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lil bart
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Dec 17 2004, 08:04 AM)
See how it is?  sad.gif
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Cain't win fer losin'.

QUOTE(Bee @ Dec 17 2004, 09:46 AM)
What conspiracy?

If it's pro-capitalist, it's anti-socialist. Hello!

One is the opposite of the other, and of course they want this story out of the public sector. Anything to make a buck. "Public good" does not promote "making a buck."
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The best laid schemes of mice and men .... you can read the links to Rosa Luxemburg Nomarchy left for a tale of "for the public good" gone awry.
Bart Katz
TOP 10 BEST AND WORST NETWORK TV SHOWS FOR FAMILY VIEWING

http://www.parentstv.org/ptc/grassroots/main.asp
davis¹³
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Great post, davey-do. 


Thanks. I couldn't go on without your support.

Expect more of the same high quality personality critiques in the future.

Every single time I see those worthless, opportunistic..... (well, you know the rest)

davis¹³
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He's an honorable pimp.


Is he like Huggy Bear or Rooster?
davis¹³
By the way lil bart, you left out the addition where I hoped he gives his wife crabs too.
lil bart
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Dec 17 2004, 10:21 AM)
Thanks. I couldn't go on without your support.

Expect more of the same high quality personality critiques in the future.

Every single time I see those worthless, opportunistic..... (well, you know the rest)
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And every single time ..... you know the rest. user posted image
lil bart
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Dec 17 2004, 10:22 AM)
By the way lil bart, you left out the addition where I hoped he gives his wife crabs too.
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Indeed I did. dry.gif
Bart Katz
It's not crabs.
Bart Katz
DATE TO SAVE

Dating to Save People from Hell


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10 Tips for Effective Missionary Dating

1. If he tells your that you are hot...
Tell him God made you hot.

2. If he wants to hold your hand...
Give him a Bible.

3. If he tries to get closer...
Tell him the Holy Spirit is wooing him.

4. If he asks to pay for dinner...
Remind him that Jesus also paid a debt He did not owe!

5. If he reaches his arm around you...
Tell him that nobody will ever be as close to you as Jesus is.

6. If he tries to kiss you...
Remind him that a kiss killed your Savior.

7. If he asks to come inside...
Ask him if he has asked Jesus to come inside his heart.

8. If he tells you he loves you...
Tell him that Jesus loves him.

9. If he gets angry that you won't put out...
Clarify to him that W.W.J.D. does NOT mean "Who would Jesus Do."

10. After you dump him...
Tell him that Jesus Christ will never leave or forsake him.


http://datetosave.com/christian_dating_tips.shtml
lil bart
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Dec 17 2004, 10:40 AM)
It's not crabs.
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Hey, watch your language around here, wouldja. rolleyes.gif user posted image

Bart Katz
QUOTE(lil bart @ Dec 17 2004, 12:44 PM)
Hey, watch your language around here, wouldja.  rolleyes.gif user posted image
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You're supposed to ask what are they?
lil bart
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Dec 17 2004, 10:45 AM)
You're supposed to ask what are they?
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[center]what are they? smile.gif [/center]
Bart Katz
QUOTE(lil bart @ Dec 17 2004, 01:01 PM)
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[center]what are they?  smile.gif [/center]
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Fruit flies. His banana is dead. laugh.gif
davis¹³
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Dec 17 2004, 01:15 PM)
Fruit flies.  His banana is dead.  laugh.gif
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lol!!!

wheeeeeew!!!

hey lil bart... Sucker!!!


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davis¹³
tanks barto... my cat wondered what the commotion was about. She thought it was funny too.
lil bart
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Dec 17 2004, 11:15 AM)
Fruit flies.  His banana is dead.  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Dec 17 2004, 11:17 AM)
lol!!!

wheeeeeew!!!

hey lil bart... Sucker!!!
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tanx, buds. I needed a party hat, a joke & some laffs. user posted image
Bart Katz
QUOTE(lil bart @ Dec 17 2004, 01:33 PM)
tanx, buds. I needed a party hat, a joke & some laffs. user posted image
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davis¹³
Amazing. A guy from the Weekly Standard talking about how Republican have abandoned the Contract for America.
davis¹³
272 former congresspersons have registered as lobbyists since 1995.
davis¹³
A Lobbyist's Progress


From the December 20, 2004 issue: Jack Abramoff and the end of the Republican Revolution.


by Andrew Ferguson
12/20/2004


IN HONOR OF THE TENTH anniversary of the fabled Republican Revolution--for precisely a decade has flown by since Republicans took control of the House of Representatives, following forty years of Democratic darkness--let us pause from our noise-making and silly-hat-wearing to ponder the story of Jack Abramoff and Michael Scanlon. They have lately been much in the news.

