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Human Ills
QUOTE(lil bart @ Mar 24 2005, 10:14 AM)
This is a painful and inadequate position. As Celtie gently alluded to yesterday (not so like him, those gentle allusions ... cool.gif ), in some countries a heavy dose of painkiller would quicken the process. There is something grotesque about "allowing" someone to "naturally" die of starvation and thirst, even if we are almost positive she cannot feel it. Almost positive. Almost positive.

If we were wholly positive, residual discomfiture would still lap against the horror of treading into manmade death.

There is just no good answer; that's the only answer I am wholly sure about.
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One answer would be to not make the decision. Feeding her isn't the same as making her heart beat for her.
lil bart
QUOTE(Human Ills @ Mar 24 2005, 10:20 AM)
One answer would be to not make the decision. Feeding her isn't the same as making her heart beat for her.
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I stand by my contention: there is no good answer. There might be a best but there is no good, and there sure is no easy.
Human Ills
QUOTE(lil bart @ Mar 24 2005, 10:25 AM)
I stand by my contention: there is no good answer. There might be a best but there is no good, and there sure is no easy.
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Then why not let those that love her the most make the decision?
lil bart
QUOTE(Human Ills @ Mar 24 2005, 10:28 AM)
Then why not let those that love her the most make the decision?
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The question as asked and answered in the courts is: why not let her?

I am commenting that there is little ease in so doing; maybe just the grace of God for whomever can find it.
Human Ills
QUOTE(lil bart @ Mar 24 2005, 10:44 AM)
The question as asked and answered in the courts is: why not let her?

I am commenting that there is little ease in so doing; maybe just the grace of God for whomever can find it.
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Is there any evidence that the husband is articulating his wifes wishes beyond testifying to that effect and being supported by his brother and his friends?







"is the beyotch dead yet?"
lil bart
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I actually did try to add a new comment this morning. I think it's time to be quiet.
Human Ills
QUOTE(lil bart @ Mar 24 2005, 10:51 AM)
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I actually did try to add a new comment this morning. I think it's time to be quiet.
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The new comment doesn't remove you from the old position.

It matters to me if the husbands behaviour was as she said it was. Considering that her wishes are only being expressed through him.
davis¹³
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Is there any evidence that the husband is articulating his wifes wishes beyond testifying to that effect and being supported by his brother and his friends?


That is what the courts have determined again and again. There isn't much more to say after that. As good old manosteel said once, and he regreted it ... "You either obey the law or you don't."

Republicans seem to only want to obey the law when it suits their agenda. Democrats have had their moments that's for sure ... but now, it's alllll Pubes!! They have a lock on everything.

It seems like rule of law has become a shifting sand depending on what the Republicans want.

*Torture is not permitted under the Geneva convention buuuut, the president has the authority ... sometimes.

*Assassination is illegal ... sort of.

*The fake news releases Bush inc put out were declared propaganda, but they say they aren't and they'll continue them.

*Bribery on the floor of the House? No problem. Everyone does it.

*DeLay? A whole chapter. A whole book.

*Hell, the Medicare bill was passed by Republicans lying to Republicans. WTF? They withheld cost estimates, threatening to fire the guy who wanted to release the info.


*The Valerie Plame outing.

It's one thing after another after another after another after another after another after another .

csh
Sequence of Dependence:

Corporations are non-voting entities allowed to profit under the Constitution
Politicians are voted into or out of office by constituents
The constituents are the workers and whereby employees of the corporations
The politician is to be the representative for the people.
When a Politician follows the dictates of a corporation and ignores the Safety and Welfare of the constituents the Politician is in violation of his oath of office and the Constitution.
When overt disregard for the constituents happens and the Politicians duty becomes submissive to the corporations. They are also then contributing to the enslavement of the workers their constituents to the corporation a non-voting entity.
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davis¹³

Tom DeLay Case File



Meet Rep. Tom DeLay (R-TX), the man Republicans have chosen as their Majority Leader in the House of Representatives.

Tom DeLay is at the center of a bewildering array of investigations into corruption, abuse of power, and ethics violations.

As the courts and committees investigate DeLay's misdeeds and hand down indictments, keeping track of all the scandals can be a full-time job. So we thought it would helpful to offer folks a quick and easy guide:

http://www.democrats.org/specialreports/de...file/index.html


Nancy, Jesse, and Josh
The DNC Internet Team
lil bart
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Apr 1 2005, 06:35 AM)
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http://www.democrats.org/specialreports/de...file/index.html
Nancy, Jesse, and Josh
The DNC Internet Team
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Are these the MoveOn people, or have they taken the same (first-name) tack? It's so high-school. It's so "we are the world."

