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Repub_Bub
QUOTE(Bee @ Jun 5 2005, 02:36 PM)
Considering I am so "ignorant" of history and economics, it s remarkable that a professor of economics at Harvard seems to sgree wit my viewpoint.

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QUOTE(Bee)
They are destroying this country, and their preoccupation with "self-fulfillment" and lack of ethical behavior has cast our previously honorable National Identity in their own immoral and selfish mirror image.

Bigtime.


Oh yeah, damn near a verbatim quotation....as for Harvard.... smile.gif


Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(RoccoR @ Jun 5 2005, 07:05 AM)

A "flat tax" is one such suggestion and the elimination of all tax loopholes.  But this must be balanced with anti-usary laws (maximum interest laws); as well as protections against spiraling inflation.

These are not easy things to do when entire business empires are built on the current system.

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A lot of individual plans are made on the current system as well. There are many ways to apply a flat tax, some include a few "loopholes" for low earners. My assumption is when you change the tax system some people will find ways to work around it and benefit no matter what you do. The system will reset it self to new realities and some will gain and some will lose just like the current system.

A real flat tax with no exemptions and deductions will surely hurt people who now pay no income tax, at least while things iron out and reach equilibrium in the job market.
Bee
More evidence of the amoral and unethical policies of the right.

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The war that nobody talks about - the overwhelmingly one-sided class war - is being waged all across America. Guess who's winning.

A recent front-page article in The Los Angeles Times showed that teenagers are faring poorly in a tight job market because of the fierce competition they're getting from older workers and immigrants for entry-level positions.

On the same day, in the business section, the paper reported that the chief executives at California's largest 100 companies took home a collective $1.1 billion in 2004, an increase of nearly 20 percent over the previous year. The paper contrasted that with the 2.9 percent raise that the average California worker saw last year.


The gap between the rich and everybody else in this country is fast becoming an unbridgeable chasm. David Cay Johnston, in the latest installment of the New York Times series "Class Matters," wrote, "It's no secret that the gap between the rich and the poor has been growing, but the extent to which the richest are leaving everybody else behind is not widely known."

Consider, for example, two separate eras in the lifetime of the baby-boom generation. For every additional dollar earned by the bottom 90 percent of the population between 1950 and 1970, those in the top 0.01 percent earned an additional $162. That gap has since skyrocketed. For every additional dollar earned by the bottom 90 percent between 1990 and 2002, Mr. Johnston wrote, each taxpayer in that top bracket brought in an extra $18,000.


IOW: Obscene avarice and greed.

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It's like chasing a speedboat with a rowboat.

Put the myth of the American Dream aside. The bottom line is that it's becoming increasingly difficult for working Americans to move up in class. The rich are freezing nearly everybody else in place, and sprinting off with the nation's bounty.

Economic mobility in the United States - the extent to which individuals and families move from one social class to another - is no higher than in Britain or France, and lower than in some Scandinavian countries. Maybe we should be studying the Scandinavian dream.


As far as the Bush administration is concerned, the gap between the rich and the rest of us is not growing fast enough.  An analysis by The Times showed the following:

"Under the Bush tax cuts, the 400 taxpayers with the highest incomes - a minimum of $87 million in 2000, the last year for which the government will release such data - now pay income, Medicare and Social Security taxes amounting to virtually the same percentage of their incomes as people making $50,000 to $75,000. Those earning more than $10 million a year now pay a lesser share of their income in these taxes than those making $100,000 to $200,000."

The social dislocations resulting from this war that nobody mentions have been under way for some time. But the Bush economic policies have accelerated the consequences and intensified the pain.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/06/opinion/06herbert.html


Now will come the usual innane comments about jealousy, bush-hating, etc.

It's none of those. Try moral outrage. I refuse to admire creatures who only interest is in shallow self-fulfillment and immoral "material blessings."

The right are a bunch of foolish sheep running the whole country off a cliff in a hurry. Their own illogical and ignorant policies are what is doing them in, not any "propaganda" by the left. Even the CIA world factbook acknowledges the inequality and folly of the rich:

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Economy - overview:

The US has the largest and most technologically powerful economy in the world, with a per capita GDP of $40,100. In this market-oriented economy, private individuals and business firms make most of the decisions, and the federal and state governments buy needed goods and services predominantly in the private marketplace. US business firms enjoy considerably greater flexibility than their counterparts in Western Europe and Japan in decisions to expand capital plant, to lay off surplus workers, and to develop new products. At the same time, they face higher barriers to entry in their rivals' home markets than the barriers to entry of foreign firms in US markets. US firms are at or near the forefront in technological advances, especially in computers and in medical, aerospace, and military equipment; their advantage has narrowed since the end of World War II. The onrush of technology largely explains the gradual development of a "two-tier labor market" in which those at the bottom lack the education and the professional/technical skills of those at the top and, more and more, fail to get comparable pay raises, health insurance coverage, and other benefits. Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households. The response to the terrorist attacks of 11 September 2001 showed the remarkable resilience of the economy. The war in March/April 2003 between a US-led coalition and Iraq, and the subsequent occupation of Iraq, required major shifts in national resources to the military. The rise in GDP in 2004 was undergirded by substantial gains in labor productivity. The economy suffered from a sharp increase in energy prices in the second half of 2004. Long-term problems include inadequate investment in economic infrastructure, rapidly rising medical and pension costs of an aging population, sizable trade and budget deficits, and stagnation of family income in the lower economic groups.


