You are a liar. Here is the proof.

The post immediately following the one you are quoting has her real views.


You are a LIAR. You lying Republican hypocrite. You as phony as they are.

You jerks just lie like mofos to cover your ass.

WAAAAAA!!! WAAAAAAA!! I'M SOOOOO SORRY I got caught.

Otherwise the Cunningham estate would be a wonderful dreamland full of morals and values.

Waaaaaa!!! Waaaaaa! I'm sorry!!! I got caught.

He isn't sorry about what he did, he's sorry he got caught.

Damn. I was hoping to find a photo of Republican Bill Thomas crying.

He said he was sorry for his behavior and it wouldn't happen again.

He lied.

That was the tipping point for me. I have issues with both parties, but Dems seem to have been taken over by the blame America firsters. Then they pick a couple of veterans to do their dirty work and act as if they can't be criticized merely because they're vets.

You're right. No one said anything about it being political because it wasn't political. It was nearly universally pronounced to be outrageous, and even the Dems didn't try to defend it--just a half-hearted "long-standing custom" justification, followed by "You're right, it's wrong, all the congresscritters will pay up on those kited checks forthwith."



What "patriotism"? Since when is a claim to power to imprison American citizens without charge or trial, to obtain records of private citizens not suspected of anything, to demand "papers please" of citizens going about their daily business, to search the purse of a citizen entering a courthouse to pay a traffic ticket, to torture SUSPECTS to obtain incriminating information, to "impress" soldiers into service by extending their terms of service without act of law or declaration of war, about 'transporting individuals across the seas for trial, denying them the right to confront their accusers or to summon witnesses in their defense'...

What the fuck is "patriotic" about any of that? It's the sort of shit we cited in the Declaration of Independence when we rebelled against England!

Sure is odd it was mostly Democrats.



Everybody does it? Glad I didn't say that.

Do you know just how stupid you sound spewing JT, JDB or LP's radical rightwing bullshit catch phrases?

I see.

Patriotic corruption, suppression and deception is more your style.

So long as it's your own hypocrites, liars and crooks.

It ought to be apparent to you by now I don't give a fuck what you think. You want the party of Cindy Sheehan and Michael Moore, you have it.

Don't get mad just because your's aren't her's.

You pick your liars and take your chances.

Well, for one thing, they have my own accounts of the pressure I've been under the past few years. A "Christian" judge asking me 3 times, every time, if I was SURE I didn't want a Bible and didn't want to "swear" when giving testimony regarding my adoption of my kids. (Quakers do not "swear", because it is hubris of the first kind to invoke God in order to lend credence to one's words, and especially don't swear on the Bible, a mere pile of papers, as if it were some magic talisman that can prevent lying!)

And they have my accounts of my sons (Joel, and then Joseph) quitting their sports teams because of the ostracism they received over their refusal to participate in illegal but customary pre-game prayers. Worse, they have my accounts of my kids giving in to the pressure, and mouthing words to gain the acceptance of their coach and peers.

And as far as "teach about" vs. "teach", please consider these two statements about Christmas, since it's Christmas season:

1. This holiday is about the birth of Jesus, the Son of God, the Prince of Peace, who God sent into this world to save mankind from his sins. This creche shows Mary and the infant Jesus...

2. This holiday season is a recess we take because most people in this country believe that Jesus is the son of God, the prince of peace, that God sent into this world to save mankind from his sins. Chanakah, also known as Hannaka, the Jewish "festival of light", is also celebrated this time of year... There is no reason to believe that Jesus, if there was a Jesus, was actually born in the winter, because... The Jewish calendar... The Christian church fixed this time of year to celebrate this holiday because pre-Christian celebrations of the winter solstice...

The first instance is teaching a religious belief. It states that the belief is TRUE and is the reason for the holiday. The second instance is teaching ABOUT a religous belief, and explains why "we" take two weeks off to allow individuals to practice their religious beliefs.

I have no problem with "Merry Christmas". I have a REAL big problem with "Merry CHRIST-mass".

http://www.dailykos.com/tag/William%20Jefferson

Via AMERICAblog, the LA Times gives a very good snapshot of what CREW calls the 13 most corrupt members of Congress... DeLay excepted.

Sen. Bill Frist: The report accuses him of violating federal campaign finance laws in how he disclosed a campaign loan. It also calls for an inquiry over his recent sale of stock in HCA Inc., his family's hospital corporation. The sale has raised questions about possible insider dealing. Frist aides confirmed Friday that the SEC was investigating. They have denied claims of campaign finance violations.

