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SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jun 10 2007, 03:52 PM) [snapback]307435[/snapback]

Right now I'm listening to Russert with a couple. He is the perfect defender for Hillary. Just enough cred to head off any serious questioning, and he knows Hillary refuses tough interviews or to answer questions so things just go away. I wonder who the next Democrat to host MTP will be. Chelsea Clinton?

You'll notice Russert confines himself to the disputed quotes. Were they really the most newsworthy feature of the book?

What else did they say that is controversial?
Brian_Lambchops
I heard Bush could commute Libby's prison sentence without pardoning him. I think it was William Kristol. It's a half-measure a lot of people might not like, but considering the sentence it seemed like a fair thing to do, considering nobody else has been convicted on any underlying crime.
Davis 2.0
It doesn't matter if no one was convicted of the underlying crime. Libby committed perjury.
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(Brian_Lambchops @ Jun 10 2007, 05:36 PM) [snapback]307450[/snapback]

I heard Bush could commute Libby's prison sentence without pardoning him. I think it was William Kristol. It's a half-measure a lot of people might not like, but considering the sentence it seemed like a fair thing to do, considering nobody else has been convicted on any underlying crime.

Hu mentioned that on another thread maybe. It would be a compromise of sorts that would spare Libby, yet not deny a crime.

My perspective right now is that the traitorous buttfark Kristol ought not to be castigating the President until the judge rules on Libby's eligibility to stay out on bail during the appeal. Some supporter he is.

If the judge orders Libby to jail, then Bush needs to act (or not).

It's one thing to argue for Libby at this point, quite another to be calling Bush a coward, as Kristol has.

As LP said, wow!

Davis 2.0
How does Bush like people going for his throat? He's been at it for years, now his attack dogs are turning on him.
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Jun 10 2007, 01:54 PM) [snapback]307436[/snapback]

You'll notice Russert confines himself to the disputed quotes. Were they really the most newsworthy feature of the book?

What else did they say that is controversial?


Exactly. Confines himself to attacking them and avoiding any content injurious to her. I haven't read their book, but I know all too well how the pressure mounts on people who attack the Clintons, IF they can get any airtime at all. I suppose I should give credit to Russert for having them on at all, but his subtle bias bugs me on occassion. I guess he's about as good as it gets on the networks though.
Davis 2.0
Better than a douchebag like Tony Snow or John Gibson.
Davis 2.0
Judge won't delay Libby prison term

By MATT APUZZO, Associated Press Writer 48 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - A federal judge said Thursday he will not delay a 2 1/2-year prison sentence for I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby in the CIA leak case, a ruling that could send the former White House aide to prison within weeks.


U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton's decision will send Libby's attorneys rushing to an appeals court to block the sentence and could force President Bush to consider calls from Libby's supporters to pardon the former aide.

No date was set for Libby to report to prison but it's expected to be within six to eight weeks. That will be left up to the U.S. Bureau of Prisons, which will also select a facility.

"Unless the Court of Appeals overturns my ruling, he will have to report," Walton said.

Libby's wife, Harriet Grant, wiped tears away from her eyes but Libby was stoic as Walton ruled.

Libby, the former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, was convicted in March of lying to investigators and obstructing Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's inquiry into the 2003 leak of a CIA operative's identity.

Libby's supporters have called for President Bush to wipe away Libby's convictions. Bush publicly has sidestepped pardon questions, saying he wants to let the legal case play out. A delay would give Bush more time to consider the requests.

"Scooter Libby still has the right to appeal, and therefore the president will continue not to intervene in the judicial process," White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said. "The president feels terribly for Scooter, his wife and their young children, and all that they're going through."

Libby thanked federal marshals but did not take questions from reporters as he left the courthouse with his wife and lawyers. Fitzgerald also left without commenting.

Walton never appeared to waver from his opinion that a delay was unwarranted. After 12 prominent law professors filed documents supporting Libby's request, the judge waved it off as "not something I would expect from a first-year in law school."

He also said he received several "angry, harassing, mean-spirited" letters and phone calls following his sentencing but said they wouldn't factor into his decision.

Libby is the highest ranking government official ordered to prison since the Iran Contra affair. His monthlong trial offered a rare glimpse into the White House in the early days of the
Iraq war.

Trial testimony showed that Cheney was eager to beat back criticism of prewar intelligence. One of the administration's most outspoken critics in mid-2003 was former Ambassador Joseph Wilson.

Amid a flury of news coverage of that criticism, Bush administration officials leaked to reporters that fact that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, worked as an undercover analyst for CIA. That disclosure in a syndicated newspaper column touched off a leak investigation that brought senior White House officials, including Bush and Cheney, in for questioning.

Libby argued he had a good chance of persuading an appeals court that, when Attorney General
John Ashcroft and other senior Justice Department officials recused themselves from the leak investigation, they gave Fitzgerald unconstitutional and unchecked authority.

Walton was skeptical, saying the alternative was to put someone with White House ties in charge of an investigation into the highest levels of the Bush administration.

"If that's going to be how we have to operate, our system is going to be in serious trouble with the average Joe on the street who thinks the system is unfair already," Walton said.

Libby's newly formed appellate team — Lawrence S. Robbins and Mark Stancil — will seek an emergency order delaying the sentence. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit is not sitting right now, however, and attorneys worried about how fast the request would be heard.