Abramoff was until recently a registered lobbyist, and Scanlon offers himself as a public affairs specialist, but more precisely they are what Republicans in Washington used to call "Beltway Bandits," profiteers who manipulate the power of big government on behalf of well-heeled people who pay them tons of money to do so. Sometime around 1995, Republicans in Washington stopped using the term "Beltway Bandits."

But they still exist, and how, and if you're a bandito of the Beltway variety, being "in the news" is a delicate matter. You want to be in the news, but not too much in the news. When the low-circulation, high-impact Washington magazine National Journal labels you, as it did Abramoff a couple years ago, "an object of awe on K Street," then that's exactly the kind of news you want to be in. (K Street, in downtown Washington, is where all the lobbyists have offices, just as securities traders used to be confined to Wall Street and drunks to Skid Row.) And when the low-circulation, high-impact Capitol Hill newspaper Roll Call underscores your close connections to powerful House Republicans, as it did for Scanlon a while back, that's excellent news to

be in, too. But when, on the other hand, the high-circulation, high-impact Washington Post runs stories underneath headlines that say: "Lobbyist Quits as Firm Probes Work with Tribe," followed by "Ex-Lobbyist is Focus of Widening Investigations," well, then, you know you are too much in the wrong kind of news.


http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/A...05/022nwtca.asp
Bart Katz
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Dec 21 2004, 07:11 AM)
272 former congresspersons have registered as lobbyists since 1995.
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That's a good employment program for them. smile.gif
Art.
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Dec 21 2004, 06:11 AM)
272 former congresspersons have registered as lobbyists since 1995.
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I was under the impression that Tauzin invented the concept.
lil bart
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Dec 21 2004, 05:20 AM)

A Lobbyist's Progress

http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/A...05/022nwtca.asp
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Great piece, davey -- great piece. As usual, Andrew Ferguson is stunning. He has the broad masterstrokes and paints in all the little details.

Assorted sniplets from the broad brush (chronologically aligned but taken out of the detailed context):
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And then there is the identity of the people involved. For 25 years Abramoff has been a key figure in the conservative movement that led to the 1994 Republican Revolution, which once promised "to drain the swamp" in Washington, D.C. Abramoff is mentor and close friend to the prominent activist Grover Norquist, and to Ralph Reed, founder of the Christian Coalition, highly successful political operative, and self-advertised adviser to the Bush White House. Both Reed and Norquist, in fact, lead organizations that were recipients of the tribes' generosity, through Abramoff's intercession.

All of these factors combine to make Abramoff's story worth pondering. They also go a long way towards explaining why Republicans in Washington stopped using the term "Beltway Bandits" sometime around 1995.

JACK ABRAMOFF IS 45. He grew up in Beverly Hills, son of a Diners Club executive, and went to college at Brandeis. A shared passion for conservative activism--not the most common passion on campuses in Massachusetts--led him to a friendship with Norquist, a Harvard graduate student. Together they organized students for the 1980 Reagan campaign in their state, which Reagan, miraculously, carried. After graduation they launched a campaign to take over a sleepy, Washington-based subsidiary of the Republican National Committee called College Republicans. Abramoff spent $10,000 of personal money winning the chairmanship. With Norquist as executive director, he transformed CR into a "right-wing version of a communist cell--complete with purges of in-house dissenters and covert missions to destroy the enemy left," as Nina Easton puts it in her useful history, Gang of Five.

