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Friend Judy
QUOTE(Brian_Lambchops @ Oct 12 2005, 08:23 PM)
You know the world's turned upside down when lefties are against treason.

Color me skeptical.
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And that, of course, wasn't a personal attack, and certainly wasn't meant to imply that anyone here favors treason.
judy
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Brian_Lambchops
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Oct 12 2005, 08:14 PM)
And that, of course, wasn't a personal attack, and certainly wasn't meant to imply that anyone here favors treason.
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Calling somebody stupid is a personal attack. It doesn't bother me, but in any universe "color you stupid" is a personal attack.

Since I was promoted to recruit I figure I can handle the pugil stick drill.
davis¹³
QUOTE(Brian_Lambchops @ Oct 12 2005, 10:27 PM)
Calling somebody stupid is a personal attack. It doesn't bother me, but in any universe "color you stupid" is a personal attack.

Since I was promoted to recruit I figure I can handle the pugil stick drill.
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Imply liberals are traitors again and you'll get a worse response. Color you unbelievable.
Arturo_Vandelay
Only lefties are allowed to make blanket allegations. Noobs need to learn the rules.
davis¹³
SEC Issues Subpoena To Frist, Sources Say
Records Sought On Sale of Stock

By Carrie Johnson and Jeffrey H. Birnbaum
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, October 13, 2005; Page A01

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) has been subpoenaed to turn over personal records and documents as federal authorities step up a probe of his July sales of HCA Inc. stock, according to sources familiar with the investigation.

The Securities and Exchange Commission issued the subpoena within the past two weeks, after initial reports that Frist, the Senate's top Republican official, was under scrutiny by the agency and the Justice Department for possible violations of insider trading laws.


Frist aides previously said he had been contacted by regulators but did not mention that the lawmaker had received a formal request for documents. The sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the investigation, said Frist is expected to testify under oath about what he knew about the company's health in the weeks before he sold stock. Frist has told reporters that he did nothing wrong and that he directed the sale to eliminate potential conflicts as he considered a 2008 presidential bid.


The formal request for documents usually presages an acceleration of a federal probe. In Frist's case, regulators had to proceed with caution due to his status in Congress and their mutual desire to avoid triggering constitutional objections to the release of documents. The disclosure of the subpoena comes as Democrats blasted Frist anew for his financial and personal ties to Hospital Corporation of America, a Nashville chain founded in 1968 by his father and his brother, Thomas Frist Jr. Critics yesterday seized on a report that Frist held a substantial amount of his family's hospital stock outside of blind trusts between 1998 and 2002 -- a time when he asserted he did not know how much of the stock he owned.

The Associated Press reported on Tuesday that Frist earned tens of thousands of dollars from HCA stock in a partnership controlled by his brother, outside of the blind trusts he created to avoid a conflict of interest.

"It seems that for years, Frist may have misled his constituents and the American people about his health care industry stock holdings and the conflict of interest they created as he drafted our nation's health care policy," said Democratic National Committee Communications Director Karen Finney. "This deal raises even more questions about the Republican culture of corruption in Washington, D.C."

During his decade in the Senate, Frist has been active in shaping health care policy, including creation of a Medicare prescription drug benefit.

Republican ethics lawyer Jan W. Baran also scored Frist for his handling of his trusts. "This shows Senator Frist's capacity for clumsiness and bad timing," Baran said. "He was trying to insulate himself from political charges and now finds himself trying to defend himself because of the transparency of his holdings."

The subpoena for documents related to the July stock sales was written carefully to avoid asking for documents related directly to Frist's legislative actions, according to sources. By keeping the request focused on his personal activities, experts said, the SEC avoided raising objections from Senate lawyers who might otherwise have fought the request on the grounds of constitutional separation of powers.

The wording in the subpoena also ensured that Frist did not have to tell colleagues about the document request or to otherwise involve them in the investigation, congressional aides said.

The executive branch is prohibited from seeking documents or testimony that relate to "legislative acts and the motivation for the performance of legislative acts," said Kenneth Gross of Skadden Arps, an ethics law expert. The ban is part of what is called the Constitution's "speech and debate" clause, which insulates Congress from unwarranted intrusions by the executive branch of government. Writing a subpoena that does not run afoul of the clause -- and also possibly trigger a public disclosure of the subpoena -- required careful work.

"There are some gray areas, clearly, and it could be tricky," said Baran, of Wiley Rein & Fielding. Members of the House of Representatives must disclose to the full House when they are subpoenaed. The Senate has its own rules that sometimes require the body to deal with subpoenas, experts say, but the Frist subpoena apparently has not triggered any of them.

A spokesman for Frist said yesterday: "As we have indicated, Senator Frist has been fully cooperating with the authorities conducting the inquiries and will continue to do so, including keeping our public comments to a minimum. The issuance of a subpoena would be an expected and normal part of that process."

Within days of Frist's July stock sale, HCA warned investors about weaker-than-expected financial performance, which sent the stock price spiraling downward by 9 percent in one day. Frist may have begun the process of selling the stock April 29, months before the company's troubles were clear, according to e-mail messages between the Tennessee Republican, his chief counsel and his personal accountant that were reviewed by The Washington Post.

Former SEC enforcement chief and retired federal judge Stanley Sporkin said the agency has a "rich history" of probing officials at the highest level -- from Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas to Carter administration budget chief Bert Lance.

SEC Chairman Christopher Cox, a former House GOP member from California, has removed himself from hearing evidence on or voting on the case, citing his ties to Frist.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...5101202286.html


I hear these jerks acting like they are trying to find improper behavior and it makes me laugh. Frist was busted red handed by a reporter when he was talking about trading ambassadorships for campaign contributions, INFLUENCE PEDDLING, with Saxby Chamblis of Georgia. Caught red handed committing a felony and no one says shit. What a corrupt joke Frist is, a common criminal.
SherryB
I wish he could serve his time at that prison out west where they have to sleep in tents in the desert and wear pink underwear. laugh.gif
Mizilus
Did I hear a bushlovin reich winger belittling treason against our nation (again)?
Repub_Bub
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CharlieRay
QUOTE(judy @ Oct 12 2005, 06:01 PM)
YES!
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Do you know who/where is the "New Babylon"?
SherryB
You got me CharlieRay, I had to look it up, from the series written by the two really rich (now) guys making mega bucks on religion. They were interviewed by Time or Newsweek last year. When they give all their money to the poor and give away their faith and not sell it, I may read what they have to say. smile.gif



New Babylon is currently a fictional city depicted in the popular Left Behind series. Although the city is fictional, the term is also used to refer to the rebuilt ancient city of Babylon, as depicted in the Bible.



ew Babylon in Left Behind
Spoiler warning: Plot or ending details follow.

Background
In the twinkling of a eye, millions of people all over the world simply vanish. Those left behind are left to search for answers and clues to what has really happend. Airline Captain Rayford Steele arrives home after nearly 1/3 of the passengers in a Chicago-London 747 flight vanish while he is piloting it, only to find that his wife an son have vanished as well. Although in shock, Rayford knows all too well what has happened (after being warned by his wife for years): Jesus Christ has returned to earth and has taken all true believers up to heaven, in an event called "The Rapture".


The New World
As the world deals with the chaos, the newly-elected Romanian president, Nicolae Carpathia is invited to speak at the United Nations. His charisma has caused the current Secretary-General to resign immediatly, and Nicolae is thrusted into the position of new Secretary-General overnight, apparently against his wishes. Once in the new position, Nicolae takes several courses of action:

He asks the every country to destroy 90% of their weapons, and to donate the remaining 10% to the UN.
He renames the UN the "Global Community", or GC for short.
Along with cardinal Peter Matthews (who has been appointed as the new pope following the vanishing of his predecessor), he establishes a new one-world religion, called: "Global Community Faith", and later "Enigma Babylon One-World Faith".
He moves the GC headquarters to the city of Babylon, in Iraq which he has renamed New Babylon.
After the move, Carpathia settles in New Babylon as his new home, and the seat of the new One-World Order.


The End of New Babylon
During the next seven years, the world is plunged into the period which the Bible calls: "The Tribulation". One by one, twenty-one judgements from God fall upon the earth, many of which resulting in horrendous cataclysms that claim millions of lives. Some are so supernatural in nature that no possible scientific explanations can be found. Meanwhile, Carpathia and his minions grow increasingly antagonistic to Christianity. At the mid-point of this period, when Carpathia is assassinated and then resurrected by being indwelt by Satan himself, he institutes Carpathianism as the new religion, one of worshipping Carpathia himself. He orders all inhabitants of the earth to worship his image and bear a mark of loyalty in their right hands or foreheads. Faliure to do so results in the penalty of death by guillotine, euphemised as the "loyalty enforcement facilitator". In the final 3 1/2 years, millions who refuse to follow these orders become martyrs to Carpathia, the one the Bible prophesies as "The Antichrist", or "The Beast".

New Babylon becomes a dark place, where the presence of evil is clearly felt and seen. And the end of the seven years, as Carpathia plans a massive attack on Israel in an epic battle known as Armageddon, New Babylon finally falls to God's judgement,which is carried out in two parts:

The city is plunged into a darkness so intense that it causes people with the mark to writhe and gnash their teeth in pain. Only true Christian believers can see through this.
The city is finally destroyed by God himself with fire, and never rebuilt again.


The Real New Babylon
The events described above are as seen in the Left Behind series, a fictional series of novels about the end of the world. However, the ancient city of Babylon has already been rebuilt to some degree by the former Iraqi authority headed by Saddam Hussain. Many believe that New Babylon will arise in the wake of the newly "freed" Iraqi nation.