The appeals court has several conservative jurists, but that doesn't necessarily mean Libby will get a pass. Walton is a Republican judge whom Bush put on the bench in his first term.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070614/ap_on_.../cia_leak_trial
inyerface
otherwise he'd be in Paraguay sipping margaritas with Kenny Boy Lay
Davis 2.0
I always figured Monaco.
Lord_Proprietor
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name='Davis 2.0' date='Jun 14 2007, 03:50 PM' post='308132']
Judge won't delay Libby prison term

By MATT APUZZO, Associated Press Writer 48 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - A federal judge said Thursday he will not delay a 2 1/2-year prison sentence for I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby in the CIA leak case, a ruling that could send the former White House aide to prison within weeks.
U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton's decision will send Libby's attorneys rushing to an appeals court to block the sentence and could force President Bush to consider calls from Libby's supporters to pardon the former aide.


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Another New Tone fumble - this judge was a black "plantation guy" (if you have listened and read) appointed by BJ during a recess of Congress and GWB, because he was black, reappointed and of course he was approved. So many of the black appointments are not good images for the hard working accomplished black citizens, i.e., the $50,000 pr. of pants judge in the news also. Thomas Sowell calls them democrat plantation appointments.

"Thomas Sowell (born 1930) is noted for his conservative views on social and economic issues. An African American author and economist, Sowell opposes such programs as affirmative action, busing, racial quotas, minimum wage, and welfare. He has drawn fire from liberals and a number of African Americanleaders, while generating applause from fellow conservatives."


It is quite obvious that Walton wants to get his points in by not allowing the appeal to come before incarceration.
Davis 2.0
Why do you think that? He's a Republican and a Bush appointee. He's not a Clintonista either.
Lord_Proprietor
QUOTE(Davis 2.0 @ Jun 14 2007, 05:32 PM) [snapback]308149[/snapback]

Why do you think that? He's a Republican and a Bush appointee. He's not a Clintonista either.



He was a temporary/recess appointment by BJ to this seat, and GWB reappointed him for the permanent appointment.
Davis 2.0
A Bush permanent appointment but a Clintonista mole!
hunin
QUOTE(Lord_Proprietor @ Jun 14 2007, 04:28 PM) [snapback]308148[/snapback]

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Another New Tone fumble - this judge was a black "plantation guy" (if you have listened and read) appointed by BJ during a recess of Congress and GWB, because he was black, reappointed and of course he was approved. So many of the black appointments are not good images for the hard working accomplished black citizens, i.e., the $50,000 pr. of pants judge in the news also. Thomas Sowell calls them democrat plantation appointments.

"Thomas Sowell (born 1930) is noted for his conservative views on social and economic issues. An African American author and economist, Sowell opposes such programs as affirmative action, busing, racial quotas, minimum wage, and welfare. He has drawn fire from liberals and a number of African Americanleaders, while generating applause from fellow conservatives."


It is quite obvious that Walton wants to get his points in by not allowing the appeal to come before incarceration.



No it's quite obvious you're a bigot.


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Judge Reggie B. Walton assumed his position as a United States District Judge for the District of Columbia on October 29, 2001, after being nominated to the position by President George W. Bush and confirmed by the United States Senate.

In May 2007, Chief Justice John Roberts appointed Judge Walton to serve as a Judge of the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, which is a 7-year appointment. Judge Walton was also appointed by President Bush in June of 2004 to serve as the Chairperson of the National Prison Rape Reduction Commission, a two-year commission created by the United States Congress that is tasked with the mission of identifying methods to curb the incidents of prison rape.

Former Chief Justice Rehnquist appointed Judge Walton to the federal judiciary's Criminal Law Committee, effective October 1, 2005. Judge Walton previously served as an Associate Judge of the Superior Court of the District of Columbia from 1981 to 1989 and 1991 to 2001, having been appointed to that position by Presidents Ronald Reagan in 1981 and George H. W. Bush in 1991.

While serving on the Superior Court, Judge Walton was the court's Presiding Judge of the Family Division, Presiding Judge of the Domestic Violence Unit and Deputy Presiding Judge of the Criminal Division. Between 1989 and 1991, Judge Walton served as President George H. W. Bush's Associate Director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy in the Executive Office of the President and as President Bush's Senior White House Advisor for Crime....



http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/walton-bio.html

IOW you're a bigoted idiot.
hunin
QUOTE(Davis 2.0 @ Jun 14 2007, 08:14 PM) [snapback]308215[/snapback]

A Bush permanent appointment but a Clintonista mole!


Heh, They're everywhere.

Walton's black, you know. Plantation type.


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WASHINGTON — Years ago, when campaigns were drowning in political rhetoric on the crime issue, I got The Washington Post to reassign me temporarily to the District of Columbia courthouse so I could learn from front-line law enforcement people what worked — and what didn’t — to keep the streets safe.

One of my mentors was Reggie Walton, then a trial court judge in the District, later elevated to the federal bench, and now in the news as the man who presided over I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby’s trial and last week sentenced Vice President Cheney’s former top aide to 30 months in prison.

Walton was — and is — no coddler of criminals. But as I heard him tell many a defendant who stood before him in the old days, his guiding principle is always to teach a lesson about the consequences of life choices. Growing up, Walton himself had plenty of temptations to live on the other side of the law. After he became a judge, he spent countless hours visiting schools in the blighted neighborhoods of Washington, telling teenagers the vital importance of building internal defenses against the lures of “the easy way.” When he had first-time offenders in front of him for sentencing, he regularly spurned their pleas for probation, telling them that they had to understand the seriousness of their crimes — and that he hoped their time in jail would give them the opportunity to ponder that lesson.