None of this lucrative representation--I hurry to note--would raise an eyebrow among the capital's well-heeled political class. Democratic lobbyists have fattened off Washington for years. Abramoff was merely the first Republican to discover that pretending to advance the interests of conservative small-government could, for a lobbyist, be as insanely lucrative as pretending to advance the interests of liberal big-government; in reality, of course, lobbyists advance their own interests above all. It helped, too, when conservatives revised their philosophical commitments to embrace the nonsensical neologism "big government conservatism." Given this ideological elasticity, it was only a matter of time before Republicans achieved "parity" on K Street as they have in the country at large. No K Street firm can long endure without being half-Republican--thanks in large part to the exertions of Jack Abramoff.

Yet as often happens in the capital's lobbying culture, what's really fascinating isn't what's exceptional but what's typical. For apart from its price tag, which even lobbyists agree was excessive, the lobbying effort launched by Abramoff and Scanlon for the Tigua was perfectly ordinary. Indeed, it's almost a textbook case of the sly manipulation of federal power on behalf of those who are willing to pay up--with the middlemen as the ultimate beneficiaries.

Stripped of its peculiar grossness, Abramoff's Indian story really is just another story of business as usual in the world of Washington lobbying, and the longer hearings like McCain's drag on, the more likely it is that even the Republican "grass-roots" will wise up. That closed, parasitic culture of convenience--with its revolving doors, front groups, pay-offs, expense-account comfort, and ideological cover stories--is as essential to the way Republican Washington works, ten years after the Revolution, as ever it was to Democratic Washington.


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SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(lil bart @ Dec 21 2004, 12:53 PM)
Great piece, davey -- great piece. As usual, Andrew Ferguson is stunning. He has the broad masterstrokes and paints in all the little details.

Assorted sniplets from the broad brush (chronologically aligned but taken out of the detailed context):
A+ for contribution to you. You got a good nose. user posted image
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Sounds like the climate is right for the "reform" of Social Security. That's some cash flow there.
davis¹³
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A+ for contribution to you. You got a good nose.


He was on Washington Journal this morning. I'd never heard of him.


He said it took the Democrats forty years to entrench themselves in government with special interest money.

Then he said the Republicans did it in ten.
lil bart
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Dec 21 2004, 11:02 AM)
He was on Washington Journal this morning. I'd never heard of him.
He said it took the Democrats forty years to entrench themselves in government with special interest money.

Then he said the Republicans did it in ten.
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Add him to your "honest conservative" list. You will not always like or agree with what he says, but I think it can safely be said he is an honest player. With the rare Washington Journal exceptions, we also will not see him in the musical chair TV smarmy snarky shrieky pundit spots. cool.gif
davis¹³
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the musical chair TV smarmy snarky shrieky pundit spots



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lil bart
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Dec 21 2004, 11:30 AM)
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Cheery up, davey-do. Not too many playas can escape untarnished from those.

Speaking of "phony," guess whose umpteenth "conference" is being (re)broadcast on C-SPAN. Why, if it ain't the American Enterprise Institute. rolleyes.gif
davis¹³
American Enterprise Institute?


how about that. I saw Perle on This Week this week. dry.gif

Anyway, I thought "why the hell do you have this guy on at all?" Then I started listening to him and decided the US citizens need to listen to him and his neoconservative buddies... very carefully, and as often as possible.
davis¹³
Ha ha. Suckers..... burned again. Ask Tauzin if he's for it.


U.S.: Drug imports can't be safe and cheap

By MARK SHERMAN
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush dangled his support for legalizing prescription drug imports before voters during this year's campaign, but his administration declared Tuesday it's too costly to do safely.
Regulating the purchase of prescription medicines from abroad would wipe away most savings and diminish investment in new drugs, said a report from an administration task force studying the feasibility of legalized drug imports.

Consumers would be better off increasing their use of generic medicines, which often are cheaper in the United States than elsewhere, the report said.

