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Bart Katz
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Jan 5 2005, 12:28 PM)
Thanks. Have you ever pondered the similarities between the above and the function of (usually kin-based) male-staffed "protection entities" for the women-folk?

"Pay us" to be protected from other (men) and from us

Food for thought.
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It's certainly worth pondering.
Bart Katz
QUOTE(lil bart @ Jan 5 2005, 01:03 PM)
Please stand on the street-side of the sidewalk and whisper that in my ear.  laugh.gif

Seriously, folks, I think that analogy is stretched to the point the elasticity snaps.  smile.gif
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psst

pay me
lil bart
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Jan 5 2005, 11:10 AM)
psst

pay me
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Could you please speak up? laugh.gif Here's a stuffed animal for you. Bring your own stickpins. smile.gif

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Nomarchy
QUOTE(lil bart @ Jan 5 2005, 12:03 PM)
Please stand on the street-side of the sidewalk and whisper that in my ear.  laugh.gif

Seriously, folks, I think that analogy is stretched to the point the elasticity snaps.  smile.gif
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How so? Maybe I was unclear in my exposition thereof.

It follows the basic premises of any political (i.e. power) theory of stratification. Inequalities in the capacity (original and insturmental) for violence. As I am not doing too well in expounding my thoughts at this time, perhaps you can connect the dots yourself and see whether the analogy works.
Nomarchy
SAY NO!


QUOTE(lil bart @ Jan 5 2005, 12:14 PM)
Could you please speak up?  laugh.gif Here's a stuffed animal for you. Bring your own stickpins.  smile.gif

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Bart Katz
QUOTE(lil bart @ Jan 5 2005, 01:14 PM)
Could you please speak up?  laugh.gif Here's a stuffed animal for you. Bring your own stickpins.  smile.gif

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Will work for cookies.
lil bart
Oh, I do think so.

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Bart Katz
QUOTE(lil bart @ Jan 5 2005, 01:31 PM)
Oh, I do think so.

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I needed those. I've been reduced to eating graham crackers and peanut butter.
davis¹³
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Jan 5 2005, 05:47 PM)
I needed those.  I've been reduced to eating graham crackers and peanut butter.
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Snowed in?


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Human Ills
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Jan 5 2005, 04:45 AM)
Good for you and your Contract for American party.  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

So you are totally partisan. I could never do that. I have never supported Democrats completely. Never. I have always voted the candidate. I've never voted a straight Democrat ticket ... before this year. That dickhead lying, two-faced war monger Bush has aliented me completely.  Congress is a close second. There are only a hand full of honest Republicans.

I supported the Afghanistan invasion, but Iraq was the biggest foreign policy disaster in my lifetime.

Republicans have proven themselves as liars and total corporate opportunists. Democrats are just about as bad. Fearing the label of "unpatriotic", they rolled over and allowed Bush to decieve us into war. No oversight, no responsibility, no debate at all. Now those who failed miserably have been promoted. Nice.

They used 9/11 as a political tool to seize power and I despise them for their mushroom cloud fear mongering.

Then they get into office using morals and values as false advertising but need to change the rules to protect their own from investigations. I'm not only talking about the DeLay thing. You think Eagleburger was chosen to head the phony whitewash bullshit investigation into how intel was used in the lead up to the war because he was non-partisan?

Now everything is super secret and no one is allowed to know anything. You trust them, I don't. AT ALL.

The new American fascists.
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Once again, you missed what I said. Just because I have never voted democrat, doesn't mean I have always voted Republican.
Nomarchy
QUOTE(Human Ills @ Jan 5 2005, 05:14 PM)
Once again, you missed what I said. Just because I have never voted democrat, doesn't mean I have always voted Republican.
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And, that's a point that needs to be made, repeatedly.
lil bart
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Jan 5 2005, 03:47 PM)
I needed those.  I've been reduced to eating graham crackers and peanut butter.
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Top 'em with a little jelly. Yums.