Now, many conservatives are up in arms about Walton “throwing the book” at Libby. Part of their criticism is based on their belief that Libby’s long and effective government service — attested to by former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and a host of other worthies — should mitigate whatever errors in judgment he made in this case.

Their bigger complaint is that the White House official’s conviction on felony counts of lying and obstruction of justice was a byproduct of a “leak” investigation that itself was unnecessary.

Special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald learned soon after taking the job that Richard Armitage, a high State Department official, and presidential assistant Karl Rove were the sources columnist Robert Novak used in identifying CIA employee Valerie Plame Wilson’s role in her husband’s covert mission that ultimately challenged the Bush administration’s rationale for war with Iraq.

Armitage made his confession immediately, and Rove — after repeated trips to the grand jury — told a version of his own story that persuaded Fitzgerald not to indict him.

Despite the absence of any underlying crime, Fitzgerald filed charges against Libby for denying to the FBI and the grand jury that he had discussed the Wilson case with reporters. Libby was convicted on the testimony of reporters from NBC, The New York Times and Time magazine — a further provocation to conservatives....



Nonetheless, on the fundamental point, Walton and Fitzgerald have it right. Libby let his loyalty to his boss and to the administration cloud his judgment — and perhaps his memory — in denying that he was part of the effort to discredit the Wilson pair. Lying to a grand jury is serious business, especially when it is done by a person occupying a high government position where the public trust is at stake.

Knowing Judge Walton a bit, I was certain that he would never be party to allowing a big shot to get off more easily than any of the two-bit bad guys who used to show up in his courtroom for sentencing. When he goes to his next school session, he wants to be able to tell those young people that “no one is above the law,” and mean it. You see, Walton is not just in the business of enforcing the law. He is also committed to steering youths in the right direction. This case will help.



http://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps/pbcs....N/70609029/1049

Arturo_Vandelay
Some commentary on Broder, that shows the feeling of entitlement the left has over the media.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/5/4/17317/33720

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BRODER: . . . This first letter from Minnesota challenges the conventional wisdom by asserting that the country overwhelmingly supports the liberal agenda, both at home and abroad. I have to disagree. I think the country is closely balanced, with a controlling group in the center that rejects extreme positions and seeks practical solutions drawn from the agendas of both liberals and conservatives. Most Americans I meet are not ideologues of any sort; they are practical people seeking practical solutions to real challenges.




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Broder Is Not a Liberal But Plays One On TV (none / 0) (#6)
by john horse on Fri May 04, 2007 at 05:51:54 PM EST
Given all the ways Bush has screwed the country over I keep waiting for Broder to say about Bush something like what he said about Clinton "He trashed the place up".

Instead time after time Broder keeps giving Bush a free pass.

Eric Alterman was right about the mainstream media. There is a bias in the press against liberals rather than in their favor. Take David Broder for example. He long ago stopped being a liberal yet he plays one on
tv.
hunin
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jun 15 2007, 06:42 PM) [snapback]308360[/snapback]

Some commentary on Broder, that shows the feeling of entitlement the left has over the media.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/5/4/17317/33720
tv.


BS.

Broder is right.

And LP is a bigoted idiot.
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(hunin @ Jun 15 2007, 05:08 PM) [snapback]308367[/snapback]


BS.

Broder is right.


Liberal, not leftist. The folks at talk-left are probably out in the left field parking lot as opposed to somebody like Broder. They feel betrayed if the media doesn't toe a line.
Lord_Proprietor
QUOTE(hunin @ Jun 15 2007, 07:04 PM) [snapback]308357[/snapback]

No it's quite obvious you're a bigot.

http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/walton-bio.html

IOW you're a bigoted idiot.



RR got the ball rolling and GHWB also advanced him and then Clinton made the recess, temporary appointment (not included in his bio) to the court he now sits on and GWB made the permanent appointment which was then passed by the senate.
hunin
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jun 15 2007, 07:14 PM) [snapback]308369[/snapback]

Liberal, not leftist. The folks at talk-left are probably out in the left field parking lot as opposed to somebody like Broder. They feel betrayed if the media doesn't toe a line.



He's about as centrist as they come. Objectivist really.

Did he say anything about Walton you refute. Is he from the Plantation Bandits crew?

Deal with what he said.


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QUOTE(Lord_Proprietor @ Jun 15 2007, 07:31 PM) [snapback]308374[/snapback]

RR got the ball rolling and GHWB also advanced him and then Clinton made the recess, temporary appointment (not included in his bio) to the court he now sits on and GWB made the permanent appointment which was then passed by the senate.


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RR got the ball rolling.
Right.

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GHWB also advanced him
Right.


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and then Clinton made the recess, temporary appointment (not included in his bio)
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Prove it.

You're wrong and your bigotry shines thru.

As odd is it may seem, a black GOPer. Plantation?

Reflect on your bias. Heal thyself.

Time is short.
Lord_Proprietor
QUOTE(hunin @ Jun 15 2007, 09:01 PM) [snapback]308378[/snapback]

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You're wrong and your bigotry shines thru.

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If I'm a bigot you're a traitor!

And I don't believe I've ever chatted with anyone so "race conscious" as you, Hunin, what is your problem, latent items in your background? You appear to see/read race into any situation whether factual or general conversation! IMO that shows a lack of respect for those not of your race or creed.
hunin
No, it's you who sees race in everything.

