The plusses and minuses of fame. More people are out to get you, but you can afford a better defense.

From SherryB: "He'd have been in jail long ago if democrats had subpoena power.
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Another reason I stay on this board.

Earl wasn't the first person to open his yap to the press in this matter. He has prosecuted democrats five to one over Republicans. The simple unvarnished truth is Delouse is an arrogant crooked SOB and needs prosecuting and convicting. His fellow Republicans have had to bring his arrogant arse up before the ethics committee on charges four times, twice for similar charges to what Earl is prosecuting his crooked butt for.

That would be open to some debate.

If Earle convicts him then you all can have a new hero.

Capone was a criminal. So is DeLay.

Good to see you aren't biased. Maybe you can become a juror.

In DeLay's case, I have to say where there's been so much smoke, that there simply must be a fire or two.

Anyone that would use a children's charity as a front for a political fund raiser is beneath contempt. I could care less if it is technically legal. I'm sick of these low lives claiming to represent ordinary Americans.

They don't and have killed what was once the great Middle-Class of this Country. Maybe that isn't illegal, but it's not a trait one wants in a public servant.

Maybe, but I kept hearing that smoke x smoke x smoke = smoke.

But that was a while ago.

B: "Maybe that isn't illegal, but it's not a trait one wants in a public servant."

'Scuse me. Man goes door to door to bigger corp. door. Collects money, he does. Sends corp. money to DC 'cause Texas law says he can't use it. (I suppose he pockets the private cash for contengecies) Some money goes into what is commonly thought of as a 'blind (nod, wink) trust and then comes back to Texas from DC crop and it's dropped on new GOP candidates in newly redrawn districts (in which Delay had a BIG hand) in an otherwise unwinnable state of 'company store' 'business as usual' 'don't rock the vote' 'we're fixin to begin to commence to get around to it' fraud. Law is fun. PLEASE quote "Austin Statesman" with an opinion on this debauched (unrestrainedly and immorally self-indulgent) behavior. Hmmm. Kinda like...

Good cartoon. The press loves leaks, promotes leaks, defends leaks, then decries leaks.

Not to mention all the complaining about how close-lipped the Bush administration is.

This makes no sense. What was leaked was leaked on purpose and proactively. The 'media' did not "force' this leak, in the least.

As IF you don't actually know what this is about . . .

Same old thing. If they REALLY wanted to get back at Wilson he'd turn up like Vince Foster.

???????

Right, for he was murdered by the Clinton Mafia, right?

They couldn't get Clinton to off anyone this time.

That sh!t doesn’t play either, you think refining the Clinton was worse game excuses these crooked effers? What these bandits do stands on it's own hook and what Clinton did or did not do has absolutely NOTHING to do with their criminality and treasonous behavior. Eff Clinton too BTW, he was a stinking closet Republican and corporate friendly toady...but even with the Monica slut and assorted trailer trash he had ten times the class AND BRAINS of W.

According to the way you guys think all criminals ought to walk because they weren’t the first ones to commit their particular crime. The old he’s not guilty because Billy did it too. You will accept that the, dog ate my homework, and assorted asinine excuses have no appeal to adults.

Speedracer probably didn't realize some folks are so far left even Clinton is a crazed fascist.

Nah, it just puts the hypocrisy to the Clinton apologists.

Actually some fascist supporters are so far out in right field they think Clinton was a Liberal. Liberal was the last thing Slick Willie was.

Hell, David Rockefeller and the Fortune five hundred majority stock holders saved his Slick Willie arse from Senate conviction because he was their boy. Didn’t you see that full page NYT’s add bought by Rockefeller and signed by half of Wall Street In support of Billy boy at a critical juncture in the Senate trial? The Senators didn’t miss it…

No shit. And I'm sick and tired of Christians using the whoredog as some kind of twisted carte blanche approval for their illegal behavior. It's sickening.

It's not quite as bad as Ohio, but the Republicans here aren't quite as moral like they say. They whackos get em in office and they do their thing.


Donor says Ryan told him how to hide trail

Campaign contribution for low-digit plates



Friday, November 4, 2005

By Mike Ramsey

Copley News Service
CHICAGO - A prominent theater owner testified Thursday that ex-Gov. George Ryan told him how to conceal a campaign contribution he wanted to offer the Republican as a thank-you for low-digit license plates.