But yes, good cookies are nice. New tip for gooey: put 'em in the micro for about 5 or 10 second at half power. You will learn what works to create goo that you don't have to wait to cool down. Goos up cookies after the first good-gooey day. smile.gif

I'll tell Martha when she gits out.
davis¹³
QUOTE(Human Ills @ Jan 5 2005, 06:14 PM)
Once again, you missed what I said. Just because I have never voted democrat, doesn't mean I have always voted Republican.
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Ahhh my mistake. I'd rather see Ross Perot in the White House than GW.
Bart Katz
QUOTE(lil bart @ Jan 5 2005, 06:35 PM)
smile.gif 

Top 'em with a little jelly. Yums.

But yes, good cookies are nice. New tip for gooey: put 'em in the micro for about 5 or 10 second at half power. You will learn what works to create goo that you don't have to wait to cool down. Goos up cookies after the first good-gooey day.  smile.gif

I'll tell Martha when she gits out.
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I might be able to get a message to her. smile.gif
Bee
Unmitigated.

Gall.

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All gall is divided into parts, so what's next?

The Commerce Department nominee promising that giveaways to big business will be done with subtlety?

The Environmental Protection Agency nominee promising that the toxin content in water will never rise to Yushchenko level?

It's comforting to start the new year in the hands of a party that cares so much about morals and values.

Tom DeLay and oily House Republicans inaugurated their new term by gutting ethics rules just in case any of them get caught in whatever misconduct they are plotting.

Rummy continued on his oblivious, dissembling path, refusing to admit that he's tapped out the Army and broken the Army Reserve with what Lt. Gen. James Helmly, the frustrated chief of the Army Reserve, calls "dysfunctional" policies. We've gotten so numb on Iraq that when eight American soldiers and over 80 Iraqi police officers get killed, when the governor of Baghdad gets assassinated, and when our puppets plead with Mr. Bush to delay the elections, it all seems like just another week of pre-election maneuvering.

In The Los Angeles Times, we learn that Bush fave Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas "has accepted tens of thousands of dollars worth of gifts since joining the high court, including $1,200 worth of tires, valuable historical items and a $5,000 personal check to help pay a relative's education expenses."

A guy we pay nearly $200,000 a year can't pop for his own tires? Whatever happened to the dignity of the robe? At least we know where our possible future chief justice stands: on the side of personal corruption.

"He also took a free trip aboard a private jet to the exclusive Bohemian Grove club in Northern California - arranged by a wealthy Texas real estate investor who helped run an advocacy group that filed briefs with the Supreme Court," the paper said.

The L.A. Times reviewed the disclosures of all nine justices for the years 1998 through 2003 and found that "Thomas accepted $42,200 in gifts, making him the top recipient. Next in that period was Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, who accepted $5,825 in gifts, mostly small crystal figurines and other items."

Clarence Thomas follows Antonin Scalia's lead on the law. Why not also on ethics? Justice Scalia defended taking his relatives on a ride on Air Force Two to Louisiana with Dick Cheney to go duck hunting, even though the v.p. had an important case before the court, by saying that it would have been a "considerable inconvenience" to fly commercial.

Going through a blistering confirmation hearing where his inappropriate behavior was questioned didn't teach Clarence Thomas much. Can we hope for anything better from Mr. Gonzales after he's waved through to be the man in charge of enforcing our laws?

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/06/opinion/06dowd.html


I'm sure Mr. Gonzales will enforce the law... selectively. It will be amusing to see what the apologists come up with for this.
davis¹³
QUOTE(Bee @ Jan 6 2005, 08:49 AM)
Unmitigated.

Gall.
I'm sure Mr. Gonzales will enforce the law... selectively. It will be amusing to see what the apologists come up with for this.
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This country has gone to the dogs.
Bart Katz
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davis¹³
Your Felix is pretty cool. Where'd you get that one?
Bart Katz
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Jan 6 2005, 10:04 AM)
Your Felix is pretty cool. Where'd you get that one?
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It was someon's avatar on another board. Stole it.
davis¹³
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Jan 6 2005, 10:09 AM)
It was someon's avatar on another board. Stole it.
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Bart Katz
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Jan 6 2005, 10:15 AM)
blink.gif you copy image location?
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Right. Then plug it into the avatar Img box.
davis¹³
thanks

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davis¹³
Crooked bastards.