Keep on defending these 10 percenter pigs, I'll stick to defending the lower 90%. We ARE America. They aren't.
davisął
"Coingate" rocks Ohio's Republican Party

State and federal authorities are investigating Thomas Noe, a Toledo, Ohio, coin collector who has donated generously to the campaigns of major Republican candidates over the years.


TOLEDO, Ohio — Money has always been the coin of the political realm, but the unfolding scandal over lost coins in Ohio — old nickels, dimes and gold pieces coveted by collectors and valued into the millions of dollars — is shaking the Republican Party to its grand old roots.

In what is predictably being labeled "Coingate," state and federal authorities have sicced their investigative dogs on the activities of Thomas Noe, a Toledo coin collector who chaired President Bush's 2004 re-election campaign in northwest Ohio and who, over the years, has been a veritable lawn sprinkler of campaign cash to major Republican candidates in the state.

Noe is in trouble because $12 million to $13 million in state money from the workers'-compensation fund is missing after being invested in rare-coin funds that Noe controls.

Authorities are pursuing criminal charges, and Noe, 50, the gregarious, bankrolling confidante of Ohio Republicans, is political poison. His former friends, including the governor, couldn't be running any faster to get away from him and the taint of scandal.

Gov. Bob Taft, U.S. Sen. Mike DeWine and three other statewide officeholders with gubernatorial ambitions, announced last week they are giving up about $60,000 they had received from Noe.

In Washington, the Republican National Committee (RNC) said Thursday it would donate to charities $6,000 that the Bush/Cheney campaign and the RNC received directly from Noe and his wife, Bernadette. The Bush campaign received more than $100,000 raised by Noe. RNC spokeswoman Tracey Schmitt said remaining contributions "appear to be completely appropriate."


Instead of donating it to your favorite charities how about you return the ill gotten gain to the Workers Compensation bureau?? That way it doesn't turn into a payoff for politically connected charities? Think you could do that?

Bush met with Noe last October to thank him and his wife for their fund-raising efforts. Bush narrowly won Ohio, whose 19 electoral votes enabled him to secure a second term.

In the meantime, a grand jury last week began investigating Bush-Cheney campaign contributions that had any connection to Noe.

Earlier, the director of Ohio's workers'-compensation bureau, James Conrad, resigned after authorities learned of the missing money. Conrad, once dubbed "Mr. Fixit" for his reputation of turning around troubled programs, said on May 27 he would voluntarily resign over the scandal. The bureau began investing in rare coins several years ago as a way to hedge its stock and bond holdings.

Potentially explosive

The perception of money for injured workers going to support politicians is potentially explosive for Ohio Republicans, who control nearly all major statewide offices and who cleared the way for an unusual $55 million state investment in Noe's rare-coin venture, starting in 1998.

Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell, who is running for the GOP gubernatorial nomination next year, recently called on U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to investigate.

Noe "has done a great disservice to the people of Ohio by mismanaging our public resources and abusing our trust," Taft said in a joint statement with Ohio GOP chairman Robert Bennett. Bennett, with an eye toward next year's statewide election, said he will require any candidate seeking the party's support to undergo ethics training.

Bwahahahahahaha!! ETHICS TRAINING?? YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING!


"I think it's a little late, and I don't know that politics and ethics necessarily walk hand-in-hand," said Monica Benoit, a state employee who, like many in Toledo, has been watching the political intrigue spill onto the pages of The Toledo Blade, which began reporting on the missing state money early this year.

Ohio is not immune from scandal. Former U.S. Rep. James Traficant, expelled from the U.S. House in 2002, is serving an eight-year sentence for a bribery conviction. Wayne Hays resigned from the U.S. House after an investigation into his employment of his alleged mistress. And President Warren Harding maintained a long affair with the wife of a friend as well as a woman 30 years his junior.

Coins — old coins that one would usually see only in collectors' shops or museums — give this scandal the patina of distinction. Investigators say 121 coins bought with state money are missing and may have been stolen in Colorado. Little is known about the coins, except for two — a $3 gold coin minted in 1855 and a $10 gold coin minted in 1845. What is known is that the politically connected Noe benefited from the decision by the Ohio Bureau of Workers' Compensation to invest state money in his coin funds.

"This is such a vibrant example of the culture of corruption in Columbus," said Democratic state Sen. Marc Dann, whose party has not won a statewide race in Ohio in more than a decade.

"The people in charge have become too comfortable with churning government benefits in exchange for campaign contributions," Dann said.


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/poli...ohiocoin05.html
davisął
These were the "freedom tankers". Remember that? At the height of the "freedom fries" hysteria. When the deal was endangered by sunlight, they nailed the opponents as being unpatriotic for NOT supporting it. This is blatant opportunism and profiteering during a war. And it was justified by false-patriotism and lies.

They wrapped this scam in the flag and demanded it get a fast track to approval.



E-Mails Detail Air Force Push for Boeing Deal
Pentagon Official Called Proposed Lease of Tankers a 'Bailout,' Report Finds

By R. Jeffrey Smith
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, June 7, 2005; Page A01

For the past three years, the Air Force has described its $30 billion proposal to convert passenger planes into military refueling tankers and lease them from Boeing Co. as an efficient way to obtain aircraft the military urgently needs.

