I'm posting the link to Larry Wilkerson's speech that he talked about the "cabal" in the White House and the Military Industrial Complex that Eisenhaur warned about.

It's too long to post but a very interesting speech.

He was aide to Powell for many years. Powell looks so ashamed when questions are asked about his part in the lead up to the war. He was being a good soldier and backed the President and ruined his own career.

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/...%20--%20WEB.htm

Thanks for not spamming.

THE REVISIONISTS! AKA LIARS!

Liars burn in the lake of fire too Carol, feeling warm yet?

It's a shame someone doesn't return honor and dignity to DC.

You must be confused...oh, yeah...that's a permanent state for you~~~

LOL!!! Wasn't that a good one!

Those Democrats - good for a laugh.

The Democrats are always getting caught in their lies...

they (((sppppiiinnnn and ssssspppiiiinnn)))
like spit in the wind
coming back at them

The spit in the wind is coming back. But it isn't democrats that it's getting stuck on.

See any recent polls lately? Better wear a raincoat.

Sen. Stevens' crude attack on Puget Sound



Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens is having a hissy fit, trying to take his frustrations out on Puget Sound.

Stevens, R-BridgetoNowhere, is upset the House of Representatives balked at opening the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil leasing and drilling, and Senate Republicans are flinching as well.

Stevens' ire is directed in particular at Washington Sen. Maria Cantwell, who introduced an amendment as part of a budget reconciliation bill, the current turf for ANWR battles. Her amendment lost, but Stevens was incensed. Stevens immediately sought to lift restrictions on BP's Cherry Point refinery near Bellingham, which would increase production capacity and expand tanker traffic in Puget Sound. Both were capped in 1977 by Sen. Warren Magnuson with a tweaking of the Marine Mammal Protection Act.

Magnuson identified the navigable waters of Puget Sound as a national asset threatened by increased domestic and international tanker traffic, adding that the waters and surrounding natural resources needed protection. The foresight of his actions was affirmed a dozen years later by the example of the Exxon Valdez travesty in Alaska's Prince William Sound.

Cantwell responded in the honorable tradition of Northwest legislators defending — protecting — things unique to the region, from its natural and visual resources to the Bonneville Power Administration and the region's hydroelectric resources.

Stevens is in full reprisal mode, and he essentially is declaring "game on" with Senate Bill 1977, which just so happens to be the year the Magnuson Act was passed.

House and Senate Republican leadership are surprised at the resistance to ANWR drilling and business as usual on the budget among their own party. Cantwell has parliamentary allies in the GOP who, combined with a unified Democratic Party, can push back on Stevens' slap at Puget Sound.


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/edit..._pugeted15.html

DeLay wants early December trial


AUSTIN (AP) — An attorney for U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay said Monday that he will request an early December trial date for the former House majority leader, if the case gets that far.


Attorney Dick DeGuerin said in a letter that "time is of the essence" in the case that has temporarily forced DeLay to step down from his top House post.

Judge Pat Priest has set a Nov. 22 hearing to consider requests to drop the charges against DeLay and his co-defendants. Defense attorneys have asked that the charges be dropped for various reasons, including alleged misconduct by a prosecutor.

"Should the indictments survive the hearings of November 22, we will request a trial date in early December," DeGuerin wrote in his letter to Priest.

DeGuerin is also asking that Priest, a visiting judge, move the trial out of left-leaning Travis County to DeLay's home Fort Bend County.

DeLay and two of his associates are charged with criminal conspiracy and money laundering in the case, which stems from fundraising and spending in the 2002 Texas legislative races.

Corporate donations were allegedly routed through DeLay's Texas political action committee to the national Republican party, which then returned nearly the same amount back to seven Texas House candidates.

Use of corporate donations for direct campaign expenditures is illegal in Texas.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/20...lay-trial_x.htm

Are White House ethics briefings a waste?
By Rushworth M. Kidder


CAMDEN, MAINE – To those who care about the nation's ethical barometer, the announcement that 3,000 White House staffers are now getting hour-long ethics briefings raises a knotty question: Is this good news?

To President George W. Bush's supporters, the briefings signal his sensitivity to charges of unethical behavior among staffers. They see this action as a decisive response to the indictment of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, on charges related to the leak of the identity of CIA operative Valerie Plame. Given the president's thrashing in recent polls - with 58 percent of the American public telling a Washington Post/ABC News poll released Nov. 4 that he is not "honest and trustworthy" - his supporters applaud this vigorous assertion of his concern for integrity.