Boss May Be Out of Awkward Ethics Chair

By Richard Simon, Times Staff Writer

WASHINGTON — When he became chairman of the House ethics committee, Rep. Joel Hefley took on perhaps the most thankless job in Congress: investigating his colleagues and meting out discipline.

But after issuing three rebukes last year to House Majority Leader Tom DeLay of Texas, the chamber's second-ranking Republican, Hefley is fighting to keep the committee gavel that few of his colleagues would want. On Thursday, the Colorado Republican didn't think he was likely to hold onto it.

"I guess I'm going to get booted," he said in a radio interview.


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/na...ack=3&cset=true



SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Jan 7 2005, 07:54 AM)
Crooked bastards.
Boss May Be Out of Awkward Ethics Chair

By Richard Simon, Times Staff Writer

WASHINGTON — When he became chairman of the House ethics committee, Rep. Joel Hefley took on perhaps the most thankless job in Congress: investigating his colleagues and meting out discipline.

But after issuing three rebukes last year to House Majority Leader Tom DeLay of Texas, the chamber's second-ranking Republican, Hefley is fighting to keep the committee gavel that few of his colleagues would want. On Thursday, the Colorado Republican didn't think he was likely to hold onto it.

"I guess I'm going to get booted," he said in a radio interview.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/na...ack=3&cset=true
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Great - let no good deed go unpunished.
davis¹³
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Jan 7 2005, 07:02 AM)
Great - let no good deed go unpunished.
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Morals and values are such a tenuous and subjective concept.
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Jan 7 2005, 08:06 AM)
Morals and values are such a tenuous and subjective concept.
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I hear that they are situational.

Who knew?
SpaceCowboy
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davis¹³
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davis¹³
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Jan 7 2005, 07:23 AM)
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SpaceCowboy
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davis¹³
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Jan 7 2005, 07:24 AM)
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Bee
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How did we find ourselves living in a bad novel? It was not ever thus. Hypocrites, cranks and scoundrels have always been with us, on both sides of the aisle. But 9/11 created an environment some liberals summarize with the acronym Iokiyar: it's O.K. if you're a Republican.

The public became unwilling to believe bad things about those who claim to be defending the nation against terrorism. And the hypocrites, cranks and scoundrels of the right, empowered by the public's credulity, have come out in unprecedented force.

Apologists for the administration would like us to forget all about the Kerik affair, but Bernard Kerik perfectly symbolizes the times we live in. Like Rudolph Giuliani and, yes, President Bush, he wasn't a hero of 9/11, but he played one on TV. And like Mr. Giuliani, he was quick to cash in, literally, on his undeserved reputation.

Once the New York newspapers began digging, it became clear that Mr. Kerik is, professionally and personally, a real piece of work. But that's not unusual these days among people who successfully pass themselves off as patriots and defenders of moral values. Mr. Kerik must still be wondering why he, unlike so many others, didn't get away with it.

And Alberto Gonzales must be hoping that senators don't bring up the subject.

The principal objection to making Mr. Gonzales attorney general is that doing so will tell the world that America thinks it's acceptable to torture people. But his confirmation will also be a statement about ethics.

As White House counsel, Mr. Gonzales was charged with vetting Mr. Kerik. He must have realized what kind of man he was dealing with - yet he declared Mr. Kerik fit to oversee homeland security.

Did Mr. Gonzales defer to the wishes of a president who wanted Mr. Kerik anyway, or did he decide that his boss wouldn't want to know? (The Nelson Report, a respected newsletter, reports that Mr. Bush has made it clear to his subordinates that he doesn't want to hear bad news about Iraq.)