You prove it time after time.



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...this judge was a black "plantation guy"....
Davis 2.0
<shakes head>
Friend Judy
davis, I think LP honestly doesn't recognize himself as a bigot.
Davis 2.0
You don't have to tell me. My dad watched Archie Bunker because he could relate to him, not because he was a characature of bigots. I am familiar with them. But dad's changed, thanks to a couple of black friends of mine.

That's why I just <shakes head>.
Brian_Lambchops
The ones that complain about house niggers and oreos are always the first to cry racism. As if wanting more welfare payments and government programs was really caring.
hunin
Riiiiiiight.


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...this judge was a black "plantation guy" ....
Davis 2.0
lol. That was just pathetic. Anyone who has read any of LPs posts knows or should know he's a bigot.

It's leebral's fault!!


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Bee
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Op-Ed Columnist
TimesSelect

Scooter’s Sopranos Go to the Mattresses


By FRANK RICH
Published: June 17, 2007

AS a weary nation awaited the fade-out of "The Sopranos" last Sunday, the widow of the actual Mafia don John Gotti visited his tomb in Queens to observe the fifth anniversary of his death. Victoria Gotti was not pleased to find reporters lying in wait.


"It's disgusting that people are still obsessed with Gotti and the mob," she told The Daily News. "They should be obsessed with that mob in Washington. They have 3,000 deaths on their hands." She demanded to know if the president and vice president have relatives on the front lines. "Every time I watch the news and I hear of another death," she said, "it sickens me."

Far be it from me to cross any member of the Gotti family, but there's nothing wrong with being obsessed with both mobs. Now that the approval rating for the entire Washington franchise, the president and Congress alike, has plummeted into the 20s, we need any distraction we can get; the Mafia is a welcome nostalgic escape from a gridlocked government at home and epic violence abroad.

But unlikely moral arbiter that Mrs. Gotti may be, she does have a point. As the Iraq war careens toward a denouement as black, unresolved and terrifying as David Chase's inspired "Sopranos" finale, the mob in the capital deserves at least equal attention. John Gotti, the last don, is dead. Mr. Chase's series is over. But the deaths on the nightly news are coming as fast as ever.

True, the Washington mob isn't as sexy as the Gotti or Soprano clans, but there is now a gripping nonfiction dramatization of its machinations available gratis on the Internet, no HBO subscription required. For this we can thank U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton, who presided over the Scooter Libby trial. Judge Walton's greatest move was not the 30-month sentence he gave Mr. Libby, a fall guy for higher-ups (and certain to be pardoned to protect their secrets). It was instead the judge's decision to make public the testimonials written to the court by members of the Washington establishment pleading that a criminal convicted on four felony counts be set free.

Mr. Libby's lawyers argued that these letters should remain locked away on the hilarious grounds that they might be "discussed, even mocked, by bloggers." And apparently many of the correspondents assumed that their missives would remain private, just like all other documents pertaining to Mr. Libby's former boss, Dick Cheney. The result is very little self-censorship among the authors and an epistolary gold mine for readers.

Among those contributing to the 373 pages of what thesmokinggun.com calls "Scooter Libby Love Letters" are self-identified liberals and Democrats, a few journalists (including a contributing writer to The New York Times Magazine) and a goodly sample of those who presided over the Iraq catastrophe or cheered it on. This is a documentary snapshot of the elite Washington mob of our time.

Like the scripts for "The Sopranos," the letters are not without mordant laughs. Henry Kissinger writes a perfunctory two paragraphs, of which the one about Mr. Libby rather than himself seems an afterthought. James Carville co-signs a letter by Mary Matalin tediously detailing Mr. Libby's devotion to organizing trick-or-treat festivities for administration children spending a post-9/11 Halloween at an "undisclosed location." One correspondent writes in astonishment that Mr. Libby once helped "a neighbor who is a staunch Democrat" dig his car out of the snow, and another is in awe that Mr. Libby would "personally buy his son a gift rather than passing the task on to his wife." Many praise Mr. Libby's novel, "The Apprentice," apparently on the principle that an overwritten slab of published fiction might legitimize the short stories he fabricated freelance for a grand jury.

But what makes these letters rise above inanity is the portrait they provide of a wartime capital cut adrift from moral bearings. As the political historian Rick Perlstein has written, one of the recurrent themes of these pleas for mercy is that Mr. Libby perjured himself "only because he was so busy protecting us from Armageddon." Has there ever been a government leader convicted of a crime — and I don't mean only Americans — who didn't see himself as saving the world from the enemy?

The Libby supporters never acknowledge the undisputed fact that their hero, a lawyer by profession, leaked classified information about a covert C.I.A. officer. And that he did so not accidentally but to try to silence an administration critic who called attention to the White House's prewar lies about W.M.D. intelligence. And that he compounded the original lies by lying repeatedly to investigators pursuing an inquiry that without his interference might have nailed others now known to have also leaked Valerie Wilson's identity (Richard Armitage, Karl Rove, Ari Fleischer).

