're doing now is ONLY military.
Never said it was. The people intimating that are the lefties that ONLY want to use law enforcement.
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Feb 19 2007, 12:45 PM) [snapback]284761[/snapback]
As long as Servo doesn't disapprove I'm going to toss out a catch all for conservative discussion, articles, cartoons. Whatever you please, but no personal attacks. If necessary or desired I'll move this to a separate NEW forum and "hire" moderators.
Maybe this will allow Servo to keep his specialized topics clean, and allow for some back and forth.
I can use all the help I can get!
QUOTE(Tom Servo @ Feb 26 2007, 01:00 PM) [snapback]286246[/snapback]
Why would I disapprove??
I can use all the help I can get!
I can use all the help I can get!
Join the club. Got a nickle?
(YAWN)
Here's and oldie but all you have to do is change some of the names and faces and it's as fresh as yesterday.
QUOTE
Let's Retire The Word 'conservative,' Since It Means Nothing
<snip>
The problem with the "Conservative Revolution" is that "conservative" really doesn't mean anything. It's a fashionable term, so they all try to position themselves as "conservatives."
A few examples should suffice. William F. Buckley is a conservative. He has written that the War on Drugs is an immoral and unjust abuse of governmental power and an infringement on our constitutional rights. William Bennett is also a conservative, and he the only thing wrong with the War on Drugs is that they haven't locked up enough people yet.
Phil Gramm is a conservative, and he believes in free trade. Patrick Buchanan is a conservative, and he believes in protective tariffs and other trade restrictions.
Bob Dole is a conservative, and he has supported food stamps throughout his congressional career. The House Republican freshmen are conservatives, and they say food stamps just cause us to be shiftless and lazy and they really hurt people.
<snip>
The problem with the "Conservative Revolution" is that "conservative" really doesn't mean anything. It's a fashionable term, so they all try to position themselves as "conservatives."
A few examples should suffice. William F. Buckley is a conservative. He has written that the War on Drugs is an immoral and unjust abuse of governmental power and an infringement on our constitutional rights. William Bennett is also a conservative, and he the only thing wrong with the War on Drugs is that they haven't locked up enough people yet.
Phil Gramm is a conservative, and he believes in free trade. Patrick Buchanan is a conservative, and he believes in protective tariffs and other trade restrictions.
Bob Dole is a conservative, and he has supported food stamps throughout his congressional career. The House Republican freshmen are conservatives, and they say food stamps just cause us to be shiftless and lazy and they really hurt people.
http://www.custerguide.com/quillen/eqcols/19962186.htm
Let's retire all the single words, and go by our political compass scores.
If you like you can reserve "conservative" for a certain number right and beyond.
Mykes 4.62 /-3.64
A Vandelay. +.38 /-2.0
A Vandelay -1.38/ -1.69
Bruce MO +3.13 / +2.92
Hunin - 7.00 /- 5.50
Coco -5.00 / - 4.62
F.B. +2.38 / +2.31
FriendJudy -2.00/ -4.31
FriendJudy (07/13/05) -2.38/ -3.90
FriendJudy (03/07) -2.63/ -4.97
SNK AKA Nomarchy - 6.63 // -7.54
Nomarchy (02/18/2004) -7.12/-6.15
Nomarchy -5.75/-7.03
Nomarch (07/05) -5.63/-6.26
Nomarchy(07/13/05) -5.50/-5.90
Nomarch (03/07) -4.25/ -5.13
T.J. -1.64// +6.63
Skrip - 5.80 // -6.31
Human Ills - 0.38 // +0.51
Robhugh (LP) +0.25 // +1.54
Lord P -0.75 / 0.00
Justme +1.88 // +0.82
Pat - 4.38 // - 5.18
GTEssex 0.00/1.79
GT (02/2006) 0.63/1.13
Frank N.J. - 4.63 // -2.82
Nannie - 5.13 // - 4.46
Rainman +2.25 // -1.28
Miz(headhunter )-5.25/-2.72
Miz -1.13/-2.46
cal wurden +8.00 / -3.74
CFKane -5.12/-7.13
Space Cowboy -1.50 / -4.62
CharlieRay -6.12/-2.05
member -5.38 / 3.23.