To his critics, an hour's lecture by a White House lawyer seems almost derisory. They suspect the announcement of capitalizing on training that the White House must undertake anyway, according to a 1990 requirement for "mandatory annual briefings on ethics and standards of conduct" for most government employees, specifically including Executive Office staffers. They see the fuss over training as an admission of a damaged ethical culture. And they point to a "do as I say, not as I do" attitude on the part of the president and vice president, who have exempted themselves from the sessions.

Listening to this point-counterpoint, I'm reminded of a conversation I had with a senior manager at the Office of Government Ethics in the early 1990s during the Clinton administration. His office oversaw these newly inaugurated briefings, which he told me had already settled into a one-hour format conducted by trainers who repeated them relentlessly, week upon week.

"The trainer walks into the classroom," as I recall his description, "and in effect says to the class, 'Look, you don't want to be here, and I don't want to be here. So let's get this over with. Here's what you need to know: Last year you could skate this close to the law, but now you can only skate that close. Any questions? Good. Sign here.' "

My friend had already started getting calls from thoughtful civil servants in various agencies around Washington, asking, "Is this really all there is to ethics?"

Of course not. Done well, a good ethics session brings people right out of their seats - and sends them down the hall after class in animated chatter that rages on into the parking lot. Why? Because ethics addresses the toughest choices facing humanity. It's not just about right-versus-wrong moral temptations that can be handled by compliance lessons. It's about right-versus-right ethical dilemmas that pit two of our deepest values against each other - dilemmas where neither side is wrong, where powerful moral arguments reside on each side, and where we've got to choose.

I don't know the content of the current White House sessions. But given that they're coming from a White House attorney, I rather suspect they're more about compliance than integrity - more about right-versus-wrong than right-versus-right. Don't get me wrong: I'm all for compliance. But our leaders need more than that, especially given the ethical dilemmas we face:

• Should oil companies keep or surrender profits from hurricane Katrina?

• Should government legislate more explicitly against steroids in sports?

• Should foreign nationals be sharply interrogated to combat terrorism, or is that torture?

• Should a ruined city below sea level be rebuilt or relocated?

• Are schoolchildren being tested too much or not enough?

• Is free trade in the Americas a boon or a boondoggle?

• What's the right balance in Supreme Court nominees between competence and ideology?

These are immensely complex questions, raising profound moral issues. They'll never be solved by trying to make one side "wrong" and then choosing the opposite. So no amount of compliance training will equip policymakers to deal with them.

Yet dealing with such questions is their mission. We don't elect leaders just to transact the daily business of government. We elect them to bring resolutions to the knotty ethical challenges facing democracy in an age of global confusion and confrontation.

Do these briefings make such resolutions easier or harder to find? Kudos if they help White House staffers build practical frameworks for applied integrity. But catcalls if they merely administer a kind of moral cod-liver oil to those who never wanted to be there in the first place, and who come away convinced that whatever isn't illegal must be ethical. Nothing could be further from the truth.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1115/p09s02-coop.html

So....... the comfort of the terrorist ranks higher than saving countless lives?

You swallowed that shit hook, line and sinker.

You are a sucker.

Save lives with torture!!! How can we NOT torture?
Not torture? You must be some kind of immoral pervert. No torture? Traitor.

Make sure the water's not too hot!

You know judy the little cartoons you post that minimize the torture issue, the abuses at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo are amazing.

Epsom salts, huh? Nice.

Some of those suspects, keep in mind most were released, those suspects were beaten (some died), some sodomized, sexually humiliated, all on film.

Why anyone who claims some kind of moral superiority or clarity of vision, such as yourself, would casually brush those acts of wanton brutality and cruelty as comedy is beyond me. I just can't think along those lines. It just seems so ugly to minimize it.

I don't go to church, I don't follow the Christ anymore but I know by his or anyone's standards of decency or morality that what you are doing is just wrong.

It's a sad state of affairs. Like gloating over French deaths or tragedy.

Better take stock.

THANK YOU, FLORIDA. AL GORE COULD HAVE BEEN PRESIDENT!
(Shudder~~shudder~~shudder)

THANK LOADS, FLORIDA. george bush IS PRESIDENT!
(Shudder~~shudder~~shudder)


Burn in hell, Mr. President
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publ...icle_7650.shtml

My first reaction when I read the transcript of President George W. Bush’s Veteran’s Day speech was anger. No, not anger. Rage. Blind rage.

How dare he, I thought. Not even the lowest, scum-sucking son of a bitch in politics would stoop to using a day to honor those who served their country would stoop to using that day to promote his lies-based, illegal, immoral exercise in mass murder called the invasion of Iraq.