Much has been said about the hypocrisy of those on the right, champions both of Bill Clinton's impeachment and of unflinching immigration enforcement, who call for legal amnesty in Mr. Libby's case. To thicken their exquisite bind, these selective sticklers for strict justice have been foiled in their usual drill of attacking the judge in the case as "liberal." Judge Walton was initially appointed to the bench by Ronald Reagan and was elevated to his present job by the current President Bush; he was assigned as well to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court by the Bush-appointed chief justice, John Roberts. Such credentials notwithstanding, Judge Walton told the court on Thursday that he was alarmed by new correspondence and phone calls from the Libby mob since the sentencing "wishing bad things" on him and his family.

In Washington, however, hypocrisy is a perennial crime in both parties; if all the city's hypocrites were put in jail, there would be no one left to run the government. What is more striking about the Libby love letters is how nearly all of them ignore the reality that the crime of lying under oath is at the heart of the case. That issue simply isn't on these letter writers' radar screen; the criminal act of perjury isn't addressed (unless it's ascribed to memory loss because Mr. Libby was so darn busy saving the world). Given that Mr. Libby expressed no contrition in court after being convicted, you'd think some of his defenders might step into that moral vacuum to speak for him. But there's been so much lying surrounding this war from the start that everyone is inured to it by now. In Washington, lying no longer registers as an offense against the rule of law.

Instead the letter writers repeat tirelessly that Mr. Libby is a victim, suffering "permanent damage" to his reputation, family and career in the typical judgment of Kenneth Adelman, the foreign-policy thinker who predicted a "cakewalk" for America in Iraq. There's a whole lot of projection going on, because to judge from these letters, those who drummed up this war think of themselves as victims too. In his letter, the disgraced Paul Wolfowitz sees his friend's case as an excuse to deflect his own culpability for the fiasco. He writes that "during the spring and summer of 2003, when some others were envisioning a prolonged American occupation," Mr. Libby "was a strong advocate for a more rapid build-up of the Iraqi Army and a more rapid transfer of sovereignty to the Iraqis, points on which history will prove him to have been prescient."

History will prove no such thing; a "rapid" buildup of the Iraqi Army was and is a mirage, and the neocons' chosen leader for an instant sovereign Iraq, Ahmad Chalabi, had no political following. But Mr. Wolfowitz's real point is to pin his own catastrophic blundering on L. Paul Bremer, the neocons' chosen scapegoat for a policy that was doomed with or without Mr. Bremer's incompetent execution of the American occupation.

Of all the Libby worshipers, the one most mocked in the blogosphere and beyond is Fouad Ajami, the Lebanese-American academic and war proponent who fantasized that a liberated Iraq would have a (positive) "contagion effect" on the region and that Americans would be greeted "in Baghdad and Basra with kites and boom boxes." (I guess it all depends on your definition of "boom boxes.") In an open letter to President Bush for The Wall Street Journal op-ed page on June 8, he embroidered his initial letter to Judge Walton, likening Mr. Libby to a "fallen soldier" in the Iraq war. In Mr. Ajami's view, Tim Russert (whose testimony contradicted Mr. Libby's) and the American system of justice are untrustworthy, and "the 'covertness' of Mrs. Wilson was never convincingly and fully established." (The C.I.A. confirmed her covert status in court documents filed in May.)

Mr. Ajami notes, accurately, that the trial was "about the Iraq war and its legitimacy" — an argument that could also be mustered by defenders of Alger Hiss who felt his perjury trial was about the cold war. But it's even more revealing that the only "casualty of a war" Mr. Ajami's conscience prompts him to mention is Mr. Libby, a figurative casualty rather than a literal one.

No wonder Victoria Gotti denigrated "that mob in Washington." When the godfathers of this war speak of never leaving "a fallen comrade" on the battlefield in Iraq, as Mr. Ajami writes of Mr. Libby, they are speaking first and foremost of one another. The soldiers still making the ultimate sacrifice for this gang's hubristic folly will just have to fend for themselves


It's getting pretty bad when the mafia shows more respect for the law then the administration. sad.gif
Davis 2.0
Hi bee. That's pretty sad.

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The Libby supporters never acknowledge the undisputed fact that their hero, a lawyer by profession, leaked classified information about a covert C.I.A. officer. And that he did so not accidentally but to try to silence an administration critic who called attention to the White House's prewar lies about W.M.D. intelligence. And that he compounded the original lies by lying repeatedly to investigators pursuing an inquiry that without his interference might have nailed others now known to have also leaked Valerie Wilson's identity (Richard Armitage, Karl Rove, Ari Fleischer).


hunin
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WASHINGTON -- The argument among Republicans over whether President Bush should grant Scooter Libby a quick pardon amounts to a battle between the past and the future.


The Republicans most eager to end the Libby case immediately are those who were most deeply invested in the Iraq War and were willing to do whatever was expedient to commit American troops to a venture they were certain would turn out well.


The Libby case put their generation on trial, to use Alistair Cooke's evocative phrase about a very different trial in an earlier age. The verdict against Libby was a verdict against them.


The Republicans with the gravest doubts are those who worry about the damage a pardon would cause their party by undercutting its oft-stated commitment to the rule of law.


Attitudes toward a pardon thus do not break down neatly along ideological lines. In the recent Republican presidential debate, for example, James Gilmore, the former Virginia governor and a down-the-line conservative, offered a flat ``no'' when asked if he would pardon Libby. ``I'm steeped in the law. I wouldn't do that,'' he added.


Gilmore elaborated on this view in an interview with the Los Angeles Times. ``If the public believes there's one law for a certain group of people in high places and another law for regular people, then you will destroy the law and destroy the system,'' he said.


