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Nomarchy
QUOTE(Human Ills @ Oct 17 2005, 09:47 PM)
I know what you're getting at. I'm telling you I have the good sense not to bite in this particular instance. My position, that I couldn't say, is the correct stance to take.
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Touche'.
Nomarchy
QUOTE(Human Ills @ Oct 17 2005, 09:49 PM)
They are a check against a government that seeks to lock up,say, political enemies, yes.
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Are you sure you want to codify that, or would you rather it remained in the 'nether'-zone of 'civil disobedience' that no one has to 'flaunt'?

I mean, in a way, it is IMPOSSIBLE fully to prevent jury nullification. So, why not just let it exist as a 'radical possibility', instead of making it into a principle.

For, as Nomarchy is my 'name', that just doesn't fly.
SpaceCowboy
I saw a video clip from an Austin station with an interview with the Grand Jury Foreman.

The guy took offense to the notion that the grand jury indictment was political. Y’all should listen to the clip. He sure doesn’t sound like no flamin’ liberal. Pure Texas.

Former sheriff’s deputy and insurance investigator.
SRX
Anybody interview the jury that REFUSED to indict?
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(SpeedRacerXxtreme @ Oct 18 2005, 01:05 AM)
Anybody interview the jury that REFUSED to indict?
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I dunno. The man they interviewed was not eager to be on TV (he didn't want his picture shown), but he allowed the station to film him in his home while he talked, and be identified by name and address.
SRX
I'm as skeptical about what I don't see as what I do.
Grigorii
QUOTE(SpeedRacerXxtreme @ Oct 17 2005, 10:34 PM)
It looks fair. For a politician trusting "a ways" is like "a ways" is a distance  to Carl Sagan.
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Sport Nader wasn't a politician, just an honest man running for government. Trying to paint him as one just will not wash. He spent his life trying to make all our lives better, and he ran for the Presidency the same reasons. AV can distrust the man all he likes that changes nothing about his life. I was proud to cast a vote for him. He was a far better man and much brighter man than the other two schmucks in the race. Plus he was right as rain about the “duopoly.” If I could get my hands on the bastard behind that pie attack On Mr. Nader I’d rip his balls of and feed them him.
davis¹³
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Oct 18 2005, 12:12 AM)
It's rare when a criminal defendant has the raw power to go after the prosecutor directly.

The usual approach even for rich folk is to try the case in court.
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Limbaugh did it too.
davis¹³
QUOTE(SpeedRacerXxtreme @ Oct 18 2005, 12:43 AM)
Only they can rightfully say you're guilty, and only in a legal sense. If you want to judge moral guilt a church might be a better place.
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Not a Republican centered church, that's for damned sure. They'd lie like crazy to protect DeLay. Honesty means nothing.
davis¹³
Lawmaker's Abramoff Ties Investigated
Ohio's Ney Has Disavowed Lobbyist

By James V. Grimaldi and Susan Schmidt
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, October 18, 2005; Page A01

As federal officials pursue a wide-ranging investigation into the activities of Washington lobbyist Jack Abramoff, his arrest on fraud charges in the purchase of a Florida casino boat company has increasingly focused attention on a little-known congressman from rural Ohio.



Ney approved a 2002 license for an Israeli telecommunications company to install antennas for the House. The company later paid Abramoff $280,000 for lobbying. It also donated $50,000 to a charity that Abramoff sometimes used to secretly pay for some of his lobbying activities.

Meanwhile, Ney accepted many favors from Abramoff, among them campaign contributions, dinners at the lobbyist's downtown restaurant, skybox fundraisers, including one at his MCI Center box, and a golfing trip to Scotland in August 2002. If statements made by Abramoff to tribal officials and in an e-mail are to be believed, Ney sought the Scotland trip after he agreed to help Abramoff's Texas Indian clients. Abramoff then arranged for his charity to pay for the trip, according to documents released by a Senate committee investigating the lobbyist.


Ney is under investigation by Florida federal prosecutors looking into Abramoff's acquisition of SunCruz, according to sources familiar with the investigation who spoke on the condition of anonymity. Abramoff and his business partner Adam Kidan were indicted in August on fraud charges related to the purchase.

Ney declined to be interviewed. He has said his actions benefiting Abramoff had nothing to do with the favors he received. He said he was misled by Abramoff and his associates.