Yes he would. George W. Bush is a pathetic, pitiless scrap of sub-human trash that lacks any shred of decency or morality. So why wouldn’t he desecrate the memories of those who serve our nation?

As a journalist, I’m expected to be dispassionate about events and those who shape them. But I cannot be so when it comes to Bush. He’s a liar and a traitor to the oath he swore when he became President of the country he now works so hard to destroy.

Bush is much, much more than just a bad president. He is a genuinely evil man, a raving lunatic who cannot face the fact that his insane policies have destroyed a once-great country called America. George Bush’s America is an arrogant bully distrusted by its allies, hated by most of the rest of the world and divided internally by his divisive, duplicitous actions.

I can no longer regard this maniac with journalistic dispassion. I may be a journalist but I’m an American first and, as an American, I cannot stand silent as a truly evil man destroys the country I love.

Polls show most Americans share my distrust of Bush. We all see him for what he is – a dishonest, opportunistic political beast who lets nothing stand in the way of his unbridled lust for power. He speaks of God at one moment and calls those who dare disagree with him “motherfuckers” the next. He has, without blinking an eye, sent more than 2,000 American military men and women, along with countless thousands of Iraqi civilians, to their deaths in a senseless invasion based on manufactured “evidence” and outright lies.

Then he has the gall to stand up on the day we set aside to honor those who served and continue to promote his lies and call those who see the truth traitors who aid the enemy.

Sorry George. Your lies don’t play here or with the majority of American citizens. It is you who has sold out your country, who is a traitor and who has committed treason against your office, your country and humanity.

God may one day forgive you for your sins but I cannot. Neither can the wives, husbands, parents and relatives of those you sent to die in your dirty little war. Neither can memories of those who served, those we honored on Veterans Day and those whose memory you so callously dishonored with your propagandist pap.

On second thought, I’m not even sure God can forgive you for what you have done. You have lied and you have killed and those are sins that even an understanding God may have trouble forgiving.

If there is justice in the afterlife, you will stand and face that justice for your sins. And may you burn in hell for them.

who was president on 911?

who failed to protect America on 911?

who sat and did nothing while the WTC fell?

who claims God told him to make war?

who hides total failure behind feigned ignorance?

who struts and smirks like a hollywood cowboy?

who has the American majority the world rejected as a modern leader?

You keep talkling about torture but it is supposition on your part. I have not seen you back up any of your claims with facts. It just gives you a rant.

I don't know what horrible thing happened in your life to make you so angry at God and at the people who love God, but I do know that sometimes God has to put someone on his back to get him to look up. You may have given up on God but He hasn't given up on you.

You don't know me, you don't know how I think or what I do. just as I said that you were not qualified to judge Carol, you are not qualified to judge me either. In fact, God comes down harder on those who judge others than He does on war which has gone on from the beginning and will continue to the final battle. It is all part of man's inhumanity to man, but God says to leave the judging to HIM!

seems your judgement is way off

I suspect that hearing people who claim to "love God" but condone such things as torture are what happened to him.

How long has this been going on?

the question is how long do we allow it?

dump bush

we'll party like its 1999

Huh?

I'm not mad at god. I don't even know if there is a god. Maybe, maybe not. I'm not angry at people who love god either. I know and respect people of many faiths. More Christian than others because I know more of them. Although my knowledge of other religions is incomplete and lacking in enough information to make a call about much I do know evangelical Christianity. Love god all you want, no problem, just don't use evangelical Christianity to justify heinous behavior. I couldn't tell you about the Koran or any texts of other religions but I do know the Bible. You use it for that purpose, or lie about it, and I will call you on it. Guaranteed.

Although I may not be a believer anymore I still retain a lot of the knowledge I got from my bible studies and sermons.


As far as judging people? Nooooow, admit it, you guys have judged the whole country and found it lacking. And by god you're going to do something about it. In the schools, the government, everywhere you can. That's honesty.




Buuuuuut, now that you guys have successfully merged politics and religion there are no more moral implications or judgements to be made about the techniques used to advance the agenda either. Now it's anything goes. Use religious techniques in politics and vice versa. Unfortunately, although the down and dirty techniques work, they shoot your credibility all to hell.






As far as the torture issue or proof of it? How many photos and even videos do you need to show the claims of torture are suppositions? How can you even stoop to calling them suppositions?

What would you call beating someone TO DEATH to gain information? A good start?

If you want to change the definition of torture so you or your political/religious leaders can get away with it ... then I don't even know where to start. It's just bizarre to me.

No, I knew torture was wrong and had been used, in the name of god, by the likes of Torquemada and other tyrants, religious and not.