Rep. Roy Blunt: The report criticizes him for trying to insert provisions into bills that would have benefited, in one case, a client of his lobbyist son and in another case, the employer of his lobbyist girlfriend, now his wife.

Sen. Conrad Burns: The report says that questions arose over $3 million in appropriations he earmarked for an Indian tribe in Michigan that was a client of lobbyist Abramoff. The senator received substantial campaign contributions from Abramoff and various clients. [...]

Rep. Bob Ney: The report says the chairman of the House Administration Committee went on a golf outing to Scotland in 2002, arranged by Abramoff, at a time when the congressman was trying to insert a provision into legislation to benefit one of Abramoff's tribal clients. [...]

Rep. Tom Feeney: The report says he incorrectly reported that a golf trip to Scotland with Abramoff in 2003 was paid for by the National Center for Public Policy Research, which denied it. A Feeney aide said the congressman had been misled. Questions also have arisen about two other privately funded trips.

Rep. Richard W. Pombo: He paid his wife and brother $357,325 in campaign funds in the last four years, the report says. He also supported the wind-power industry before the Department of Interior without disclosing that his parents received hundreds of thousands of dollars in royalties from wind-power turbines on their ranch. [...]

Rep. Maxine Waters: The report cites a December 2004 Los Angeles Times investigation disclosing how members of the congresswoman's family have made more than $1 million in the last eight years by doing business with companies, candidates and causes that Waters has helped. Before publication of the Times investigation last year, Waters declined to be interviewed, but said of her family members: "They do their business, and I do mine."

Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.): The report says he encountered controversy over disclosures that Pennsylvania taxpayers paid for his children's schooling while they lived in Virginia. Santorum maintained he did nothing wrong, and has pulled his children out of the school, according to reports.

Reps. Randy "Duke" Cunningham and William J. Jefferson: Both congressional veterans are under federal investigation.

Cunningham, who has announced that he will not run for reelection, faces questions over his dealings with a defense contractor who allegedly overpaid him when he purchased Cunningham's house. Jefferson is under scrutiny for his role in an overseas business deal. Normally the House ethics committee does not hold inquiries while criminal investigations are underway.

Rep. Charles H. Taylor (R-N.C.): The report says that questions have been raised about his private business interests, including a savings and loan in Asheville, N.C., and personal business interests in Russia.

Rep. Marilyn N. Musgrave (R-Colo.) and Rep. Rick Renzi (R-Ariz.): Both second-term House members encountered criticisms tied to campaign activities, the report says.

Musgrave was accused of misusing her congressional office for campaign purposes. Renzi was accused of financing portions of his 2002 campaign with improper loans.

That's about as good as McClellan saying Murtha was in there with Moore.


I've never liked Michael Moore. Never saw F 9/11. He's a fat piece of garbage. I'd like to plant my fist in his nose for ruining Clark's presidential run.

Clark wasn't ready for prime time. He should have waited and set up the positions and organization for a better run four years later.

If you and your kids want to be oddballs, you gotta be prepared to accept what goes with your oddness.

Yep. Then you have state politics.

My ex-governor George Ryan was busted for the "liscense for bribes" scandal. They were handing out semi-truck liscenses to people who had donated cash to his campaign. Mind you now, they didn't take drivers test 1. Can you imagine someone at the wheel of one of those monsters with little or no experience?

Yeah, pray to your god or else risk being ostracized. Nice.

You're probably right. He sure showed some serious errors in judgement getting on a stage with that idiot. Having said that I'd be much more comfortable with him than Kerry. Or Bush for that matter.

OK. Perhaps others would like to weigh in as far as how much pressure to conform religiously is appropriate, what the "price" of refusing to mouth the words should be, how much pressure should be brought as in the Founding Fathers to voice a "civic religion" in order to be admitted to the public square?

We have YOUR answer as to how much pressure should be brought to compel pretended belief: A lot. "Believe", or at least claim to, or suffer. Pretend, or get your ass off the football team.

Let's see what other people think, shall we?

The problem with jumping on too early is that you only get one chance to make a good impression. I doubt many movers and shakers will give him a second chance. Without the backing of insiders he's probably doomed to live around the edges of the party.

I think, most of the time, people pull that shit just to be different. If that's what you want, fine. But swearing in to a court is just a simple and customary thing. Placing your hand on the Bible doesn't declare a particular religion. You make mountains out of everyday simple little mole hills. Much of that, I believe, is just the same pretense you claim to abhor.