"I am absolutely outraged by the dishonest and duplicitous words and actions of Jack Abramoff," Ney said last year when Abramoff's statements about Ney first came up in e-mails released by the Senate Indian Affairs Committee. "As the testimony at both committee hearings has revealed, Jack Abramoff repeatedly lied to advance his own financial interests."


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So he's a typical corrupt Republican. Evvvvvvertone does itttttt.... laugh.gif laugh.gif
Abramoff, whose attorneys declined to comment for this article, has publicly denied that he misled Ney.

This spring, Ney hired a prominent Washington criminal defense lawyer, Mark Tuohey, to handle inquiries from the Justice Department and congressional investigators pursuing the widening scandal. Tuohey has not returned phone calls in recent weeks to discuss his client.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...5101701918.html
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(Grigorii @ Oct 18 2005, 02:59 AM)
If I could get my hands on the bastard behind that  pie attack On Mr. Nader I’d  rip his balls of and feed them him.
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I wouldn't mind seeing that. Can't have a political system where people can't speak freely without fear for their personal safety.

Of course that goes for Coulter and Horowitz too.
roserose
Location, location, location
davis¹³
DeLay politics may carry heavy price



Over lunch at the Sunset Grove Country Club in Orange, Texas, businessman Pete Cloeren lamented to Rep. Tom DeLay that he couldn't do more to help his friend Brian Babin get elected to Congress. Cloeren had personally given all he was allowed, and the law wouldn't let him donate money from his plastics company.




DeLay had a solution, Cloeren said. "There are ways we get money moved around the system," Cloeren recalls him saying. "He told us at the lunch table that this was done all the time."

The day after the lunch in 1996, Cloeren says, a DeLay aide called with instructions to donate to several out-of-state political committees and candidates. After Cloeren did so, those committees directed like amounts to Babin's campaign.

Cloeren later pleaded guilty to campaign-finance violations, but the man he says advised him escaped any consequences. The Federal Election Commission dismissed Cloeren's complaint against DeLay for lack of evidence, and DeLay denied wrongdoing.


But the scenario Cloeren describes bears a striking similarity to transactions that have led to DeLay's indictment by two Texas grand juries in the past three weeks and his removal, at least temporarily, as House majority leader. One of the most effective House Republican leaders is sidelined as the chamber approaches crucial and difficult votes on spending cuts. DeLay is scheduled to make his first court appearance Friday in Austin.

"Based on the allegations, it seems that Tom DeLay has no problem with recommending the use of conduits to hide the source of money going to campaigns," said Larry Noble, director of the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics, which studies money in politics. Noble was chief counsel to the FEC at the time of Cloeren's complaint about DeLay. "He seems to be somebody who likes playing in the gray areas, and occasionally stepping over the line."

DeLay maintains he has never done anything wrong and calls the charges "blatant political partisanship" by Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle, a Democrat. "I am innocent," he says. "Mr. Earle and his staff know it. And I will prove it."

DeLay's lawyer, Dick DeGuerin, charged Monday in a letter to Earle that the prosecutor had "tried to coerce a guilty plea" from his client to a misdemeanor, under the threat that if he didn't do it he would face a felony indictment.

From a base in suburban Houston, DeLay has raised money and used his power to redraw the Texas political map. The same aggressiveness that has landed him in legal trouble has given him an impressive list of friends in high places. His former protégé Dennis Hastert is speaker of the House of Representatives. Many House members owe their elections to his financial help. Former DeLay aides occupy powerful posts in and outside government — which helps explain why DeLay is so defiant in the face of trouble.

That trouble includes two indictments in Texas, for alleged money laundering and conspiracy, in connection with fundraising to help elect Republicans to the state Legislature. He also figures in the activities of Jack Abramoff and former DeLay aide Michael Scanlon, lobbyists under federal investigation for allegedly defrauding Indian tribes out of millions of dollars.

Lucrative networking

At his moment of legal and political peril, DeLay can count on a wide and influential network of allies — critics such as the group Common Cause call it "DeLay Inc." — sprinkled throughout Texas and, especially, the nation's capital.

Four of every five House Republicans have received campaign contributions from DeLay, and he has traveled across the country to raise millions more. DeLay's absence as the No. 2 House leader is being treated by his colleagues as temporary, until his legal situation is resolved.

His former aides are in powerful posts throughout Washington. Former chiefs of staff are prominent lobbyists, including Tim Berry, who just went to work for Time Warner. Other former aides represent top corporations — FedEx, Verizon, Microsoft, Pfizer, Motorola, Walt Disney, ChevronTexaco — and key trade groups.