I don't trust it anymore than you do ... well, those that you don't trust, davey-do.

I've spent the same aeons watching the same types in places like Portland.

davis¹³
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Are these the MoveOn people, or have they taken the same (first-name) tack?


What do you want? Mr. Johnson and Mrs. Haddison of The DNC Internet Team?
lil bart
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Apr 3 2005, 05:45 AM)
What do you want? Mr. Johnson and Mrs. Haddison of The DNC Internet Team?
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Fred Johnson and Myrna Haddison. These aren't little friends with whom we're all, and need only to be, on a first-name basis.

But it is the MoveOn tack, and the question as to whether they're the same people, or from the same organization, is a good one. And, if so, some will like it. And some will not.

I'm not fond of the first-name faux-friendlies in any case.

Do we know these people?
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celtcahill
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It's one thing after another after another after another after another after


This is SO good..smile.gif
Arturo_Vandelay
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/emaf.nsf/...6256FCD0070E70E

Five charged with vote fraud in East St. Louis

Post-Dispatch
Wednesday, Mar. 23 2005

Five people, including the head of the East St. Louis Democratic central
committee, were named today in a federal indictment alleging voter fraud in
2004.

The indictment says the five took part in a conspiracy to pay voters for their
votes in the Nov. 2, 2004, general election.

Named in the indictment are Charles Powell Jr., head of the city's Democratic
committee, along with Jesse Lewis, Sheila Thomas and Kelvin Ellis, Democratic
precinct committeemen, and Yvette Johnson, a precinct worker.

Ronald J. Tenpas, U.S. Attorney for southern Illinois, also announced that four
people -- Leroy Scott Jr., Lillie Nichols, Terrance Stith and Sandra Stith --
had pleaded guilty to paying voters in the November 2004 general election at
the direction of Powell.

Sentencing for those four was set for June 3. Each faces a possible sentence
of five years in prison and a fine up to $250,000.

"Fair elections depend on voters selecting candidates for the quality of their
ideas and the qualifications they present," Tenpas said in a statement. "When
voters are paid for their votes, our democracy is corrupted in fundamental
ways, and corrupted to the detriment of all."

For more on this story, check back with STLtoday.com or read Thursday's
Post-Dispatch.
lil bart
Keywords prob'ly: East St. Louis. rolleyes.gif

Speaking of voter fraud, someone called out "Governor" Gregoire as an ingrate for getting elected in part by dead people and then turning on them with her new estate tax. Snortle.
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(lil bart @ Apr 3 2005, 09:06 PM)
Keywords prob'ly: East St. Louis. rolleyes.gif

Speaking of voter fraud, someone called out "Governor" Gregoire as an ingrate for getting elected in part by dead people and then turning on them with her new estate tax. Snortle.
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Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(lil bart @ Apr 3 2005, 08:06 PM)
Keywords prob'ly: East St. Louis. rolleyes.gif

Speaking of voter fraud, someone called out "Governor" Gregoire as an ingrate for getting elected in part by dead people and then turning on them with her new estate tax. Snortle.
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smile.gif I wonder if it's as inefficient as the Federal version?
lil bart
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Apr 3 2005, 07:24 PM)
smile.gif  I wonder if it's as inefficient as the Federal version?
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Dunno. She campaigned as a "fiscal conservative." I ain't laffin'. She's brought out a whole bag of little tax tricks -- apparently seeing with Democrats in both houses she can run with them. None are a "general tax" and many are regressive. The latest one I read of this morning was a tax on Spam The Canned Meat.

It is exactly what I always say it is, exactly why I hate her and the horseys she rode in on: their enormous state bureaucracies.

Schools/teachers/govt. unions being the way lion's share of projected beneficiaries.
celtcahill
I have a good freind there whose career was ended by the cuts in car license fees that supported road construction. Now he's on the public weal. Costs the state more than it cost to build the roads likely, and where they got the benefit of his taxes on his wages and the road, now they get the curse of his direct drain and the beaurocracy it takes to support it, and no roads either. Tax money spent is not necesarily as wasteful as the supposed savings not taxing would have you to think.

There is a price either way.
lil bart
QUOTE(celtcahill @ Apr 3 2005, 08:31 PM)
I have a good freind there whose career was ended by the cuts in car license fees that supported road construction.  Now he's on the public weal.  Costs the state more than it cost to build the roads likely, and where they got the benefit of his taxes on his wages and the road, now they get the curse of his direct drain and the beaurocracy it takes to support it, and no roads either.  Tax money spent is not necesarily as wasteful as the supposed savings not taxing would have you to think.