Myrmidon -1.50 / -2.92
tvelection -4.12/-4.92,
WorkerBee -4.62 / -3.69
Bee -4.88/-4.26
desertlioness -5.88 /-1.64
istt 1.62/-1.23
veganryon -3.3 / -2.51
veganryon (02/18/2004) -3.88 / -1.8
DeKazz -6.12 / -7.33
Thor's day Child 2.75/ -0.15
breezy 0.38/-3.8
4Ward -2.25/-2.77
Rocco Rosano -2.12 / -3.49
Rocco Rosano (03/07) -3.88/ -2.51
MKRILEY -8.00/-6.00
Big -2.25 / 2.41
Bart Katz 1.88/ 2.77
G.G. -2.38 /-3.28
DARBYMAN -5.4/ -4.5
rustyfeasel -5.12 /-7.85
manofsteelbeams 2.25/1.85
celt -6.38/ -4.26
celt (03/07? eh?) -6.38/-4.26
Bix -8.88/ -6.21
Bix (02/2006) -9.00/ -7.59
Nunyadb -2.75/1.64
arebuntz 9.13/ -4.92
beasty -1.13/ -1.12
Speedy (SRX) -1.13/ -2.77
underhi2p (2002) 3.25/0.82
underhi2p (2005) 3.25/ 0.10
Tom Servo 8.13/ -3.87
Captrev : -0.88/ 1.69
SherryB -7.88/-4.41.
Spot -5.00/ -2.82
Rene -0.50/ / 2.31
Judy 2.00 / 3.28
Bay -4.75/ -2.46
Samuel Adams: 4.88/ -0.15
roserose 0.50/-2.00
Sandman -1.38/-4.36
Innocent -4.13/-5.79
If you like you can reserve "conservative" for a certain number right and beyond.
Mykes 4.62 /-3.64
A Vandelay. +.38 /-2.0
A Vandelay -1.38/ -1.69
Bruce MO +3.13 / +2.92
Hunin - 7.00 /- 5.50
Coco -5.00 / - 4.62
F.B. +2.38 / +2.31
FriendJudy -2.00/ -4.31
FriendJudy (07/13/05) -2.38/ -3.90
FriendJudy (03/07) -2.63/ -4.97
SNK AKA Nomarchy - 6.63 // -7.54
Nomarchy (02/18/2004) -7.12/-6.15
Nomarchy -5.75/-7.03
Nomarch (07/05) -5.63/-6.26
Nomarchy(07/13/05) -5.50/-5.90
Nomarch (03/07) -4.25/ -5.13
T.J. -1.64// +6.63
Skrip - 5.80 // -6.31
Human Ills - 0.38 // +0.51
Robhugh (LP) +0.25 // +1.54
Lord P -0.75 / 0.00
Justme +1.88 // +0.82
Pat - 4.38 // - 5.18
GTEssex 0.00/1.79
GT (02/2006) 0.63/1.13
Frank N.J. - 4.63 // -2.82
Nannie - 5.13 // - 4.46
Rainman +2.25 // -1.28
Miz(headhunter )-5.25/-2.72
Miz -1.13/-2.46
cal wurden +8.00 / -3.74
CFKane -5.12/-7.13
Space Cowboy -1.50 / -4.62
CharlieRay -6.12/-2.05
member -5.38 / 3.23.
Myrmidon -1.50 / -2.92
tvelection -4.12/-4.92,
WorkerBee -4.62 / -3.69
Bee -4.88/-4.26
desertlioness -5.88 /-1.64
istt 1.62/-1.23
veganryon -3.3 / -2.51
veganryon (02/18/2004) -3.88 / -1.8
DeKazz -6.12 / -7.33
Thor's day Child 2.75/ -0.15
breezy 0.38/-3.8
4Ward -2.25/-2.77
Rocco Rosano -2.12 / -3.49
Rocco Rosano (03/07) -3.88/ -2.51
MKRILEY -8.00/-6.00
Big -2.25 / 2.41
Bart Katz 1.88/ 2.77
G.G. -2.38 /-3.28
DARBYMAN -5.4/ -4.5
rustyfeasel -5.12 /-7.85
manofsteelbeams 2.25/1.85
celt -6.38/ -4.26
celt (03/07? eh?) -6.38/-4.26
Bix -8.88/ -6.21
Bix (02/2006) -9.00/ -7.59
Nunyadb -2.75/1.64
arebuntz 9.13/ -4.92
beasty -1.13/ -1.12
Speedy (SRX) -1.13/ -2.77
underhi2p (2002) 3.25/0.82
underhi2p (2005) 3.25/ 0.10
Tom Servo 8.13/ -3.87
Captrev : -0.88/ 1.69
SherryB -7.88/-4.41.