But a very different account of the deal is shown in an August 2002 internal e-mail exchange among four senior Pentagon officials.

"We all know that this is a bailout for Boeing," Ronald G. Garant, an official of the Pentagon comptroller's office, said in a message to two others in his office and then-Deputy Undersecretary of Defense Wayne A. Schroeder. "Why don't we just bite the bullet," he asked, and handle the acquisition like the procurement of a 1970s-era aircraft -- by squeezing the manufacturer to provide a better tanker at a decent cost?

"We didn't need those aircraft either, but we didn't screw the taxpayer in the process," Garant added, referring to widespread sentiment at the Pentagon that the proposed lease of Boeing 767s would cost too much for a plane with serious shortcomings.

Garant's candid advice, which top Air Force officials did not follow, is disclosed for the first time in a new 256-page report by the Pentagon's inspector general. It provides an extraordinary glimpse of how the Air Force worked hand-in-glove with one of its chief contractors -- the financially ailing Boeing -- to help it try to obtain the most costly government lease ever.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...5060601715.html
davisął
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Air Force spokesman Douglas Karas said he could not comment on the report in detail until it has been officially released. He said, however, that "we've learned from this experience" and will apply the lessons to future procurement of large weapons systems. Di Rita and Rumsfeld were in Thailand yesterday. A Boeing spokesman said the company could not comment on a report it has not read.


I bet you did learn from it. Not that it was wrong, or you shouldn't do it again, but that you should hide it better.
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(davisął @ Jun 7 2005, 06:23 AM)
"We all know that this is a bailout for Boeing," Ronald G. Garant, an official of the Pentagon comptroller's office, said in a message to two others in his office and then-Deputy Undersecretary of Defense Wayne A. Schroeder. "Why don't we just bite the bullet," he asked, and handle the acquisition like the procurement of a 1970s-era aircraft -- by squeezing the manufacturer to provide a better tanker at a decent cost?

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Because times have changed dude, times have changed.
davisął
House Ethics Standstill Stalls DeLay Decision
Committee May Be Inactive for Months

By Mike Allen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, June 9, 2005; Page A01

A dispute between the parties has shut down the House ethics committee for the second time this year, and lawmakers said that it could be months -- and perhaps next year -- before the panel will decide whether to examine the activities of House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) or others accused of violating restrictions on lobbying and travel.

DeLay has retained Richard Cullen of Richmond, a former U.S. attorney and Virginia attorney general, to represent him in dealings with the ethics committee and, if necessary, the Justice Department.

"My job is to make sure that people are focusing on the facts and not politics," Cullen said yesterday.

DeLay's emerging strategy, other advisers said, is to argue that the ethics panel should not focus on him alone, but should conduct a broad investigation of members' compliance with travel rules, including the many Democrats who did not file required disclosure forms.

Democrats are hoping to gain political advantage from investigations into DeLay's activities and overseas travel and his ties to lobbyist Jack Abramoff. Yet, many Democratic lawmakers also benefited from Abramoff's political operations or took overseas trips that are now attracting media attention.

The ethics committee, the House's mechanism for enforcing rules for members, has operated for exactly one day since the 109th Congress convened in early January. In May, after Republicans broke an impasse with Democrats by backing off an effort to change the rules for investigations, the committee voted to organize for the year.

But it has not met since then. No session is scheduled, and both parties say any investigation is months off. The latest logjam relates to a decision by Chairman Doc Hastings (R-Wash.) to try to name his 10-year chief of staff, Ed Cassidy, as a co-director of the committee staff. But the panel's top Democrat, Rep. Alan B. Mollohan (W.Va.), said the rules give Democrats a say in the appointment, and they oppose Cassidy. Democrats and Republicans each hold five of the committee's 10 seats, making it the only House panel on which Democrats can block majority-party actions.

In a sign that both parties are leery of the outcome of an ethics war, not a single complaint has been filed with the ethics committee by either side despite a torrent of revelations about questionable conduct by lawmakers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...5060802366.html
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(davisął @ Jun 8 2005, 08:19 PM)


In a sign that both parties are leery of the outcome of an ethics war, not a single complaint has been filed with the ethics committee by either side despite a torrent of revelations about questionable conduct by lawmakers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...5060802366.html
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THAT is the nuclear option I've harped on many times before, regarding more than one subject. NEITHER side wants honest accountings because they both know where it would lead. Sure, they'll pick somebody weak or that nobody likes to attack, but nobody really wants an all out war of opening up and cleaning closets because it will affect everyone. They've all either made deals and taken advantage of their positions or looked the other way when others made deals and took advantage.

The Dems took it far enough to put doubts on DeLay, now they can just lay low until it all blows over. DeLay is weakened, no Dems are investigated, and we are stuck with all the same people we had before, doing the same stuff they've always done.
inyerface
...doing the same stuff they've always done...

ignoring an Al Qaida training camp in Pakistan.

is there really one?

somebody better tell homeland security before it gets away.

duh george
davisął
These people are nothing but whores. Now this idiot Anne Klee is now a lawyer for the EPA. What is wrong with this picture.



SOUTHWEST FLORIDA

U.S. mineral-rights offer called ripoff

A federal investigator charged that a stalled deal to buy mineral rights in a national preserve would have been a windfall for a powerful Florida family.

