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davis¹³
I think we should get to the bottom of all this corporate corruption and graft in the party. Clean all the crooks out. Unfortunately you'd have less members left in your party than Sheehan had at her book signing.
Nomarchy
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Nov 29 2005, 12:21 PM)
What? You have got to be kidding. The ONLY reason he admitted it was he WAS CAUGHT RED HANDED! Jeez, you think if he weren't busted he'd volutarily move out of the mansion and downgrade? Do you seriously believe ANY of them would admit anything, except under the penalty of even more time in prison?

Noooooo way. The day a Pube volutarily outs hiimself or any of his fellow Pubes will be the day I drop over with the vapors.

Lordie, lordie, I feel faint...
not.
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His first public reaction, in the summer, was to claim that the allegations and accusations were false and that he was innoncent, and that he would fight all charges.
davis¹³
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I can see why you won't admit you're a Demorat~~~


Because I'm not. I'm not a liberal either. Democrats, for the most part, don't advocate for gun owners, don't like conceal and carry laws, and certainly don't like capitol punishment.


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if you talk like a Demorat...you must be a Demorat~~~you're certainly not a Republican. Then again, you're so confused, I'm not surprised that you don't recognize yourself for what you are.


Whatever lady. I've voted Republican many times in the past, but no more. They are criminals.

If I were a Democrat do you think I'd have voted Gore/Lieberman? I did not.

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I think roserose adds a unique perspective to the board - a very interesting person whom I hope continues to contribute to the board.


It would be nice to be able to understand what she's saying. Yeah, she's interesting alright.
davis¹³
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Nov 29 2005, 03:12 PM)
His first public reaction, in the summer, was to claim that the allegations and accusations were false and that he was innoncent, and that he would fight all charges.
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I'm as innocent as a newborn lamb!



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Thanks nom, I knew the jerk didn't volunteer anything.
Nomarchy
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In announcing in July that he would not seek reelection, Cunningham said he was innocent of wrongdoing and would fight any charges. After his guilty plea, he read a statement saying he had misled his family and his staff about the bribes.

"I learned in Vientam that the true measure of a man is how he responds to adversity,: Cunningham said. "I cannot undo what I have done, but I can atone."

Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Vista), who represents a neighboring district, said that Cunningham's admission confirmed the worst fears of his friends and supporters.

"We wanted desperately to hear Duke explain his conduct in a way that made sense to us," Issa said, "but increasingly feared that would not happen."


From the L.A.Times, Tuesday, November 29, 2005 A14
davis¹³
ohmy.gif gasp!!
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Nov 29 2005, 01:30 PM)
And yes, Space, on this subject, I am a fundamentalist.  I will not exploit "God" for material gain, I will not pretend belief, and I will not respect those who do, and I will NOT under any circumstances concede that it's OK to pressure people to pretend belief.

It's a line in the sand I can't and won't cross, and if that makes me a "fundamentalist", I will plead guilty to the charge.
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Where's the material gain in taking an oath?

Why do you insist the Judge was superstitious? Seems to me you're bashing his, and most of the rest of our beliefs.

PS: Your boys probably wouldn't have made the team anyway.
Carol
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Nov 29 2005, 04:17 PM)
From the L.A.Times,  Tuesday, November 29, 2005 A14
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So he's guilty. You want to hang him - go ahead. He's not the president of the United States, you know. Plenty of people in congress are weak. He'll be regretting his choices...too bad B. Clinton can't own up to his disgraceful conduct, which included lies that cost this country plenty as far as time, money and stature as a trusted world leader.
Nomarchy
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Nov 29 2005, 01:18 PM)
ohmy.gif  gasp!!
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Statement by Randy "Duke" Cunningham


Ladies & Gentlemen,

I have devoted my adult life to public service - first as a pilot in the U.S. Navy and later a Member of Congress -- 36 years in all. I have been honored to serve my country in times of peace and times of war. But the time has come for me to conclude the public chapter of my life. After talking with my wife Nancy and our children, I have decided that I will not stand for reelection in 2006.

In the last month, serious allegations have been made about my conduct in office. I again want to assure my constituents that I have acted honorably in the performance of my duties in Congress. This truth will be evident in time. I have cooperated with the government's investigation and I am confident that I will be vindicated.
But I will not ignore the damage to my standing in this community that has followed from these false charges, and the daily repetition of those charges in the press. Nor will I ignore the harsh toll that these allegations have had on my family. My family, and particularly Nancy, are the strongest people I know. Nancy's steadfast support has permitted me to keep going these last few weeks. I could not have done it without her. But my attorneys tell me that the government's inquiry will not conclude in a matter of weeks or even a few months. As a result, there is every reason to believe that this investigation will extend into the political season. I do not believe that a political campaign in the midst of such an investigation is in the best interests of my family or my constituents. Such a campaign should be about the issues that matter to the daily lives of the people, not personal finances.