The former aides multiply DeLay's clout by steering money from their wealthy clients to help DeLay and GOP causes. In 2002, former DeLay legislative director Drew Maloney, a lobbyist, rounded up $152,500 from energy corporations for DeLay's leadership PAC. The money bought entree to an exclusive golf outing at the Homestead resort in western Virginia, as Congress was putting the final touches on a major energy bill, according to records compiled for a House ethics investigation.


Lobbyist Richard Bornemann described the need to donate in a confidential memo to his client, the electric utility Western Resources (now Westar Energy): "The most beneficial way to spend corporate dollars — as opposed to cutting personal or PAC (political action committee) checks — is with the House leadership. That means joining the fold, so to speak, of House Majority Leader Tom DeLay." The memo was posted on the House ethics committee's website.

"DeLay knows that reciprocity is the strongest norm in Washington," said James Thurber of American University. "The clients know they have a relationship and that they have to come up with the money. It's very clear to them, and they do it."

"He is very good at keeping people as part of his extended family," said Stuart Roy, a former DeLay spokesman who is at the lobbying firm DCI Group. "It gives him additional reach and additional eyes and ears."

The reach of DeLay's influence was no accident. With GOP anti-tax activist Grover Norquist, he created the K Street Project, named after the downtown Washington corridor that is home to many lobbying firms. The project places Republicans in high-paying, high-powered lobbying jobs with access to top officials in the corporate and political worlds.

Since Republicans captured House control in 1994, the effort has remade the capital's lobbying culture — which had been tilted toward Democrats after decades of that party's domination of Congress — in a more Republican mold.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/20...-politics_x.htm
Friend Judy

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,171007,00.html

WALLACE: OK, let's talk about the criminal charge against you. And we put together a graphic, and let's put it up on the screen, that may help.

Here's a graphic that shows the allegation, that TRMPAC (search), a Texas political action committee that you set up, raised corporate funds, which are barred in Texas, for state races. Then TRMPAC sent a check, the one we see there, for $190,000, including corporate money, to an arm of the Republican National Committee.

Along with the check, one of the people who ran TRMPAC allegedly sent a list of seven Texas Republican candidates, and they received contributions from another account of the Republican National Committee.

Before we get into your involvement, did all that happen?

DELAY: I don't know if it happened or not, the way you said it. The way I've read it, probably so, but let me tell you, this is an open and transparent process. Both Democrats and Republicans do it almost every day during the election season. And in our case, it's Republican groups working with each other to help elect Republicans.

It is legal in Texas to raise corporate funds to pay for administrative purposes. That's what TRMPAC did — legal. They had money left over and wanted that money to go legally to other candidates, so they send it to the Republican National State Elections Committee, who then takes that money legally raised and sends it out to candidates in 26 states that can take that kind of money.
WALLACE: But...

DELAY: On the other hand — let me finish. This is very important.

And that's one track. The other track is the RNSEC was already sending money to candidates in Texas. They knew who the targeted races were. You didn't have to tell them. They pick up the phone and call the state chairman and ask them where the races are.

So they send money raised from individuals to the candidates in Texas — all legal, has been legal for years. Nothing's wrong with it, and yet Ronnie Earle seems to think that he can change election law through the courts.

WALLACE: But if they sent the $190,000 check with banned corporate money, banned to go to state races, and send that along with a list of "Here are seven candidates, and give this one $20,000, give this one $10,000," isn't that, in effect, a form of money laundering, that you're taking money that's banned from Texas state races and funneling it through the Republican National Committee (search) to get it back to the Texas state candidates?

DELAY: It hasn't been proved that there was a list provided along with the check. That's what the courts are for.

Friend Judy
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-10-17-delay-politics_x.htm

DeLay politics may carry heavy price
By Jim Drinkard, USA TODAY

Over lunch at the Sunset Grove Country Club in Orange, Texas, businessman Pete Cloeren lamented to Rep. Tom DeLay that he couldn't do more to help his friend Brian Babin get elected to Congress. Cloeren had personally given all he was allowed, and the law wouldn't let him donate money from his plastics company.

DeLay had a solution, Cloeren said. "There are ways we get money moved around the system," Cloeren recalls him saying. "He told us at the lunch table that this was done all the time."

The day after the lunch in 1996, Cloeren says, a DeLay aide called with instructions to donate to several out-of-state political committees and candidates. After Cloeren did so, those committees directed like amounts to Babin's campaign.