BY CURTIS MORGAN

cmorgan@herald.com

Three years ago, U.S. Interior Secretary Gail Norton touted a $120 million offer to buy gas and oil rights in the sprawling Big Cypress National Preserve in Southwest Florida as ``a win for all sides.''

On Wednesday, the department's inspector general blasted the unconsummated deal as a major ripoff for taxpayers.

In an unusually harsh report posted Wednesday on the department's website, a federal investigator charged that a company owned by the powerful Collier family had basically bluffed the Bush administration into making an inflated offer for rights that the federal government may already have paid for in an early land swap.

The report from Interior Inspector General Earl Devaney, which provides a rare window into what it called the ''distressing'' details of Washington deal-making, also criticized a number of senior Interior staffers. Investigators charge that they greased the wheels for a boondoggle with a tax break potentially worth hundreds of millions and by bending rules and providing ''incomplete'' information to sell the deal to Congress.

The deal was blasted by Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, during an appearance by Devaney at a Finance Committee hearing.

''To be candid, Mr. Devaney, I thought you had already found the bottom of the cesspool when it comes to land transactions at Interior, but this new report shows that it is even deeper than we had thought,'' Grassley said.

Bob Duncan, general manager of the Naples-based Collier Resources Co., fired back, saying the company had operated in good faith. He said the depiction of negotiations in the report -- www.oig.doi.gov -- was ``erroneous and misleading.''

DEAL `TERMINATED'

Interior spokeswoman Tina Kreisher issued a written statement saying the agency had already ''terminated'' the deal and had ordered an extensive reform of its appraisal process after internal questions and scrutiny from Congress, including former Florida Sen. Bob Graham.

She also defended the conduct of staffers. The report singles out two Interior attorneys, Barry Roth and Pete Schaumberg, for pushing the deal but notes that it was championed by Anne Klee, a political appointee who was Secretary's Norton's chief advisor and is now a counsel for the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, as well as others higher up in the Bush administration.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/11848720.htm
davisął
N.C. GOP must repay $100G illegal donation

By MARTHA WAGGONER


RALEIGH, N.C. — The state Republican Party must repay a $100,000 illegal contribution from a national group - and the group must pay a $10,000 fine - under a consent agreement reached Wednesday with the state Elections Board.

The Republican State Leadership Committee - a group formed to help elect GOP state legislators, attorneys general and lieutenant governors - borrowed the money from Wachovia bank a day before setting up in North Carolina in October.

The organization then donated the cash to the N.C. Senatorial Trust, which works to elect Republican state senators; the trust passed it along to the state Republican Party.

State Democrats filed a complaint.

Under state law, political committees in North Carolina can take donations only from individuals and other political organizations.

Gary Bartlett, executive director of the state Elections Board, said that since the leadership committee borrowed the money before it set up the political action committee - and co-mingled corporate and individual contributions - the contribution to the state GOP was illegal.

"With this consent agreement, Republicans have admitted that they acted illegally," state Democratic Party chairman Jerry Meek said in a statement.

The leadership committee did not return phone calls seeking comment.

Bill Peaslee, chief of staff for the state GOP, argued his group never broke the law.

"Essentially, we did as the state Board of Elections requested and none of the money which was sent to us was ever spent in support of any candidates once it became questionable," he said.

The fine likely would have been higher if the GOP had spent the money - up to $300,000, three times the amount of the donation, Bartlett said.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/APWires/p.../D8AJROMG0.html
davisął
On Dean's comments about Republicans:


"Does Dean really believe that no Republicans work for a living? Of course not. Does Dean believe Tom DeLay is facing an imminent jail sentence for his ethical problems? Of course not.

"These are simple hyperboles that are commonplace in normal discussion. But we're not having a normal conversation. Our national conversation is dominated by right wing talk show hosts who blow everything Democrats say out of proportion and completely ignore the real problems of America.

"So, in this world, invading a country that didn't attack us and posed absolutely no threat to us is no big deal. But Howard Dean overstating his distaste for Republicans is an enormous deal. In this world, lying about Saddam Hussein's connections to 9/11, his WMD capabilities and misleading us into a highly destabilizing preemptive strike against another country is a tiny issue. What Howard Dean said last week is a giant issue. Tom DeLay's ethical violations aren't an issue, what Dean says about them is an issue.


"C'mon, c'mon, c'mon. How many times are we going to fall into this conservative talking point trap? Democrats shouldn't be backpedaling from aggressive comments, they should be attacking straight ahead."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...5041100587.html



It's just sickening. These lousy so-called morals and values hypocrites make me want to wretch. Republicans can say ANY THING THEY WANT, I MEAN ANYTHING, no matter how outrageous or even if it's a total lie. Compare Max Cleland to Saddan Hussein and Ossama Bin Laden and get away with it. Dean says this stuff and they go apeshit. I just depise them. Lying vermin.
davisął
Court Files Shed Light on DeLay's PAC Ties
# Evidence in a lawsuit may show deeper involvement with the controversial Texans for a Republican Majority than the congressman has acknowledged.

By Scott Gold, Times Staff Writer

AUSTIN, Texas — When a judge said last month that a political committee founded by House Majority Leader Tom DeLay had broken the law by failing to report $500,000 in donations, the Texas congressman distanced himself from the matter.