Anthony DeSantis said that at an August 1997 yacht party, he told Ryan, then secretary of state, he would like to donate $2,000 but preferred not to be "listed anywhere" in election records.

He said Ryan told him to write a $500 check to four people - the politician, his wife, their son and daughter-in-law - and provided him names and addresses. DeSantis said he cut the checks the following month.

"He was good to me because he had sent me license plates and I had sent him a $2,000 contribution," Desantis told jurors in Ryan's federal racketeering and fraud trial.

http://www.pjstar.com/stories/110405/REG_B81H1DQM.050.shtml

Nice clip on the radio. The only Senator ever to kill somebody drunk, then run away, talking about ethics and values needing to be part of the White House way of thinking.

So let me get this straight, because that ignorant, drunken mofo does that it's anything goes for YOUR ignorant mofos?

Rightwing morals are absolute, fucking BULLSHIT.

Here's your fucking liar doing what he does best.

Bush Declares: 'We Do Not Torture'

By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writer 17 minutes ago

PANAMA CITY, Panama -

President Bush vigorously defended U.S. interrogation practices in the war on terror Monday and lobbied against a congressional drive to outlaw torture.


"There's an enemy that lurks and plots and plans and wants to hurt America again," Bush said. "So you bet we will aggressively pursue them but we will do so under the law."

He declared, "We do not torture."

You see that rightwingers? You recognize that? It's a lie. Opposite of the truth. How many Abu Ghraib photos does this immoral sack of shit need to see? Blunt and to the point. He is lying, period. Case closed.

Over White House opposition, the Senate has passed legislation banning torture. With Vice President Dick Cheney as the point man, the administration is seeking an exemption for the CIA. It was recently disclosed that the spy agency maintains a network of prisons in eastern Europe and Asia, where it holds terrorist suspects.

The European Union is investigating the reports, which have not been confirmed by the White House.

"Our country is at war and our government has the obligation to protect the American people," Bush said. "Any activity we conduct is within the law. We do not torture."

You see that? That is a lie. You understand the concept, you dimwits?

Bush pointedly noted that Congress as well as the White House has an obligation to protect U.S. citizens.

Not only is the Republican-controlled Congress challenging an element of Bush's policy, but the Supreme Court agreed Monday to consider a challenge to the administration's handling of military tribunals for foreign terror suspects. The case, which won't be decided for months, is a major test of presidential wartime powers.

The United States is holding hundreds of foreign terrorism suspects, also, at the military base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Bush spoke at a news conference with Panamanian President Martin Torrijos on last day of five-day Latin America trip. Bush was ending the day in Virginia, where he was to campaign for Republican gubernatorial candidate Jerry Kilgore just ahead of Election Day.

On another issue, Bush ducked a question about the CIA leak investigation, declining to say whether he has lived up to his campaign pledge in 2000 to abide by the spirit of federal ethics laws.

"We take this investigation very seriously and we'll continue to cooperate during the investigation," he said.

Bush expressed his condolences to victims of a tornado that hit Indiana over the weekend.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051107/ap_on_...wh/bush_torture

Supreme Court to Hear Tribunals Challenge

By GINA HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer 31 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court agreed Monday to consider a challenge to the Bush administration's military tribunals for foreign terror suspects, a major test of the government's wartime powers and a case presenting the first conflict for new Chief Justice John Roberts.


Justices will decide whether
Osama bin Laden's driver can be tried for war crimes before military officers in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Roberts, as an appeals court judge, joined a summer ruling against Salim Ahmed Hamdan.

He did not participate in Monday's action, which put him in the difficult situation of sitting in judgment of one of his own rulings. Lawyers for Hamdan were expected to ask Roberts to participate in the case, to avoid a 4-4 tie.

The court's intervention was a surprise. In 2004 justices took the first round of cases stemming from the government's war on terrorism. Justice
Sandra Day O'Connor, who is retiring, wrote in one case that "a state of war is not a blank check for the president when it comes to the rights of the nation's citizens."

The announcement of the court's move came shortly after
President Bush, asked about reports of secret U.S. prisons in Eastern Europe for terrorism suspects, declared anew that his administration does not torture suspects.

"There's an enemy that lurks and plots and plans and wants to hurt America again," Bush said during a joint news conference in Panama City with President Martin Torrijos. "So you bet we will aggressively pursue them but we will do so under the law."

Hamdan's case brought a new issue to the court — the rights of foreigners who have been charged and face a military trial in a type of proceeding resurrected from World War II. Trials of Hamdan and three other low-level suspects were interrupted last fall when a judge in Washington said the proper process had not been followed.