There is an ongoing debate about the prophecies in the Bible that point to New Babylon as a real future city. Though many disregard them, others such as evangelical Christians accept these prophecies as true and literal. The Left Behind series follows this view, and so the events described (not the characters) are the events that prophecy scholars, escathology students, and most evangelical Christians believe that will literally happen in the not-too-distant future.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Babylon"
davis¹³
Prosecutor subpoenas DeLay's phone records



October 13, 2005




WASHINGTON-- A Texas prosecutor subpoenaed telephone records for the home phone of former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay and his political campaign Thursday.

Also subpoenaed were phone records for two numbers for his daughter, Dani DeLay Ferro.

DeLay was indicted last week on charges of money laundering and conspiracy in a Texas campaign finance case.

The subpoenas list telephone numbers, but not whom they belong to. They ask for information about the calls, voice mail service at the numbers and long distance calls made from or charged to the numbers.

"The thing is no big deal," said Bill White, Austin attorney for DeLay. laugh.gif

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/delay13.html
davis¹³
Judy Miller and the neocons

Arrogance, poor editing, and getting too close to her sources -- not ideology -- led to her fall.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/10/...n/index_np.html

Hey bee, you have a subscription don't you? I'd like to read the whole thing.
Bee
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Judy Miller and the neocons

Arrogance, poor editing, and getting too close to her sources -- not ideology -- led to her fall.

By Juan Cole

Oct. 14, 2005 | New York Times reporter Judith Miller testified again on Wednesday before a grand jury regarding allegations that Irving Lewis Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, outed an undercover CIA operative in summer of 2003. After spending 85 days in jail for refusing to testify before the grand jury, Miller was released after receiving a personal waiver from Libby -- who turned out to be her confidential source.

Miller's reputation had already been deeply sullied by her inaccurate and one-sided reporting on Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction before the war. Questions have swirled about her relationship with the small coterie of neoconservatives, including Libby, who staffed key positions in the Bush administration, and who were allied with Ahmad Chalabi, a corrupt Iraqi expatriate and notorious liar who became Miller's principal source on WMD issues. Suspicions that Miller had crossed an ethical line and grown too close to her sources increased after the waiver letter she received from Libby was disclosed. That letter ended with this bizarre, highly personal passage: "You went into jail in the summer. It is fall now. You will have stories to cover -- Iraqi elections and suicide bombers, biological threats and the Iranian nuclear program. Out West, where you vacation, the aspens will already be turning. They turn in clusters, because their roots connect them. Come back to work -- and life. Until then, you will remain in my thoughts and prayers. With admiration, Scooter Libby."

All of which raises the question: Should Miller herself be understood as a neocon?

The evidence suggests that she is not. Rather it was a combination of hawkish convictions about Saddam, ambition, arrogance pumped up by her pre-9/11 work on WMD and jihadis, lax editorial oversight, and her long-standing tendency to get too close to her sources, that led her to become a credulous mouthpiece for those who sought to justify war with Iraq.

Miller clearly agrees with the neocons on some subjects. But she is too knowledgeable about the Middle East and Islam, too evenhanded on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and too much of a liberal on domestic U.S. issues, to be considered a neoconservative herself. A veteran Middle East correspondent (she headed the Times' Cairo bureau) who speaks some Arabic, she had a more balanced and nuanced view of the region than the neocons -- at least until 9/11. She probably has more in common with "liberal hawks" such as New York Times columnist Tom Friedman and Harvard professor Michael Ignatieff, who were driven to support a U.S. war on Iraq by fears of Saddam's weapons, a belief that military action could end Arab/Muslim terrorism, and impatience with the glacial pace of political reform in the Middle East.

Although some critics have noted that Miller associated herself with the neocon Middle East Forum, headed by Daniel Pipes, and had a brief relationship with Benador Associates, a neoconservative booking agency, neither association is more than circumstantial evidence for an ideological affinity with the neoconservatives. Rather, her research on radical Muslim movements gave her something in common with the Middle East Forum at a time when such interests were often viewed as eccentric in the Washington policy establishment. Her actual position on figures such as Sudanese Islamist Hasan Turabi is much more nuanced than that of the typical MEF authors. Miller should be judged by what she said, not by what Web pages she allowed her name to be listed at.

Miller's trajectory on major issues departs significantly from that of the neoconservatives. Paul Wolfowitz, deputy secretary of defense 2001-2005, immediately regretted that the U.S. did not go on to Baghdad in 1991, whereas as late as 1993 Miller saw Iraq as defanged. In 1996, in the now-notorious paper titled "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Defending the Realm," Richard Perle, Douglas Feith and David Wurmser, among others, advised then Israeli candidate for prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu to scrap the Oslo Peace Accords and refuse to withdraw from the Occupied Territories, as well as to support a war against Iraq. In contrast, Miller supported Oslo and stressed that it was important that both Israelis and Palestinians felt secure so as to attract investment. As late as 1998 she was unsure what to do about Iraq, sometimes supporting bombing raids but at others raising questions about what options the U.S. had in the aftermath.

Yet over time Miller came to subscribe to key neocon ideas -- and began increasingly to rely on neocons and their allies for sources. As a June 2004 profile of Miller in New York magazine makes clear, perhaps the pivotal moment in this evolution came in the '90s, when Miller began focusing on the link between terrorism and WMD. She was particularly interested in al-Qaida's plans to acquire WMD. Her work on this subject put her in contact with Ahmad Chalabi, whose party line she began to recite as early as 1998. Before 9/11, her beat made her look obsessed; afterward, as the piece's author, Franklin Foer, notes, "she seemed more like Cassandra, the only one who'd been right. And this fact gave her tremendous power at the paper."

In any case, Miller began to uncritically parrot even some of the neocons' loonier claims. On CNN's "American Morning With Paula Zahn" for May 14, 2002, Miller explained the controversy that had broken out about allegations that Cuba had a biological weapons program. She told Zahn, "And there are a lot of very unsavory contacts, as the administration regards them, between Cuba and especially Iranians who are involved in biological weapons." Such frankly weird assertions raise questions about where in the world Miller got her so-called information. No serious intelligence professional believes that either Iran or Cuba has a significant biological weapons program, much less that a communist Latin American dictatorship was being helped by a Shiite Muslim fundamentalist state with deadly microbes.

Miller's statement only makes sense in light of the speech given by John Bolton, then undersecretary of state for arms control and international security, in May of 2002, in which he alleged that Cuba had a biological weapons program. Thomas Fingar, head of the State Department's Intelligence bureau, along with a retired national security officer, demurred from the charges in Bolton's speech. When Christian Westermann at the State Department intelligence bureau raised questions about the intelligence on which Bolton was basing his campaign, Bolton called him into his office, chewed him out, and then allegedly tried to have him fired, according to the April 18, 2005, edition of the Washington Post. Miller was channeling Bolton in her comments to Paula Zahn, and very likely was simply repeating whatever Bolton himself had told her. Washington political analyst Steven C. Clemons asserted that Bolton was a regular source for Miller in her reporting on national security and weapons of mass destruction issues. Bolton has a special interest in getting up a U.S. war against Iran, accounting for the bogus charge that it was active in Havana.

While Miller was in jail, John Bolton, now U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, came to visit her.

Miller's reporting on this subject, as with so many other subjects involving the claims of the hawks and neocons, was embarrassingly bad. Since Bolton had so many detractors in the intelligence community, it would have been easy for a good reporter to double-check his claims and to discover with what suspicion they were viewed by the professionals. (Bolton is merely a bad-tempered lawyer who did political work for the Republican Party, including helping Bush-Cheney stop the Florida recount in 2000, and has no special knowledge of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons programs, much less of the Middle East.) That Miller neglected to seek out the whole story but rather contented herself with serving as a stenographer for figures such as Bolton and Iraqi fraudster Ahmad Chalabi suggests either a conviction on her part of an ideological sort, or an excessive trust in her sources -- probably both.

Miller was not always a dupe of far-right-wing hawks. After the Gulf War, she responded on CNN to a 1993 speech by Saddam Hussein in which he claimed that Iraq was stronger and wiser since the 1991 war. On Jan. 8, 1993, Miller told anchor Donna Kelley, "I don't think that the allied forces at this stage face any real threat from Saddam Hussein. He has suffered a real body blow through the Gulf War. His nuclear capability, for the moment, has been eradicated. The U.N. has destroyed thousands of chemical munitions. They continue searching for biological and other weapons of mass destruction. I think a lot of this is just bravado. This is the mother of all rhetoric, that's Saddam Hussein, and I don't think anyone believes it, inside Iraq or outside of the area." Miller's description of the state of Iraq's weapons programs in 1993 was entirely accurate, though the biological program was not completely shut down by Hussein Kamel, head of Iraq's WMD program (and Saddam's son in law), until 1995. In this interview she was still functioning as a balanced news reporter who did not allow her obvious hatred for Saddam to interfere with her analytical judgment about the sort of threat he posed.

But by the late 1990s, Miller had emerged as a hawk on the Iraq issue again. The heating up of the conflict had been provoked by the replacement of Rolf Ekeus as head of the United Nations weapons inspection team, UNSCOM, with Australian Richard Butler, who made a series of wild allegations against Iraq with little or no evidence. He demanded access to Saddam's presidential palaces in early 1998, which Saddam at that time refused. Saddam, a germophobe, is later alleged to have told his U.S. captors that he feared the U.N. inspectors would make his palaces "dirty." No unconventional weapons were discovered in them. Miller commented on the crisis on CNN & Co. on Jan. 28, 1998, saying, "Well, I think the Israelis are busy buying gas masks after Richard Butler made his remarks about Saddam Hussein possibly having enough biological agents to blow Tel Aviv and other cities off the map." Miller was uninterested in the dissenters among the weapons inspectors who deeply disagreed with Butler. She admitted that it was not clear what the U.S. options were after an airstrike. But then in another interview on Jan. 29, 1998, Miller said on MSNBC's "News at Issue" that an airstrike against Iraq might force Saddam to comply with U.N. Security Council resolutions.