DeLay's representatives insisted that he was a mere figurehead of the committee, Texans for a Republican Majority. He had no control over its day-to-day operation, they said, and his lawyer dismissed suggestions of impropriety as "outlandish."


But in summer 2002, a crucial period of fundraising and activism for the committee, DeLay stepped off an airplane in Austin and received a list of people who were to attend a fundraiser billed as "a private meeting with Tom DeLay." Three days earlier, a Texans for a Republican Majority staffer had e-mailed three other DeLay associates to ask for the list.

"Have that on the ground in Austin for T.D.," he wrote.

The 11 lobbyists and executives on the roster had an ambitious wish list in Austin and Washington. Among them were representatives of the chemical industry, a wheelchair distributor and a powerful Texas law firm with strong ties to the GOP.

A database analysis shows that between 2000 and 2004, the groups represented that day gave at least $323,000 to DeLay's campaigns or political committees, including $77,500 to Texans for a Republican Majority.

None of that money was donated at the meeting itself, and the donations were just a tiny portion of the millions DeLay has helped raise in recent years to dispense to conservative politicians through an innovative operation that has given him rare power in Washington and Texas.

But the roster of attendees, DeLay's interest in the event and the ensuing donations do illuminate the private world where DeLay builds his political base.

The fundraiser was one of several similar events described in GOP activists' files, which were subpoenaed in a lawsuit brought by five Democratic candidates here.

Watchdog groups say the documents suggest that DeLay's involvement in the committee — which he founded in 2001 using $50,000 provided by a parallel group he had run for years in Washington, Americans for a Republican Majority — was deeper than he has acknowledged.

In one August 2002 e-mail, for instance, a DeLay fundraiser asked a fellow aide for a "top 10 list" of potential donors to Texans for a Republican Majority. The e-mail said DeLay would personally contact certain prospects. Another exchange suggested that two donor checks would be delivered to DeLay himself.

Fred Lewis, director of Campaigns for People, an Austin group that tries to reduce the influence of money on government, said it was telling that during the fundraising drive that summer, DeLay was cited as a donor draw.

"Now that there are scandals, it turns out he wasn't involved," Lewis said. "Both can't be true. I find it almost comical…. The evidence is overwhelming that he was much more involved than what they say."

DeLay's representatives have denied that the congressman handled checks personally. In an interview, his Washington lawyer, Bobby Burchfield, said DeLay had no control over how donations were accepted or how money was spent.

Critics "want to get rid of Tom DeLay, and they make no bones about it," Burchfield said. "Anything can appear improper to someone who is looking for a problem. There is nothing that violates legal standards or recognized standards of ethics here."

Late last month, a Texas judge ruled that the treasurer of Texans for a Republican Majority broke the law when he failed to report $532,233 in corporate money raised during the 2002 campaign. The ruling came in the lawsuit brought by Democratic Party candidates who lost that year.

The elections of 2002 were pivotal for Texas Republicans, who — using, in part, $1.5 million raised by Texans for a Republican Majority — took control of the governor's mansion and both chambers of the Legislature.

At DeLay's urging, Texas lawmakers used their clout to draw new congressional district maps. Those maps produced a six-seat swing in the Texas congressional delegation last year, shoring up the GOP majority in Congress.

Democrats and campaign finance watchdog groups have alleged wrongdoing, largely because about a third of the money raised by Texans for a Republican Majority — founded by DeLay in 2001 — came from corporations. Texas law bans corporate contributions to legislative candidates.

The dispute over whether the corporate money was used illegally in the election has prompted several lawsuits, and a prosecutor in Austin is conducting a criminal investigation.

Three of DeLay's political aides have been indicted on charges of money laundering and of unlawfully accepting and soliciting corporate contributions.

DeLay has neither been named as a defendant nor charged with a crime, but prosecutors have not ruled out charging him. The details of his involvement in Texans for a Republican Majority will be important to determining whether prosecutors or Democrats' lawyers attempt to hold him personally liable for the fundraising operation.

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DeLay was "substantially" involved in Texans for a Republican Majority, "from its founding to the raising of money to figuring out how it would be spent," said Craig McDonald, director of Texans for Public Justice, a nonpartisan group in Austin that also fights the influence of money in politics.

"He was involved in helping to raise corporate funds. Those are essentially the same activities that [Texans for a Republican Majority] staff has been indicted for."

DeLay is closely aligned with several of the lobbying groups represented at the July 2002 fundraiser.

One attendee was Austin lawyer R. Kinnan Golemon, a lobbyist for oil and chemical companies and general counsel of the Texas Chemical Council. Golemon represents, among others, Koch Industries, a privately held Kansas firm that owns a host of petroleum, chemical, energy and finance companies.

Koch is a prominent manufacturer of MTBE, a gasoline additive that has been found in drinking water. DeLay has been a key player in the effort to grant chemical companies immunity from liability associated with MTBE contamination.

Koch and one of its executives, according to financial disclosure forms, have donated $17,500 to DeLay's last two campaigns and, since 2001, $63,500 to Americans for a Republican Majority.

It does not appear from Texas Ethics Commission records that Golemon represents Koch anymore.

Another attendee was Terral Smith, a former Texas legislator, onetime legislative director to then-Gov. George W. Bush and, at the time of the fundraiser, a lobbyist for the powerful Texas law firm Locke Liddell & Sapp. The firm has given at least $14,000 to DeLay's campaigns and committees since 2001.