Actually I had trouble with a few things about the bible that didn't make much sense to me. Like creationism.

Like putting two of every land animal on the ark. The authors of the Old Testament apparently didn't know of the sheer numbers of land animals on the planet.

But one of the big things with me was the issue of damnation and the criteria. How many people lived in the world who were not Jews and after Christ were not Christians or who had never heard the word at all? Countless Chinese, South Americans, Africans, island nation inhabitants had never heard the words of Christ and therefore could not accept him into their hearts. Does that mean every single person on the planet who had not been born again would be damned for eternity? No man comes to the father but by him. Even if you considered membership in a Christian church a determining factor there would still be millions of souls condemned, all the little old ladies, the children as well as the evil ones. Countless generations. I couldn't see how that would be just in any way, shape or form.

That's only a couple of contributing factors among many.

Suffice it to say I don't hate people who love god.

Now you're going to say Cheney isn't advocating torture at all.

You are worried about the people who never heard the words of Christ?

For surely I know the plans I have for you, says the LORD, plans for your welfare and not for harm, to give you a future with hope. Then when you call upon me and come and pray to me, I will hear you. When you search for me, you will find me; if you seek me with all your heart, I will let you find me, says the LORD, and I will restore your fortunes and gather you from all the nations and all the places where I have driven you, says the LORD, and I will bring you back to the place from which I sent you into exile.

Jeremiah 29:11-14

So if those people in Africa, the Islands, China, etc.. call on the Lord, He will hear them and answer them, if they search for Him, they will find Him. They need to have a heart after God so they can have a relationship with Him.

"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your might. And these words which I command you today shall be in your heart; you shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, when you walk by the way, when you lie down, and when you rise up" (Deuteronomy 6:5-7).

When God's law is written in our hearts, it changes our whole being, It will influence our every thought, word and action. We must be spiritually oriented to receive the word of God into our hearts and have the mind of Christ.

"Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. For 'Who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?' But we have the mind of Christ" (2 Corinthians 2:12-16).

Then the revelation of Jesus Christ is manifested to the believer. Salvation is for "Whosoever will". John 3:16. It is not limited to a specific people.

You are worried about the people who never heard the words of Christ, I'm more worried about those who have heard the words of Christ and don't accept them.

when yer at church how often does politics come up? Where in the south do you live?

What's your issue with creationism? It's the only logical conclusion and takes less faith to believe than pure chance. The complexity of creation indicates a divine plan and design.

Actually, there were 7 of the clean animals put on the ark. The ark didn't have to be a sailing vessel, all it had to do was float. It could have been a barge type ship with many stories. The animals didn't have to be full grown either. I have no problem with the issue of Noah and the ark. Why do you?

If you are talking to me, the subject of politics doesn't come up in my church because I don't attend a Black Democratic Church where the candidates show up at election time.

I live in North-eastern North America. Why do you ask? Where do you live?

Who invited you and yer friend here? How did you learn about this place?

Are you talking to ME?

I invited 'em. You got a problem with it?

where'd ya find 'em?

And yeah I got a problem with it. We have enough liars here already.

That would be the mission objective. But how do you, personally, behave? As a light to the world don't you think you should endeavor to be truthful at all times?

If you are worried about those who have heard the words, how does you being dishonest affect them?

My point is you will win very, very few souls to Christ if you parrot the rhetoric of Limbaugh or the leaders of the Republican party.

There is a gap between what they say and claim (as far as morality goes) and the way they behave.

Then go away. If you want help going away, just ask.

Fortunately, God doesn't depend upon me to win souls to Christ, The Holy Spirit does that.

I think I'll just firebomb my computer and hopefully take you bushlover muthereffers with it!

Put any pets and family members outside first.

So you can behave any way you want? That's a unique answer. I must admit I've never heard that one.

That's one hell of a catch all you have there. Covers a multitude of sins ... literally.

Thank you!!

I didn't say that. You said that. That's part of your communication problem, you misinterpret things.

Stick around. It just gets funner and funner.

Mizilus knows I invite everyone. He just does what he does regardless of the target. Nobody is immune, including me.

The rule is just don't mess with the board. I know that since I decide what constitutes messing with the board it isn't exactly fair. But it's as good as it gets since C-Span quit moderating.

So do your thing, and ignore him doing his if you must.

so where'd ya find 'em anyway arti? At church?

Of the 280 million Americans, only about 20 participate regularly here.

Knowing this, your mission in life is to run new posters off?

Most unlikely.

That's my thing... ignoring "it".

Take a time out, you miserable little bastard.

Looks like. I ignored him a long time. It should have been longer.