Proponents of drug imports, including some Republican lawmakers, said the report's conclusions were not surprising because many task force members have been staunchly opposed to importation. "It sounds like PhRMA could have written the report," Rep. Jo Ann Emerson, R-Mo., said, referring to the drug industry trade group.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DRU...EMPLATE=DEFAULT
SpaceCowboy
Do they ever get tired of bait and switch?
lil bart
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Dec 21 2004, 06:20 PM)
Do they ever get tired of bait and switch?
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Then they switch to switch 'n bait. smile.gif
Nomarchy
QUOTE(lil bart @ Dec 21 2004, 09:30 PM)
Then they switch to switch 'n bait.  smile.gif
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Big Bart claims that the Republicans are going to make additional gains in the House and the Senate in 06, if I understood him correctly. The way he called the Ohio Presidential election, I am taking his predictions seriously.
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(lil bart @ Dec 21 2004, 11:30 PM)
Then they switch to switch 'n bait.  smile.gif
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Either way, I think we'll be eating bait while they be eatin’ caviar.
lil bart
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Dec 21 2004, 08:33 PM)
Big Bart claims that the Republicans are going to make additional gains in the House and the Senate in 06, if I understood him correctly. The way he called the Ohio Presidential election, I am taking his predictions seriously.
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I recommend taking his predictions seriously. Bart is 1/10th as partisan as he is smart.

QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Dec 21 2004, 08:33 PM)
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Either way, I think we'll be eating bait while they be eatin’ caviar.
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Roe roe roe our boats? On the trickle-down stream?

Rhythm's wrong. But like GG sez Bart sez, thoughts that count. smile.gif
Bart Katz
Annenberg group with 527 groups on C-Span 2 now. First hour or so with repugs and after that dems. Keeping them separated. laugh.gif Kinda interesting rundown on their ads from the election.
Bart Katz
QUOTE(lil bart @ Dec 21 2004, 10:37 PM)
I recommend taking his predictions seriously. Bart is 1/10th as partisan as he is smart.

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Maybe I should be more partisan. smile.gif
lil bart
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Dec 21 2004, 08:41 PM)
Maybe I should be more partisan.  smile.gif
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Yeah ... but then Arturo would have to change your title. And you're the only one who's ever achieved that rank. laugh.gif
Bart Katz
QUOTE(lil bart @ Dec 21 2004, 10:54 PM)
Yeah ... but then Arturo would have to change your title. And you're the only one who's ever achieved that rank.  laugh.gif
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That was smart. laugh.gif
lil bart
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Dec 21 2004, 08:57 PM)
That was smart.  laugh.gif
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Yeah, that was a good twick. laugh.gif laugh.gif
Bart Katz
QUOTE(lil bart @ Dec 21 2004, 11:16 PM)
Yeah, that was a good twick.  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Experience is the best teacher.
davis¹³
Energy Companies Help Lift Inaugural Fund to $8 Million
By GLEN JUSTICE

Published: December 24, 2004


WASHINGTON, Dec. 23 - Drawing support from the energy industry and other longtime backers of President Bush, the Presidential Inaugural Committee has raised almost $8 million since it began gathering money this month, according to a list it released Thursday.

ExxonMobil, the Occidental Petroleum Corporation, ChevronTexaco and the Southern Company were among more than 20 donors to give the maximum $250,000, which entitles executives to attend the ceremonies, black-tie balls and events with the president. Many others gave smaller amounts in return for fewer perks, like the $100,000 contributed by the military contractors Boeing and Northrop Grumman.

The Presidential Inaugural Committee is seeking to raise as much as $40 million to kick off Mr. Bush's second term, with multiple events leading up to the Jan. 20 swearing-in, and has spent much of December soliciting donors across the country, despite the holidays and the exhaustion brought by an election that raised record amounts.

"There is some donor fatigue," said Brad Freeman, a longtime Bush supporter and fund-raiser who is a co-chairman of the committee. "But they have had a nice rest."

So far, the roster of donors is thick with people and companies loyal to Mr. Bush and the Republican Party, and fund-raisers expect it to grow substantially.

For corporations, the inauguration represents a rare opportunity to write large checks. Though companies are forbidden to contribute directly to candidates or political parties during an election, campaign finance laws do not restrict them from donating to events like political conventions or inaugurations. Roughly half the 52 contributors identified so far are companies, including well-known names like International Paper, Union Pacific and Qualcomm.

Several donors are individuals who also played a major role in this year's election. For example, T. Boone Pickens, a Texas oilman who contributed $250,000 for the inauguration, had given a total of about $5.5 million to the Progress for America Voter Fund and Swift Vets and P.O.W.'s for Truth, two groups that supported Mr. Bush.