A prominent Locke Liddell lawyer, Andy Taylor, advised Texans for a Republican Majority and an affiliated group, the Texas Assn. of Business, during the 2002 campaign.

Later, when Republican leaders in Texas launched their effort to draw new congressional district maps, Atty. Gen. Greg Abbott hired Taylor to defend the GOP plan in court. Taylor's bill came to $772,399.

At the time, one Democratic lawmaker asked why the attorney general had allowed "Tom DeLay's attorney to draw the map for the state of Texas."

Taylor has since left Locke Liddell.

Watchdog groups say the connections support their belief that DeLay was more directly involved than he has acknowledged.

Burchfield, DeLay's lawyer, called that contention absurd — and naive.

"Whenever a politician shows up for a fundraiser, there are going to be people there that have interests in the government," he said. "If they didn't, they wouldn't be attending a political fundraiser. There is no evidence whatsoever that any of these people were contributing money or otherwise acting in an improper way to get any sort of quid pro quo."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/na...eadlines-nation
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(davisął @ Jun 12 2005, 06:57 AM)
"Whenever a politician shows up for a fundraiser, there are going to be people there that have interests in the government," he said. "If they didn't, they wouldn't be attending a political fundraiser. There is no evidence whatsoever that any of these people were contributing money or otherwise acting in an improper way to get any sort of quid pro quo."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/na...eadlines-nation
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Quid pro quo is not the issue. All of the $500k in corporate politcal contrubutions were illegal under state law.
Bee
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Jun 12 2005, 09:55 AM)
Quid pro quo is not the issue. All of the $500k in corporate politcal contrubutions were illegal under state law.
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It's not the narrow issue.

It is the larger one.
davisął
Lobbyist's Brother Guided House Bill
# A family member's ties to special interests raise questions in the case of Democrat John Murtha.

By Ken Silverstein and Richard Simon, Times Staff Writers

WASHINGTON — When Congress passed the $417-billion Pentagon spending bill last year, Rep. John P. Murtha, the top Democrat on the House defense appropriations subcommittee, boasted about the money he secured to create jobs in his Pennsylvania district.

But the bill Murtha helped write also benefited at least 10 companies represented by a lobbying firm where his brother, Robert "Kit" Murtha, is a senior partner, according to disclosure records, interviews and an analysis of the bill by The Times.

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Clients of the lobbying firm KSA Consulting — whose top officials also include former congressional aide Carmen V. Scialabba, who worked for Rep. Murtha for 27 years — received a total of $20.8 million from the bill.

One of the clients, a small Arkansas maker of military vehicles, received $1.7 million, triple its total sales for 2004. Several other clients received money that represented more than half of their annual sales from last year.

KSA directly lobbied the congressman's office on behalf of seven companies that received money from the bill, records and interviews show. Among those clients, a firm based in Maryland received one of the larger individual awards, $4.2 million.

And a defense contractor based in Pennsylvania said he hired KSA on the recommendation of a top aide of the congressman.

Disclosure of Kit Murtha's ties to the lobbying firm prompted criticism from Keith Ashdown of Taxpayers for Common Sense, a nonpartisan Washington watchdog group that tracks government spending.

"Family members lobbying family members is becoming an all-too-common phenomenon on Capitol Hill," he said. "What's even more troubling is that decisions about defense dollars are being made at family reunions rather than the halls of Congress."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/na...-home-headlines
SpaceCowboy
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Cunningham defends deal with defense firm's owner
By Marcus Stern
COPLEY NEWS SERVICE

June 12, 2005

Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, R-Escondido
WASHINGTON – A defense contractor with ties to Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham took a $700,000 loss on the purchase of the congressman's Del Mar house while the congressman, a member of the influential defense appropriations subcommittee, was supporting the contractor's efforts to get tens of millions of dollars in contracts from the Pentagon.

Mitchell Wade bought the San Diego Republican's house for $1,675,000 in November 2003 and put it back on the market almost immediately for roughly the same price. But the Del Mar house languished unsold and vacant for 261 days before selling for $975,000.

Meanwhile, Cunningham used the proceeds of the $1,675,000 sale to buy a $2.55 million house in Rancho Santa Fe. And Wade, who had been suffering through a flat period in winning Pentagon contracts, was on a tear – reeling in tens of millions of dollars in defense and intelligence-related contracts.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politic...12windfall.html


Oh, well. It was only $700,000.

Grigorii
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Jun 13 2005, 08:51 AM)
Oh, well. It was only $700,000.
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Cunningham and Wade would be jailed in a country were the rule of law and equal justice prevailed they are crooks of the highest order feeding on the national treasury.
davisął
Ethics/Values in politics (or the lack of) This would be the lack of part.


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Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, R-Escondido
WASHINGTON – A defense contractor with ties to Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham took a $700,000 loss on the purchase of the congressman's Del Mar house while the congressman, a member of the influential defense appropriations subcommittee, was supporting the contractor's efforts to get tens of millions of dollars in contracts from the Pentagon.


And Democrats have whored themselves out so much they can hardly even bring stuff like this up. Time to clean house.
Grigorii
QUOTE(davisął @ Jun 13 2005, 09:35 AM)
Ethics/Values in politics (or the lack of) This would be the lack of part.