Cloeren later pleaded guilty to campaign-finance violations, but the man he says advised him escaped any consequences. The Federal Election Commission dismissed Cloeren's complaint against DeLay for lack of evidence, and DeLay denied wrongdoing.

But the scenario Cloeren describes bears a striking similarity to transactions that have led to DeLay's indictment by two Texas grand juries in the past three weeks and his removal, at least temporarily, as House majority leader. One of the most effective House Republican leaders is sidelined as the chamber approaches crucial and difficult votes on spending cuts. DeLay is scheduled to make his first court appearance Friday in Austin.

"Based on the allegations, it seems that Tom DeLay has no problem with recommending the use of conduits to hide the source of money going to campaigns," said Larry Noble, director of the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics, which studies money in politics. Noble was chief counsel to the FEC at the time of Cloeren's complaint about DeLay. "He seems to be somebody who likes playing in the gray areas, and occasionally stepping over the line."

DeLay maintains he has never done anything wrong and calls the charges "blatant political partisanship" by Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle, a Democrat. "I am innocent," he says. "Mr. Earle and his staff know it. And I will prove it." (much more)


At least I can say this for him: DeLay seems to genuinely believe these detour things are legal.
Bee
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Oct 18 2005, 05:41 PM)
At least I can say this for him:  DeLay seems to genuinely believe these detour things are legal.
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Nah. He's just being coached by a roach.

This is what DeLay believes in: $$$

All that's all he believes in. Why not? It's got him pretty far.

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Friend Judy
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http://select.nytimes.com/2005/10/18/opinion/18tierney.html?hp

A Very Special Scandal

By JOHN TIERNEY
Published: October 18, 2005

Early last weekend, Karl Rove and Scooter Libby could have found slight solace by checking Intrade, the online futures market that correctly called all 50 states in last year's presidential election and settled on Cardinal Ratzinger as the favorite four days before he was elected pope. On Saturday morning, the traders gave Rove and Libby a slightly better than even chance of escaping indictment.

By Sunday morning, it was a different story. The traders put the chances of indictment at 62 percent for Rove and 88 percent for Libby. The sudden change of heart coincided with stories in Sunday's New York Times giving details of the grand jury testimony of its reporter Judith Miller.


Hey, AV, what's NewsFutures got to say about all this?
Arturo_Vandelay
http://news.us.newsfutures.com/

39% Rove gets indicted.
judy
And now for the important news ....

By Argus Hamilton


Ted Kennedy attempted to rescue six men trapped by a high tide on a jetty at Hyannisport Sunday but had to leave it to firefighters. He tried to rescue the men using a thirteen-foot boat until rough waters forced him back. He should have taken the car.


The Minnesota Vikings had an orgy during a boat cruise on Thursday. The team issued a written apology for the public display of sex and drinking and drug use. The NFL commissioner reviewed it carefully and decided to make it a form letter.


The Chicago White Sox won the pennant for the first time in forty-five years Sunday. They play in south Chicago in Al Capone's old neighborhood. At the request of the Braille Institute the team doesn't sell bathtub gin after the seventh inning.


Hollywood's lobbyist Dan Glickman told Fox News Sunday he wishes stars would stay out of politics. He went from being Agriculture Secretary to Hollywood's top lobbyist on Capitol Hill. It's regarded as a lateral move in the fertilizer industry.


New York Times reporter Judy Miller will address the Society of Professional Journalists this week in Las Vegas. It's at the Aladdin Hotel. When she sees the billboards she's going to wish she had never been photographed wearing handcuffs.


Newt Gingrich in a speech in Alabama Thursday charged that Democrats have no foreign policy ideas of their own. Blame lack of leadership. It's not like the days of the Clinton Doctrine, which declared that monogamy is the enemy of free will.


The Minnesota Vikings held an orgy on a boat cruise last Thursday that could cost them a taxpayer-financed stadium. They may have to move. Los Angeles fans knew if we stood by our principles we would eventually get an NFL team that reflects our values.


New England was flooded Friday as wildfires threatened Los Angeles only four weeks after killer hurricanes laid waste to the Gulf Coast. It's no coincidence. Nobody's life or property can be considered safe when the U.S. Congress is in session.


British stage star Daniel Craig was cast Thursday as James Bond. Critics are asking why such a serious actor would take such a shallow role. Other than the fame and the cash and the power and the women it's the emptiest existence imaginable.


The New Orleans Police Department was sued Friday over the videotaped beating of a black suspect last week. He was accused of walking the streets drunk in the French Quarter. It is a misdemeanor in New Orleans to get a head start on everybody.