Everybody has to have priorities. You either want to play football or you don't. Saying a prayer is just as routine as saying the pledge to the flag. It's harmless. Want to make a big deal out of it, and not play ball, that's your choice. It's nobody's but yours.

Want to be a non-conformist, fine. Just don't bitch about how others may react to you.

She's either enjoying her non-conformity or really is a fundamentalist.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

One always has two choices. Make em and live with em, I usually say.

but AWOL sure has!

Go screw yourself.

Falsely invoking GOD, calling on Him to convince some supertitioius judge, would be a sin beyond all words, an exploiting of GOD, the most grave of all possible sins, a cynical evil from which I would never recover, a shame that I would forever be unable to justify in my own eyes, much less to God. How could I ever look myself in the mirror or explain myself to God if I took advantage of some judge's superstitious gullibility for personal advantage? Doing so would soil me forever, not to mention what it would teach MY KIDS about it being OK to cheapen God for material gain.

So go stuff yourself!!! No, I will not falsely swear. Ever!!!

You are who you are. Can't blame anyone else. Also surely can't expect everyone else who abides by our society's folkways, and mores, to conform to your off the wall standards. Like it or lump it. You have no bitch coming.

Puts me in mind of the communist guy I saw ranting in Hyde Park one Sunday. He was going on and on, and I'm sure he thought he was cool, but the little crowd he attracted was just there out of curiousity.

If I have no bitch coming about being faced with a choice of insulting God or complying with your fucking "folkways", then we have no freedom of religion.

But thank you for finally making clear that you don't believe in freedom of belief, only freedom of YOUR belief.

It's your choice, miss sweetness.

And yes, Space, on this subject, I am a fundamentalist. I will not exploit "God" for material gain, I will not pretend belief, and I will not respect those who do, and I will NOT under any circumstances concede that it's OK to pressure people to pretend belief.

It's a line in the sand I can't and won't cross, and if that makes me a "fundamentalist", I will plead guilty to the charge.

folks who make a public show of religion have ulterior motives.

How about all those folks that carry around rugs and pray in public 5 times a day?

absolutely. Who are they trying to impress?

I'm keeping up - are you? At least, he had the decency to step up to the plate and admit that he was guilty - and is willing to take the punishment and try to do what he can to right his wrong. All Demorats do is DENY DENY DENY - even when it's futile for them to do so. How stupid is that? It not only exposes the Demorats stupidity and arrogance, it displays their distain for the public's ability to see through their lies.

Monday, Nov. 28, 2005 6:57 p.m. EST
Rush Limbaugh Exposes Chuck ‘Schumer’s Plumbers’

Rush Limbaugh calls them "Schumer’s Plumbers” – two Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee staffers who worked for Senator Chuck Schumer and are now accused of illegally obtaining the credit report of a Republican candidate for the Senate.


The two staffers have resigned, and Sen. Schumer – chairman of the DSCC – denies any involvement.

Limbaugh notes that despite Schumer’s denial of any involvement, his organization is picking up the $400-an-hour tab for the pair’s attorney.

The Senator from New York "has presided over a genuine scandal the Old Media has ignored,” Rush reports. "In a dirty tricks scheme worthy of the infamous Watergate ‘plumbers,’ two of Schumer’s DSCC staffers took their opposition research assignment to the max: preparing to smear Maryland Lieutenant Governor Michael Steel, a Republican candidate for Senate.”


DSCC research director Katie Barge – who came to Schumer directly from the liberal George Soros-funded Web site Media Matters – and staffer Lauren Weiner used Steele’s Social Security number, reportedly obtained from court records, to "fraudulently and illegally obtain his credit report,” according to Investor’s Business Daily.


As NewsMax reported earlier, the Fair Credit Reporting Act makes it a federal crime to knowingly and willfully obtain a person’s credit report without their consent or under false pretenses.


The felony is punishable with a fine and up to two years in prison.

Schumer, ironically, last April introduced a bill aimed at preventing identity theft.

But "he has not abandoned his dirt-diggers,” according to the Limbaugh Letter, and is paying "for Barge and Weiner’s attorney William Lawler III – the Democrat-infamy lawyer who represented ex-Gov. Jim McGreevey (D-N.J.) during his 2004 sex scandal.

"And the anti-Steele mud is still being slung.”

