But you're talking specifics, when I was referring to the more general.

So "everybody does it"?

Why don't you point out a specific scandal, and I'll comment on it.

he'll probably bring up dems vote cheating.

For now only DeLay matters. My wild guess is when Democrats get back in the power worries about justice will change significantly. Prosecution will be persecution once again.

so we know that delay will get off quicker than kennyboy lay but could it be that the reich was just a little too hasty in outing Plame and didnt do their due diligance in seeking out the loophole gray areas?

So you're going to help make the list?

why would I need to? I'm sure y'all have a massive black list database already made up.

It's not like they aren't all over the place on these boards. I'm not going back to all of them so that you MIGHT decide to comment. Sandy Burglar, Louis Freeh, Hillary's campaign, Bill's impeachement, taping Newt illegally, Earle jury shopping.

I can't tell you what to think or comment on.

OK, here you go, a comment: I consider them all immorall and unethical, disapprove of them all, and have never defended a single one of them.

I like Chuck Grassley ®. He's ethical, honest and cute when he's mad. His little face skrinches up and turns red. And his voice gets squeaky.

You didn't dissapprove either. Most passed by sans comment.

Like I said, you have a right to be selective on your rants, just don't pretend the rest of us don't have to right to similar treatment.

I don't like the fact I have to be one of the few pointing out things in DeLay's favor, but if you want a fair "trial", people have to point out both sides.

I hope your hubby doesn't find out.

Fair trial?? He should be hung.

He knows. Thinks I'm nuts.

He's right.

I still think Grassley's cute. He should be the Republican candidate next time. Bring honor and ethics back to the White House.

Yeah, who needs fair trials?

Chavez of Venezuela?

Is he on trial? I know since he's buddies with North Korea protecting him's a major concern of yours

Do you respect him because he was a coup member when none of your boys had the balls to try and pull one off?

No. I simply know for a fact that republicans are complete liars and cannot be trusted in the least. Chavez would be the nobody he is and have his own problems to deal with if the greedy fascists werent giving him power and reason with our real enemies in the world.

With "friends" like anthrax repuslickans who needs enemies?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,171382,00.html

The Democratic Senate Campaign Committee is still paying the legal bills for two staffers who illegally obtained credit information on Maryland's Lieutenant Governor and possible Republican Senate candidate — Michael Steele (search).

Researchers Katie Barge and Lauren Weiner resigned last month after using a social security number reportedly obtained from court documents to access Steele's personal credit report, which constitutes a federal crime. New York Senator Charles Schumer (search), the DSCC chairman who co-authored an identity protection bill earlier this year, has denied any knowledge of his staffers' activities.

Meanwhile, The New York Times has yet to publish a word on the story involving the state's senior senator.

Hell, you even stuck up for that scum-sucking pig during the Shaivo case. You don't like? Bullshit. You love it and him.

If they're leebraaaals or Democrats you're for immediate arrest, conviction and incarceration. If it's a rightwinger he can do whatever the fuck he wants, there's always an excuse handy for THEM.

You are transparent.

You got you wish and they starved her without another hearing. What else do you want. Mike married his sweetheart and is writing a book. Everyone's happy.

I'm sure dave will say that it was none of his, or yours, or any one elses business.

Jeez. When was the last time a spy that worked for the so-called vice president was caught stealing sh_t out of the WH?


Or is this something as unprecedented as the so-called president being appointed by the so-called scotus?

Perhaps Sherry just means the little gutter snipe should be better endowed...

Repub_Bub, et al,

What does it mean to be a "Republican?


(COMMENT)

Does it mean that we promote circumventing the law? Does it mean that the spirit and intent of the law means nothing relative to the Party?

Do we owe allegence to the Party above all elese? Or does it mean we owe our allegence to our nation and its laws?

Maybe I don't belong in the Republican Party if it means that the spirit and intent of the law means nothing if it obstructs the furtherance of the Party. Maybe I should not belong to the Party if it means that the Party is above the spirit and intent of the law.

What is the ethical stance the party holds? Does it abridge every law in the name of the party? Is that the ethical foundation of the Repbulican Party?

Most Respectfully,

That probably is true, since we appear to have the better looking women!

no to be a republican means that you claim moral superiority while being complete thieving liars as well as supposedly being "conservative" and browbeating the "tax and spend" democrats while beating the former record holder (reagan) at running up massive defecits.

Oh and I cant forget that they pretend to be for states rights and smaller federal government but acting the complete opposite.