I have committed my entire public career to securing our national defense, improving our schools and increasing job opportunities for the people of San Diego County. You all know me, and you know that my instinct is to remain in the arena and fight for these causes. And I am grateful for the statements of support that I have received from office holders at every level, encouraging me to continue the fight. I can do my work in Washington and I can defend myself against these allegations, but I don't think I can do either of these things effectively in the midst of a political campaign. Quite simply, right now, I am not the strongest champion for these causes. There are others in my party who are similarly committed to this mission and I will step aside to permit them to carry the banner forward. I learned in Viet Nam that no one person is more important than the mission, and I do not intend to forget that lesson now.

I want to thank all of our friends in San Diego who have rallied to our side in these difficult days. You cannot know how critical your love and support has been to Nancy and me this last month. We will forever be in your debt.

I want to say a final word to those friends who have shared with me in recent weeks their heartfelt concerns about the allegations against me. I fully recognize that I showed poor judgment when I sold my home in Del Mar to a friend who did business with the government. I should have given more thought to how such a transaction might look to those who don't know me. I have spent an entire life building a reputation of integrity and honesty. It pains me beyond words that I have jeopardized your trust.
I cannot turn back the clock but I want each of you to know that I did not profit improperly from the sale of my home in Del Mar. I believe that the sale of our Del Mar home was at a reasonable price, and that the proceeds from that sale are rightfully ours. Nancy and I have worked hard all our lives to save enough money to purchase a nice home where we could live out our later years. We love the people of Rancho Santa Fe and they have been very gracious to us during this tumultuous month. But I simply do not want there to be any question in the minds of my friends and supporters about whether I improperly benefited from my work as their representative in Washington. To that end, Nancy and I have decided that we will sell our home in Rancho Santa Fe and that we will donate a portion of the proceeds of that sale to three San Diego charities with which we have been affiliated for years - Sister Claire's Home for Abused & Battered Women, Bishop McKinney's School for At Risk Children, and Father Joe Carroll's Homeless Shelter in downtown San Diego.

Nancy and I know that this gesture will not convince the skeptics of our good faith. My detractors have made up their minds, and this act will not reach them -- or in anyway end the government's investigation of me. We are making this gesture not for them, but for our friends and supporters who have been with us for many years. I want them to know - regardless of what my critics may say - that I did nothing wrong.
It is fitting that I should make this announcement here at Cal State San Marcos because I have watched with pride throughout my years in Congress as this University has grown and flourished. I am proud to have taken a leading role in securing the funding for the University to establish a nursing program as well as improvements to the library and campus police. This school is a daily reminder to me that public service is a noble calling and that we can make our community a better place to live when we work together. I have been honored to represent you the last fourteen years, and I will continue for the remainder of my term to fight for you in Washington. Thank You.


http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2005/07/14.../7005133253.txt

From JULY 14, 2005.
Guest
bush has him beat hands down

don't worry yerself
davis¹³
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Clinton can't own up to his disgraceful conduct, which included lies that cost this country plenty as far as time, money and stature as a trusted world leader.


He lied like a pig and then admitted his affair. As far as the 40 million? That would REPUBLICAN'S waste of time.
Nomarchy
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Nov 29 2005, 01:25 PM)
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2005/07/14.../7005133253.txt

From JULY 14, 2005.
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Davis deserves an apology from Carol.
davis¹³
I did not have sexual relations with that $700,000.
Carol
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Nov 29 2005, 04:26 PM)
He lied like a pig and then admitted his affair.  As far as the 40 million? That would REPUBLICAN'S waste of time.
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get real...
Nomarchy
QUOTE(Carol @ Nov 29 2005, 01:24 PM)
So he's guilty.  You want to hang him - go ahead.  He's not the president of the United States, you know.  Plenty of people in congress are weak.  He'll be regretting his choices...too bad B. Clinton can't own up to his disgraceful conduct, which included lies that cost this country plenty as far as time, money and stature as a trusted world leader.
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You need to learn to keep your metaphorical mouth shut, once in a while.

He was singing an entirely different tune in July, lady. Read it and weep.

In short, he was telling plain, bold-faced LIES.
Bart Katz
Everyone is innocent until proved guilty in our system. No sane lawyer would tell a client to fess up right out of the gate.
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Nov 29 2005, 03:28 PM)
You need to learn to keep your metaphorical mouth shut, once in a while.

He was singing an entirely different tune in July, lady. Read it and weep.