There is a price either way.
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Arebuntz sez you don't discuss Washington roads in polite company. Unlike most taxes, the car license fee + road money makes logical sense. The way it was collected and spent, unfortunately, didn't. The roads are terrible.

This new batch of taxes is designed for "lower class sizes" (boondoggle) and state employee (I will never use the term, in this context, "worker") pensions and assorted crappola.

By your logic above, everyone should be a government employee so you could keep taxing them. huh.gif

The fewer government parasites the better -- especially in k-12 schools.
celtcahill
" Arebuntz sez you don't discuss Washington roads in polite company."

Drive through Austin to San Antonio and back through Austin once and I garuntee you that going from Port Angeles to Puyallup to Bellingham and back the same way won't look so bad.


" The fewer government parasites the better -- especially in k-12 schools. "

By Arebuntz' account all those employees are guvamint - and federal guvamint at that.

'Parasites'

You do get over the top on this subject, darlin'.
Arturo_Vandelay
Just build more roads whether you need them or not. Then roadbuilders never get laid off and get forced to get a job building something somebody needs.
lil bart
QUOTE(celtcahill @ Apr 3 2005, 08:44 PM)
" Arebuntz sez you don't discuss Washington roads in polite company."

Drive through Austin to San Antonio and back through Austin once and I garuntee you that going from Port Angeles to Puyallup to Bellingham and back the same way won't look so bad.
" The fewer government parasites the better -- especially in k-12 schools. "

By Arebuntz' account all those employees are guvamint - and federal guvamint at that.

'Parasites'

You do get over the top on this subject, darlin'.
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Speakin' o' roads, they done drove me here. laugh.gif

QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Apr 3 2005, 08:45 PM)
Just build more roads whether you need them or not. Then roadbuilders never get laid off and get forced to get a job  building  something somebody needs.
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So they can pay taxes. rolleyes.gif Somehow I don't think that's a net win.

The roads here are pretty lousy, Celt, from my view. They may well be worse in Texas -- buy you guys pay few taxes and we pay a ton.

I voted for Tim Eyeman's measure on my way out of the state a few years back. States like Washington deserve guys like Tim Eyeman and his badly written initiatives -- that at least attempt what the legislature perpetually neglects.
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Apr 3 2005, 09:45 PM)
Just build more roads whether you need them or not. Then roadbuilders never get laid off and get forced to get a job  building  something somebody needs.
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Let's create some public work projects, and use unskilled labor and cheap materials so the stuff will fall apart in 10-20 years. Oops. I think they already did that.
lil bart
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Apr 3 2005, 08:52 PM)
Let's create some public work projects, and use unskilled labor and cheap materials so the stuff will fall apart in 10-20 years.  Oops. I think they already did that.
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I've got it! Let's create some make-work and use extremely expensive, highly unionized, unfireable, fatly-benefitted labor, along with materials on the budget plan of rocketship coffee pots.

Oops -- we're doing that. laugh.gif
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Apr 3 2005, 08:52 PM)
Let's create some public work projects, and use unskilled labor and cheap materials so the stuff will fall apart in 10-20 years.  Oops. I think they already did that.
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The planning here is so bad they have to tear things up before they wear out anyway. It's gotten a bit better since we dumped the Dem mayor and one Dem council person, so we have a tiny bit of balance. 5-2

But this place is just too popular and we can't keep up with the growth.
celtcahill
" They may well be worse in Texas -- buy you guys pay few taxes and we pay a ton. "

We pay less, likely, than you, but we also have a much larger class of ' nickle and dimed' people.

This creates problems beyond any savings too. And creates problems attracting industries that cannot tolerate them. Microsoft moved to Washington instead of Austin, Dallas, Houston or San Antonio, and these were some of the reasons.

As av notes where he's at, this corridor from Austin through San Antonio is just too popular and the best road planning on earth wouldn't overcome a State system that designs in one year, budgets two or three years later, and releases the money two or three years after that.
Roads failing to do thier job even before they are built, and take two or three or more years to complete.

The stretch in question has by my personal observation, been under construction since I drove it going to PA school at Ft Sam Houston in 1981, and has been continuously under construction since. I went to conference in San Antonio last November and stupidly drove the route coming back, and I swear it was the same exact construction project separated by twenty + years, and with three times the traffic.

lil bart
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The stretch in question has by my personal observation, been under construction since I drove it going to PA school at Ft Sam Houston in 1981, and has been continuously under construction since. I went to conference in San Antonio last November and stupidly drove the route coming back, and I swear it was the same exact construction project separated by twenty + years, and with three times the traffic.