Last but not least to be a republican you have to pretend to be christian.

"They said you was hung"

"And they was right"

I thought you disapproved of logical fallacies (emotional appeals)...

How do you figure?

In any case, there's no disputing (about) tastes.

Neither one of us will change our politics to get better looking women, I hope.

Dems seek outsider for Abramoff probe



WASHINGTON — Two Democratic congressmen yesterday called for appointment of an outside special counsel to investigate whether lobbyist Jack Abramoff played a role in the demotion of a U.S. attorney in Guam who was investigating him.

Reps. John Conyers Jr., D-Mich., and George Miller, D-Calif., cited what they called evidence of "political manipulation" in a letter to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. They also questioned whether Abramoff might have had unauthorized access to classified documents relating to national-security concerns in Guam and the Northern Mariana Islands, where the once-powerful lobbyist had several clients. Abramoff, through his spokesman Andrew Blum, declined to comment. A Justice Department spokesman said the request would be reviewed.

Abramoff is the subject of investigations by a Senate committee and a federal grand jury on charges related to his multimillion-dollar lobbying efforts for Indian tribes with casino operations. He recently was indicted in Florida on unrelated fraud charges stemming from the purchase of a fleet of floating casinos. He has entered a not-guilty plea in that case.

Frederick Black, the longtime acting U.S. attorney for Guam and the Northern Marianas, was removed from office in late 2002 after starting an investigation of a deal between Abramoff and Guam court officials. The investigation subsequently was dropped.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nati...06_watch07.html

Repub_Bub,

Yes, you are quite right.


(COMMENT)

The interrogatives that you refer to are just that, "questions" gone unanswered. They are not statements of belief or fact.

It is the answers to the questions that opens the debate on the ethical platform operating behind the Republican Party.

Can a Republican be criticized for being a "Bad Republican" if they advocate that the party should follow the "spirit and intent" of the law?

This is a binary question (answer range is either "yes" or "no"). It sets the foundation for the syllogism starting with a true premise.

Most Respectfully,

Do you not find a wee bit of a disconnect here?

suspected terrorists.

bushco

very weak...

I don't think hardball is unethical. The game has rules, the players make the rules to somehow get an advantage for their own side, and sometimes they do a piss poor job of it. When somebody exploits a loophole, their response is "well, you know what I meant."

That's weak

Lawrence Franklin.


Pentagon Analyst Pleads Guilty in Spy Case

By MATTHEW BARAKAT
The Associated Press
Wednesday, October 5, 2005; 8:03 PM

ALEXANDRIA, Va. -- A top Pentagon analyst pleaded guilty Wednesday to giving classified information to an Israeli diplomat and members of a pro-Israel lobbying group, saying he did it because he was frustrated with U.S. government policy.

Lawrence A. Franklin, 58, a policy analyst whose expertise included Iran and Iraq, pleaded guilty to three felony counts as part of a plea bargain. In exchange, federal prosecutors dropped three other felony charges.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...5100501920.html

David Safavian

Procurement chief indicted for lying


David Safavian, former chief of White House procurement policy, was indicted yesterday on five counts of lying about his dealings with former Republican lobbyist Jack Abramoff and impeding a Senate investigation of him.

The indictment accuses Safavian, who previously served as chief of staff for the General Services Administration (GSA), of falsely telling GSA officials Abramoff had no dealings with the agency at a time in 2002, the government alleges, that Abramoff was seeking to obtain use of two GSA properties with Safavian's assistance.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nati...758_ndig06.html

Jack Abramoff


Dems seek outsider for Abramoff probe


WASHINGTON — Two Democratic congressmen yesterday called for appointment of an outside special counsel to investigate whether lobbyist Jack Abramoff played a role in the demotion of a U.S. attorney in Guam who was investigating him.

Reps. John Conyers Jr., D-Mich., and George Miller, D-Calif., cited what they called evidence of "political manipulation" in a letter to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. They also questioned whether Abramoff might have had unauthorized access to classified documents relating to national-security concerns in Guam and the Northern Mariana Islands, where the once-powerful lobbyist had several clients. Abramoff, through his spokesman Andrew Blum, declined to comment. A Justice Department spokesman said the request would be reviewed.

Abramoff is the subject of investigations by a Senate committee and a federal grand jury on charges related to his multimillion-dollar lobbying efforts for Indian tribes with casino operations. He recently was indicted in Florida on unrelated fraud charges stemming from the purchase of a fleet of floating casinos. He has entered a not-guilty plea in that case.