Ameriquest Capital Corporation also gave $250,000 to the inauguration. Dawn Arnall, who is co-chairwoman of the company along with her husband, Roland Arnall, gave $5 million to the Progress for America Voter Fund this year. The two were also $200,000 "ranger" fund-raisers for Mr. Bush's campaign.

Another $250,000 donor for the inauguration is Richard Kinder, a former president of the Enron Corporation, who is now chief executive of the Kinder Morgan energy transportation companies. His wife, Nancy Kinder, was a ranger fund-raiser for Mr. Bush and both are members of the inauguration's finance committee.

Though there is no legal limit to the amount donors can give to an inauguration, the committee has voluntarily capped donations at $250,000 per contributor. That apparently does not stop related organizations from each giving the maximum.

For example, Ameriquest, which is a holding company for several financial services firms, gave $250,000, as did Argent Mortgage Company, Long Beach Acceptance Corporation and Town and County Credit, which are each part of Ameriquest. Collectively, the affiliated companies gave $1 million.

Some advocates of tighter campaign finance restrictions say the lack of limits on inaugural fund-raising is a shortcoming in the McCain-Feingold campaign finance law, which was passed in 2002 to ban unlimited soft-money contributions to candidates and political parties.

"It's a problem because the opportunity for wealthy donors to funnel huge sums of money to the president and receive recognition from the president could translate into access and influence," said Donald J. Simon, a lawyer who has worked to tighten campaign finance laws.


Can you say "payback, bribe, payoff, ect, ect?
The Republican party is infested with corporate cockroaches. If there were a nuclear war, the only survivors would be ants, cockroaches and Republicans.
davis¹³
Energy Companies Help Lift Inaugural Fund to $8 Million
By GLEN JUSTICE

Published: December 24, 2004


WASHINGTON, Dec. 23 - Drawing support from the energy industry and other longtime backers of President Bush, the Presidential Inaugural Committee has raised almost $8 million since it began gathering money this month, according to a list it released Thursday.

ExxonMobil, the Occidental Petroleum Corporation, ChevronTexaco and the Southern Company were among more than 20 donors to give the maximum $250,000, which entitles executives to attend the ceremonies, black-tie balls and events with the president. Many others gave smaller amounts in return for fewer perks, like the $100,000 contributed by the military contractors Boeing and Northrop Grumman.

The Presidential Inaugural Committee is seeking to raise as much as $40 million to kick off Mr. Bush's second term, with multiple events leading up to the Jan. 20 swearing-in, and has spent much of December soliciting donors across the country, despite the holidays and the exhaustion brought by an election that raised record amounts.

"There is some donor fatigue," said Brad Freeman, a longtime Bush supporter and fund-raiser who is a co-chairman of the committee. "But they have had a nice rest."

So far, the roster of donors is thick with people and companies loyal to Mr. Bush and the Republican Party, and fund-raisers expect it to grow substantially.

For corporations, the inauguration represents a rare opportunity to write large checks. Though companies are forbidden to contribute directly to candidates or political parties during an election, campaign finance laws do not restrict them from donating to events like political conventions or inaugurations. Roughly half the 52 contributors identified so far are companies, including well-known names like International Paper, Union Pacific and Qualcomm.

Several donors are individuals who also played a major role in this year's election. For example, T. Boone Pickens, a Texas oilman who contributed $250,000 for the inauguration, had given a total of about $5.5 million to the Progress for America Voter Fund and Swift Vets and P.O.W.'s for Truth, two groups that supported Mr. Bush.

Ameriquest Capital Corporation also gave $250,000 to the inauguration. Dawn Arnall, who is co-chairwoman of the company along with her husband, Roland Arnall, gave $5 million to the Progress for America Voter Fund this year. The two were also $200,000 "ranger" fund-raisers for Mr. Bush's campaign.

Another $250,000 donor for the inauguration is Richard Kinder, a former president of the Enron Corporation, who is now chief executive of the Kinder Morgan energy transportation companies. His wife, Nancy Kinder, was a ranger fund-raiser for Mr. Bush and both are members of the inauguration's finance committee.

