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Bee

Oct 23 2004, 03:52 PM

As far as expanding the government, no president in history has done more than Bush. Nor has any president in history run up so much debt.

Proven incompetence against proven competence.

Oh my, for most thinking people it's a no brainer.

That's why Bush won't talk about his domestic agenda, all he can do is lie and mislead about Kerry's.

Now Repub, show me where Bushie's is better.

Put up or shut up.

Bee

Oct 23 2004, 03:54 PM

QUOTE (Repub_Bub @ Oct 23 2004, 10:44 AM)

I see that there has been no put up.......

15 minutes? That's pretty quick considering I was answering another of your empty charges elsewhere.

inyerface

Oct 23 2004, 03:56 PM

In several battleground states across the country, a consulting firm funded by the Republican National Committee has been accused of deceiving would-be voters and destroying Democratic voter registration cards.

Arizona-based Sproul & Associates is under investigation in Oregon and Nevada over claims that canvassers hired by the company were instructed to register only Republicans and to get rid of registration forms completed by Democrats.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews...ics/9989544.htm

inyerface

Oct 23 2004, 03:57 PM

buncha azzholes

Bee

Oct 23 2004, 04:01 PM

QUOTE (inyerface @ Oct 23 2004, 10:54 AM)

buncha azzholes

Yep, first they disenfranchise Dem voters by tearing up their registration forms, then they (hire, once again) people to harass the Democrats that show up.

Deplorable.

I'd be embarrassed to be a Republican.

inyerface

Oct 23 2004, 04:05 PM

if you had feelings, that is....

Bart Katz

Oct 23 2004, 04:05 PM

Democrats went to a home for retarded (brain damaged) people, told them all that Bush would take ther SSI, told them to all register dem and vote for Kerry, and they all did. Nice tactics dems.

inyerface

Oct 23 2004, 04:07 PM

playing the same game, eh?

that must really hurt the reps....

Bart Katz

Oct 23 2004, 04:11 PM

In Ohio there are 45,000 newly registered voters with non exixtant addresses.

Bart Katz

Oct 23 2004, 04:12 PM

Also in Ohio there are over 100,000 people with more than one voter registration.

Bee

Oct 23 2004, 04:12 PM

QUOTE (Repub_Bub @ Oct 23 2004, 10:44 AM)

I see that there has been no put up.......

Well Bob? It took me 15 minutes to prove the veracity of my post, now where are YOUR figures?

<crickets chirping>

Hellooooooo?

Bart Katz

Oct 23 2004, 04:13 PM

There are more registered voters now in Columbus, Ohio than there are people that are qualified to vote, according to the population of tha city.

Bee

Oct 23 2004, 04:13 PM

QUOTE (Bart Katz @ Oct 23 2004, 11:02 AM)

Democrats went to a home for retarded (brain damaged) people, told them all that Bush would take ther SSI, told them to all register dem and vote for Kerry, and they all did. Nice tactics dems.

I notice these silly allegations are always made sans source.

At least Democrats allegations of impropriety are actual events reported in actual Newspapers.

Bart Katz

Oct 23 2004, 04:15 PM

QUOTE (Bee @ Oct 23 2004, 11:10 AM)

I notice these silly allegations are always made sans source.

At least Democrats allegations of impropriety are actual events reported in actual Newspapers.

So are these. Check the Ohio newspapers.

Bart Katz

Oct 23 2004, 04:15 PM

WATCH STOLEN HONOR

WATCH FOR FREE THE FILM THAT DEMOCRATIC OPERATIVES HAVE DONE EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER TO KEEP YOU FROM SEEING!

http://johnkerrythenewsoldier.blogspot.com...ree-online.html

inyerface

Oct 23 2004, 04:16 PM

fill your empty head with cowpies!

inyerface

Oct 23 2004, 04:18 PM

bush has people arrested for wearing anti-bush shirts!

the opinion that the reps will do anything to keep you from having!

the most anti-American, pro fascist group EVER!!

Bee

Oct 23 2004, 04:21 PM

Sure, do watch "Stolen Honor" then rent this DVD for the truth.

http://www.goingupriver.com/

A few people offered to pay Sinclair to show this film so that they would be in compliance with the law, but Sinclair rfused. (And their stock took another dive.)