Hasn't road maintenance become nearly a permanent activity?

Plenty of nickel-and-dimed people up here; better welfare. I'm living in a fairly poor county, do note. Ain't no Microsoft here.

Worst thing is the trickle down of state apparatchiks from the next county/town up. That might jes' ruin the place.
Bart Katz
QUOTE(lil bart @ Apr 3 2005, 10:46 PM)
Hasn't road maintenance become nearly a permanent activity?

Plenty of nickel-and-dimed people up here; better welfare. I'm living in a fairly poor county, do note. Ain't no Microsoft here.

Worst thing is the trickle down of state apparatchiks from the next county/town up. That might jes' ruin the place.
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There are projects to make 4 lane roads where there were two lane roads, that I've personally seen in "progress" for 30 years or more. Some are US highways and others, major state routes. From the TN,GA line all across AL and across MS, there are still two lane stretches of road with visions of 4 lane dirt that's been washing away over time. Now they talk about some I corridor for the last 10 years. It would go from around Memphis to Atlanta. 10 years now and they can't even decide the route it would take.
lil bart
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Apr 3 2005, 09:50 PM)
There are projects to make 4 lane roads where there were two lane roads, that I've personally seen in "progress" for 30 years or more.  Some are US highways and others, major state routes.  From the TN,GA line all across AL and across MS, there are still two lane stretches of road with visions of 4 lane dirt that's been washing away over time.  Now they talk about some I corridor for the last 10 years. It would go from around Memphis to Atlanta.  10 years now and they can't even decide the route it would take.
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They need another study. rolleyes.gif laugh.gif

You're skeerin' me. Some peeps want to widen I-5 hereabouts. Seattle's road and transit projects are costing gazillions.
Bart Katz
QUOTE(lil bart @ Apr 3 2005, 11:05 PM)
They need another study.  rolleyes.gif  laugh.gif

You're skeerin' me. Some peeps want to widen I-5 hereabouts. Seattle's road and transit projects are costing gazillions.
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I was trying to figger it out so as to buy some woodsy property and the sell it to the state for the road right of way.
Bart Katz
They had corridor H, I, and J. I have no idea what happened to corridors A through G.
Arturo_Vandelay
Here they spent millions to turn two lanes into one, with a turn lane into open desert. Makes a nice bottleneck between two streteches of two lane.
Nomarchy
QUOTE(lil bart @ Apr 3 2005, 07:27 PM)
Dunno. She campaigned as a "fiscal conservative." I ain't laffin'. She's brought out a whole bag of little tax tricks -- apparently seeing with Democrats in both houses she can run with them. None are a "general tax" and many are regressive. The latest one I read of this morning was a tax on Spam The Canned Meat.

It is exactly what I always say it is, exactly why I hate her and the horseys she rode in on: their enormous state bureaucracies.

Schools/teachers/govt. unions being the way lion's share of projected beneficiaries.
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Stop the presses. Gov. Gregoire is seeking to effect that much-talked about but never materialized transition to a 'new class'-dominated political economy, hegemonized by a new mandarinate of credentialed technicians, scientists, clerks, and intellectuals. Private enterprise is going finally to be dominated by the State, led by organized 'intellectuals'. A new mode of production, dominated by the owners and controllers of the means of information and thought, is afoot!

Gimme a farqing break!

Theories of the New Class Intellectuals and Power

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Their major prescriptive (or is it predictive?) claim comes in the concluding chapter. The New Class that eventually does come to power will have a sense of agency, a position of structural power and be conscious of itself as a class. After evaluating the latest Eastern European New Class theory, what King and Szelényi label “neo-socialist real utopias”, as well as the “third-way” project proposed in the West and advocated by the likes of Tony Blair and Bill Clinton, King and Szelényi propose their candidate for New Class power — tongue-in-cheek, they remind us. It will be teachers and college professors. This aging group is in the process of attaining enormous economic as well as demographic power. Aging baby-boomers, having access to significant pensions and other forms of social security, will be, suggest King and Szelényi, in excellent position to take over political power. There is still hope for us yet, it would seem.


Lawrence Peter King and Iván Szelényi. Theories of the New Class: Intellectuals and Power. Book Review Canadian Journal of Sociology Online January-February 2005
davis¹³
A G.O.P. Race for Governor Gets Nasty
By LAURA MANSNERUS

Published: April 4, 2005

The prize is an exhausting five-month-long campaign against a rival who has a double-digit advantage in the polls and millions of dollars to spend on an election. But the race for the Republican gubernatorial nomination in New Jersey is crowded, and it is increasingly hard-fought.