I guess they survived the crash pretty well.


Though there is no legal limit to the amount donors can give to an inauguration, the committee has voluntarily capped donations at $250,000 per contributor. That apparently does not stop related organizations from each giving the maximum.

For example, Ameriquest, which is a holding company for several financial services firms, gave $250,000, as did Argent Mortgage Company, Long Beach Acceptance Corporation and Town and County Credit, which are each part of Ameriquest. Collectively, the affiliated companies gave $1 million.

Some advocates of tighter campaign finance restrictions say the lack of limits on inaugural fund-raising is a shortcoming in the McCain-Feingold campaign finance law, which was passed in 2002 to ban unlimited soft-money contributions to candidates and political parties.

"It's a problem because the opportunity for wealthy donors to funnel huge sums of money to the president and receive recognition from the president could translate into access and influence," said Donald J. Simon, a lawyer who has worked to tighten campaign finance laws.

obvious access. anything you want. How faith based folks can follow these obvious corporate whores is beyond me. I guess they have been bought too. Power and money integrated into evangelical Christianity. I guess Satan's having fun now!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$

"What we have here are the 'haves' and the 'have mores'. Some call you the elite, I call you my base."


I bet Bush eliminates the Endangered Species Act too, so his corporate allies can rape and pilliage what's been off limits for sooooo long. I bet they orgasm just thinking about all the money they'll make. Lowlife vermin. Like locusts.



http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/24/politics...html?oref=login

Can you say "payback, bribe, payoff, ect, ect?
The Republican party is infested with corporate cockroaches. If there were a nuclear war, the only survivors would be ants, cockroaches and Republicans.
Art.
You ought to boycott power to get 'em back. Spend that money on Dem backers. Maybe see a movie and sue somebody.
davis¹³
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You ought to boycott power to get 'em back.




Then I'll boycott all phone companies, the water company and gas stations. They are well aware that they have us by the balls.


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Spend that money on Dem backers.



Like Kerry?


or Hillary Clinton?


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Maybe see a movie and sue somebody.



I rarely go to movies, and I'm definitely not suing anyone.


I thought about suing for the last Rainier Wolfcastle, I mean Swartzenegger movie I saw.




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Art.
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Dec 25 2004, 07:00 AM)
Then I'll boycott all phone companies, the water company and gas stations. They are well aware that they have us by the balls.
Like Kerry?




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I'll send you some dixie cups and string, and you can start your own phone company.


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I thought about suing for the last Rainier Wolfcastle, I mean Swartzenegger movie I saw.


"how do you sleep at night"

"on a big pile of money, with many beautiful ladies"
davis¹³
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"how do you sleep at night"

"on a big pile of money, with many beautiful ladies"



Just asking.... laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
davis¹³
College Republicans' Fundraising Criticized


Front Organizations Were Used in Direct-Mail Campaign That Collected Millions

By Thomas B. Edsall
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, December 26, 2004; Page A05

The College Republican National Committee is under fire for using front organizations to collect millions of dollars in contributions, including money from elderly people with dementia.

Whoo hoo!!

Give me a "V"!


V!

Gimmee and "A"!

A!

Gimmee an "L"!!

L!

Gimmee a "U"!!

U!!

Gimmee an "E"!!

E!!

Gimmee an "S"!!

S!!


"What does it spell?"!!!


LOWLIFES!!

What does it spell??


LOWLIFES!!!


During the 2004 campaign, the group sent out direct-mail solicitations under such letterheads as "Republican Headquarters 2004" and "Republican Election Committee."


One four-page letter asked prospects to send $1,000 together with an American flag pin for President Bush to wear to "Republican Headquarters" to ensure that Bush knows "there are millions who are giving him the shield of God to protect him in the difficult days ahead."

In small print at the bottom of one page, the letter notes: "A project of and paid for by College Republican National Committee."


Many donors complained that they thought the money was going directly to the Republican Party, and not to the college group, which is no longer affiliated with the GOP. The controversy over the letters has produced angry responses from leaders of state College Republican chapters, including those in Washington state, North Carolina and New York.