Bart Katz

Oct 23 2004, 04:24 PM

KERRY'S GLOBAL TEST

http://www.johnkerrysglobaltest.com/index.htm

Bee

Oct 23 2004, 04:25 PM

You know it's pretty bad when even Burger King refuses to advertise on your stations.

QUOTE

Burger King Bars Ads from TV Show Discussing Kerry
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Hamburger chain Burger King said on Wednesday that it would not run its commercials during a controversial program about U.S. presidential candidate John Kerry to be aired by Sinclair Broadcast Group .

Sinclair on Tuesday backed away from airing a documentary critical of Kerry's Vietnam War-era record, but said it would show portions of that film in a special program that discusses allegations he betrayed fellow veterans with his antiwar activities.

Burger King's move suggests advertisers may not be assured the new program's format averts political controversy. Democrats have branded plans to air the program as a blatant partisan attack less than two weeks before the Nov. 2 ballot.

Sinclair broadcasts in key states like Florida and Ohio whose voters could decide the close election race. Some of the company's top executives have been major contributors to President Bush and his fellow Republicans.

Burger King said in a statement that it "does not endorse any candidate or political party."
Sorry Sinclair, you can't have it YOUR way.

Bee

Oct 23 2004, 04:28 PM

QUOTE (Bart Katz @ Oct 23 2004, 11:12 AM)

So are these. Check the Ohio newspapers.

I haven't seen anything like that.

I've seen plenty of stories on GOP malfeasance.

Just saying they are there doesn't cut it.

Bart Katz

Oct 23 2004, 04:30 PM

I guess that's like your local paper's letters to the editor.

But then I'm getting some of this Ohio stuff from TV stations, and not newspapers so it probably doesn't have the same elements of truth or impact. LOL

Bart Katz

Oct 23 2004, 04:33 PM

Going to watch Stolen Honor now so I can actually discuss it. TTFN

Bee

Oct 23 2004, 04:34 PM

QUOTE (Bart Katz @ Oct 23 2004, 11:30 AM)

Going to watch Stolen Honor now so I can actually discuss it. TTFN

Good

I watched it a few days ago.

Pretty poor effort, actually.

Looking forward to dis-cussing it.

lil bart

Oct 23 2004, 04:42 PM

QUOTE (patheticJT @ Oct 22 2004, 11:25 PM)

Hey lil bart.........

Did you catch john oneill on scarborough country? Lawrence O Donnell showed his true colors as a rabid liberal, callling him every name possible. wouldnt let the siftie guy talk at all

even pat buchanan was getting pissed...frnak luntz told him to stop all the yelling
it was hilarious

Hi, JT. I am TV-less. Think I should hook up b4 the Big Day? I wouldn't call O'Donnell "rabid" but he is certainly a liberal, well-spoken, reasonable, goodlooking. What's not to like?

But for Luntz, that slime, sounds like a good show.

I've been a bit surprised to hear Breakaway Pat Buchanan sounding so close to the party line of late, but so is the hour, so the splinters move toward their centers I guess.

lil bart

Oct 23 2004, 04:43 PM

"Dis-cussing." Good one, Beebs. Me can borrow, yes? But keep your grubby mitts off my Brooklyn Bridge!

lil bart

Oct 23 2004, 04:44 PM

Growing up, I actually thought "grubby mitts" was the anatomical term for the appendages below the wrist. I don't recollect mumsie using another.

Bee

Oct 23 2004, 04:53 PM

QUOTE (lil bart @ Oct 23 2004, 11:40 AM)

"Dis-cussing." Good one, Beebs. Me can borrow, yes? But keep your grubby mitts off my Brooklyn Bridge!

LOL

Fair enough!

L8tr

Carol

Oct 23 2004, 05:18 PM

QUOTE (Bee @ Oct 23 2004, 01:37 AM)

Yes

Desert Fox was, by all accounts, a rousing success.

Too bad you Reps accused him of "wagging the dog."

Fact is, even Bush Senior had enough sense to stay out of Baghdad, and Clinton didn't sit and lie baldface to the American People about "aluminum tubes, now did he.

Trouble with folks like you is that you refuse to acknowledge that the Dems have been smarter and a heck of a lot more effective on terrorists then Bushie with all his swagger and bluster has been.

That's why Iran is backing Bushie for President.

Still feel "safer?" with two chickenhawks and a proven inept bunch of fark-ups running the war?