In mid-August of 1998, at a time when some observers suspected that the Clinton administration might engage Iraq militarily to take the focus in Washington off the Lewinsky scandal, Miller dropped a new bombshell. She published an article in the New York Times based on an interview with Khidhir Hamza, who claimed to be "the highest ranking scientist ever to defect from Iraq," and who had come to the U.S. in 1994. Hamza asserted that Iraq continued to have a viable nuclear weapons program and that only half of it had been destroyed by the Gulf War. One of Hamza's critics, Iraqi nuclear scientist Imad Khadduri, maintains that Hamza had only been given the lead position in the Iraqi nuclear program for six months in 1987, but was soon dismissed for petty embezzlement. He left the Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission in 1989, became a college lecturer and businessman, then went to Libya in 1994. Khadduri says that Hamza established links to the Iraqi National Congress of Ahmad Chalabi and began publishing articles in the British press on Iraq's alleged nuclear program in 1995. He alleges that the Times on Sunday sent documents provided by Hamza to the International Atomic Energy Commission, which declared them false, but that the newspaper published Hamza's pieces anyway. Coming to the United States, Hamza was picked up by Benador Associates, a public relations firm and speakers' bureau closely associated with neoconservatives and their causes, including support for the expansionist Likud Party in Israel.

Miller gave an interview with National Public Radio about her piece on Hamza, on Aug. 17, 1998, with Linda Wertheimer. Miller gushed, "In fact, Linda, I think what struck my colleague and I when we were listening to Dr. Hamza talk, was Saddam Hussein's determination at all costs to have a nuclear bomb." She reported that the Gulf War bombings of Iraq's nuclear sites only hit about half of them, according to Hamza. In fact, Iraq's nuclear facilities were found and ordered destroyed after the war by the United Nations inspectors, and they were extremely thorough, as inspector and former U.S. Marine Scott Ritter insisted. When Wertheimer asked if Hamza was credible, Miller said, "Yes. We were able to speak to people, intelligence officials, administration officials, nuclear experts, a great variety of people, all of whom found Dr. Hamza very credible."

In fact, the story that Hamza was telling was extremely controversial and was controverted by knowledgeable persons. Either Miller was lying when she reported unanimity in the judgment of Hamza's credibility, or she only talked to a handful of hawks. Wertheimer adds, "I gather that the CIA almost missed him. The story of his defection and his attempts to find a safe haven in the United States reads sort of like a cross between a thriller and a farce." The transcript reports "LAUGHTER." Of course, the reason that the CIA "almost missed him" was that he was a minor bit player who had not been involved in the Iraqi nuclear program at all since 1989 and had no new information aside from baldfaced lies. (In 2001 Scribner published Hamza's mendacious book, which described him as "Saddam's Bombmaker," and thereafter he became a constant presence on American television news, flacked by Benador, purveying his lurid and completely false tales of an Iraq near to having a nuclear bomb.

Already by 1998, Miller was reporting Iraqi National Congress propaganda, purveying an image of Iraq completely different from that she gave in 1993, when she admitted that the country's weapons of mass destruction programs had been dismantled. On Dec. 29, 1998, she commented to Diane Dimond of CNBC's "Upfront Tonight" about the Clinton administration's bombing of Iraq and the $100 million that the U.S. Congress had appropriated to support the Iraqi expatriates who were attempting to overthrow Saddam. She complained, "But I did notice that just before the bombing, Ahmed Chalabi, who was one of the leaders of the opposition, told me that he only had about four hours notice. The administration called him and said, 'Oh, by the way, we're going to start bombing in a few hours.' This doesn't leave the opposition with a lot of time to prepare a kind of internal action, if it has the ability to do that. And we're not sure if the Iraqi opposition could stage a coup or start a rebellion at this point. It may be a weak reed, but it's the only reed the administration has at the moment."

Miller was already talking to Chalabi, and was willing to act as a conduit for his grouses about not being kept in the loop by the Clinton administration. It was the start of a beautiful friendship. Leaked New York Times memos showed that Chalabi was Miller's principal source for stories she later did on Iraq's fabled and in fact nonexistent weapons of mass destruction. According to Foer, Miller also relied heavily on the neocons' intelligence-fixing outfit, the notorious Office of Special Plans headed by Douglas Feith. Almost all of its "intelligence" was completely bogus.

Miller was a consistent critic of Saddam's regime, but before 1998 she was capable of making nuanced judgments about the problem it posed for the United States. At some point after that, she apparently began to believe that she, with her prescient expertise about WMD and radical Islam, and her hawkish and neocon sources were right. This was when her fateful decline began. A minor scientist and sometime college teacher such as Khidhir Hamza became "the highest ranking scientist" to defect from Iraq. She relayed complaints from Gucci revolutionaries like Chalabi that they had been left out of the loop by the Clinton administration, and retailed Iraq National Congress tall tales to her unsuspecting audience. By the late 1990s, she had laid the ground for her subsequent path, of becoming stenographer to a motley crew of neoconservative hawks and Iraqi expatriate wheelers and dealers. The aluminum tubes story, in particular, which she co-wrote and which helped pave the way to war, will likely be taught in journalism classes for years as a textbook study of flawed reporting.

In the end, Miller's decline seems due more to professional ambition than ideological conviction -- although her own beliefs clearly grew closer to the neocons'. "While Miller might not have intended to march in lockstep with these hawks, she was caught up in an almost irresistible cycle," Foer writes. "Because she kept printing the neocon party line, the neocons kept coming to her with huge stories and great quotes, constantly expanding her access."

In the end, it seems that Miller will go down in history not so much as a true believer as a useful idiot.
Bee
Juan Cole is awesome. He is one of lil barts faves.

His blog is here:

http://www.juancole.com/

He has some interesting insights into the whole Iraq fiasco.
davis¹³
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Miller was already talking to Chalabi, and was willing to act as a conduit for his grouses about not being kept in the loop by the Clinton administration. It was the start of a beautiful friendship. Leaked New York Times memos showed that Chalabi was Miller's principal source for stories she later did on Iraq's fabled and in fact nonexistent weapons of mass destruction. According to Foer, Miller also relied heavily on the neocons' intelligence-fixing outfit, the notorious Office of Special Plans headed by Douglas Feith. Almost all of its "intelligence" was completely bogus.


Well isn't that just sweet?
inyerface
JUNIOR: "You're quoting a lot of Democrats today, Matt, that's interesting. (A-heh-heh-heh.)"

MATT: "She said that we aren't asking the people of Iraq to pay back the money we're spending there - why are we asking the people of the Gulf Coast, requiring them to pay back this money. How would you respond to that?"

JUNIOR: "Well, the people of Iraq are paying a heavy price for terrorism. A lot of people are dying, Matt. These people are working hard to establish democracy and they're paying a serious price. Look, I understand there are a lot of politics. One of the things that I suggested was we keep the politics out of New Orleans and Mississippi as we all work together to rebuild these communities. And we've got people here who volunteered their time, from all over the country - and they didn't say, you know, I'm a Democrat and I'm going to work here, or, I'm a Republican and I'm going to come and work here. They said, I'm an American that wants to contribute."

...

"But this much could be seen watching the tape of NBC's broadcast during Bush's 14-minute pre-sunrise interview, in which he stood unprotected by the usual lectern. The president was a blur of blinks, taps, jiggles, pivots and shifts. Bush has always been an active man, but standing with Lauer and the serene, steady first lady, he had the body language of a man wishing urgently to be elsewhere.

"The fidgeting clearly corresponded to the questioning. When Lauer asked if Bush, after a slow response to Katrina, was 'trying to get a second chance to make a good first impression,' Bush blinked 24 times in his answer. When asked why Gulf Coast residents would have to pay back funds but Iraqis would not, Bush blinked 23 times and hitched his trousers up by the belt.

"When the questioning turned to Miers, Bush blinked 37 times in a single answer -- along with a lick of the lips, three weight shifts and some serious foot jiggling."

...
Okay. So, the first photo-op on "Today" didn't exactly pan out. The second, religious = great judges didn't fly, either.

So, howza 'bout a teleconference with actual soldiers in Iraq? Bush hunkered down to "chat" with ten soldiers from the Army's 42nd Infantry Division and one Iraqi soldier stationed in Saddam's hometown of Tikrit. A done deal, right? The Son King talking to his patriotic fighters over there, cheerleading them on?

Only one problem, according to this Associated Press headline: "Bush Teleconference With Soldiers Staged." Ooops.

...

Q: " Scott, why did the administration feel it was necessary to coach the soldiers that the President talked to this morning in Iraq?"

SPANKY: "I'm sorry, I don't know what you're suggesting."

Q: "Well, they discussed the questions ahead of time. They were told exactly what the President would ask, and they were coached, in terms of who would answer what question, and how they would pass the microphone."

SPANKY: "I'm sorry, are you suggesting that what our troops were saying was not sincere, or what they said was not their own thoughts?"

Q: "Nothing at all. I'm just asking why it was necessary to coach them."

...


That led to Spanky gas-bagging about our goals in Iraq (per Bush's head) and getting into it with the most fearless reporter alive, Helen Thomas.

SPANKY: "...Just three years ago, the Iraqi people were under a brutal, oppressive dictator, a dictator that killed thousands and thousands of people.

HELEN: "How many have WE killed?"

SPANKY: "We've liberated 25 million, both in Iraq and in Afghanistan."

HELEN: "How many have WE killed?"