But for those who advocated hard for the war, what matters is that Libby loyally did all he could to advance the effort and push back against its critics.


It was thus not surprising that one of the most ferocious calls for an immediate pardon came from William Kristol, the editor of The Weekly Standard who was one of the staunchest supporters of the Iraq invasion.


Responding to a White House statement that the president was, for the moment, declining to intervene in the case, Kristol declared: ``For President Bush, loyalty is apparently a one-way street; decency is something he's for as long as he doesn't have to take any risks in its behalf; and courage -- well, that's nowhere to be seen. Many of us used to respect President Bush. Can one respect him still?'' laugh.gif


Kristol's sharpness underscored the tribulations that Bush will face if Libby is required to go to prison while his appeal is pending. If Bush blocks prison time for Libby, either through a pardon or by commuting his sentence, the action would amount to the repudiation of a jury verdict -- and also of the decisions of federal Judge Reginald Walton, one of the president's appointees. Commuting Libby's sentence would not, as some have suggested, be a happy compromise because doing so would still involve setting aside a formal punishment on behalf of an administration favorite.


Yet if Bush allows Libby to go to prison, he will alienate his dwindling band of supporters, particularly those most vociferous in standing up for the administration's Iraq policies.


The Republican presidential candidates have two time frames: their need to win conservative support in the nomination battle now, and the general election imperative to break with what is looking like a discredited presidency. Taking a stand on a pardon forces an awkward and immediate choice between those objectives.
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Fred Thompson, whom many conservatives hope will enter the race, has been a leader of Libby's legal defense fund. Perhaps ironically for the man who plays a prosecutor on ``Law & Order,'' Thompson has unequivocally endorsed a pardon.


Thompson's clarity may pressure other Republicans to support a pardon -- Giuliani seemed almost there during the debate -- but their decisions would come at a high cost. At times, a single legal case can come to embody an entire controversy, even an entire era. To support pardoning Scooter Libby has come to mean endorsing an approach to politics and a way of governing that most Americans have come to reject.



http://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps/pbcs....N/70614032/1049
Davis 2.0
Aaaaaamen. Can I get an aaaaamen from the evangelicals?


I didn't think so.
Bee
The outrage when Paris Hilton was released should give these clowns a clue. People are fed up with the two-tiered justice system, and yes, it threatens our rule of law, indeed the country to pardon a criminal like Libby.

Loyalty to the President should never come before loyalty to one's country. The very idea is treasonous.
Davis 2.0
That would be the downside to Reagan's 11th commandment.
Lord_Proprietor
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Jun 16 2007, 10:52 AM) [snapback]308441[/snapback]

davis, I think LP honestly doesn't recognize himself as a bigot.



No one should be appointed to a position because of color; but because of competency in the area of the position to be held and administered.

To place someone in a position where he cannot perform is bigotry, IMO! As Thomas Sewell says, don't embarass his race by doing such appointments.

T.S., also said "We always hear about the haves and the have-nots. Why don't we hear about the doers and the do-nots." ohmy.gif
Lord_Proprietor
QUOTE(hunin @ Jun 16 2007, 12:11 PM) [snapback]308466[/snapback]

Riiiiiiight.





Hunin.


Remember the "Democrat Plantation" consist of black and white democrat slaves! You keep forgetting that. Do you do that on purpose or don't you understand the way the democrat world works in the "world of the poor"***?

***
I the USA, the "world of the poor" is a "voluntary community" where the gates are always open for people to leave and enter into a better world should they choose to do so.

Hunin, I suspect you have always lived in a world of "IL Academe atmospheric phenomena" with many of the laughing-boy type around you to insulate you from the real world. Right?
hunin
You have no evidence the judge is a Dem, bone-brain.

No evidence a Clinton appointee - because Bushie appointed him.


You have no ability to admit you're wrong. That's a bad trait.

Instead you cloak yourself in bigoted babble.
Lord_Proprietor
QUOTE(hunin @ Jun 17 2007, 01:07 PM) [snapback]308682[/snapback]

You have no evidence the judge is a Dem, bone-brain.

No evidence a Clinton appointee - because Bushie appointed him.


You have no ability to admit you're wrong. That's a bad trait.

Instead you cloak yourself in bigoted babble.



tongue.gif One track mind!
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Davis 2.0 @ Jun 17 2007, 10:06 AM) [snapback]308632[/snapback]

Aaaaaamen. Can I get an aaaaamen from the evangelicals?
I didn't think so.


They oughta give you sheit and shove you in it.
Nomarchy
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I the USA, the "world of the poor" is a "voluntary community" where the gates are always open for people to leave and enter into a better world should they choose to do so.

Hunin, I suspect you have always lived in a world of "IL Academe atmospheric phenomena" with many of the laughing-boy type around you to insulate you from the real world. Right?


Why don't you put a sock in it, you senile mother f arker?
Lord_Proprietor
Free Scooter Libby

Slate, by Christopher Hitchens


6/18/2007 11:41:14 AM


If Scooter Libby goes to jail, it will be because he made a telephone call to Tim Russert and because Tim Russert has a different recollection of the conversation. Can this really be the case? And why is such a nugatory issue a legal matter in the first place? Before savoring the full absurdity of the thing, please purge your mind of any preconceptions or confusions.


QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Jun 18 2007, 09:46 AM) [snapback]308850[/snapback]

Why don't you put a sock in it, you senile mother f arker?