Either way, when the Senate confirms Mr. Gonzales, it will mean that Iokiyar remains in effect, that the basic rules of ethics don't apply to people aligned with the ruling party.


yeppers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/07/opinion/07krugman.html?hp
Bart Katz
NYT, the newspaper of record.
Human Ills
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Jan 6 2005, 08:23 AM)
thanks

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Forget about it davi boy. Your avatar is really funny.
lil bart
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Jan 7 2005, 05:23 AM)
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Auth nailed it.

Seriously, don't some cartoonists just cover it all in so much less space & fewer words?
davis¹³
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How did we find ourselves living in a bad novel?



He was right.
Bee
Washington Week in Revue
By TOM BURKA
http://tomburka.com/

Published: January 8, 2005


AS the 109th Congress convened this week, the news media once again turned their attention to Washington. Here are some stories they may have missed.

Alberto Gonzales, the White House lawyer nominated for the post of attorney general, has told colleagues that he fears further harsh treatment in the Senate.

"They're going to put me in stress positions," Mr. Gonzales is reported to have said. Mr. Gonzales has directed members of his staff to revise the White House definition of torture to include torture. In 2002, Mr. Gonzales had written a memo characterizing certain forms of torture as "conversational gambits."

Mr. Gonzales's confirmation hearings ended this week, but the Senate Judiciary Committee has yet to send its recommendation to the full Senate for debate. One senior Democratic senator has said he intends to use Gonzales-approved interrogation methods to make the nominee squirm.

A senatorial aide who did not want to have his identity revealed because of possible repercussions, the intern Joe Weathers, confirmed that the senator was researching whether it would be legal to isolate Mr. Gonzales before the vote and force him to listen to hours of the liberal talk radio host Al Franken.

"It does seem brutal," Mr. Weathers said. "But we don't think it violates the Geneva Conventions."

As the result of a bureaucratic slip-up, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was inadvertently included in the United States government delegation sent to comfort tsunami victims in Southeast Asia.

"Waves happen," Mr. Rumsfeld told survivors. "Weather is untidy. Sometimes you have to make do with the weather you get instead of the weather you want."

Mr. Rumsfeld also criticized the news coverage of the disaster. "They just keep showing the same wave over and over again," he said.

Despite considerable alarm and protest in Asia over Mr. Rumsfeld's comments, President Bush expressed his confidence in the secretary. "Beneath his gruff, brusque exterior, Donald Rumsfeld is a sensitive, caring man," he said. Presidential sources later said Mr. Rumsfeld was scheduled to return to Washington "as soon as we can get him out of there."

In the House of Representatives, Democrats were horrified to learn that Republicans had adopted a provision requiring Senator Barack Obama, Democrat of Illinois, to put the proceeds of his $1.9 million book deal into the legal defense fund of the House majority leader, Representative Tom DeLay.

"Obama's not even in the House," complained Representative Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic leader. She said Democrats would introduce a resolution that would require Bill Frist, the Republican leader of the Senate and a doctor, to provide free checkups to all House Democrats and their dependents.

In the Senate, Republican leaders adopted a new rule that would make it easier to limit Democratic filibusters of President Bush's judicial nominees.

While the old rule required the approval of at least three-fifths of the Senate to end debate, under the new rule only seven Republicans are needed to end a Democratic filibuster - or six if the support of seven Republicans cannot be found. Filibusters are also limited to 10 minutes.

Democrats, for their part, vowed to filibuster the rule change. Congressional scholars were researching whether Republicans could apply the new rule to the debate over the new rule, or the debate over the debate over the new rule.

"Americans should not expect to see any laws come out of the Senate this year," said Senator Harry Reid, the Democratic leader. He pledged that Senate Democrats would work hard for all Americans to ensure that Senate Republicans worked hard for all Americans.

Tom Burka, a lawyer, writes the satirical blog Opinions You Should Have.







davis¹³
I read in the local paper that despite all of his talk about ethics and responsibility, my rep Ray LaHood voted to change the ethics committee rules to eliminate investigations of Republicans if it's a tie vote.