SPANKY: "Well, Helen, the President recognizes that we are engaged in a global war on terrorism. And when you're engaged in a war, it's not always pleasant, and it's certainly a last resort. But when you engage in a war, you take the fight to the enemy, you go on the offense. And that's exactly what we are doing. We are fighting them there so that we don't have to fight them here. September 11th taught us -"

HELEN: "It has nothing to do with -- Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11."

Ouch! The truth has got to hurt.

excerpts from http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?s...=nested&order=0

Mizilus
"You went into jail in the summer. It is fall now. You will have stories to cover -- Iraqi elections and suicide bombers, biological threats and the Iranian nuclear program. Out West, where you vacation, the aspens will already be turning. They turn in clusters, because their roots connect them. Come back to work -- and life. Until then, you will remain in my thoughts and prayers. With admiration, Scooter Libby."



What the effin eff?
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(Mizilus @ Oct 14 2005, 11:09 AM)
"You went into jail in the summer. It is fall now. You will have stories to cover -- Iraqi elections and suicide bombers, biological threats and the Iranian nuclear program. Out West, where you vacation, the aspens will already be turning. They turn in clusters, because their roots connect them. Come back to work -- and life. Until then, you will remain in my thoughts and prayers. With admiration, Scooter Libby."
What the effin eff?
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Stick to the party line. You will be needed to sell the next attack.
Mizilus
it seems as though one needs to read every other word of that or something.

stories to cover...

out west...

biological threats

in clusters

their roots connect them



Jesus Christ. These people are stark raving mad.
CharlieRay
QUOTE(SherryB @ Oct 13 2005, 12:59 PM)
You got me CharlieRay, I had to look it up, from the series written by the two really rich (now) guys making mega bucks on religion.  They were interviewed by Time or Newsweek last year.  When they give all their money to the poor and give away their faith and not sell it, I may read what they have to say.   smile.gif



New Babylon is currently a fictional city depicted in the popular Left Behind series. Although the city is fictional, the term is also used to refer to the rebuilt ancient city of Babylon, as depicted in the Bible.
ew Babylon in Left Behind
Spoiler warning: Plot or ending details follow.

Background
In the twinkling of a eye, millions of people all over the world simply vanish. Those left behind are left to search for answers and clues to what has really happend. Airline Captain Rayford Steele arrives home after nearly 1/3 of the passengers in a Chicago-London 747 flight vanish while he is piloting it, only to find that his wife an son have vanished as well. Although in shock, Rayford knows all too well what has happened (after being warned by his wife for years): Jesus Christ has returned to earth and has taken all true believers up to heaven, in an event called "The Rapture".
The New World
As the world deals with the chaos, the newly-elected Romanian president, Nicolae Carpathia is invited to speak at the United Nations. His charisma has caused the current Secretary-General to resign immediatly, and Nicolae is thrusted into the position of new Secretary-General overnight, apparently against his wishes. Once in the new position, Nicolae takes several courses of action:

He asks the every country to destroy 90% of their weapons, and to donate the remaining 10% to the UN.
He renames the UN the "Global Community", or GC for short.
Along with cardinal Peter Matthews (who has been appointed as the new pope following the vanishing of his predecessor), he establishes a new one-world religion, called: "Global Community Faith", and later "Enigma Babylon One-World Faith".
He moves the GC headquarters to the city of Babylon, in Iraq which he has renamed New Babylon.
After the move, Carpathia settles in New Babylon as his new home, and the seat of the new One-World Order.
The End of New Babylon
During the next seven years, the world is plunged into the period which the Bible calls: "The Tribulation". One by one, twenty-one judgements from God fall upon the earth, many of which resulting in horrendous cataclysms that claim millions of lives. Some are so supernatural in nature that no possible scientific explanations can be found. Meanwhile, Carpathia and his minions grow increasingly antagonistic to Christianity. At the mid-point of this period, when Carpathia is assassinated and then resurrected by being indwelt by Satan himself, he institutes Carpathianism as the new religion, one of worshipping Carpathia himself. He orders all inhabitants of the earth to worship his image and bear a mark of loyalty in their right hands or foreheads. Faliure to do so results in the penalty of death by guillotine, euphemised as the "loyalty enforcement facilitator". In the final 3 1/2 years, millions who refuse to follow these orders become martyrs to Carpathia, the one the Bible prophesies as "The Antichrist", or "The Beast".

New Babylon becomes a dark place, where the presence of evil is clearly felt and seen. And the end of the seven years, as Carpathia plans a massive attack on Israel in an epic battle known as Armageddon, New Babylon finally falls to God's judgement,which is carried out in two parts:

The city is plunged into a darkness so intense that it causes people with the mark to writhe and gnash their teeth in pain. Only true Christian believers can see through this.
The city is finally destroyed by God himself with fire, and never rebuilt again.
The Real New Babylon
The events described above are as seen in the Left Behind series, a fictional series of novels about the end of the world. However, the ancient city of Babylon has already been rebuilt to some degree by the former Iraqi authority headed by Saddam Hussain. Many believe that New Babylon will arise in the wake of the newly "freed" Iraqi nation.

There is an ongoing debate about the prophecies in the Bible that point to New Babylon as a real future city. Though many disregard them, others such as evangelical Christians accept these prophecies as true and literal. The Left Behind series follows this view, and so the events described (not the characters) are the events that prophecy scholars, escathology students, and most evangelical Christians believe that will literally happen in the not-too-distant future.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Babylon"
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This one always gets me into a lot of trouble... heh... got throwed out of a couple Vet/church gatherings and threatened for my heresy... lol... the same folks freak when I inform them that the word "Rapture" is not even a word in the Bible... that it is a lie... told to them in order to console them into thinking that they will not suffer in the "Tribulation" along with the "sinners", "evildoers", and "unbelievers"...

I think New York(US, America:~) is the New Babylon... and that the Statue of Liberty is the Whore of Babylon...

Before ya'll drum me outta here, please consider... that in our eyes the statue is jUSt a statue, a symbol... but in God's eyes she's an idol... jUSt like the statues of old... did ya'll catch "Liberty's Birthday" a couple years ago... this was a prophecy fullfilled... when a 1/3 of the ships in the sea came to pay tribute to her(when have they ever done that for God?:~)... she sitteth(standeth:~) on the water in the midst of the great city... she has horns coming out of her head... and what does she symbolize?... Liberty... I put it to you that in Lucifer's rebelion in Heaven, "Liberty" was their theme... "Liberty" is one if the devel's songs... one of his most compelling as a matter of fact...

All this prophecy stuff is pretty strange and esoteric in nature... and dots have been ommited and t's have not been crossed... devinations are a matter of perceptions and deceptions... I put it to you that the truth is how we percieve it through the various lens of our different hearts... and that the different distorted views are varying degrees of the subject being looked at, which is in reality a reflection of ourselves... a mirror...

I'm not the only one who deciphers "New Babylon" as such... here's some stuff...

http://www.888c.com/zRev17.htm

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Tw...sofBabylon.html

http://www.redmoonrising.com/AmericanBabylon/Part7.htm

http://www.hiddencodes.com/sherry/america-babylon.htm

Here's some really interesting stuff that curiously came up while I was looking into the "Whore of Babylon"... that applies more to the other discussions that we have from time to time about the intelligence and (mis)information community... most of ya'll will be more interested in this stuff than the prophecy stuff above...

http://hnn.us/articles/8728.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/mcgovern07062004.html
Joni Pasquinade
QUOTE(CharlieRay @ Oct 13 2005, 07:52 AM)
Do you know who/where is the "New Babylon"?
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Do you know who/where is the "New Jerusalem"?
CharlieRay
QUOTE(Joni Pasquinade @ Oct 14 2005, 12:42 PM)
Do you know who/where is the "New Jerusalem"?
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As I understand it... it is in the sky and is inhabited by the "saved", the beloved children of God... but I really do not know... please enlighten me. smile.gif
Mizilus
Isreal.
Joni Pasquinade
Jokingly, the New Jerusalem is Miami Beach Florida, wink.gif

But the Biblical reference is Rev. 21:2. And the citizens are the ones who's names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life. It includes the Old Testament Saints and the Redeemed.
Bothered a lot...
QUOTE(Joni Pasquinade @ Oct 14 2005, 07:13 PM)
Jokingly, the New Jerusalem is Miami Beach Florida, wink.gif

But the Biblical reference is Rev. 21:2.  And the citizens are the ones who's names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life.  It includes the Old Testament Saints and the Redeemed.
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Kinda like Babylon NY... smile.gif

http://www.city-data.com/city/North-Babylon-New-York.html
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QUOTE(Bothered a lot... @ Oct 14 2005, 07:35 PM)
Kinda like Babylon NY...  smile.gif

http://www.city-data.com/city/North-Babylon-New-York.html
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davis¹³
Dear Friend,
As you probably know, the very partisan Travis County D.A. recently manufactured an indictment against me that is based on charges from the 2002 Texas State House elections.
These charges are groundless and false. I am completely innocent.
Just as Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison and other public officials have defeated similar attacks from this D.A., I will prove his allegations are baseless and without merit.
Despite this partisan distraction, I will continue to represent you and fight for the interests of our community.
I hope you’ll take a moment now to read more about exactly what is happening and why. Thank you for visiting and I look forward to keeping you up to date on our fight this out of control DA.

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davis¹³
DeLay campaign slams Texas prosecutor

By JOHN SOLOMON
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER

WASHINGTON -- Tom DeLay is using his congressional campaign to distribute to voters derogatory information about the Texas prosecutor who has indicted him - and to raise more money for a re-election bid that has been affected by the criminal case.

"Help Tom fight back," reads one of the solicitations on the http://www.TomDelay.com Web site that voters are being directed to as part of an Internet-based campaign paid for by DeLay's re-election committee.

Contributors, voters and others who sign up can get regular e-mails and an electronic "toolkit" from DeLay's campaign with the latest disparaging information his legal team has prepared on Texas prosecutor Ronnie Earle.