Spot -5.00/ -2.82
Rene -0.50/ / 2.31
Judy 2.00 / 3.28
Bay -4.75/ -2.46
Samuel Adams: 4.88/ -0.15
roserose 0.50/-2.00
Sandman -1.38/-4.36
Innocent -4.13/-5.79
I whupped Sammy's butt!!.....tovarich....... 
QUOTE(Tom Servo @ Mar 14 2007, 10:22 PM) [snapback]289254[/snapback]
I whupped Sammy's butt!!.....tovarich.......
ooohhh. Too much info.
Where does Ron Paul come in? The PC people rate GW and Kerry in the near upper right quadrant. how far away from RP does that leave them?
Nobody but Dr. Paul can speak for himself.
The smart money bets on him landing in the lower right quadrant.
The smart money bets on him landing in the lower right quadrant.
Closer to center than Bednarik, or in the right-field bleachers?
Just a click or two south of Milton Friedman.
But still LBJ compared to the pug.
But still LBJ compared to the pug.
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Mar 14 2007, 10:12 AM) [snapback]289145[/snapback]
Nomarchy (03/07) -4.25/ -5.13
Innocent -4.13/-5.79
Is that close or what?
QUOTE(Tom Servo @ Mar 15 2007, 01:55 AM) [snapback]289268[/snapback]
Nobody but Dr. Paul can speak for himself.
The smart money bets on him landing in the lower right quadrant.
I have seen this before, but forget my score.
Where's the link to the test?
http://www.politicalcompass.org/
Most of us took the test and discussed the results. We've kept results going back to the old C-Span Community.
http://spannerbackup.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=307
Most of us took the test and discussed the results. We've kept results going back to the old C-Span Community.
http://spannerbackup.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=307
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ May 5 2007, 10:29 PM) [snapback]300394[/snapback]
http://www.politicalcompass.org/
Most of us took the test and discussed the results. We've kept results going back to the old C-Span Community.
http://spannerbackup.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=307
Here's me:
Economic Left/Right: -2.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.49
I think I ended up just to the left of center on the Economic because I have a big problem with Internationals and Big Corporations when they put profit ahead of people. However, the test doesn't give an option to disagree, and just choose to not shop there anymore. It seems to assume that the only option is Govt regulation.
A Vandelay. +.38 /-2.0
As I point out to people, the analysis is really interesting and explains a lot about the methodology and results. Bear in mind they aren't questions, but propositions. Part of what is measured is radical tendencies and not just political views.
As I point out to people, the analysis is really interesting and explains a lot about the methodology and results. Bear in mind they aren't questions, but propositions. Part of what is measured is radical tendencies and not just political views.
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ May 5 2007, 11:50 PM) [snapback]300424[/snapback]
A Vandelay. +.38 /-2.0
As I point out to people, the analysis is really interesting and explains a lot about the methodology and results. Bear in mind they aren't questions, but propositions. Part of what is measured is radical tendencies and not just political views.
Lord P - 0.75 / 0.00
Robhugh +0.25 / +1.54
I took it twice, once on the old C-Span as Robhugh
Moved a little left with time? On any given day it will shift a little. It's funny to see how moderate we righties are when compared to the folks in the lower left corner. The real radicals.
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ May 15 2007, 08:31 AM) [snapback]302133[/snapback]
Moved a little left with time? On any given day it will shift a little. It's funny to see how moderate we righties are when compared to the folks in the lower left corner. The real radicals.
I've been moving in the 'moderate' direction.
I don't know if that's necessarily good, though.
Oh well.
The Political Compass is a conglomerate of ideas and positions. I'm not sure what subtle shifts really mean. Could be anything. Generally I think radical views come from lack of consideration on an issue. Most things have some gray, or at least another view. If you can't see the other view at all maybe you aren't even trying. (not the you you, the we you)
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ May 16 2007, 02:03 AM) [snapback]302288[/snapback]
I've been moving in the 'moderate' direction.
I don't know if that's necessarily good, though.
Oh well.
Looks like I am moving faster away from you than you are heading towards the middle.