In short, he was telling plain, bold-faced LIES.
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So what? So fucking what?
davis¹³
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Nov 29 2005, 03:29 PM)
So what?  So fucking what?
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ahhh yes, everyone is entitled to situational ethics.
Nomarchy
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Nov 29 2005, 01:28 PM)
Everyone is innocent until proved guilty in our system.  No sane lawyer would tell a client to fess up right out of the gate.
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Come ON. Enough of this bullshit.

He could've kept his mouth shut.

Every single uber-patriotic member of Congress, regardless of party membership, is exactly like Cunningham. They just haven't been caught. Every single one of them. In the fucking pockets of defense contractors.
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Nov 29 2005, 03:30 PM)
Come ON. Enough of this bullshit.

He could've kept his mouth shut.

Every single uber-patriotic member of Congress, regardless of party membership, is exactly like Cunningham. They just haven't been caught. Every single one of them. In the fucking pockets of defense contractors.
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Woulda, coulda, shoulda. That doesn't make Carol a liar or in need of apolgizing to anyone.
Carol
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Nov 29 2005, 04:28 PM)
You need to learn to keep your metaphorical mouth shut, once in a while.

He was singing an entirely different tune in July, lady. Read it and weep.

In short, he was telling plain, bold-faced LIES.
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So what...I say again. He's not the President of the United States. I'm not weeping at all...those that voted for him as their representative are obviously going to be disappointed and I'm glad it came out.

Too bad the public didn't know about B. Clinton before they put their trust in him AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES for 8 YEARS!!!!
davis¹³
Incuding the wives. Didn't Daschelle's wife get caught up in that shit too?
SherryB
QUOTE(Carol @ Nov 29 2005, 05:24 PM)
So he's guilty.  You want to hang him - go ahead.  He's not the president of the United States, you know.  Plenty of people in congress are weak.  He'll be regretting his choices...too bad B. Clinton can't own up to his disgraceful conduct, which included lies that cost this country plenty as far as time, money and stature as a trusted world leader.
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Whatever state or country Clinton goes to, he is greeted with flowers and open arms. The people of the world love him and so do over 70% of Americans. His lie about sex didn't bother anyone except the sex obsessed republicans in Congress. Most people in America didn't care if he was having sex with farm animals, the country was doing good and everyone was working.

Everywhere the sock puppet prez goes, angry protests break out, screaming mobs of people who hate bush and now hate America.

He will go down in history as the worst president America has ever had.
davis¹³
QUOTE(Carol @ Nov 29 2005, 03:32 PM)
So what...I say again.  He's not the President of the United States.  I'm not weeping at all...those that voted for him as their representative are obviously going to be disappointed and I'm glad it came out.

Too bad the public didn't know about B. Clinton before they put their trust in him AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES for 8 YEARS!!!!
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laugh.gif laugh.gif You are such a hypocrite!
Nomarchy
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Nov 29 2005, 01:29 PM)
So what?  So fucking what?
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At least, he had the decency to step up to the plate and admit that he was guilty - and is willing to take the punishment and try to do what he can to right his wrong. All Demorats do is DENY DENY DENY - even when it's futile for them to do so. How stupid is that? It not only exposes the Demorats stupidity and arrogance, it displays their distain for the public's ability to see through their lies.


And then she quoted from Rush. Nice.
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Nov 29 2005, 03:32 PM)
And then she quoted from Rush. Nice.
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How many people have to say, "so what", how many times, before you get it?
davis¹³
My friends, Carol is sooooo....


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Nomarchy
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Nancy and I know that this gesture will not convince the skeptics of our good faith. My detractors have made up their minds, and this act will not reach them -- or in anyway end the government's investigation of me. We are making this gesture not for them, but for our friends and supporters who have been with us for many years. I want them to know - regardless of what my critics may say - that I did nothing wrong.
davis¹³
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Nov 29 2005, 03:34 PM)
How many people have to say, "so what", how many times, before you get it?
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Hey old dude, what about MORALS AND VALUES??

SherryB
I think they offered Duke a deal, plead guilty and save the state the money for a big trial and get less time in the pokey. It's done all the time.

Nomarchy
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Nov 29 2005, 01:34 PM)
How many people have to say, "so what", how many times, before you get it?
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Get what?

Bart Katz
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Nov 29 2005, 03:39 PM)
Get what?

Ay ghamisou, malaka!
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The fact that your rant about July doesn't matter cause nobody said the Duke owned up to in then.
Carol
QUOTE(SherryB @ Nov 29 2005, 04:32 PM)
Whatever state or country Clinton goes to, he is greeted with flowers and open arms.  The people of the world love him and so do over 70% of Americans.  His lie about sex didn't bother anyone except the sex obsessed republicans in Congress.  Most people in America didn't care if he was having sex with farm animals, the country was doing good and everyone was working. 

  Everywhere the sock puppet prez goes, angry protests break out, screaming mobs of people who hate bush and now hate America. 