"Join thousands of conservatives across the country in the fight against liberal DA Ronnie Earle," recipients are told.

Recipients are offered a full dossier about the Democratic prosecutor and his "baseless political indictment" with subjects like:

-"Ronnie Earle's previous misuse of his office," which highlights failures in Earle's career such as his unsuccessful case against Republican Texas Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison in the 1990s.

-"Earle asks for a Do-Over," which focuses on the prosecutor's decision to seek a re-indictment of DeLay on different charges after the congressman's lawyers raised technical questions about the first indictment.

-"Coming Soon: The Ronnie Earle Movie," which highlights reports that Earle allowed a film crew to follow him during parts of the investigation.

Legal experts said DeLay's use of congressional campaign donations to attack Earle probably was permissible, though it could lead to legal questions about whether he was trying to influence potential jurors for his trial.

"He clearly is aiming at the jury pool and aiming at voters, hoping to generate as much sympathy as he can," said Larry Noble, the government's former chief election enforcement lawyer. "And it shows DeLay never misses a beat when it comes to fundraising - no matter how dark things get."

Bruce Yannett, a former Iran-Contra prosecutor, said DeLay's campaign effort might raise questions of trying to taint the potential jury pool but the legal standard for making such a case is difficult to meet.

Nonetheless, Yannett said he could not imagine former President Reagan overtly using his campaign to attack prosecutors during the 1980s investigation of the Iran-Contra affair. "It does seem a little unusual," Yannett said.

DeLay has been indicted along with several colleagues on charges he conspired to launder illegal corporate contributions to Texas state candidates. He denies the charges.


http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1153AP_DeLay.html
davis¹³
Probe of Armstrong Williams Widens
Oct 14 2:03 PM US/Eastern
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By NANCY BENAC
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON

Investigators at the Education Department have contacted the U.S. attorney's office regarding the Bush administration's hiring of commentator Armstrong Williams to promote its agenda.

The action was disclosed by Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., who has pressed for a criminal fraud investigation focused on questions about whether Williams actually performed the work cited in his monthly reports to the Education Department.

The Government Accountability Office has concluded that the Education Department engaged in illegal "covert propaganda" by hiring Williams to promote the No Child Left Behind Act without requiring him to disclose that he was being paid. The Education Department's inspector general has also reviewed the Williams deal, which was part of a broader contract that the education agency had with Ketchum, a public relations firm.

Now the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia is investigating whether Williams accepted public money without performing his required duties, said Dan Katz, chief counsel for Lautenberg. The attorney's office has a range of potential remedies, from suing to recover the money to possible criminal charges, Katz said.

"The inspector general wouldn't refer this to the U.S. attorney unless there was evidence of misconduct that requires further investigating," Katz said.

Williams' spokeswoman Shirley Dave said the commentator had not been informed about the latest development and had no comment. She had said previously that Williams was negotiating with the department to return part of the money he was paid.

The deal occurred during the tenure of former Education Secretary Rod Paige. Education Department spokeswoman Susan Aspey had no comment on the work of inspector general's office, which operates independently. Inspector General Counsel Mary Mitchelson also declined comment.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/10/14/D8D7V6680.html
davis¹³
The question on WJ this morning was "Is conservative behavior being criminalized?"




It was put on in reaction to a William Kristol article that came out recently. Personally, I think he's a silver spooned little whiny assed bitch apologizing and covering for the biggest god damned batch of criminals to ever occupy the WH or Congress. He and his neoconservative buddies are criminals themselves so it's no wonder he's trying to shift attention from them.

But, like every other example of corruption and outright criminal behavior all he can do is say it's the liberal's or the media's fault. <shakes head>

One of the first callers was an ignorant beatch who just spouted every bullshit Republican lie she could. Suddenly Valerie Plame was only a secretary who hadn't even worked undercover, DeLay was an innocent being targeted by an overzealous Satanic Democratic prosecutor. (the Satanic part was mine) Never mind that DeLay got into power by targeting Wright on ethics violations.

Then another caller said what about Watergate, Iran Contra, ect? We know Republicans are anything BUT ethical or even law abiding.

How any honest person can look at the Republicans as victims is beyond me.





Criminalizing Conservatives
Fall of 2005 will be remembered as a time when it became clear that a strategy of criminalization had been implemented to inflict defeat on conservatives.
by William Kristol


10/24/2005, Volume 011, Issue 06




THE MOST EFFECTIVE CONSERVATIVE LEGISLATOR of--oh--the last century or so, Congressman Tom DeLay, was indicted last month for allegedly violating Texas campaign finance laws, and has vacated his position as House majority leader. The Senate majority leader, Bill Frist, is under investigation by the Justice Department and the Securities and Exchange Commission for his sale of stock in the medical company his family started.

White House deputy chief of staff Karl Rove and vice presidential chief of staff Scooter Libby have been under investigation by a special federal prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, for more than two years. When appointed in 2003 by the Bush Justice Department, Fitzgerald's mandate was to find out if the leaking to reporters of the identity of a CIA employee, Valerie Plame, was a violation of a 1982 statute known as the Philip Agee law, and if so, who violated it. It now seems clear that Rove and Libby are the main targets of the prosecutor, and that both are in imminent danger of indictment.

What do these four men have in common, other than their status as prosecutorial targets? Since 2001, they have been among the most prominent promoters of the conservative agenda of the Bush administration. For over four years, they have helped two strong conservatives, George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, successfully advance an agenda for change in America. To the extent these four are sidelined, there is a real chance that the Bush-Cheney administration will become less successful.

A number of analysts have argued that all this fits a fairly predictable pattern of two-term presidents: a vigorous first term, followed by agenda fatigue and assorted scandals in the second term. Bill Clinton, after all, had his Monica Lewinsky, Ronald Reagan his Iran-contra, Nixon his Watergate. Even Dwight Eisenhower saw the resignation in disgrace of his powerful chief of staff, Sherman Adams, over the questionable gift of a vicuña coat.

The situation today, however, seems different. There was plenty of political polarization in those earlier presidencies, but today polarization divides more neatly along partisan lines. The earlier presidencies had plenty of internal ideological rifts, but the incidence of scandal and investigation was not exclusive to one side or the other.

In today's Washington, as has been true for decades, classified information is leaked by many different players in any given policy fight in the government. The Bush administration has been replete with leaks of presumably classified information. Is the identity of Valerie Plame the most consequential leak of the last four years? Are Rove and Libby bigger leakers than, say, the CIA's George Tenet or Richard Armitage at the State Department? Do no employees of the Central Intelligence Agency (almost universally anti-Bush and anti-conservative) ever leak anything? If so, have they been indicted, or investigated by a special prosecutor? Any prosecutor?

Much the same is true of DeLay's alleged laundering of soft (corporate and/or unlimited) money in 2002 races for the Texas legislature, where only hard money (limited, individual contributions) is allowed. At the press conference called by Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi to comment on the DeLay indictment and the "culture of corruption" fostered in Washington by conservative Republicans, she was asked about her own high-dollar soft-money fundraising--supposedly banned for members of Congress by the 2002 McCain-Feingold law--to defeat a ballot initiative on congressional redistricting sponsored by California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. She replied that her soft-money fundraising was utterly different from DeLay's because it had been blessed by her campaign lawyers, and she never raises soft money while standing or sitting on government property. Without missing a beat, reporters at the Pelosi press conference dropped the awkward subject and returned the focus to DeLay and to the larger pattern of Republican corruption DeLay's indictment supposedly signifies.

Bill Frist suddenly and unexpectedly became Senate Majority Leader in December 2002. In the 2004 campaign, Frist broke Senate precedent and visited the state of his Democratic counterpart, Minority Leader Tom Daschle, to campaign for Daschle's Republican opponent.

Then, in 2005, Frist launched a campaign against Democratic judicial filibusters. Though he did not succeed in his goal of a Senate rules change, his efforts are widely believed to have greatly reduced the possibility that Democrats could successfully filibuster a Bush Supreme Court nominee. Having emerged in the last year as a conservative leader, Frist now finds himself under investigation. Just another coincidence?

Don't try selling the idea of coincidence to Kenneth Tomlinson, until recently the chairman of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB). Last May, the New York Times published a lengthy account of Tomlinson's efforts to bring increased balance to public television--i.e., giving a bit more of a hearing to conservatives. He commissioned a modest study to confirm what most everyone already knew, that the practice on shows produced or moderated by Bill Moyers is to interview conservatives and Republicans only when they are in disagreement with the predominant conservative or Republican position on a given issue.

Within days of the Times piece, Democratic congressmen David Obey and John Dingell, ranking minority members on two key committees, wrote a letter to the CPB inspector general, Kenneth Konz, demanding a detailed, elaborate investigation of Tomlinson. Not only did Konz comply, he asked Tomlinson to provide all his emails, which Tomlinson did, and conducted a search of Tomlinson's office files without telling him. A few months later, in September, Konz gave an interview to Bloomberg News in which he confided, concerning an ongoing and incomplete investigation, "Clearly there are indications of possible violations." Konz later said he had been misunderstood, and that it was much too early to come to any conclusions.

Tomlinson's term as CPB chairman expired last month, though he remains a member of the board. But the inspector general's investigation of Tomlinson's conduct as chairman, designed by Obey and Dingell and their liberal staffers, continues with no end in sight.

Meanwhile, a kind of ideological criminalization of active, visible conservatives has become almost second nature to the left and the elite professions, including journalism and teaching, in which they predominate. Did Dick Cheney change his views on regime change in Iraq between 1991 and 2003? Don't ask him why. It's enough to give a one-word explanation of his views: "Halliburton." The unspoken premise is that Cheney changed his position to line his pockets.