I think the Country deserves better. Way better. Starting with a man that wasn't afraid to serve his Country when called, not afraid to speak out against the ineptness of THAT illegal war.

I'm sure you Reps hate him because it besmeerched your hallowed Reagan and exposed his dirty deals with the Contras.

If it wasn't for that rather significant blotch on an rather unremarkable handling of epic events, you'd have nothing to worship that false idol with. Pretty wretched position all in all.

Klinton, the impeached liar, had no success at unseating Saddam & Sons. Saddam continued with his threats and diabolical politics. Klinton was so busy running from his lies that nothing here got resolved. Klinton and his Demos accomplished nothing.

You think Klinton was effective against terrorism...give me a break...Klinton was president when bin Laden declared war on America and Klinton did nothing effective in stopping the terrorism bin Laden continued to spread, which escalated into the catastrophic devastation of 911.

Klinton disgusts me and I have no respect for him. Don't lose any sleep about it.

I don't know what Kerry is or isn't afraid of. I do know he went to Vietnam and came home and slandered the American troops that were still over there...that's not honorable or brave.

inyerface

Oct 23 2004, 05:26 PM

killing thousands with bombs is honorable & brave?

lying us into an unneccessary war is is honorable & brave?

lying to the country & world during State of the Union is honorable & brave?

having powell present false evidence is honorable & brave?

bush is honorable & brave?

rummy (we know where the weapons are) is honorable & brave?

Bee

Oct 23 2004, 05:27 PM

QUOTE (Carol A @ Oct 23 2004, 12:15 PM)

Who is Klinton?

If you mean President Clinton, then I must point out that he prosecuted and jailed more known terrorists than Bluster Bush and incompetent Ashcroft have managed to do. If you want to count "successful prosecutions" as a measure of success. I will concede that Mr. Bush out blusters everyone on rhetoric about "fighting trrrism." It's a darn shame that his incompetent record doesn't match his rhetoric.

I'll take the successful un-boastful Clinton, over the inept boastful Bush anyday on the matter of terrorism.

As for Kerry, going and getting shot at earns you the right to come back and air your views.

This is Anmerica.

It certainly is a heck of a lot more honorable then dodging the war then having your "daddy" get you out of your sworn duty to the Country.

I hope you do lose some sleep over it. A lot of us do lose sleep over the inept leadership that has resulted in the death of 1,000 American soldiers. Do you consider the ones that come back demanding answers for why they were sent in the first place "dishonorable?"

You may feel better in a totalerarian environment, like Iran. They back Bush, too. They, however, have actual reasons why, unlike you.

SpaceCowboy

Oct 23 2004, 05:28 PM

QUOTE (Carol A @ Oct 23 2004, 12:15 PM)

Klinton disgusts me and I have no respect for him. Don't lose any sleep about it.

Kan Karol spell?

Bart Katz

Oct 23 2004, 05:30 PM

Carol

Oct 23 2004, 05:31 PM

QUOTE (Bee @ Oct 23 2004, 04:08 PM)

It's the same old silliness.

"Kerry still hasn't said how'd he pay for it."

Sure he has, only about a million times. Revoke the "tax cut" on the upper 10% which, BTW the Republicans haven't renewed, now have they? The truth is those folks don't need the tax cut and are busy investing it overseas, might as well use it here inside the country. Also plug up the loopholes in the tax code so that corporations like Halliburton can't shield their fat profits from Government contracts offshore anymore.

I suppose these concepts are just too darn "complex" for some.

Heritage is getting desperate if they have to resort to out and out lies and rely on the ignorance of peeps like CarolA. Thank Goodness folks like that are scarce.

Good marketing, though. To make a pair of "Chickenhawks" who between them have decimated the military and cut more than anyone look like "strong leaders."

I got a bridge in Brooklyn for CarolA

Oh sure, you silly goose (whatch out, Kerry's on the hunt) ...simply roooollllllinnnngggg back a tax cut on 10% of the people is not going to do it. Heritage House (which you want to lightly dismiss) and far more other experts have proven that Kerry's proposals come up short of the needed funds. Of course, you seem to think different, and that's okay; but, you're wrong. Someday you'll realize that simply calling respected sources "lies" doesn't work.

BTW, you're not posting any links to back up your allegations. You saying Kerry can pay for it, is laughable.

lil bart

Oct 23 2004, 05:31 PM

QUOTE (SpaceCowboy @ Oct 23 2004, 10:25 AM)

Kan Karol spell?