I don't know if that's necessarily a bad thing!
GT's 5/16/2007
Economic Left/Right: 3.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.79
GTEssex 0.00/1.79
GT (02/2006) 0.63/1.13
QUOTE(Tom Servo @ Mar 15 2007, 02:00 AM) [snapback]289270[/snapback]
Just a click or two south of Milton Friedman.
But still LBJ compared to the pug.
Easier to defend when having to watch only one flank...
QUOTE(arebuntz @ Jun 27 2007, 12:57 PM) [snapback]310785[/snapback]
Easier to defend when having to watch only one flank...
Good point, but even considerably left and down from you I still only have to defend one flank most of the time.
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jun 27 2007, 04:06 PM) [snapback]310790[/snapback]
Good point, but even considerably left and down from you I still only have to defend one flank most of the time.
I appreciate your being my outer bulwark...
Two l's in Bull.
QUOTE(arebuntz @ Jun 27 2007, 01:57 PM) [snapback]310785[/snapback]
Easier to defend when having to watch only one flank...
Who said anything about defending anything?
Forgotten about checking your premise??
QUOTE(Tom Servo @ Jun 30 2007, 01:54 PM) [snapback]311368[/snapback]
Who said anything about defending anything?
Forgotten about checking your premise??
You but the premise, you buy the bit....
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There is a strong movement underway to create a new North American “framework” that links the U.S., Mexico and Canada in ways that are a direct threat to the sovereignty of the United States. The centerpiece of current efforts is the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) -- a trilateral arrangement made without Congressional approval to facilitate economic, legal and political integration in this new North American “framework.”
Citizen Petition
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Don't screw up the chance to get Mexican Lorena Ochoa to play for the US Solheim Cup team this fall...
Did NAU agents set the charges in the World Trade Towers? Where is that roll of tin foil anyway, I feel a draft on my head...
Did NAU agents set the charges in the World Trade Towers? Where is that roll of tin foil anyway, I feel a draft on my head...
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You but the premise, you buy the bit....
So true!!
QUOTE (judy @ Feb 19 2007, 12:53 PM) 
Once upon a time, in the kitchen of a farmhouse, there lived a tiny, brownish-grey mouse. One day, looking through the crack in the wall the mouse watched as the farmer and his wife opened a package.
"I wonder what food the package might contain?" The mouse asked himself. He was devastated to discover it was a mousetrap.
Retreating to the farmyard, the mouse proclaimed the warning: "There is a mousetrap in the house! There is a mousetrap in the house!"
The chicken clucked and scratched searching for food. Raising her head, she turned to the mouse and said, "Mr. Mouse,I can tell this is a grave concern to you, but it is of no consequence to me. I cannot be bothered by it."
The mouse turned to the pig and told him, "There is a mousetrap in the house! There is a mousetrap in the house!"
The pig sympathized, but said, "I am so very sorry, Mr. Mouse, but there is nothing I can do about it but pray. Be assured you are in my prayers."
The mouse turned to the cow and said "There is a mousetrap in the house! There is a mousetrap in the house!"
The cow said, "Wow, Mr. Mouse. I'm sorry for you, but it's no skin off my nose."
So, the mouse returned to the house, head down and dejected, to face the farmer's mousetrap alone.
That very night a sound was heard throughout the house. It was the sound of a mousetrap catching its prey.
The farmer's wife rushed to see what was caught. In the darkness, she did not see that it was a venomous snake whose tail was being held fast by the trap. The snake bit the farmer's wife.
The farmer rushed her to the hospital, and she returned home with a fever.
Now, everyone knows you treat a fever with fresh chicken soup, so the farmer took his hatchet to the farmyard for the soup's main ingredient.
But his wife's sickness continued, so friends and neighbours came to sit with her around the clock. In order to feed them, the farmer butchered the pig.
Still the farmer's wife did not get well. One day; she died. So many people came for her funeral that the farmer had the cow slaughtered to provide enough meat for all of them.
All the poor little mouse could do was look upon it all from his crack in the wall with great sadness.
So, the next time you hear of someone who is facing a problem and think it doesn't concern you, remember -- when one of us is threatened, we are all at risk.
I fear B. Hussein Obama is the snake and can cause all of us great pain and anguish, should he be elected!
I get the feeling you don't like Senator Obama... I think he would do NC some good...
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