And what was the left's central, most deeply felt image of the presidential campaign of 2004? Actively marketed by Dan Rather and CBS News, it was this: John Kerry was a war hero and George W. Bush went AWOL. AWOL is, of course, an acronym: "Absent Without Leave." In the military, being AWOL is a crime subject to court martial, and to lengthy imprisonment. So saying Bush was AWOL was not just an attempt to compare his military service unfavorably with Kerry's, which is fair enough. It was an attempt to criminalize Bush's military career. Though the attempt backfired when it became clear CBS had accepted faked evidence, Democratic and liberal elites were sold on the idea that "war hero" vs. "AWOL" was the key to undermining the widespread respect Bush had achieved by his response to 9/11.

Why are conservative Republicans, who control the executive and legislative branches of government for the first time in living memory, so vulnerable to the phenomenon of criminalization? Is it simple payback for the impeachment of Bill Clinton? Or is it a reflection of some deep malady at the heart of American politics? If criminalization is seen to loom ahead for every conservative who begins successfully to act out his or her beliefs in government or politics, is the project of conservative reform sustainable?


We don't pretend to have all the answers, or a solid answer even to one of these questions. But it's a reasonable bet that the fall of 2005 will be remembered as a time when it became clear that a comprehensive strategy of criminalization had been implemented to inflict defeat on conservatives who seek to govern as conservatives. And it is clear that thinking through a response to this challenge is a task conservatives can no longer postpone.

-Jeffrey Bell and William Kristol

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Publ...1eywgm.asp?pg=1

Behave like a criminal, get treated like a criminal. You are no better than anyone else. As a matter of fact the Republican party is much worse than everyone else. You got in power with lies, bribes, psy-ops on the US public and good old corruption. I hope the neoconservatives are shown to be the lying war mongering criminals they really are.
davis¹³
THE NATION

Scandals Becoming an Issue in State Races
By Mark Z. Barabak, Times Staff Writer

Even as clouds of scandal hang over Washington, charges of political wrongdoing have surfaced in state capitals in Ohio, New Mexico, Tennessee and elsewhere across the country, touching members of both parties and elevating ethics as a campaign issue in nearly a dozen states.

Already, some say, the effect can be felt in the November race for New Jersey governor, where Democratic Sen. Jon Corzine is locked in a closer-than-expected contest with Republican businessman Doug Forrester.


Cliff Zukin, a Rutgers University political scientist, said that given President Bush's unpopularity and New Jersey's strong Democratic tilt, the tight race is "hard to understand unless you take the ethical climate of the state into account."

A poll last month by Quinnipiac University in Hamden, Conn., found that 53% of New Jersey voters considered government corruption a very serious problem, compared with 23% in May 2001 — before Sen. Robert Torricelli and Gov. James E. McGreevey, both Democrats, were chased from office by scandals.

But New Jersey — and Washington — are not the only places where charges of political malfeasance have been making headlines:

• In Alaska, two members of Republican Gov. Frank H. Murkowski's Cabinet have resigned this year amid conflict-of-interest charges.

• In Kentucky, 11 current or former members of Republican Gov. Ernie Fletcher's administration have been indicted as part of an investigation into Fletcher's hiring practices. The governor has issued a blanket pardon for all involved — excluding himself — which antagonized many Kentucky voters.

• In Illinois, Democratic Gov. Rod Blagojevich has been tied to a teachers pension fund scandal. A criminal probe is being led by U.S. Atty. Patrick J. Fitzgerald, who also is heading the Washington investigation into the leak that unmasked CIA operative Valerie Plame.

• In New Mexico, Democratic Treasurer Robert Vigil faces federal racketeering charges in connection with kickbacks he allegedly received from a financial advisor hired to help invest state funds. Democratic Gov. Bill Richardson, running for reelection next year and eyeing a 2008 run for president, is seeking to strip Vigil of his power while he awaits trial.

• In Ohio, Republican Gov. Robert A. Taft has pleaded no contest to violating state ethics laws in connection with gifts he received. He has also been battered by the so-called "Coingate" scandal involving the loss of state funds in rare coin investments made by a major GOP donor.

• In Tennessee, an FBI sting has led to bribery and conspiracy charges against five current or former state lawmakers. All but one are Democrats, including the uncle of Rep. Harold E. Ford Jr., who is running for the U.S. Senate in 2006.

Government ethics has also become an issue in Maryland, Wisconsin, Connecticut — where former Republican Gov. John G. Rowland is serving a jail term for corruption — and Texas, where former House Republican leader Tom DeLay has been indicted for alleged campaign finance irregularities.

Political observers say the number of statehouse scandals has fostered a climate that makes the news out of Washington — near-daily stories of grand jury appearances, questions of insider stock trading, charges of high-level cronyism — even more resonant with voters.

"People don't distinguish between various levels of government," said Bill Carrick, a Democratic campaign strategist in Los Angeles. "For most people, this is all part of one story."

The party in power always runs the greatest risk of a voter backlash against incumbent lawmakers. In the epic throw-the-bums-out election of 1994, Republicans not only won control of Congress, but also gained 11 governorships and 472 seats in legislatures across the country.

Next year, there will be 36 gubernatorial contests and hundreds of legislative races. Republicans hold 28 of the nation's governorships, the Democrats 22.

Because Republicans control both the White House and Congress, it is Democrats who hope to capitalize on voter discontent and the scent of scandal "in hundreds and hundreds of races, from the White House to the courthouse," as Carrick put it.

Said Charlie Cook, a nonpartisan political analyst in Washington: "If you're living in Kentucky and reading about Gov. Fletcher, or Ohio reading about Coingate and Gov. Taft, to the extent it supports that broad national theme, for Democrats so much the better."

However, the fact that scandal has brushed members of both parties makes it less clear whether one of them will benefit dramatically over the other.

In Tennessee, for instance, it is Democrats who have been thrown on the defensive by the ongoing FBI probe, which involved a phony recycling company that allegedly passed out bribes.

One of those indicted, former state Sen. John Ford of Memphis, has since resigned. Democrats held on to the seat — Ford's replacement was his sister, Ophelia. But she won last month's special election by 12 votes despite the party's overwhelming registration edge.

"Voters were upset — no question about it," said Hastings Wyman, who tracked the race for his nonpartisan newsletter, the Southern Political Report.

Carrick, whose clients include Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), cautioned fellow Democrats not to assume they would romp to victory.

"There has obviously been an enormous avalanche of bad stories, many of them revolving around ethics, having to do with the Bush administration. Clearly that hurts Republicans," Carrick said. "[But] there is the possibility that this doesn't take on as much of a partisan definition as it does the definition of the ins versus the outs."

In that case, incumbents of both parties will have to worry in 2006.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/na...-home-headlines
Carol
THE CLINTON LEGACY

RECORDS SET

- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance

- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates**

- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation

- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify

- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly

- First president sued for sexual harassment.

- First president accused of rape.

- First first lady to come under criminal investigation

- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case

- First president to establish a legal defense fund.

- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions

- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad

** According to our best information, 40 government officials were indicted or convicted in the wake of Watergate. A reader computes that there was a total of 31 Reagan era convictions, including 14 because of Iran-Contra and 16 in the Department of Housing & Urban Development scandal. 47 individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine were convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes with 33 of these occurring during the Clinton administration itself.

STARR-RAY INVESTIGATION

- Number of Starr-Ray investigation convictions or guilty pleas (including one governor, one associate attorney general and two Clinton business partners): 14

- Number of Clinton cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 5

- Number of Reagan cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 4

- Number of top officials jailed in the Teapot Dome Scandal: 3

CRIME STATS

- Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47

- Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33

- Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61

- Number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 122

SMALTZ INVESTIGATION

- Guilty pleas and convictions obtained by Donald Smaltz in cases involving charges of bribery and fraud against former Agriculture
Secretary Mike Espy and associated individuals and businesses: 15

- Acquitted or overturned cases (including Espy): 6

- Fines and penalties assessed: $11.5 million

- Amount Tyson Food paid in fines and court costs: $6 million

CLINTON MACHINE CRIMES
FOR WHICH CONVICTIONS WERE OBTAINED

Drug trafficking (3), racketeering, extortion, bribery (4), tax evasion, kickbacks, embezzlement (2), fraud (12), conspiracy (5), fraudulent loans, illegal gifts (1), illegal campaign contributions (5), money laundering (6), perjury, obstruction of justice.

OTHER MATTERS INVESTIGATED BY SPECIAL PROSECUTORS
AND CONGRESS, OR REPORTED IN THE MEDIA

Bank and mail fraud, violations of campaign finance laws, illegal foreign campaign funding, improper exports of sensitive technology, physical violence and threats of violence, solicitation of perjury, intimidation of witnesses, bribery of witnesses, attempted intimidation of prosecutors, perjury before congressional committees, lying in statements to federal investigators and regulatory officials, flight of witnesses, obstruction of justice, bribery of cabinet members, real estate fraud, tax fraud, drug trafficking, failure to investigate drug trafficking, bribery of state officials, use of state police for personal purposes, exchange of promotions or benefits for sexual favors, using state police to provide false court testimony, laundering of drug money through a state agency, false reports by medical examiners and others investigating suspicious deaths, the firing of the RTC and FBI director when these agencies were investigating Clinton and his associates, failure to conduct autopsies in suspicious deaths, providing jobs in return for silence by witnesses, drug abuse, improper acquisition and use of 900 FBI files, improper futures trading, murder, sexual abuse of employees, false testimony before a federal judge, shredding of documents, withholding and concealment of subpoenaed documents, fabricated charges against (and improper firing of) White House employees, inviting drug traffickers, foreign agents and participants in organized crime to the White House.