The University of Washington College Republicans approved a resolution calling on Eric Hoplin, chairman of the national committee, "to take full responsibility for his actions," acknowledge that those actions have substantially harmed the College Republicans grass-roots organization and "promptly resign."

Dan Centinello, New York College Republicans chairman, complained that the national leaders have not taken prompt and decisive action to correct the situation. "I don't want to see hard work by all of us be tarnished by a fundraising scandal," he said.

Internal disputes over fundraising tactics have been brewing among College Republican groups for at least three years, but they surfaced in late October, after the publication of damaging news reports in the Seattle Times and the Durham Herald-Sun.

The Times reported that a number of elderly donors gave far more money than they could afford.

"I don't have any more money," Cecilia Barbier, 90, a retired church worker in New York who made more than 300 donations totaling nearly $100,000, told the paper. "That was all the savings. . . . Now I'm scrounging."

Monda Jo Millsap, 68, of Van Buren, Ark., told the Times that she emptied a savings account, then got a $5,000 bank loan to give a total of $59,000.

In the immediate aftermath, Hoplin e-mailed top state officials of the organization, telling them not to speak to the news media. "We need the story to go away," he wrote. "The story is full of lies and distortions written by a well-known liberal who is out to get us. If the press asks you about it, tell them you have no comment."

LOL!!! Get out of here!! Scam the elderly and then blame the liberals? lol!!


Hoplin declined to be interviewed for this report. He told the Minneapolis Star Tribune, "We've come to discover that there are a few donors who have been confused, a few donors who have some form of dementia, who aren't entirely sure of the amount of money that they're giving -- and how often they're giving." He said that donors who believe they were misled will have their money refunded.

Late last month, the College Republican executive board approved a verbal resolution proposed by Hoplin to review and likely cancel the organization's direct-mail contract with Virginia-based Response Dynamics Inc., according to sources who attended.

The College Republicans once were an arm of the Republican National Committee. In anticipation of the 2002 McCain-Feingold campaign finance law, it became independent and formed in April of that year what is known as a 527 organization under the tax code. Since then, the College Republicans have raised $14.8 million, largely through the direct-mail program run by Response Dynamics.

Ron Kanfer, who operates Response Dynamics, defended the company's solicitations. "When you mail out a million letters and somebody does something inadvertently and it's pointed out, they get a refund," he said. He added that all fundraising letters from the College Republicans are approved by top officials of the group.

Kanfer noted that since Response Dynamics took the account, "the College Republican budget has increased twenty-five-fold." The mailings, he said, use "the same lists that every Republican fundraiser basically mails -- gun owners, pro-life activists, businessmen who don't like attorneys. It would be absurd to think we have lists called 'dementia people.' "



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Bee
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including money from elderly people with dementia.


I think all of those "republicans" are suffering from a form of dementia. Young and old.

[[shakes head]]

Got in an argument about the death penalty yesterday. My sis-in-law who usually quite reasonable. No one agreed with her. Sad.

I feel bad about my bit in it, tho.

sad.gif

She accused everyone (including my mom-in-law) of having only a single POV, but truth is, she was the one guilty of it. She quoted all the usual right-reactionary talking points.

So very sad.

I wonder if that was not the point of the whole obsessive Scott Peterson nonsense, to harden people to accept the death penalty.

It has become a very scary Country. I fear for the children.
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Bee @ Dec 26 2004, 11:12 AM)
I think all of those "republicans" are suffering from a form of dementia. Young and old.

[[shakes head]]

Got in an argument about the death penalty yesterday. My sis-in-law who usually quite reasonable. No one agreed with her. Sad.

I feel bad about my bit in it, tho.

sad.gif

She accused everyone (including my mom-in-law) of having only a single POV, but truth is, she was the one guilty of it. She quoted all the usual right-reactionary talking points.

So very sad.

I wonder if that was not the point of the whole obsessive Scott Peterson nonsense, to harden people to accept the death penalty.

It has become a very scary Country. I fear for the children.
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You should kick that sister in law out of the family, or at the least, not invite her to family gatherings where she might disagree with you all. Why would you even think about letting such an obviously moronic and intolerant bish into an elite discussion anyway? sad.gif
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