The men are among about 500 foreigners, many swept up in the U.S.-led war in
Afghanistan, who have been held at the U.S. military prison in Cuba. The government had planned to proceed with a military trial for another foreigner, Australian David M. Hicks, with a pretrial hearing later this month, but that will likely be stalled now.

Guantanamo Bay has become a flash point for criticism of America overseas and by civil libertarians. Initially, the Bush administration refused to let the men see attorneys or challenge their imprisonment. The high court in 2004 said U.S. courts were open to filings from the men, who had been designated enemy combatants.

Retired military leaders, foreign legislators, historians and other groups had pressed the Supreme Court to review the case of Hamdan, who like many Guantanamo inmates began a hunger strike over the summer.

A three-judge panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, including Roberts, ruled against Hamdan, finding that the 1949 Geneva Convention governing prisoners of war does not apply to al-Qaida and its members.

The ruling was handed down shortly before Roberts was named to the Supreme Court. Ethics experts have disagreed over whether Roberts should have recused himself from that case, because he was being interviewed for the O'Connor seat while the matter was pending.

The administration argued that it was unnecessary for the court to get involved because the
Pentagon had relaxed the rules for tribunals, enabling classified information to be shared with defendants "to the extent consistent with national security, law enforcement interests and applicable law." The government also changed the structure of the panels that will hear the cases and decide the men's punishment, with death sentences possible.

Hamdan's lawyer, Georgetown University professor Neal Katyal, said in a filing that "it is a contrived system subject to change at the whim of the president."

"With constantly shifting terms and conditions, the commissions resemble an automobile dealership instead of a legal tribunal dispensing American justice and protecting human dignity," he wrote.

Hamdan, who was captured in Afghanistan in November 2001, denies conspiring to engage in acts of terrorism and denies he was a member of al-Qaida. He has been charged with conspiracy to commit war crimes, murder and terrorism.

Trial proceedings for Hamdan and three other men were begun last summer but the process was halted after a district court ruled that Hamdan could not be tried by a military commission unless a "competent tribunal" determined first that he was not a prisoner of war.

Besides Hamdan, the others who have been charged are an al-Qaida accountant, a propagandist and a Taliban fighter.

The case is Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, 05-184.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051107/ap_on_...antanamo_trials

Question is: what law?... UN law?... US law?... soveriegn nations law?... the "law of the jungle"?

Jan. 23, 2001 WASHINGTON (UPI) – President Bush witnessed the swearing-in of his White House staff Monday and said he expected them to avoid even the appearance of impropriety and to conduct themselves with humility and civility at all times....

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2...22/213715.shtml

Hmmmm...

So, the media is after the repuslickans and they cant get a fair trial cause the law is after them too?

Funny how the bushlovers are blaming the media when it was novakula at the behest of the shit administration that started it all to begin with.

"The hearing was a sharp reminder that while White House aides Karl Rove and I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby dominate the headlines, Abramoff remains - according to some observers - the Republican Party's most dangerous problem.
"I don't think we have had something of this scope, arrogance and sheer venality in our lifetimes," Norman J. Ornstein, resident scholar at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, wrote recently. "It is building to an explosion, one that could create immense collateral damage within Congress and in coming elections."
Abramoff and his friends are some of the biggest players in the conservative revolution that took over Congress, the White House, and the lobbying industry.

Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, who once called Abramoff one of his "closest and dearest friends," has requested a House ethics investigation to clear his name relating to trips he took at Abramoff's expense; DeLay has said he thought the trips were paid for by other sources.

Christian Coalition founder Ralph Reed, antitax guru Grover Norquist, members of Congress, administration officials, and a host of lobbyists have been drawn into Senate or Justice Department investigations of Abramoff's lobbying activities.

It goes on: Abramoff and a business partner were indicted in Florida in August on charges of fraud and conspiracy for their 2000 purchase of a gambling-boat fleet.

Former White House official David Safavian has been indicted on charges that he lied about his Abramoff ties and has pleaded not guilty. Rep. Bob W. Ney (R., Ohio) has been subpoenaed by a grand jury investigating Abramoff and is himself under federal criminal investigation on suspicion of taking bribes in the form of campaign contributions. Ney has denied wrongdoing.