Harriet Miers's past law articles surfaced Friday. She advocated affirmative action, legal aid for the poor and higher taxes to ensure justice for all. She ought to withdraw before they find out she was Diane Keaton's stunt double in Reds.



Bill and Hillary's first house in Fayetteville, Arkansas, was made into a museum Thursday. It leaves you wistful. The lamp fragments are so deeply embedded in the wall that anybody can see what a great softball pitcher Hillary might have been.


Howard Dean predicted the Democrats will retake Congress Friday. They'd better get some new ideas. Democrats aren't going to win any elections until they come up with something better than asking Michael Moore to make an anti-hurricane movie.


Hillary Clinton spoke to a synagogue in Beverly Hills on Thursday during the Yom Kippur services. Her writers think of everything. She got a huge round of applause when she reminded the congregation her husband's last girlfriend was Jewish.


New York Governor George Pataki announced Wednesday he will speak at an Iowa county Republican dinner later this month. He must be running for president. About the only other time you will see a New Yorker in Iowa is if the plane crashes.

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Human Ills
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Oct 18 2005, 12:45 PM)
Along with the check, one of the people who ran TRMPAC allegedly sent a list of seven Texas Republican candidates, and they received contributions from another account of the Republican National Committee.

Before we get into your involvement, did all that happen?

DELAY: I don't know if it happened or not, the way you said it. The way I've read it, probably so, but let me tell you, this is an open and transparent process. Both Democrats and Republicans do it almost every day during the election season. And in our case, it's Republican groups working with each other to help elect Republicans.
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Where's the list?
Human Ills
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Oct 18 2005, 12:45 PM)
Along with the check, one of the people who ran TRMPAC allegedly sent a list of seven Texas Republican candidates, and they received contributions from another account of the Republican National Committee.

Before we get into your involvement, did all that happen?

DELAY: I don't know if it happened or not, the way you said it. The way I've read it, probably so, but let me tell you, this is an open and transparent process. Both Democrats and Republicans do it almost every day during the election season. And in our case, it's Republican groups working with each other to help elect Republicans.
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I honestly don't know why you think this is damning.
judy
It's a start!

Senate votes to freeze pay raise this year
By Jim Abrams, Associated Press Writer | October 18, 2005

WASHINGTON --Senators on Tuesday agreed to give up their annual pay raise, saying they need to do their part to save the government a little money in light of the huge expenses from Hurricane Katrina and the growing budget deficit.

Congress is looking for ways to rein in spending, said Sen. Jon Kyl, who sponsored the pay freeze proposal. "It's hard to argue that this process shouldn't include our own salaries." It passed 92-6.

Under Kyl's amendment to a spending bill covering federal workers, senators would forgo the estimated 1.9 percent cost-of-living increase that would otherwise have automatically gone into effect unless the Senate voted to reject it.
The pay increase, also applicable to House members, would boost the salary for rank-and-file lawmakers by $3,100 to $165,200.

Not every senator saw the vote as totally selfless.

"It's the annual hypocrisy day in the United States Senate," said Sen. James Inhoffe, R-Okla., who said he had voted against similar measures in the past but would support it this year because "we've never seen a situation like it is today."

He said the vote has always allowed members seeking reelection to "go home and say 'look what I've done, I've stopped us from having a pay raise.'"

Kyl said that giving up this year's COLA would save the federal treasury about $2 million. Congress is currently trying to find some $50 billion in savings to offset the spending needed to rebuild the hurricane-hit Gulf Coast area.

The House earlier approved a similar spending bill with only one lawmaker speaking out against the pay increase. But House conservatives have recently revived the issue in a package of proposals to cut federal spending and reduce the budget deficit.

The two chambers will need to take a common stance on the issue when they meet to work out differences between their two bills.

Republicans froze salaries for several years after gaining the majority in 1995, but in seven of the past eight years lawmakers have accepted cost-of-living increases, usually with little or no debate.

Salaries stood at $101,900 in 1991 and have gone up from $133,600 in 1997.

Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, noted that Republicans took over the amendment this year when it was certain to pass. He said Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., has been the lone Senate voice opposing the pay raises for years, "and no one can take away the fact that this has always been Russ Feingold's mantra."

Voting against the pay freeze were Sens. Kit Bond, R-Mo.; Richard Lugar, R-Ind.; Jeff Bingaman, D-N.M.; Paul Sarbanes, D-Md.; Daniel Inouye, D-Hawaii and James Jeffords, I-Vt. Sens. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., and Jon Corzine, D-N.J., did not vote.