And Democrats have whored themselves out so much they can hardly even bring stuff like this up. Time to clean house.

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Top to bottom, both parties...corporate whores all...
davisął
QUOTE(Grigorii @ Jun 13 2005, 10:40 AM)
Top to bottom, both parties...corporate whores all...
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There may be one or two ..... naaaah ... unless they haven't had time to set up in the network, clean em out. hold them accountable. Let's have an ethics war!!
Bee
"Whore" is probably too polite a term.

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GoBigrGoHome
Whores at least have SOME ethics...I mean, they STILL don't KISS, do they?? ohmy.gif
Bee
I really wouldn't know.

BIG!! smile.gif Feling better?
GoBigrGoHome
Much better bee...thanks for asking.

I'll be back in the gym tonight...can't wait!!
Bee
QUOTE(GoBigrGoHome @ Jun 13 2005, 01:06 PM)
Much better bee...thanks for asking.

I'll be back in the gym tonight...can't wait!!
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Now, now. Don't overdo
GoBigrGoHome
HEY!! I really do know what I'm doing...I knew what I was chancing with my diet...but THIS is different. I'll be going slow on the weights, but the cardio is necessary to help regulate fats and sugars properly. I do still want to eat, and if I want to eat, I MUST do cardio...but I am going to start lifting a bit too...doc is in agreement.

;-)
Bee
QUOTE(GoBigrGoHome @ Jun 13 2005, 01:44 PM)
HEY!! I really do know what I'm doing...I knew what I was chancing with my diet...but THIS is different.  I'll be going slow on the weights, but the cardio is necessary to help regulate fats and sugars properly.  I do still want to eat, and if I want to eat, I MUST do cardio...but I am going to start lifting a bit too...doc is in agreement.

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I'm sure you know what you're doing.

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Just don't push it. OK?
GoBigrGoHome
I know, I know! SHEESH! What are you, talking to my WIFE!!??!!

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Bee
QUOTE(GoBigrGoHome @ Jun 13 2005, 02:10 PM)
I know, I know!  SHEESH!  What are you, talking to my WIFE!!??!!

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Maybeeee
Bart Katz
QUOTE(GoBigrGoHome @ Jun 13 2005, 12:06 PM)
Much better bee...thanks for asking.

I'll be back in the gym tonight...can't wait!!
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Hey Big. Hope you're doing better. Getting things leveled out? smile.gif
GoBigrGoHome
Working on it Bart...took me years to screw things up, so I imagine it'll take another week or two to get them all leveled out, but everything's heading the right direction.

Thanks for asking!
celtcahill
Good to hear.
GoBigrGoHome
Whatever celt...Hey, one thing I really would like to know...your opinion on this...triglycerides of 7,200+...amylase 520...and all other blood work running concurrent...how outta whack is THAT?!?!

I dunno celt, but I think a person could TRY LIKE HELL to screw things up and STILL not be able to blow things THAT out of proportion, EH!?!?

Sheesh! And to think I preached the sins of this stuff to folks and, well, you know...
inyerface
President George W. Bush keeps the lies flowing with the comfortable assurance that, even when he's caught red-handed with documented evidence of his deceptions, he can just shrug, lie again, and most in the American media will let him get away with it.

http://www.niagarafallsreporter.com/gallagher218.html

USA Today, the nation's largest-circulation daily newspaper, finally got around to mentioning the memo last Wednesday, following the Bush-Blair joint news conference. The headline read "'Downing Street Memo' Gets Fresh Attention." How about any attention at all?

In the article, reporter Mark Memmott wrote, "A simmering controversy over whether American media have ignored a secret British memo about how President Bush built his case for war with Iraq bubbled over into the White House on Tuesday." What controversy?

There is no question the American media ignored the report.
GoBigrGoHome
Whatever inyer says, I know I can take up the opposite side of the argument, and I'll be right enough of the time that no other choice really should have been made to begin with!
davisął
DeLay fund gets $400G for legal expenses

JESSE J. HOLLAND

Associated Press

WASHINGTON - House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, accepted more than $400,000 in donations last year to help fight the various ethical allegations against him, but still owes three law firms at least $125,000 for his ongoing legal expenses.

Financial disclosure forms released Wednesday show that the Texas Republican took in $439,300 in contributions to his legal expense fund in 2004, when questions first arose about his ties to a lobbyist under federal criminal investigation, Jack Abramoff. Other reports show that $254,250 of those contributions came to DeLay's legal defense fund during the last three months of 2004.

He still owes three law firms between $125,003 and $315,000 combined for his legal expenses, and three major companies who have in the past given to his fund - American Airlines, Verizon and Nissan North America Inc. - have said they will no longer contribute.

Critics have been calling for closer scrutiny of some of DeLay's overseas travel, including trips that included Abramoff, and other ties to Abramoff. One of those trips included South Korea in 2001, but officials have said he did not realize the organization that paid for the journey had registered as a foreign agent two days before the traveling party left the United States.

DeLay has strenuously denied any wrongdoing and said he wants to appear before the House ethics committee to clear himself.

DeLay reported no overseas trips in 2004, but noted several trips around the country including a trip to Palm Springs, Calif., paid for by the Barbara Sinatra Children's Center and one to Miami paid for by his own nonprofit Foundation for Kids.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/n...cs/11901041.htm
davisął
House GOP defends DeLay, rejects NASA cut

ANDREW TAYLOR

Associated Press

WASHINGTON - House Republicans beat back a Democratic challenge Tuesday to Majority Leader Tom DeLay, defeating an effort to cut $200 million from NASA's Moon-Mars initiative and spend the money instead to aid local police.