In fact, the nomination is contested fiercely enough that the party, instead of marshaling its scarce resources in support of a single candidate, began to fracture last week as three of the seven candidates accused a leading rival, Douglas R. Forrester, of using his personal fortune to secure endorsements.

And when the seriously outgunned Republicans face Jon S. Corzine, who is leaving the United States Senate for what, at this point, looks like a walk into the State House in November, "whoever wins the nomination will have a hard time pulling this fractious party together," said David Rebovich, the director of the Rider University Institute for Politics.

Mr. Forrester, who says the accusations are baseless, continues to share a wide lead in the primary race with Bret D. Schundler, the former mayor of Jersey City, who ran unsuccessfully against James E. McGreevey four years ago. In recent polls each man commanded about one-third of the Republican voters.

Mr. Forrester also continued to gather endorsements last week and won the 9th of 12 county party caucuses so far.

But Mr. Forrester's establishment mantle seemed only to goad his opponents. Three of them - Mr. Schundler, Assemblyman Paul DiGaetano and John J. Murphy - issued a press release citing rumors that Mr. Forrester had promised political contributions to local officials in exchange for support in the county conventions, and they demanded that Mr. Forrester, a millionaire owner of a company that manages prescription drug plans, disclose all donations he had made this year.

Republicans have sought to attack Mr. Corzine on the same issue, portraying him as the boss of bosses and accusing him of buying his party's nomination with $8 million in contributions to Democratic campaigns and political organizations in recent years.

Defending the Republicans' shot at Mr. Forrester, Mr. Murphy, a Morris County freeholder, said, "After all, isn't that what we've been fighting Jon Corzine on?"



http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/04/nyregion/04repubs.html

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davis¹³
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This post has been edited by Nomarchy: Today, 10:17 AM


I don't put up a disclaimer. How about everyone assumes I misspelled at least once per post and make errors in grammar continuously? tongue.gif I try. I was horrible at English. I love to read but...

lil bart's gonna be sooooo mad. (I butchered the whole post didn't I teach wink.gif ?)

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lil bart
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Apr 4 2005, 08:20 AM)
Stop the presses. Gov. Gregoire is seeking to effect that much-talked about but never materialized transition to a 'new class'-dominated political economy, hegemonized by a new mandarinate of credentialed technicians, scientists, clerks, and intellectuals. Private enterprise is going finally to be dominated by the State, led by organized 'intellectuals'. A new mode of production, dominated by the owners and controllers of the means of information and thought, is afoot!

Gimme a farqing break!


Theories of the New Class Intellectuals and Power

and
Lawrence Peter King and Iván Szelényi. Theories of the New Class: Intellectuals and Power. Book Review Canadian Journal of Sociology Online January-February 2005
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Uh, sure. huh.gif 'S'ok, I have the occasional masturbatory post.

lil bart
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Apr 4 2005, 10:03 AM)
I don't put up a disclaimer. How about everyone assumes I misspelled at least once per post and make errors in grammar continuously?  tongue.gif  I try. I was horrible at English. I love to read but... 

lil bart's gonna be sooooo mad. (I butchered the whole post didn't I teach wink.gif ?)

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What are you talkin' about, silly boy? smile.gif
davis¹³
QUOTE(lil bart @ Apr 4 2005, 12:28 PM)
What are you talkin' about, silly boy?  smile.gif
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1... I used these ... remeber? yous don alike ... and you said you were good at engrish.


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davis¹³
A 3rd DeLay Trip Under Scrutiny
1997 Russia Visit Reportedly Backed by Business Interests


A six-day trip to Moscow in 1997 by then-House Majority Whip Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) was underwritten by business interests lobbying in support of the Russian government, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the trip arrangements.

DeLay reported that the trip was sponsored by a Washington-based nonprofit organization. But interviews with those involved in planning DeLay's trip say the expenses were covered by a mysterious company registered in the Bahamas that also paid for an intensive $440,000 lobbying campaign.




It is unclear precisely how the money was transferred from the Bahamian-registered company to the nonprofit.

The expense-paid trip by DeLay and four of his staff members cost $57,238, according to records filed by his office. During his six days in Moscow, he played golf, met with Russian church leaders and talked to Prime Minister Viktor Chernomyrdin, a friend of Russian oil and gas executives associated with the lobbying effort.