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Friend Judy
QUOTE(Human Ills @ Oct 18 2005, 06:19 PM)
I honestly don't know why you think this is damning.
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I posted the quote in response to your questioning my accuracy in saying DeLay had said they do it in "29 other states". I -was- inaccurate; it was 26 other states.
Bee
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2 DeLay Associates in No Hurry for Trial
By APRIL CASTRO, Associated Press Writer Fri Oct 14, 6:22 PM ET

AUSTIN, Texas - Attorneys for two co-defendants of Rep. Tom DeLay made it clear Friday they're not in the same rush to get to trial as the former House majority leader and they want to distance themselves in other ways as well.

The defense team for Jim Ellis and John Colyandro is hoping to persuade appeals courts to dismiss the charges. DeLay has said he wants to get to trial as quickly as possible.

Ellis and Colyandro were released Friday on $10,000 personal bonds on the two most recent charges against them stemming from allegations of campaign-finance wrongdoing in 2002 Texas legislative races.

"Mr. DeLay can go to trial when he wishes to without us. And we'll pursue the process that we've invoked and hopefully get a ruling from the appellate court that brings all this to an end," said attorney J.D. Pauerstein, who represents Ellis.

State District Judge Bob Perkins on Friday agreed to wait for rulings from an appeals court on motions to dismiss charges before setting a trial date.

DeLay, Ellis and Colyandro all are awaiting trial in the case in which prosecutors allege there was a scheme to circumvent Texas' ban on using corporate money for state legislative campaigns.

Pauerstein and attorney Joe Turner, who represents Colyandro, also said they had no part in television ads that a national conservative organization began running this week criticizing the prosecution of DeLay. Turner said the ads were inappropriate and should be stopped.

"If there was money out there for those kind of ads, we'd ask that it be given to the defense fund and not for some attack ads," Turner said. "We don't think that has any place over here."

The Washington, D.C.-based Free Enterprise Fund, acting in support of DeLay, sponsored the ads that compared District Attorney Ronnie Earle to an attack dog.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051014/ap_on_...DMzBHNlYwM3MDM-


Does public opinion have anything to do with this indictment?

I really don't see the purpose of these ads.
davis¹³
QUOTE(Bee @ Oct 19 2005, 07:14 AM)
Does public opinion have anything to do with this indictment?

I really don't see the purpose of these ads.
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Slander. Normal Republican strategy. Hubris?
davis¹³
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Human Ills
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Oct 18 2005, 05:04 PM)
I posted the quote in response to your questioning my accuracy in saying DeLay had said they do it in "29 other states".  I -was- inaccurate; it was 26 other states.
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I know why you posted it. I still don't know why you think it damning. His take sounded reasonable to me.
davis¹³
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RoccoR
davis¹³,

I loved this.

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I made a copy and sent it to my wife. She is currently assigned as a Case Manager at Bankrutcy Court.

Best Regards,
davis¹³
A cartoon is worth a thousand criticisms.
Friend Judy
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WASHINGTON - The Republican National Committee continued to raise more money than its Democratic counterpart by a 2-1 margin in the third quarter of the year, party officials said Thursday.

The RNC raised just over $19 million in the third quarter of the year, while the    Democratic National Committee raised $10.7 million. The national Republican party has raised $78.5 million so far this year, said communications director Brian Jones. The national Democratic committee, meanwhile, has raised $39.2 million, according to party spokesman Josh Earnest.

The RNC has $34 million in the bank, while the DNC has $6.8 million on hand, the officials said.

Both parties interrupted fundraising temporarily after Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf coast.

As for the campaign committees for House and Senate campaigns:

_The National Republican Congressional Committee (House) raised $12.6 million in the third quarter and has $17.7 million on hand, while the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (House) raised $9 million in the third quarter and has $11.3 million in the bank.

_In the Senate, the GOP's campaign committee raised $7.3 million in the third quarter and has $9.4 million on hand, and the Democrats' campaign committee raised $8.7 million in the third quarter and has $19 million in the bank.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051020/ap_on_...s/party_money_2

Gee, isn't it reassuring to know that, despite DeLay's woes, business as usual continues in DC?
Arturo_Vandelay
It's sad that in a free country people are allowed to donate money to candidates to get them elected.