Because Abramoff was so close to the power structure and fund-raising mechanisms of the Republican Party, "he knows where a lot more of the bodies are buried," said Bill Allison, spokesman for the Center for Public Integrity, a nonpartisan ethics watchdog group.

"Abramoff goes to the much broader issue of how the Republicans have held their majority together," Allison said.

Abramoff, who was president of National College Republicans in the early 1980s, wrote and produced a B movie and once organized a meeting of anticommunist guerrillas and mujaheddin in Africa, became one of Washington's most powerful influence peddlers when Republicans took over Washington in 1994.

He opened a restaurant, Signatures, and leased skyboxes at sports arenas, where he held fund-raisers. According to documents released by Senate investigators, he directed his clients - often unregulated entities that included U.S. territories, Indian tribes and Internet gaming clients - as to how much and where to direct their political contributions.

Abramoff invoked Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination when called before the Senate Indian Affairs Committee last year. Through a spokesman, he denies wrongdoing."


Pass the popcorn, the show is starting.

OK Davis, I found the on switch.




SO where do you put it once it's going?

Hell, I didn't know it was motorized.

That's good. Want to share how you did it?

Well, I look on the back and used a nickle to charge the battery.
I started to put in my ear, then mouth, but thought the wiser of it so now I just lay it on the counter top and watch it move all over the place. Kinda like a slinky when you think about it.

These ARE evil times.

You're jUSt full of tricks aren't you?

Brain activity elevated, Blood pressure elevated, everything else is going down.

((I hate those unatributable "QUOTE" thingies. Looks like u speak w authority))
just ask Frodo
PUBS, IMO.

I can do no other than be reverent before everything that is called life. I can do no other than to have compassion for all that is called life. That is the beginning and the foundation of all ethics. ~~Albert Schweitzer

"I know how hard it is to put food on your family" GW Bush

[quote=Grigorii,Nov 7 2005, 12:02 AM]

lest we forget Gore's illegal adventures~~~

Gore's had 15 chances to escape Temple of Doom

WASHINGTON -- Al Gore still has never fully confessed his role in an illegal Buddhist temple fund-raiser in 1996 -- even under oath. He recently told prosecutors he didn't know what he was getting into, as if the whole event just kind of snuck up on him at the last minute.

In fact, he says he only focused on it when he opened his "briefing book" in the limo ride from the Los Angeles airport to the temple. Oops, too late. Next thing he knows, Buddhist nuns are draping leis around his neck and Democratic National Committee fund-raisers are scurrying about with cell phones and calculators.

But not only did Gore know what he was getting into weeks in advance, he also had 15 chances, by my count, to back out of the fund-raiser and avoid the years of controversy and organic explanations that have followed. And his chances to escape the Temple of Doom start way back in January 1989, when he first met the temple master.

1st chance: More than 11 years ago, Gore could have followed the example of six other U.S. senators and turned down a bizarre invitation from Venerable Master Hsing Yun to visit his Buddhist order headquarters in Taiwan.

But unlike Sens. Daniel Inouye, Tim Wirth, Kent Conrad, James Exon, John Melcher and Tom Daschle, who thought better of it, Gore made the trip -- the only U.S. politician to do so. While there, he struck up a troubling relationship with Hsing, known as "the political monk," who promised to help get him elected president. In turn, Gore promised, "I will visit you when I become president."

Gore apparently couldn't wait, visiting Hsing as vice president at his 15-acre Hsi Lai temple in Los Angeles. "I made a mistake going to that Buddhist temple," Gore now admits.

2nd chance: Leaving aside the criminal money-laundering that went on there, his appearance was a "mistake," because tax-exempt religious orders can't get involved in political activities. But Gore didn't seem to have a problem with that in May 1989, when Hsing sent a team of monks and nuns to a fund-raiser for his senate campaign. The event raised $20,000 for him. Accordingly, Gore wrote a letter afterwards thanking one of the monastics for "the support of your congregation." Note the word "congregation," as in a group of worshippers. So apparently Gore knew a church was helping his campaign, yet instead of ending the relationship, he chose to nurture it.

3rd chance: In September 1993, Gore had another opportunity to distance himself from the temple. His old Senate fund-raiser pal, Maria Hsia, who escorted him on his 1989 trip, arranged to launder $5,000 of the temple's money through three monastic straw donors to the Democratic National Committee for a fund-raiser with Vice President Gore. Gore never questioned the source of the $5,000. This March, Hsia was convicted on campaign fraud charges related to that money, as well as funds raised at the temple in 1996.