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Arturo_Vandelay
I said from the start Reps are stupid to talk to Russert. They should boycott his ass like Dems do Fox. But media hog pols just can't help themselves.
Davis 2.0
Anyone read this pile o' crap?




The Runaway Train That Hit Scooter Libby
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By Richard Cohen
Tuesday, June 19, 2007; Page A17

The attorney general called a meeting. He assembled all the U.S. attorneys in the Great Hall of the Justice Department and told them, in essence, that their chief responsibility was to decide whom not to prosecute. They should limit themselves to cases "in which the offense is the most flagrant, the public harm the greatest" and play no role in political vendettas. The speaker, of course, was not the lamentable Alberto Gonzales but the estimable Robert H. Jackson, who went on to the Supreme Court. This was 1940, but Jackson could have been talking to Patrick J. Fitzgerald. Whatever the case, the special counsel was not listening.

With the sentencing of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Fitzgerald has apparently finished his work, which was, not to put too fine a point on it, to make a mountain out of a molehill. At the urging of the liberal press (especially the New York Times), he was appointed to look into a run-of-the-mill leak and wound up prosecuting not the leaker -- Richard Armitage of the State Department -- but Libby, convicted in the end of lying. This is not an entirely trivial matter since government officials should not lie to grand juries, but neither should they be called to account for practicing the dark art of politics. As with sex or real estate, it is often best to keep the lights off.


The upshot was a train wreck -- mile after mile of shame, infamy, embarrassment and occasional farce, all of it described in the forthcoming "Off the Record," a vigorously written account of what went wrong, by Norman Pearlstine, Time Inc.'s former editor in chief. The special counsel used the immense power of the government to jail Judith Miller and to compel other journalists, including Time's Matt Cooper, to suspend their various and sacred vows of silence just so they could, understandably, avoid jail. The press held itself up to mockery, wantonly promising confidentiality, anonymity -- what's the diff, anyway? -- and virtual life after death to anyone with a piece of gossip to peddle. Much heroic braying turned into cries for mercy as the government bore down. As any prosecutor knows -- and Martha Stewart can attest -- white-collar types tend to have a morbid fear of jail.

As Fitzgerald worked his wonders, threatening jail and going after government gossips with splendid pluck, many opponents of the Iraq war cheered. They thought -- if "thought" can be used in this context -- that if the thread was pulled on who had leaked the identity of Valerie Plame to Robert D. Novak, the effort to snooker an entire nation into war would unravel and this would show . . . who knows? Something. For some odd reason, the same people who were so appalled about government snooping, the USA Patriot Act and other such threats to civil liberties cheered as the special prosecutor weed-whacked the press, jailed a reporter and now will send a previously obscure government official to prison for 30 months.

This is precisely the sort of investigation that Jackson was warning about. It would not have been conducted if, say, the Iraq war had ended with 300 deaths and the mission had really been accomplished. An unpopular war produced the popular cry for scalps and, in Libby's case, the additional demand that he express contrition -- a vestigial Stalinist-era yearning for abasement. No one has yet explained, though, how Libby can express contrition and still appeal his conviction. No matter. Antiwar sanctimony excuses the inexplicable.

Accountability is one thing. By all means, let Congress investigate and conduct oversight hearings with relish and abandon. But a prosecution is a different matter. It entails the government at its most coercive -- a power so immense and sometimes so secretive that it poses much more of a threat to civil liberties, including freedom of the press, than anything in the interstices of the scary Patriot Act. The mere arrival of a form letter from the IRS will give any sane person a touch of angina.

I don't expect George Bush to appreciate this. He is the privileged son of a privileged son, and he fears nothing except, probably, doubt. But the rest of us ought to consider what Fitzgerald has wrought and whether we are better off for his efforts. I have come to hate the war and I cannot approve of lying under oath -- not by Scooter, not by Bill Clinton, not by anybody. But the underlying crime is absent, the sentence is excessive and the investigation should not have been conducted in the first place. This is a mess. Should Libby be pardoned? Maybe. Should his sentence be commuted? Definitely.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...id=opinionsbox1


Read the comments that follow. As of 7:22 this morning we have 23 pages of readers calling Cohen out for being an administration apologist and a douchebag. That is putting it kindly.
Lord_Proprietor
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jun 18 2007, 01:02 PM) [snapback]308876[/snapback]

I said from the start Reps are stupid to talk to Russert. They should boycott his ass like Dems do Fox. But media hog pols just can't help themselves.



fighting words


Free Scooter Libby

The case gets weirder by the day.

By Christopher Hitchens

Posted Monday, June 18, 2007, at 11:38 AM ET

If Scooter Libby goes to jail, it will be because he made a telephone call to Tim Russert and because Tim Russert has a different recollection of the conversation. Can this really be the case? And why is such a nugatory issue a legal matter in the first place?

Before savoring the full absurdity of the thing, please purge your mind of any preconceptions or confusions.

Mr. Libby was not charged with breaking the Intelligence Identities Protection Act.

Nobody was ever charged with breaking that law, designed to shield the names of covert agents. Indeed, the prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, determined that the law had not been broken in the first place.

The identity of the person who disclosed the name of Valerie Plame to Robert Novak—his name is Richard Armitage, incidentally—was known to those investigating the non-illegal leak before the full-dress inquiry began to grind its way through the system, incidentally imprisoning one reporter and consuming thousands of man hours of government time (and in time of war, at that).