For shame.
Friend Judy
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Todd J. Gillman:
DeLay remap wins may be his undoing

06:36 AM CDT on Sunday, October 16, 2005




WASHINGTON – Long before last month's indictments, Democrats were gunning for the gentleman from Sugar Land.

As a floor leader, Tom DeLay was maddeningly effective. As a fundraiser, he was formidable. As mastermind of the Texas redistricting plan that flipped a half-dozen House seats to the GOP, he proved himself a shrewd operator.

But as he fights for his freedom in court and his power in the House, the former majority leader has headaches in the Houston-area district he's held for two decades.

For that, he can partly blame himself, because he held effective veto power over the map that the Legislature adopted two years ago.

The district remains solidly Republican, but bolstering GOP strength across the state required Mr. DeLay to trade hundreds of thousands of voters with neighboring lawmakers. Their loyalties are being tested as he copes with criminal charges.

"Any time you give up territory and take on new territory, unless the numbers are significantly better on the partisan side, it's a sacrifice," said state Sen. Robert Duncan, R-Lubbock, who chaired the committee that handled redistricting. "It puts you at risk."

Democrats are hoping the transformation in District 22 will help give their man, Nick Lampson, the extra push needed to topple Mr. DeLay next year. Granted, Mr. DeLay won re-election last year with the new configuration. But his performance was lackluster: 55 percent against an unknown, underfunded challenger, nine points behind President Bush.

Redrawing districts often triggers a political butterfly effect. Flapping wings in a West Texas precinct set off a storm in Houston. To get the sort of map Mr. DeLay demanded, ending the careers of Dallas' Martin Frost, Mr. Lampson and other Democratic veterans, he had to accept some personal sacrifice.

Before redistricting, the DeLay district included most of his own Fort Bend County, three-fourths of Brazoria and a 4 percent sliver of Harris. Republican statewide candidates averaged 67 percent.

The new district is only slightly less "safe," with a 65.9 percent GOP vote. But equalizing populations across the state meant he had to give up most of Brazoria and a third of his Fort Bend contingent. The Harris portion doubled, and he got NASA-area precincts he very much wanted. But he also had to swallow a fifth of Galveston County – Democratic turf.

In the new district, three of every 10 voters had never been represented by Mr. DeLay before this year. Their loyalties and trust aren't cemented.

"He put himself at risk. Obviously, time is going to tell," said Mr. Lampson, who decided to challenge Mr. DeLay long before the indictments. "Certainly the amount of press that he's getting is not hurting my candidacy."

Mr. Lampson already enjoys a toehold in the district. He represented nearly a fifth of the electorate during his four House terms. Another 12 percent came from turf previously held by Democratic gubernatorial candidate Chris Bell, the one-term Houston congressman whose ethics complaint prompted admonishments of Mr. DeLay last year.

In Clear Lake, near NASA, Mr. Lampson leveraged his post as top-ranked Democrat on a space subcommittee to woo 40 percent of the vote in 2002. In the Galveston section, he hit 90 percent.

And the former Beaumont congressman enjoys advantages that the last challenger, lawyer Richard Morrison, lacked: He's a seasoned campaigner and a strong fundraiser, and the party is eager to pump money into the race.

"Even before these indictments were handed down, people in the district had serious concerns about Tom DeLay's inattentiveness to the things that are important to them, and the fact that he has to spend all his time fighting criminal charges and ethics charges just makes him more ineffective," said Bill Burton, spokesman for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

But DeLay spokeswoman Shannon Flaherty noted that Mr. Lampson lost his own redrawn district last fall.

"Congressman DeLay took one for the team" in redistricting, she said. "We fully expect Lampson to perform as pathetically in our district as he did in his own."


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...n2.429bcd8.html

There would be a certain poetic justice to DeLay getting voted out of office, wouldn't there?
judy
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Oct 20 2005, 08:32 PM)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051020/ap_on_...s/party_money_2

Gee, isn't it reassuring to know that, despite DeLay's woes, business as usual continues in DC?
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Are they getting campaign contributions from CHINA?
Nomarchy
QUOTE(judy @ Oct 20 2005, 05:49 PM)
Are they getting campaign contributions from CHINA?
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No, from the executives and major stock-holders of multi-nationals who're raking it in by doing business in and with China.