Frederick Black, the longtime acting U.S. attorney for Guam and the Northern Marianas, was removed from office in late 2002 after starting an investigation of a deal between Abramoff and Guam court officials. The investigation subsequently was dropped.

http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/...&query=abramoff

Tom Delay


DeLay statements raise new questions
His assertions, and his lawyer's, have apparently changed this week
By R.G. RATCLIFFE

AUSTIN - Statements by U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay and his lawyer, as well as documents in a civil lawsuit, raise questions about when he knew a Texas political committee he founded sent $190,000 in corporate money to the Republican National Committee.

The donation is at the center of indictments returned against DeLay on Monday accusing him of conspiracy to violate state election laws, money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering. DeLay says nothing about the transaction was illegal.

A key point in the case revolves around what DeLay learned at an Oct. 2, 2002, meeting with his political director, Jim Ellis, and what DeLay told Travis County prosecutors this past August.

The indictments allege that the DeLay-founded Texans for a Republican Majority sent corporate money that could not be spent in Texas campaigns to the RNC in exchange for $190,000 in noncorporate donations for seven legislative candidates.

The transaction allegedly was arranged by Ellis, director of DeLay's Americans for a Republican Majority, who also has been indicted.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/m...politan/3386125

yeah well billary might still run for prez!

Manuel Miranda stole 4,000 Democrat memos..


Frist aide resigns amid probe into leaked memos

Monday, February 9, 2004 Posted: 2:28 PM EST (1928 GMT)


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- An aide to Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist has resigned amid an investigation into how GOP staff members obtained confidential Democratic memos that outlined strategy for defeating President Bush's judicial nominees.

"I have departed so as not to distract the leader from pursuing a needed legislative agenda for the American people," Frist aide Manuel Miranda said in a statement Friday.

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, began a probe in November after complaints from Democratic senators about the leaked memos.

Democrats were outraged because their documents were distributed to various media outlets and reporters.

In addition to resigning Friday, Miranda also filed a Senate ethics complaint alleging "public corruption" by Democratic senators and staff, The Associated Press reported.

"My departure will also allow me to speak freely and seek to return the focus of the Hatch investigation where it should have stayed -- on the substance of the Democrat documents themselves and the abuse of the public trust that they spell out, both the few that are public and the many that remain unpublished and are now in the possession of the sergeant at arms," Miranda's resignation statement said.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/09/staffer.resigns/

Bill Frist.



Phone conversation raises allegations of influence peddling between senators

JEFFREY McMURRAY, Associated Press Writer

Wednesday, May 14, 2003



(05-14) 16:40 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) --

Georgia Sen. Saxby Chambliss thought he was chatting privately with Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist when he asked for help in securing an appointment for a rich GOP donor who raised "a chunk of money for me."

Little did he know Frist had allowed a reporter to listen in and his story would spark allegations by Democrats that the two GOP lawmakers were "selling ambassadorships to the highest bidder."

At issue is a passage from a lengthy profile of Frist, published in Sunday's New York Times Magazine. It details a phone call the Tennessee Republican made to an unidentified junior senator to ask him to deliver the annual George Washington Farewell Address.

Chambliss' staff acknowledged Wednesday the quotes in the article belong to him.

Chambliss agreed to give the commemorative Washington speech. Before hanging up, Chambliss asks for Frist's support in appointing a friend and Republican donor to an ambassadorship to an economic development organization.

"He has lots of dollar figures down there?" Frist asks.

"That's exactly right," Chambliss said. "And he did raise a chunk of money for me."

"All right," Frist said. "You're a good man."

Chambliss' spokeswoman, Angie Lundberg, said the senator didn't know there was a reporter in the room. Although the comments were accurately quoted, Lundberg said, they shouldn't be perceived as an attempt to trade influence for political donations.

"Someone's political activities may or may not be one of several factors for these positions," Lundberg said.

But the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee pounced at the opportunity to accuse Republicans of peddling influence.

"Perhaps Senator Chambliss ought to pick up the phone and try to do something to help all Georgians, not just those who can afford to pay for access," said DSCC spokesman Brad Woodhouse.

Lundberg said she didn't know the status of the would-be ambassador's appointment and declined to name the person. Calls Wednesday to Frist's office weren't immediately returned.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...1940EDT0820.DTL

Saxby Chambliss.