  He will go done in history as the worst president America has ever had.
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You're so full of crap that I can smell you from here~~~

B. Clinton loved? LOL!!!!! Only idiots like you would confess to admiring such a low-life as him. It wasn't about sex...but, you can't get it, can you? You're so blind to his lies and manipulation that I feel sorry for you...almost...well, hardly since that is what you choose to believe and you're no spring chicken...there really is no excuse for your naivity.

President Bush has made this country far safer and more respected than B. Clinton ever could have. All B. Clinton did was focus on making people dependant on his gratuitous handouts so that he could continue his personal pursuits. B. Clinton thought he could buy his way into a respectable legacy - and his political wardogs tried their best to make it happen - but it didn't. B. Clinton was exposed for the corrupted president he was. B. Clinton has no honor and has no respect except from those, such as you, who continue to idolize the lies he has fed into your mind.




Bart Katz
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And the Slickmeister was saying what while he wagged his finger at the world on TV?
Nomarchy
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Nov 29 2005, 01:40 PM)
The fact that your rant about July doesn't matter cause nobody said the Duke owned up to in then.
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Carol.

Owning up to it after you've copped a plea isn't much of a gesture of manliness.
Nomarchy
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President Bush has made this country far safer and more respected than B. Clinton ever could have.


Deaf and blind. Too bad you're not "mute", as well.
davis¹³
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President Bush has made this country far safer and more respected than B. Clinton ever could have.


Look at any poll from anywhere. He's respected? where?
Carol
QUOTE(SherryB @ Nov 29 2005, 04:32 PM)
Whatever state or country Clinton goes to, he is greeted with flowers and open arms.  The people of the world love him and so do over 70% of Americans.  His lie about sex didn't bother anyone except the sex obsessed republicans in Congress.  Most people in America didn't care if he was having sex with farm animals, the country was doing good and everyone was working. 

  Everywhere the sock puppet prez goes, angry protests break out, screaming mobs of people who hate bush and now hate America. 

  He will go down in history as the worst president America has ever had.
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In your dreams~~~

President Bush far outshines the idiot that you idiolize...and that would be B. Clinton - the master of lies and deception. The world knows B. Clinton for what he is - when are you going to wise up?


davis¹³
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Prosecutors have told one lawmaker, Rep. Robert W. Ney (R-Ohio), and his former chief of staff that they are preparing a possible bribery case against them, The Washington Post has reported. About 40 investigators and prosecutors are also looking into the activities of several lawmakers, including Sen. Conrad Burns (R-Mont.), Rep. John T. Doolittle (R-Calif.) and former House majority leader Tom DeLay ®, who is facing unrelated campaign finance charges in his home state of Texas. Burns, Doolittle and DeLay have denied any wrongdoing.


lol. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
Nomarchy
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President Bush far outshines the idiot that you idiolize.


You inhabit a strange parallel universe. W. couldn't outshine a black hole.
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Nov 29 2005, 03:55 PM)
Carol.

Owning up to it after you've copped a plea isn't much of a gesture of manliness.
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How does that relate?
davis¹³
QUOTE(Carol @ Nov 29 2005, 04:03 PM)
In your dreams~~~

President Bush far outshines the idiot that you idiolize...and that would be B. Clinton - the master of lies and deception.  The world knows B. Clinton for what he is - when are you going to wise up?
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Your love of Bush definitely crosses into the cult of personality. From your perspective everyone is against him. He is a poor victim of a liberal assault on the faith-based.

No matter what he does he's not a liar, not a crook, he can do no wrong.

Idolize? Yep, that's a good word for it.
davis¹³
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The world knows B. Clinton for what he is - when are you going to wise up?


The whole world knows what Bush is, an opportunistic, cold-blooded, lying, torture lover.


THAT is why they hate us so much ... now.
Mizilus
why dont you simply ignore that lying defender of thieving liars?
Nomarchy
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Nov 29 2005, 02:07 PM)
How does that relate?
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I don't care to convince you that it does, at this juncture.

As you said, you've already made your point that you think it does not relate. Noted.
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Nov 29 2005, 04:17 PM)
I don't care to convince you that it does, at this juncture.

As you said, you've already made your point that you think it does not relate. Noted.
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Whatever.
Nomarchy
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Nov 29 2005, 02:20 PM)
Whatever.
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Ok.
Mizilus
so just how does a "defense contractor" approach a congressperson with a bribe I wonder? When do they get that opportunity? It just comes up in casual conversation? Or is it maybe the other way around, which I think is faaaar more likely.
Nomarchy
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I want them to know - regardless of what my critics may say - that I did nothing wrong.
Bart Katz
I DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH THAT WOMAN, MZ WHATZERNAME.user posted image
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