Friend Judy
The theory seems to be that it's only dirty money if you get it direct from China. You run it through Wal-Mart and wrap it up in red-white-and-blue money bands, and it ceases to be a bribe.
judy
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Oct 20 2005, 09:52 PM)
No, from the executives and major stock-holders of multi-nationals who're raking it in by doing business in and with China.
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Would that also include the WalMart customers?
judy
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Oct 20 2005, 10:02 PM)
The theory seems to be that it's only dirty money if you get it direct from China.  You run it through Wal-Mart and wrap it up in red-white-and-blue money bands, and it ceases to be a bribe.
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In the past three years, the value of the dollar has fallen by more than fifty per cent against the euro and twenty-five per cent against the yen.

The dollar has fallen for a simple reason: Americans spend a lot more than they save. American consumers, of course, are known for living on credit, and they buy hundreds of billions of dollars’ worth a year of foreign goods—cars, TVs, T-shirts, khakis

Americans don't do all their shopping at WalMart!
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Oct 20 2005, 07:32 PM)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051020/ap_on_...s/party_money_2

Gee, isn't it reassuring to know that, despite DeLay's woes, business as usual continues in DC?
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Dems raise money too. Just not very much of it. Are they just cheap or is it lack of interest?
Bart Katz
QUOTE(judy @ Oct 20 2005, 08:49 PM)
Are they getting campaign contributions from CHINA?
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Dunno if AlGore is involved or not. smile.gif
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Oct 20 2005, 08:52 PM)
No, from the executives and major stock-holders of multi-nationals who're raking it in by doing business in and with China.
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Chinese money laundry? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif rolleyes.gif
Nomarchy
QUOTE(judy @ Oct 20 2005, 06:02 PM)
Would that also include the WalMart customers?
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Would what include the WalMart customers?

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The dollar has fallen for a simple reason: Americans spend a lot more than they save. American consumers, of course, are known for living on credit, and they buy hundreds of billions of dollars’ worth a year of foreign goods—cars, TVs, T-shirts, khakis


Ok, explain the reasoning for the above. You claim to know your economics, so 'walk me through' it. Mind you, "Americans" includes all U.S. based corporations. They're not 'saving' either. But, do give me a primer on the valuation of the dollar vs other currencies, will ya?
judy
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Oct 20 2005, 10:11 PM)
Dems raise money too.  Just not very much of it.  Are they just cheap or is it lack of interest?
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There are "strings" attached.
judy
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Oct 20 2005, 10:12 PM)
Chinese money laundry?  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  rolleyes.gif
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Just the Chinese Hand Laundry. They wash hands.
judy
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Oct 20 2005, 10:17 PM)
Would what include the WalMart customers?
Ok, explain the reasoning for the above. You claim to know your economics, so 'walk me through' the above.  Mind you. "Americans" includes all U.S. based corporations. They're not 'saving' either. But, do give me a primer on the valuation of the dollar vs other currencies, will ya?
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I can only explain it to you in English, I'm not conversant in Greek.
Nomarchy
QUOTE(judy @ Oct 20 2005, 06:28 PM)
Just the  Chinese Hand Laundry.  They wash hands.
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I am sure you're working on explaining to me how the drop in the value of the dollar against the euro and the yen has been CAUSED by Americans' insatiable and, apparently, independently increasing effective demand for European, Japanese and other imports out of their current income and credit.

Nomarchy
QUOTE(judy @ Oct 20 2005, 06:29 PM)
I can only explain it to you in English,  I'm not conversant in Greek.
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Excuse me????

You want to try that again, lady????

Chances are I could outscore you on any English test of any sort, whatsoever, after a night of hard drinking.
judy
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Oct 20 2005, 10:32 PM)
I am sure you're working on explaining to me how the drop in the value of the dollar against the euro and the yen has been CAUSED by Americans' insatiable and, apparently, independently increasing effective demand for European, Japanese and other imports out of their current income and credit.
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Do I look like "INFORMATION DESK?" Pay attention or do you own research, we've been talking about it all evening.
Nomarchy
QUOTE(judy @ Oct 20 2005, 06:34 PM)
Do I look like "INFORMATION DESK?"  Pay attention or  do you own research, we've been talking about it all evening.
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Look, either put up or kindly, with sugar on top, be quiet.

This little trick of yours ain't going to cut it.

Either you know what you're talking about and can explain it, or you do not.

Like a good lawyer, I seldom ask questions (in a debate context) the answers to which I do not already know.

So, get busy.
judy
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Oct 20 2005, 10:33 PM)
Excuse me????

You want to try that again, lady????

Chances are I could outscore you on any English test of any sort, whatsoever, after a night of hard drinking.
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laugh.gif laugh.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif I don't have to get drunk to do things!
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