The Senatorial campaign of Steele, an African-American, blasted as "gutter racism” a blog containing a doctored photo showing Steele in minstrel makeup – part of what the Steele camp believe is a coordinated Democratic attack on the Republican.

Democrats have reportedly also called him "Uncle Tom” and "Sambo” and pelted him with Oreo cookies during a 2002 campaign debate.

Steele is seeking to fill the seat of Democratic Sen. Paul Sarbanes, who is retiring.

Democrats are hoping to increase their Senate numbers in 2006, and losing Maryland’s "safe” seat to Steele could spell disaster for that plan.

"I annoy them,” said Steele, "because I’m an independent-thinking black man who has not bought into their lies and rhetoric.”

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/11...5919.shtml?et=y

yada yada yada~~~

Rug makers?

What? You have got to be kidding. The ONLY reason he admitted it was he WAS CAUGHT RED HANDED! Jeez, you think if he weren't busted he'd volutarily move out of the mansion and downgrade? Do you seriously believe ANY of them would admit anything, except under the penalty of even more time in prison?

Noooooo way. The day a Pube volutarily outs hiimself or any of his fellow Pubes will be the day I drop over with the vapors.

Lordie, lordie, I feel faint...



not.

geez. I wonder what Eisenhauer would have to say about puke cunningham and the repuslickans these days.

How about Scanlon? You think he'd have given up that 19 million dollars he's been ordered to give back to the indian tribes he scammed?

AS I SAID, both parties have their flaws, but the Republicans far outweigh the Dems when it comes to protecting this country and supporting our troops as it stands now.

AS far as SUPPRESSION goes one can take a look at Davis' actions as a small look inside the Demo party. Here you have roserose, a newbie to the board, and what does Davis do? He swears at roserose, makes fun of roserose's posts and doesn't even try to understand what roserose is saying...and roserose came on this board as a member in sypmpathy to his side. He doesn't even make a decent effort to include roserose. Well, I'd be proud to have roserose on my side. Roserose is a unique individual with interesting, creative posts that I think are a welcome addition to the board.

AS far a larger look at the Demo party, if one doesn't fall in lock step with the party, they are condemned. There's no room for individual thought in that party...and shame on someone who speaks out against H. Clinton or B. Clinton - they will be castigated for life...especially if it is a woman, a private citizen, who has credible information about the lecher B. Clinton.

AND deception is the name of the game for the Demos. Their double-speak goes down in the annuals of history as unique to their party...so, give me a break and don't even try whitewashing this totally warped party. I have neither the time nor patience for it anymore...especially since B. Clinton totally lost all the control we had over Saddam after the first war in Iraq. B. Clinton neglected his duty to maintain control over Saddam...but, he made sure he spent plenty of time pursuing his own personal agenda.

The Demorats haven't a clue as to what it takes to pursue a war on terror. It's rah rah rah, lets go get them until the going gets rough. Well, the Republicans are serious about stopping the terrorists and they know, and are willing to do, what it takes.

Why would you use me as a rep of Democrats? I'm not a democrat.


She talks in riddles and then insulted me in riddles. I don't do riddles. And from what I hear she's an old timer on the CSPAN board.

Include her? How? Should I start with lymerics or speak in an alien tongue?

At least you can understand what I say. If she were from another country and not very good with English I'd have more tolerance than that gibberish she calls communication.



Republicans are the kings and queens of bait and switch and corporate corruption.



Uhhh yeah, right. Invading and occupying a Middle Eastern country that had NOTHING to do with 9/11 and had virtually no connection to Islamic fundamentalist terrorists was NOT the way to purse Al Queda.



All curious George knows how to do is stuff cash in his allie's pockets. As far the WOT? He has done more to recruit for Al Queda than Bin Laden.

He has alienated most of the world especially Muslims. If we really wanted to infiltrate and destroy their terrorist organizations, we need their help. We can't kill all Muslims.

Yeah, he was caught and he admits his guilt...so why don't you and your mob put away the noose and let him get on with his rightful punishment?

lol. That's funny. I want him breaking big rocks into little rocks for at least ten years.

Am I criminalizing politics?



Wish I could make a 3/4 of a million dollar profit from selling my house.

I can see why you won't admit you're a Demorat~~~

if you talk like a Demorat...you must be a Demorat~~~you're certainly not a Republican. Then again, you're so confused, I'm not surprised that you don't recognize yourself for what you are.

I think roserose adds a unique perspective to the board - a very interesting person whom I hope continues to contribute to the board.