DeLay also dined with the Russian executives and two Washington-based registered lobbyists for the Bahamian-registered company, sources say. One of those lobbyists was Jack Abramoff, who is now at the center of a federal influence-peddling and corruption probe related to his representation of Indian tribes.

House members bear some responsibility to ensure that the sponsors for their travel are not masquerading for registered lobbyists or foreign government interests, legal experts say. House ethics rules bar the acceptance of travel reimbursement from registered lobbyists and foreign agents.

In this case, travel funds did not come directly from lobbyists; the money came from a firm, Chelsea Commercial Enterprises Ltd., that funded the lobbying campaign, according to the sources. Chelsea was coordinating the effort with a Russian oil and gas company -- Naftasib -- that has business ties with Russian security institutions, the sources said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...av=rss_business
davis¹³
More damage control by these pieces of sh*t.


Was the Schiavo memo a fake?


By Brian DeBoseand Stephen Dinan
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

All 55 Republican senators say they have never seen the Terri Schiavo political talking-points memo that Democrats say was circulated among Republicans during the floor debate over whether the federal government should intervene to prolong her life.
A survey by The Washington Times found that every Republican said the memo was not crafted or distributed by him or her. Every one of them said he or she had not seen it until the memo was the subject of speculation in major news organs, particularly ABC News and The Washington Post.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050406-124141-1831r.htm

Well duuuuhhhh. You think any of those political opportunists are going to admit using the Shiavo case for political gain? Do you think any of the same pieces of sh*t would admit using 9/11 the same way? Fork these lowlife scumsucking vermin. tongue.gif
davis¹³
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Sen. Robert F. Bennett, Utah Republican, said the issue "stinks" of a news fabrication similar to the one that engulfed CBS anchorman Dan Rather during the 2004 presidential campaign, after he reported that President Bush did not fulfill his duties while in the National Guard, citing documents that CBS later admitted could not be authenticated.
    "I've never seen it, and nobody ever gave it to me," Mr. Bennett said of the purported Schiavo memo, adding: "As far as I'm concerned, it is an invention of the press."



Forkin' lying pig. Listen to DeLay for 5 seconds and you can see what they're doing. Maggots.
davis¹³
Another lousy porker.

Frist Says Courts in Schiavo Case Acted Fairly
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Apr 5, 4:50 PM (ET)


By Thomas Ferraro

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Senate Republican leader Bill Frist said on Tuesday that courts had acted fairly in the Terri Schiavo "right-to-die" case, differing sharply from a vow of retribution by his House of Representatives counterpart, Tom DeLay.

"I believe we have a fair and independent judiciary today," said Frist, now trying to resolve a battle with Democrats over judicial nominations that threatens to tie his chamber into knots. "I respect that."

Frist and DeLay, as the Senate and House majority leaders, had led a charge for emergency legislation calling on the federal courts to review the Schiavo case.

http://reuters.myway.com/article/20050405/...-JUDGES-DC.html


Running for cover now, ain't he? lol!!! What's the matter Bill? Being recognized as the extremist you are?

davis¹³
Was the Schiavo memo a fake?


By Brian DeBoseand Stephen Dinan
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

All 55 Republican senators say they have never seen the Terri Schiavo political talking-points memo that Democrats say was circulated among Republicans during the floor debate over whether the federal government should intervene to prolong her life.

A survey by The Washington Times found that every Republican said the memo was not crafted or distributed by him or her. Every one of them said he or she had not seen it until the memo was the subject of speculation in major news organs, particularly ABC News and The Washington Post.

Democrats said Republicans distributed the memo, and one Democratic official told The Post that a Republican senator gave it to a Democratic senator.

The Times surveyed all 44 Democrats and the chamber's one independent, and only one of them, Sen. Tom Harkin, Iowa Democrat, said through a spokeswoman that he saw it circulated on the Senate floor.

"He said that the memo was being circulated by Republican members on Thursday before we went out of session, and that is when he saw it," said his spokeswoman, Allison Dobson.

Two Democratic offices refused to respond — Sen. Jack Reed of Rhode Island and Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, Nevada Democrat — the latter even as he continued to accuse Republicans of being behind it.

"We will not participate in the survey. News outlets have investigated and authenticated the memo was real and came from Republican sources. We have no further comment," said spokeswoman Tessa Hafen. "If you want more information on the memo, you should work on finding the Republican who wrote it."

She did not respond to a request to name the newspaper or network that had "authenticated" the memorandum.

ABC News first reported on March 18 that talking points were circulated among Republican senators, and The Washington Post two days later called the document "an unsigned one-page memo, distributed to Republican senators."