By a 230-196 vote, the House rejected an amendment by Rep. David Obey, D-Wis., to transfer $200 million from the space agency to two Clinton-era grant programs that President Bush wants to phase out.

The Justice Department programs are favorites of lawmakers because they provide help for local initiatives to combat methamphetamine, fund anti-gang programs and provide new equipment to hometown police departments.

DeLay's Houston district is home to the Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center. After a House subcommittee last year slashed NASA's budget by $1 billion, DeLay forced negotiators to restore the money, then set about abolishing the subcommittee and spreading its jurisdiction over NASA, the Environmental Protection Agency, housing and veterans' programs among other panels.

"Mr. DeLay didn't like that arrangement, so he abolished that subcommittee," Obey, the House Appropriations Committee's senior Democrat, said Tuesday.

Obey said any potential mission to Mars is decades away. Helping local law enforcement agencies is a more pressing need, he said.

DeLay countered that NASA research had produced many technological breakthroughs that led to magnetic resonance imaging, portable X-ray machines and satellites.

"What future technological breakthroughs will we miss out on in the next 40 years if we start cutting back on NASA now?" DeLay asked.

For his part, Bush proposed eliminating $1.5 billion in Justice Department programs, mostly grants programs for state and local law enforcement agencies, saying they are ineffective and a lower priority than counterterrorism grants and reducing the deficit. The underlying bill would restore all but $406 million of the Bush-proposed cuts.

The bill provides NASA with all the $16.5 billion Bush requested, an almost 2 percent increase over this year.

The imbroglio last year over the NASA budget was a major reason why DeLay insisted upon a significant overhaul of the Appropriations Committee earlier this year. Incoming Chairman Jerry Lewis, R-Calif., who won his post with help from DeLay, eliminated the subcommittee responsible for NASA's budget and scattered its responsibilities among other panels.

In a victory for states bordering Mexico, lawmakers approved by a 231-195 vote an amendment to add $50 million - a 14 percent boost - to a Justice Department program that reimburses states for the jail costs of undocumented immigrants that break state and local laws. The victory came at the expense of coastal state supporters of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, whose budget was cut to pay for the increase.

The underlying spending bill contains $57.5 billion in funding within Congress' control for NASA and the Commerce, Justice and State departments.

The bill cuts Bush's request for the State Department by $251 million to $9 billion as part of lawmakers' moves to trim his requests for defense and foreign aid-related spending to restore Bush-proposed cuts in domestic programs.

The FBI would receive a 10 percent budget increase, to $5.7 billion.


http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/n...cs/11894993.htm
GoBigrGoHome
Oh my, my, MY...you mean DEMOCRATS don't use this same type of action to protect THEIR constituents?

BULLSHIT!!!

You only gripe when Reps do it...Remember dude, they're ALL up to no good, Dems and Reps!
davisął
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You only gripe when Reps do it...Remember dude, they're ALL up to no good, Dems and Reps!


Republicans have a lock on DC. Republicans have a lock on DC. Republicans have a lock on DC.

Republicans wrote the Contract With America. Republicans run the show.



I voted Nader in 2000 because Democrats had lost their credibility.

Republicans are worse than the Democrats.

GoBigrGoHome
You voted Nader?!?!

You're way damned dumber than I ever gave you credit for dude!!
davisął
QUOTE(GoBigrGoHome @ Jun 16 2005, 11:03 AM)
You voted Nader?!?!

You're way damned dumber than I ever gave you credit for dude!!
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What's with you? Have a need for hate and a fight?

Well, I'll tell ya big, I'm tired of it. This place is becoming a freak show.

I have no need to trade barbs with you any more.

Have a nice one.
GoBigrGoHome
You know what they say davis...don't go away mad...
Friend Judy
Why shouldn't he, Big? He's correct in noting that you've been trying to pick a fight with someone (who doesn't seem to matter) for two days.
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Jun 16 2005, 12:23 PM)
Why shouldn't he, Big?  He's correct in noting that you've been trying to pick a fight with someone (who doesn't seem to matter) for two days.
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Celtie already made his bed with his fat lefty mouth. Now he doesn't want to lie in it? Tough shit. rolleyes.gif
GoBigrGoHome
No Judy...I have NOT been trying to pick a fight with "someone" the past two days...just celt, and then Davis stuck his tongue in it. I don't have any real problem with either of them...I just think celt needs his fat ass checked, and davis along with some others seem to want to stick their face in the middle of my designated stink bombs to celt and get all bent out of shape about it. Celt asked for it...and if davis comes at me because of it, he asked for it too!
Repub_Bub
QUOTE(davisął @ Jun 16 2005, 04:18 PM)
This place is becoming a freak show.

Surely you don't object... where else could you find so much virtually free entertainment from such a distinct set of individuals?
GoBigrGoHome
Davis took his li'l ball and went home...wuttawuss!
Bee
QUOTE(GoBigrGoHome @ Jun 16 2005, 07:23 PM)
Davis took his li'l ball and went home...wuttawuss!
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Biggie, what did celt or davis do?

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and how're you feeling?
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