Remember the Contract for America people? He stabbed them all in the back and confirmed that he is yet another Republican hypocrite who enables criminal behavior in spite of using religion and "values" to solidify their political support.

I say they have no credibility and are even worse than the criminals they wanted to hold accountable.

Corporate whores is the perfect description.
Bee
I agree with you davis.

Totally.

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davis¹³
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I agree with you davis.

Totally.


Truth is truth.

I didn't support all of the Contract for America, but the fiscal parts definitely went in the right direction. That was why I voted Nader in 2000.

But of course the worse thing the Republicans do that just enrages me is their manipulation of religion for their purposes.

When I was a Christian I would have never sanctioned, even encouraged the type of criminal behavior the Republicans engage in regularly.

Truth is truth. I won't sugar coat it or treat it with kids gloves any more because I'm not supposed to criticize Christianity. Religiously correct is much more insidious than politically correct. Red staters want, no, demand I change one set of values for the other.


This administration has ruthlessly used religion and false-patriotism as a cover for the largest expansion of corporate, military and police powers in our lifetimes. Libertarians should be outraged.

Ward
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Jan 9 2005, 08:36 AM)
Religiously correct is much more insidious than politically correct. Red staters want, no, demand I change one set of values for the other.
This administration has ruthlessly used religion and false-patriotism as a cover for the largest expansion of corporate, military and police powers in our lifetimes. Libertarians should be outraged.
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Interesting comparison of religiously correct vs politically correct values.

Libertarians tend to support corporate expansion and ecomonic growth. National defense and constitutional police services are on the libertarian short list of legitimate government functions.
Repub_Bub
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Jan 9 2005, 03:36 PM)

When I was a Christian I would have never sanctioned, even encouraged the type of criminal behavior the Republicans engage in regularly.

I'm not supposed to criticize Christianity.

This administration has ruthlessly used religion and false-patriotism as a cover for the largest expansion of corporate, military and police powers in our lifetimes. Libertarians should be outraged.



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It's ok davey....only four more years.
Art.
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Jan 9 2005, 08:09 AM)
I read in the local paper that despite all of his talk about ethics and responsibility, my rep Ray LaHood voted to change the ethics committee rules to eliminate investigations of Republicans if it's a tie vote.


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A law that eliminates investigations of Republicans? How would that be Constitutional? Care to post the wording that mentions Republicans?
Human Ills
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jan 9 2005, 09:57 AM)
A law that eliminates investigations of Republicans? How would that be Constitutional? Care to post the wording that mentions Republicans?
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davis is comfortable putting word's in anyones' mouth, be they representative or citizen.
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Human Ills @ Jan 9 2005, 12:03 PM)
davis is comfortable putting word's in anyones' mouth, be they representative or citizen.
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Maybe he should put a sock in it. sad.gif
lil bart
QUOTE(Repub_Bub @ Jan 9 2005, 08:30 AM)
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It's ok davey....only four more years.
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ya gotta admit that's funny, davey-do.
Human Ills
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Jan 9 2005, 10:04 AM)
Maybe he should put a sock in it.  sad.gif
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Oh never! He's awful persuasive. Why, when I started here I thought he was passionate, but he's convinced me he's just a jerk.
Bee
People that point out the obvious are never very popular.

Unfortunately they are also necessary when a large chunk of the population refuses to recognize the obvious

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Go davis, go!
Human Ills
QUOTE(Bee @ Jan 9 2005, 11:36 AM)
People that point out the obvious are never very popular.

Unfortunately they are also necessary when a large chunk of the population refuses to recognize the obvious

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Go davis, go!
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I agree. For instance folks that point out that abortion kills human life. rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif smile.gif rolleyes.gif wink.gif rolleyes.gif
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Human Ills @ Jan 9 2005, 12:11 PM)
Oh never! He's awful persuasive. Why, when I started here I thought he was passionate, but he's convinced me he's just a jerk.
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Crazed and glazed can sometimes be mistake for passionate.
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