4th chance: Gore could have nixed a March 15, 1996, meeting in the White House with Master Hsing as soon as Hsia and John Huang, another convicted DNC fund-raiser, sent over social security numbers to the Secret Service to clear temple visitors for the meeting. But he let the meeting, during which the fateful 1996 event was set, go forward.

5th chance: On the morning before the March 15 meeting, Gore could have politely backed out when he spoke by phone with Hsia at her Hay-Adams Hotel. But he only firmed things up, despite the reservations of his own staff.

6th chance: When Hsing invited Gore to the Hsi Lai temple at the meeting, he could have respectfully declined. Instead, he agreed to a visit sometime in April 1996.

7th chance: When his scheduler Kim Tilley e-mailed Gore confirming the Los Angeles "fund-raiser" for April 29, Gore didn't object in his reply.

8th chance: The next day, Gore got a letter from Hsia confirming April 29 as the date of the temple "fund-raising lunch event on behalf of the local Chinese community." Gore didn't cancel.

9th chance: On April 25, White House aide Harold Ickes sent the vice president a memo advising him that the April 29 luncheon in Los Angeles would raise $325,000. Gore didn't march down the hall and put an end to it.

10th chance: Within 24 hours of the Ickes memo, Gore got briefing materials from "DNC Finance" clearly stating that the "DNC luncheon" he would attend on April 29 was at the Hsi Lai temple. Gore didn't pick up the phone and scrap the plan.

11th chance: Flying to Los Angeles on April 29, Gore was accompanied by at least one staffer, Caren Solomon, who previously had discussed the event as a "fund-raiser" in e-mails. Yet Gore kept Air Force Two on course to L.A.

12th chance: On the ride from the airport, Gore by his own admission saw from his briefing book that he was hosting an event at a temple with the DNC, yet he didn't turn the limo around.

13th chance: Arriving at the temple at about 12:30 p.m., Gore was greeted by his long-time fund-raiser Hsia, DNC vice-chairman of finance Huang, DNC co-chairman Don Fowler and DNC treasurer Bob Matsui. Yet the throng of fund-raisers gave him no pause.

14th chance: At lunch in the temple's dining hall, Gore sat at the head table with Master Hsing, Hsia and Ted Sioeng, a heavy DNC contributor and suspected Chinese agent who owned a pro-Beijing newspaper in Los Angeles. Yet Gore didn't get up and leave.

15th chance: During the hour lunch, at least two guests recall fund-raising actually being discussed from the lectern -- in the presence of the vice president. In fact, China-born donor Sherry Shaw, who also sat at Gore's table, said Matsui took the podium and reassured guests that it was "OK to give contributions at the Hsi Lai temple." Matsui introduced Gore as the guest of honor.

Gore could have walked out at that point, yet he stayed glued to his chair. If Gore truly didn't know he was hosting an illegal event by then, it's not his ethics voters need to worry about. It's his intelligence.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=20676

oh, you're too easy~~~

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Easy is as easy does, like taco bell. [':-{)}

"Really. So now the state is in the business of psychoanalysis." -Carol

Heard Davis is blocking bub off his reading list. So sad.

I went in for a psyc exam for job promotion once. As it was a modern media related company cameras were everywhere. Pencil in hand, I read half the questions before making a mark. I wanted to answer all the questions but time ran out before the HR lady came in to advise me the interviewer was growing impatient in anticipation of our meeting.

I admit that some of the questions on paper perplexed me. Real mobius strip stuff. The test itself colored my meeting with the interviewer. I'll always wonder how the interviewer answered the same questions and what the HR lady thought of me for staring at the cameras and taking so long to fill out the form.
This event tainted my impression of the company. Their motives, their tactics, their purpose. I suppose a lot of people must answer similar questions at some point in their career paths, but many of the notions of "appropriateness/inappropriatness" of theft and dishonesty and malice had not before occured to me before. Today, I do not trust that company and the company it keeps. So now the "state" is in the business of psychoanalysis. Hmmm. Show me yours, and I'll...?

Davis, Bub is out of line if he questions your love for your father. May be you are not ready to respond to Bub's inquiries. May be Bub needs a test of his own so he can know all the correct responses. May be none of the above.

careful lady.

HR departments have all sorts of ulterior motives. I tend to want to hire anyone with a sense of humor and their own pen.

A real person, not a bureaucrat.

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