ARKANSAS ALZHEIMER'S

Number of times that Clinton figures who testified in court or before Congress said that they didn't remember, didn't know, or something similar.

Bill Kennedy 116
Harold Ickes 148
Ricki Seidman 160
Bruce Lindsey 161
Bill Burton 191
Mark Gearan 221
Mack McLarty 233
Neil Egglseston 250
Hillary Clinton 250
John Podesta 264
Jennifer O'Connor 343
Dwight Holton 348
Patsy Thomasson 420
Jeff Eller 697

davis¹³
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davis¹³
How a Lobbyist Stacked the Deck

Abramoff Used DeLay Aide, Attacks On Allies to Defeat Anti-Gambling Bill


Sunday, October 16, 2005; Page A01

Lobbyist Jack Abramoff and his team were beginning to panic.

An anti-gambling bill had cleared the Senate and appeared on its way to passage by an overwhelming margin in the House of Representatives. If that happened, Abramoff's client, a company that wanted to sell state lottery tickets online, would be out of business.

But on July 17, 2000, the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act went down to defeat, to the astonishment of supporters who included many anti-gambling groups and Christian conservatives.

A senior aide to then-Majority Whip Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) helped scuttle the bill in the House. The aide, Tony C. Rudy, 39, e-mailed Abramoff internal congressional communications and advice, according to documents and the lobbyist's former associates.

Rudy received favors from Abramoff. He went on two luxury trips with the lobbyist that summer, including one partly paid for by Abramoff's client, eLottery Inc. Abramoff also arranged for eLottery to pay $25,000 to a Jewish foundation that hired Rudy's wife as a consultant, according to documents and interviews. Months later, Rudy himself was hired as a lobbyist by Abramoff.

The vote that day in July was just one part of an extraordinary yearlong effort by Abramoff on behalf of eLottery, a small gambling services company based in Connecticut. Details of that campaign, reconstructed from dozens of interviews as well as from e-mails and financial records obtained by The Washington Post, provide the most complete account yet of how one of Washington's most powerful lobbyists leveraged his client's money to influence Congress.

The work Abramoff did for eLottery is one focus of a wide-ranging federal corruption investigation into his dealings with members of Congress and government agencies. Abramoff is under indictment in another case in connection with an allegedly fraudulent Florida business deal.

Abramoff had deep roots in the conservative movement and rose to prominence by helping Republicans tap traditionally Democratic K Street lobbyists for campaign dollars. But in the eLottery fight, he employed a win-at-any-cost strategy that went so far as to launch direct-mail attacks on vulnerable House conservatives.

Abramoff quietly arranged for eLottery to pay conservative, anti-gambling activists to help in the firm's $2 million pro-gambling campaign, including Ralph Reed, former head of the Christian Coalition, and the Rev. Louis P. Sheldon of the Traditional Values Coalition. Both kept in close contact with Abramoff about the arrangement, e-mails show. Abramoff also turned to prominent anti-tax conservative Grover Norquist, arranging to route some of eLottery's money for Reed through Norquist's group, Americans for Tax Reform.

At one point, eLottery's backers even circulated a forged letter of support from Florida Gov. Jeb Bush ®.

Rudy declined to comment for this report. A spokesman for Reed -- now a candidate for lieutenant governor of Georgia -- said that he and his associates are unaware that any money they received came from gambling activities. Sheldon said that he could not remember receiving eLottery money and that he was unaware that Abramoff was involved in the campaign to defeat the bill. Norquist's group would say only that it had opposed the gambling ban on libertarian grounds.

Abramoff's lawyer declined requests for a comment.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...5101501539.html
davis¹³
Can you believe the callers on WJ this morning?


True believers who say they're being persecuted and people who say Republicans have just been caught misbehaving.
davis¹³
More from the Abramoff article:

Desperate Company

Like many Internet companies emerging from the overheated 1990s, eLottery's money was drying up in the spring of 2000.

The company was founded in 1993 on the gamble that even a small fraction of the market for helping states and others put lotteries online could be worth a billion dollars a year. But the company faced many obstacles.

In 1998, the Justice Department had used existing gambling laws to force eLottery to shut down its first online lottery venture, with an Idaho Indian tribe. ELottery had not earned a dime since.

The Senate had passed the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act in late 1999, aiming to make it easier for authorities to stop online gambling sites. With a companion bill by Rep. Robert W. Goodlatte (R-Va.) advancing in the House in the spring of 2000, eLottery was desperate to ramp up its Washington lobbying. It had to sell off assets to stay afloat and raise cash.

In May, eLottery hired Abramoff's firm, Preston Gates & Ellis LLP, for $100,000 a month, according to lobbying reports. In the following months, Abramoff directed the company to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to various organizations, faxes, e-mails and court records show. The groups included Norquist's Americans for Tax Reform; Sheldon's Traditional Values Coalition; companies affiliated with Reed; and a Seattle Orthodox Jewish foundation, Toward Tradition.

Robert Daum, a former eLottery official, said he could not recall the names of the groups that received the payments but noted that all the money spent by the company at Abramoff's direction was for the purpose of defeating the Internet bill.

"We were willing to pursue all legitimate means to ensure that outcome, as people do all the time in Washington," Daum said. "Nothing more, nothing less."

Arrayed against eLottery were many leading groups on the religious right who were pushing to ban Internet gambling, including the Moral Majority and the Christian Coalition. James Dobson, influential leader of Focus on the Family, praised the bill in an opinion piece for the New York Times.

Still, according to his strategy e-mails, Abramoff thought he could turn conservatives in the House against the bill. He seized on some compromise language in the bill making exceptions for jai alai and horse racing.


Abramoff's plan: argue that the legislation and its exemptions would actually expand legalized gambling.

Check in the Mail

To reach the House conservatives, Abramoff turned to Sheldon, leader of the Orange County, Calif. - based Traditional Values Coalition, a politically potent group that publicly opposed gambling and said it represented 43,000 churches. Abramoff had teamed up with Sheldon before on issues affecting his clients. Because of their previous success, Abramoff called Sheldon "Lucky Louie," former associates said.



Checks and e-mails obtained by The Post show that Abramoff recruited Reed to join Sheldon in the effort to pressure members of Congress. Reed had left the Christian Coalition in 1997 and started a political consulting firm in Georgia.

Abramoff asked eLottery to write a check in June 2000 to Sheldon's Traditional Values Coalition (TVC). He also routed eLottery money to a Reed company, using two intermediaries, which had the effect of obscuring the source.

The eLottery money went first to Norquist's foundation, Americans for Tax Reform (ATR), and then through a second group in Virginia Beach called the Faith and Family Alliance, before it reached Reed's company, Century Strategies. Norquist's group retained a share of the money as it passed through.

"I have 3 checks from elot: (1) 2 checks for $80K payable to ATR and (2) 1 check to TVC for $25K," Abramoff's assistant Susan Ralston e-mailed him on June 22, 2000. "Let me know exactly what to do next. Send to Grover? Send to Rev. Lou?"

Minutes later Abramoff responded, saying that the check for Sheldon's group should be sent directly to Sheldon, but that the checks for Norquist required special instructions: "Call Grover, tell him I am in Michigan and that I have two checks for him totaling 160 and need a check back for Faith and Family for $150K."

According to the e-mails, Reed provided the name and address where Norquist was supposed to send the money: to Robin Vanderwall at a location in Virginia Beach.

Vanderwall was director of the Faith and Family Alliance, a political advocacy group that was founded by two of Reed's colleagues and then turned over to Vanderwall, Vanderwall said and records show.

Vanderwall, a former Regent University Law School student and Republican operative, was later convicted of soliciting sex with minors via the Internet and is serving a seven-year term in Virginia state prison.

In a telephone interview, Vanderwall said that in July 2000 he was called by Reed's firm, Century Strategies, alerting him that he would be receiving a package. When it came, it contained a check payable to Vanderwall's group for $150,000 from Americans for Tax Reform, signed by Norquist. Vanderwall said he followed the instructions from Reed's firm -- depositing the money and then writing a check to Reed's firm for an identical amount.

"I was operating as a shell," Vanderwall said, adding that he was never told how the money was spent. He said: "I regret having had anything to do with it."


This is just what DeLay did. Accepted donations, laundered them and then funnelled the money to the texas Republican party, WHICH IS ILLEGAL.
davis¹³
The Abramoff piece was long but it is very good. It shows how he and his Republican allies played conservatives against one another and used Christians to defeat an anti-gambling bill by funneling hudreds of thousands of dollars to their organzations. It also shows how money has poisoned the evangelical movement in this country, turning them into more than willing white collar criminals.

The list of people who've been indicted is impressive. The list of Republicans involved on some level is even more impressive. Real Republican high rollers and insiders.

And today William Kristol whines about how conservative behavior is being criminalized.

Another reason to hate Republicans.
davis¹³
The Bush Forgery

Still, the Abramoff team was worried about the vote. So the eLottery forces pressed the argument that the Internet bill was an unfair infringement of the right of individual states to sell lottery tickets online. Amid the frenzied lobbying, a potentially influential letter making that case began circulating on Capitol Hill. It was purportedly signed by Jeb Bush.

"While I am no fan of gambling, I see this bill as a violation of states' rights and I am looking to prevent this encroachment," the letter said.

A surprised Hill staffer called the Florida governor's office, and the letter was exposed as a forgery.

Months later, a little-noted investigation by Florida authorities resulted in a confession from a Tampa man hired by a division of Shandwick Worldwide, a public affairs company. Shandwick was working on the eLottery account with Abramoff's team. The Florida man, Matthew Blair, told authorities in a plea bargain agreement that he was hired to get letters opposing the bill from the governor and others. He said he created the forged letter on his own after he was unable to obtain one from Bush's office.