In the other two "counts" in the case, both involving conversations with reporters (Judith Miller of the New York Times and Matthew Cooper of Time), Judge Reggie Walton threw out the Miller count while the jury found for Libby on the Cooper count.

The call to Russert was not about Plame in any case; it was a complaint from the vice president's office about Chris Matthews, who was felt by some to have been overstressing the Jewish names associated with the removal of Saddam Hussein. Russert was called in his capacity as bureau chief; any chitchat about Wilson and Plame was secondary.

The call was made after Robert Novak had put his fateful column (generated by Richard Armitage) on the wire, and after he had mentioned Plame's identity to Karl Rove.


Does it not seem extraordinary that a man can be prosecuted, and now be condemned to a long term of imprisonment, because of an alleged minor inconsistency of testimony in a case where it is admitted that there was no crime and no victim?

I know of a senior lawyer in Washington who is betting very good money that if the case is heard again on appeal, the conviction will be reversed. This is for three further reasons, which I call to your attention.

1) There is an important constitutional question regarding Fitzgerald's original jurisdiction. It is a rather nice legal question, having to do with whether, as U.S. attorney for the northern district of Illinois, Fitzgerald is a "principal" or "inferior" officer under the Appointments Clause of the U.S. Constitution. A dozen senior legal scholars have filed an amicus brief, arguing that the authority under which the original prosecutorial investigation was conducted was itself dubious. I have no expertise in this very important matter, but in granting them leave to file, Judge Walton made the following hair-raising comment, which I reproduce in full because it is longer than his order and needs to be read in full:

It is an impressive show of public service when twelve prominent and distinguished current and former law professors of well-respected schools are able to amass their collective wisdom in the course of only several days to provide their legal expertise to the Court on behalf of a criminal defendant. The Court trusts that this is a reflection of these eminent academics' willingness in the future to step to the plate and provide like assistance in cases involving any of the numerous litigants, both in this Court and throughout the courts of our nation, who lack the financial means to fully and properly articulate the merits of their legal positions even in instances where failure to do so could result in monetary penalties, incarceration, or worse. The Court will certainly not hesitate to call for such assistance from these luminaries, as necessary in the interests of justice and equity, whenever similar questions arise in the cases that come before it.


2) This low sarcasm displays not so much bias against the defendant, but actual animus. What does the number of days have to do with it? In how many cases involving poor defendants is an issue of constitutional law involved? Does the judge not know that Libby has already been almost ruined financially and faces incarceration? Would he have adopted the same tone if 12 experts ranging politically from Robert Bork to Alan Dershowitz had filed a brief arguing the opposite position? It's difficult to see how an appeals court can avoid these questions.

3) The judge refused to let the jury hear from a memory expert and would not admit much of the evidence about Libby's extremely heavy workload on matters of pressing national security. An amazing collection of testimonials has been prepared, from all points of the political compass, regarding particularly Libby's concern about inadequate troop levels in Iraq and his work in strengthening the country's defense against bio-warfare terrorism. It seems to some legal observers that the judge's exclusion of some of this exculpatory evidence was a payback for Libby's decision not to take the stand, which is his constitutionally protected right.

The rush to prejudge the case and pack Libby off to prison seems near universal. (Patrick Fitzgerald has denounced him for failing to show remorse; a strange charge to make against a man who has announced that he intends to appeal.) Given the unsoundness of the verdict, the extraordinary number of other witnesses who admitted to confusion over dates and times, and the essential triviality of the original matter (an apparently purposeless coverup of a nonleak, in private and legal conversations, involving common knowledge of information that was not known to be classified), it is unlikely that the verdict at present can stand scrutiny, let alone the sentence. But why go through all this irrelevant and secondhand hearsay again? Those who want to "get" someone for "lying us into war" have picked the wrong man and failed to identify a crime. Let them try to impeach the president, who should in the meantime step in to avoid any more waste of public money and time and pardon Libby without further ado.

Christopher Hitchens is a columnist for Vanity Fair
SpaceCowboy
The more lies I hear from Scooter's supporters, the less I'm inclined to see him pardoned.

The pardon movement has turned into a denial of the crime itself as Hitch does above.



That I won't support.
Davis 2.0
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Jun 19 2007, 09:43 AM) [snapback]309138[/snapback]

The more lies I hear from Scooter's supporters, the less I'm inclined to see him pardoned.

The pardon movement has turned into a denial of the crime itself as Hitch does above.
That I won't support.


It's friggin bizarre. I believe the justification comes from the Reagan era. They did it with Iran Contra (Ollie North, Poindexter) and they counted/still count those guys as loyal men. They didn''t squeal either. So why shouldn't Libby have the same reward? Later he'll get a legal advisor job with some conservative outfit. But the prospect of prison disturbs them. They've already condoned lawlessness and destroyed all accountability before. They just want to use a previously proven strategy. I'm sure it's an understanding. wink.gif


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If Scooter Libby goes to jail, it will be because he made a telephone call to Tim Russert and because Tim Russert has a different recollection of the conversation.


This is just crazy. The man was a lawyer. He knew full well what he was doing. This revisionist history doesn't work so well with current events that have been covered in detail.



Libby comes off looking like the Scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz. One minute he's stupid, brainless with no memory and the next he's spouting incredible details of advanced calculus and trig.

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And we're supposed to buy it.
inyerface
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And we're supposed to buy it.


loyalists do
Davis 2.0
They pretend to. They lie.
inyerface
but lying is all part of it

Faust says its good

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