Neither report cited its sources, but a later article in The Post quoted a Democratic Senate official saying, "The fact is, these talking points were given to a Democratic member by a Republican senator." That article and another in the New York Times said the memo was then given to reporters by Democratic aides.

Sen. Robert F. Bennett, Utah Republican, said the issue "stinks" of a news fabrication similar to the one that engulfed CBS anchorman Dan Rather during the 2004 presidential campaign, after he reported that President Bush did not fulfill his duties while in the National Guard, citing documents that CBS later admitted could not be authenticated.

"I've never seen it, and nobody ever gave it to me," Mr. Bennett said of the purported Schiavo memo, adding: "As far as I'm concerned, it is an invention of the press."



So, Mr. Bennet, you gonna apologize now or later?

Sen. Frank R. Lautenberg, New Jersey Democrat, has called for the Senate Rules and Administration Committee to investigate.

"Those who would attempt to influence debate in the United States Senate should not hide behind anonymous pieces of paper," he said in his March 23 letter asking for the inquiry.

Mr. Lautenberg said yesterday that he never saw the document on the floor. Staffers in his office said they got a copy of it from a Web site and passed on copies to the rules committee.

Sen. Trent Lott, Mississippi Republican and chairman of the rules committee, said yesterday that he would look into who, how and when the document was produced, although he is skeptical of the Democratic charges.

"We have not been able to find the source and I was on the floor the whole time until 10 o'clock that night and I never saw it," Mr. Lott said.

The Post, in a dispatch last week, cited a "Democratic Senate official" who said, "It's ridiculous to suggest that these are some talking points concocted by a Democratic staffer. The fact is, these talking points were given to a Democratic member by a Republican senator."

The memo has been cited repeatedly by columnists as evidence that Republicans were trying to exploit the dispute over Mrs. Schiavo, who died last week — 13 days after her feeding tube was removed. Some press reports also said the memo was distributed by Republican leaders — a notion the leadership offices strongly denied.

"In a nutshell, I can just simply tell you that no, we have nothing to do with that memo; no we have not seen that memo; we have nothing to do with circulating that memo," said Robert Traynham, spokesman for Republican Conference Chairman Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania. "Senator Santorum had nothing to do with it. Neither did any member of his staff at the personal level or the leadership level."

Sen. Bill Nelson, Florida Democrat, who is up for re-election next year, is specified in the memo as someone who could suffer political damage if he opposed saving Mrs. Schiavo.

Asked whether he'd seen the memo, Mr. Nelson said to talk to Mr. Harkin.
"Ask Senator Harkin. He saw it, and he told me about it because my name was on it," Mr. Nelson said.

Mr. Nelson's fellow Florida senator, Mel Martinez, a Republican, also has been the focus of some scrutiny in press accounts because passages of the disputed memo appear to have been lifted from a press release posted on his Senate Web site.

He denied any involvement.

"Senator Martinez has never seen the memo and condemns its sentiments," spokeswoman Kerry Feehery said. "No one in our office has seen it, nor had anything to do with its creation."


surrrre, he knew nothing.

Joe Shoemaker, a spokesman for Senate Minority Whip Richard J. Durbin, Illinois Democrat, said in several conversations over three days that his boss saw the memo on the floor.

Asked independently, however, Mr. Durbin said he never saw it.

"No, I did not see it," he said. "I heard about it reported on the news."

Asked about the discrepancy, Mr. Shoemaker later said that the senator's floor staff thought he had seen it. The staffers saw a "gaggle" of senators standing around discussing a document during floor debate, and Mr. Durbin walked over to them.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050406-124141-1831r.htm
davis¹³
Republican version of ethics.


In Bushworld, the Truth Hurts

# Liars move up as straight shooters take the hits.


Everybody says Washington has become too mean. The majority doesn't speak to the minority, except to threaten a "nuclear option" to block filibusters of judicial nominees. Oppose a domestic policy and you'll be branded an obstructionist. Oppose a foreign policy and they'll brand you as unpatriotic. It goes downhill from there.

It is amazing that in a town with so many mean people that there's no one to express righteous anger when the situation begs for it. We've had outpourings of congressional anger over steroids in baseball and Terri Schiavo, but only modest dismay over the latest report on U.S. intelligence failures.

For $10 million, nine presidential commissioners told us that there were flaws in the intelligence community. Great. There are lots of people who would've told us that for free.

Worse yet, the commission concluded in a 600-page report that intelligence wasn't politicized. Uh-huh. Frankly, only a politicized commission could possibly have concluded that "no one from the White House or Pentagon contributed to the mistaken intelligence."