Brian Berger, then a Shandwick official, said his firm had been hired to produce the letters by Abramoff associate Michael Scanlon, a former DeLay press aide. Berger said in a recent interview that although he and Scanlon knew Blair, they did not sanction the forgery. "Essentially, we had a bad operative," Berger said.
davis¹³
The Christian Coalition issued an "action alert." Dobson took to the airwaves, saying, "I'm just sick about what the Republican leadership is doing with regard to gambling." He urged listeners to contact DeLay and other House leaders to revive the measure.

Abramoff's team realized there was no way to win enough support for a simple majority because they were down more than two dozen votes. Instead, they had to persuade the leadership to keep the bill off the House floor, despite intense pressure from Goodlatte and another backer, Rep. W.J. "Billy" Tauzin (R-La.) .

On July 21, DeLay's legislative director, Kathryn Lehman, e-mailed Rudy: "Goodlatte and Tauzin asked Tom [DeLay] what they needed to do to get his vote, and Tom said to talk to you!"

Rudy immediately forwarded the e-mail to Abramoff asking for help.

Documents show that Abramoff's strategy was to dispatch Sheldon to pressure about 10 social conservatives in their home districts, accusing them of being soft on gambling for supporting Goodlatte's bill. Abramoff's group hoped those members would stir fears among House leaders that another vote on the gambling bill could threaten those members and thus the GOP's thin 13-seat majority.

On Aug. 18, Abramoff faxed a message to eLottery's Daum ordering more money for Reed's activities. "I have chatted with Ralph and we need to get the funding moving on the effort in the 10 congressional districts," Abramoff wrote. "Please get me a check as soon as possible for $150,000 made payable to American Marketing Inc. This is the company Ralph is using."

ELottery issued the requested check to American Marketing on Aug. 24 and delivered it to Abramoff at Preston Gates. Five days later, Abramoff e-mailed Reed. The subject, "Internet Gambling: And so it continues." The message asked, "Where are we? You got the check, no? Are things moving?"

Reed answered the next day: "1. Yes, they got it. 2. Yes, all systems go."


tsk, tsk, tsk. Ralph Reed, conservative evangelical hypocrite. He ended up getting 4 million.
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Oct 16 2005, 08:49 AM)
The Bush Forgery

Brian Berger, then a Shandwick official, said his firm had been hired to produce the letters by Abramoff associate Michael Scanlon, a former DeLay press aide. Berger said in a recent interview that although he and Scanlon knew Blair, they did not sanction the forgery. "Essentially, we had a bad operative," Berger said.
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davis¹³
Read the whole thing. The interplay between all these factions and the level of dishonesty is interesting.

Seems checks were flying like snowflakes.
davis¹³
Chilling Effect

Rudy, who had known Abramoff for years, went to work for Abramoff when the lobbyist switched law firms, to Greenberg Traurig LLP, in January 2001.

Rudy's wife, Lisa, was also drawn into Abramoff's orbit. She was paid fees by Toward Tradition, the Seattle-based Orthodox Jewish foundation that often allies with the Christian right on social issues. The foundation is headed by longtime Abramoff friend Rabbi Daniel Lapin and the lobbyist served as chairman of the board.

Toward Tradition was issued a $25,000 check dated Aug. 24, 2000, by eLottery. A copy of the check was obtained by The Post. Daum, the former eLottery official, said he could not remember the check but said all funds Abramoff directed him to spend were intended to defeat the Internet gambling bill.

Lapin said in an interview that he could not remember a check from eLottery but that the company could have made donations to his foundation. He said that any such donation would have been separate from his foundation's hiring of Liberty Consulting, a political firm founded and operated by Lisa Rudy.

"Lisa Rudy worked for us for six months -- six to nine months -- to organize groundwork for a conference," Lapin said. He said she was paid more than $25,000 but was unsure exactly how and when Lisa Rudy was hired. Lapin said her work could have been for an interfaith conference held in Washington in mid-September 2000. That conference, which opened a few weeks after the eLottery check was sent to Toward Tradition, featured such speakers as DeLay, Sheldon and Norquist.

Rudy declined to comment on the Toward Tradition contract and said that his wife was not available for a comment.

A month after the interfaith conference, the gambling bill's sponsors agitated to get House leaders to let them attach the measure to an end-of-the-year spending bill.

But Sheldon's campaign in conservative districts had the desired chilling effect on GOP leaders. That became clear on Oct. 24, when House Republicans met to discuss their year-end strategy.

What happened at the meeting was relayed to Abramoff by a former associate, David H. Safavian, who was then a lobbyist for a coalition of online gambling companies and who this month was indicted for allegedly lying to federal investigators in the Abramoff probe.

DeLay, Safavian wrote in an e-mail, "spoke up and noted that the bill could cost as many as four House seats. At that point, there was silence. Not even Rep. Dick Armey (R-Texas) -- our previous opponent -- said a word."

When Congress prepared to adjourn in 2000 without revisiting the gambling bill, Safavian was ecstatic. He sent his clients an e-mail, which was posted on the Web site of the Fantasy Sports Trade Association.

"Relax a bit," Safavian wrote. "Policy beat politics once again. (Maybe the American system isn't really that bad.) The good guys won."


Well buddy, seeing as though you are going to prison ... perhaps the good guys can win. But it isn't you.
Human Ills
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Oct 12 2005, 07:36 PM)
Imply liberals are traitors again and you'll get a worse response. Color you unbelievable.
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liberals are traitors.
davis¹³
You'd think, judging by the Contract for America, Republicans could clean their own house. But no, they will just point and shout, "What about them??? WAAAAAA!!!!"

It's just a joke.


Morals? Where?


Values? Where?


Bring it on!!

These two-faced criminal dirtbags disgust me. Now here's something from Newsmax.

WAAAAA!!! What about him???WAAAAAA!!!





Saturday, Oct. 15, 2005 12:08 p.m. EDT

GOP Steamrolled by Dem Investigations


Democrats have discovered the tool which they believe will finally wrest control of both Congress and the White House from GOP hands in the next few years - and they may very well turn out to be right.

Scandalmongering.

Just a few short years ago, Dems were complaining about the politics of personal destruction, with friendly pollsters reminding at regular intervals that the public was suffering from "scandal fatigue."

But Democrats and their media friends are fatigued no longer. With Tom DeLay forced to step down over bogus charges of "money laundering," Bill Frist under investigation for the sale of stock in his family business and Karl Rove, according to breathless media predictions, about to be indicted any second now - happy days are here again.

What's wrong with this picture?


Simply this: A little GOP scrutiny directed towards a myriad of alleged crimes perpetrated by Democrats could easily neutralize their ability to wage the current investigative jihad.

Yet the Republican controlled Justice Department and congressional oversight committees refuse to lift a finger.

While a special prosecutor threatens to upend the Bush White House with indictments of top aides Karl Rove and Lewis Libby, former national security advisor Sandy Berger continues to carry on as a trusted advisor to both Bill and Hillary Clinton - and remains a respected "expert" in media circles.

Why? Because the Bush Justice Department let Berger off earlier this year with a slap on the wrist plea bargain after he confessed to stealing and destroying top secret national security documents.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/10/15/120945.shtml

No accountability from any of the alleged cough, cough Republican felons, just a cry that the other guys do it too.
SpaceCowboy
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"The other guys do it too" isn't much of a defense when the speakers ran against the "others" corruption to begin with.

Not to mention the fact that the "they did it too" defense is itself an admission of guilt.
Friend Judy
The complaints that this is the "criminalization of politics as usual" isn't getting any traction with me. Politics as usual HAS become criminal, and it's time to pull back to merely dirty and uncivil.
Nomarchy
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after he confessed to stealing and destroying top secret national security documents.


Is the bolded part true?
cspanjunky
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Oct 16 2005, 02:19 PM)
The complaints that this is the "criminalization of politics as usual" isn't getting any traction with me.  Politics as usual HAS become criminal, and it's time to pull back to merely dirty and uncivil.
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bring back caning (?)
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Is the bolded part true?
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Sandy Berger fined $50,000 for taking documents
Must perform 100 hours of community service

Thursday, September 8, 2005; Posted: 5:16 p.m. EDT (21:16 GMT)




WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger was sentenced Thursday to community service and probation and fined $50,000 for illegally removing highly classified documents from the National Archives and intentionally destroying some of them.

Berger must perform 100 hours of community service and pay the fine as well as $6,905 for the administrative costs of his two-year probation, a district court judge ruled.

"I deeply regret the actions that I took at the National Archives two years ago, and I accept the judgment of the court," Berger said outside the courthouse after his sentencing.

"I'm glad that the 9/11 commission has made clear that it received all the documents that it sought, all the documents that it needed, and I'm pleased to finally have this matter resolved," he added.

Berger reached a plea deal with federal prosecutors in April to avoid a jail sentence.

At that time, he said the reason he took the documents was so he could prepare himself and others to assist the 9/11 commission, which investigated the circumstances surrounding the 2001 terrorist attacks and published a report of its findings last year.

The documents taken by Berger dealt with the terror threats during the 2000 millennium celebration, according to parties in the case.

According to the charges, Berger -- between September 2 and October 2, 2003 -- "knowingly removed classified documents from the National Archives and Records Administration and stored and retained such documents at places," such as his private Washington office.

Berger's associates admit he took five copies of an after-action report detailing the 2000 millennium terror plot from the Archives. The aides say Berger returned to his office, discovered that three of the copies appeared to be duplicates and cut them up with scissors.

The revelations were a dramatic change from Berger's claim last year that he had made an "honest mistake" and either misplaced or unintentionally threw the documents away.

When Archives officials contacted him after they realized documents were missing, Berger told them about the two copies he had, and returned them, along with his handwritten notes, officials said.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/08/berger.sentenced/

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