Of course, there were Democrats on the panel. But it's like one of those suspense movies in which it turns out that everyone's on the take. They're all members of the permanent establishment, writing to absolve other members of culpability. No one wants to be cast out, even someone who got been rolled.

It's especially true here in Washington that to get along, you must go along. I saw that principle in action recently at a restaurant where Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (dining with Vice President Dick Cheney) went out of his way to table-hop over to shake hands with Terry McAuliffe, the former Democratic national chairman. They may be in different parties, but they're in the same club.

You'd think Colin Powell, of all of them, would be incensed over going to war on false pretenses, and publicly so. He's the only top member of the administration who could truly claim to have been duped, a doubter turned believer after he was fed information that turned out to be wrong.

After the report came out last Thursday, Powell in an interview in Stern, the German magazine, did allow that he was "furious and angry," that "some of the information was wrong." "Some" and "wrong"? How about "most" and "dishonest," especially about aluminum tubes and mobile labs?

According to the report, the night before Powell gave his speech to the United Nations, then-CIA Director George Tenet got a call from a senior deputy saying he was very concerned about the credibility of "Curveball," a principal source for the mobile labs story. Tenet claimed to remember none of that exchange. He never told Powell.

At least Powell is expressing some anger. But President Bush? He's not angry at all. He's got yet another report absolving him of cherry-picking intelligence to fit his needs.

It was bad analysts and organizational foul-ups. That's unfortunate, and he's on the case. No higher-ups are to blame. Bush can name an intelligence czar and move around some boxes on a flow chart — and poof, his political problem is solved. All without even being interviewed by his own commission.


So why care about anger? The ease with which many in Washington accept that we went to war on a false pretext means it could happen again. If someone doesn't say that this isn't only an organizational problem but a political one, CIA analysts will believe that if you give the boss what he wants, you'll be fine. And so will the boss.

Look at the people gone: Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill; director of the National Economic Council, Lawrence Lindsey; Army Chief of Staff Gen. Eric K. Shinseki. They spoke the truth. Look at the people rewarded: Tenet, L. Paul Bremer III, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and all those welcomed to a second term, like Donald Rumsfeld and Cheney.

The lesson is clear: Nothing upends a career in Bushworld like devotion to the truth. For delivering the appearance of a slam dunk, Tenet was awarded the Medal of Freedom. For playing his part, Powell, the noble warrior, was not invited back.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commen...omment-opinions
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Apr 7 2005, 08:22 AM)
After the report came out last Thursday, Powell in an interview in Stern, the German magazine, did allow that he was "furious and angry," that "some of the information was wrong." "Some" and "wrong"? How about "most" and "dishonest," especially about aluminum tubes and mobile labs?

According to the report, the night before Powell gave his speech to the United Nations, then-CIA Director George Tenet got a call from a senior deputy saying he was very concerned about the credibility of "Curveball," a principal source for the mobile labs story. Tenet claimed to remember none of that exchange. He never told Powell.
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Lying weasels got caught.
davis¹³
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Tenet claimed to remember none of that exchange.



Explosive amnesia.


davis¹³
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especially about aluminum tubes and mobile labs



My rightwing friend sent me to the CIA's own website to see the proof, including (GASP!!!) artists renditions of what the mobile labs looked like.
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Separately, the American Project Action Fund unveiled a Web site, www.DropTheHammer.org,urging consumers to contact businesses that have donated to DeLay's Legal defense Fund. "Let these corporations know that unless they stop supporting Tom DeLay, you'll stop supporting them," it says.



I love the name of this site.



American Airlines gave $5,000 to DeLay's legal defense. So much for flying the friendly skies -- American Airlines seems to want to get friendly with Tom DeLay. Hey AA, ever heard of ethical standards? Read more.

Bacardi contributed $3000 to defend Tom DeLay's unethical behavior. Are they drunk? Actually, Bacardi's contribution to Tom DeLay's legal defense may not be surprising - Bacardi has been indicted for illegal contributions it made to DeLay's Texans for a Republican Majority PAC. Read more.

When Tom DeLay needed some corporate cash to defend his unethical practices, Nissan shifted into high gear with a $5000 contribution. Read more.

Don't tobacco companies have enough public relations problems as it is? We wonder whose bright idea it was at RJ Reynolds to give $17,000 in corporate cash to defend Tom DeLay. Read more.

Hey Verizon: demand that the $5000 you gave to defend Tom DeLay's unethical behavior is returned. Can you hear me now, Verizon? Read more.

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