Kno.

Bart Katz

Oct 23 2004, 05:31 PM

QUOTE

I sent an absentee ballot to Wisconsin voting for Kerry.
Kerry is going to win the state of New York anyway, so there is no need for me to vote here.

Ohio and Florida is going to be key.

Have a great weekend.

Your Friend,

Donald

Bee

Oct 23 2004, 05:34 PM

Also, when Clinton was President we controlled more of Iraq then we do now. Don't you read the newspapers? Or do you let others do your thinking for you?

The sanctions worked, Clinton certainly was validated in this recent report. You haven't heard of the Duelfer Report? tsk tsk.

QUOTE

Iraq's Illicit Weapons Gone Since Early '90s, CIA Says

Thu Oct 7, 7:55 AM ET
Add to My Yahoo! Top Stories - Los Angeles Times

By Bob Drogin and Greg Miller Times Staff Writers

WASHINGTON — Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) did not produce or possess any weapons of mass destruction for more than a decade before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq (news - web sites) last year, according to a comprehensive CIA (news - web sites) report released Wednesday.

Hussein intended to someday reconstitute his illicit programs and rebuild at least some of his weapons if United Nations (news - web sites) sanctions were eased and he had the opportunity, the report concluded. But the Iraqi regime had no formal, written strategy to revive the banned programs after sanctions, and no staff or infrastructure in place to do so, the investigators found.

The report said that Hussein's illicit-weapons capability was "essentially destroyed" after the Persian Gulf War (news - web sites) in 1991 and was never rebuilt. It said Hussein considered the U.N. sanctions "an economic stranglehold" that in effect curbed his ability to build or develop weapons in the ensuing 12 years.

The only known attempts to produce illicit weapons came a year after the 2003 invasion, the report said in a new disclosure. In March of this year, investigators found that insurgents in Baghdad were trying to recruit former weapons scientists to develop nerve gases and ricin, a biological toxin, to attack U.S. forces. The discovery led to a series of raids.

The 1,000-page report by Charles A. Duelfer, head of the CIA's Iraq Survey Group weapons-hunting teams, is the most definitive account yet of Iraq's long-defunct weapons programs and comes as the presidential campaign increasingly is focused on President Bush (news - web sites)'s decision to go to war in Iraq primarily to disarm Hussein of suspected chemical, biological and nuclear weapons.

Article on Duefer Report

Art.

Oct 23 2004, 05:39 PM

QUOTE (Bee @ Oct 23 2004, 10:31 AM)

Also, when Clinton was President we controlled more of Iraq then we do now. Don't you read the newspapers? Or do you let others do your thinking for you?

You don't "control" anything by flying over once in a while. Maybe even shooting the occassional missile. If you could Clinton would not have made regime change government policy.

You know as much about military matters as you do about economics. Which is to say limited to what you can Google.

Bee

Oct 23 2004, 05:39 PM

QUOTE (Carol A @ Oct 23 2004, 12:28 PM)

Actually only 2%, and according to independnt experts, yes it would.

QUOTE

Asked whether this would amount to a governmentrun health system in the United States, John Sheils, a vice president of the Lewin Group, an independent consulting firm, said, “No, I don’t think so.” Mr. Sheils said that “97 percent of the people who have insurance now would have the same coverage.”

The Lewin Group specializes in health issues, and its finding that the Kerry plan would put more than 20 million new people under government health coverage was mentioned by Mr. Bush in last week’s presidential debate.

The vast majority of the 20 million would be children in low-income families. It would hardly be the largest expansion of government health insurance in history, much less than the introduction of Medicare and Medicaid in the 1960’s and involving fewer people than even Mr. Bush’s legislation enacted last year to offer prescription drug coverage under Medicare.

The Kerry plan would actually make health insurance less expensive for small businesses because they would be able to take a tax credit to offset 50 percent of the cost of offering employees coverage and because the catastrophic coverage would lower the payments for premiums.

The cost of the Kerry plan is a point of dispute. The Kerry campaign puts the cost at $653 billion over 10 years. Whatever the price tag, most if not all of it would be offset by Mr. Kerry’s proposal to repeal tax cuts for the 2 percent of taxpayers with incomes over $200,000.

fact check

Carol

Oct 23 2004, 05:41 PM

QUOTE (Bee @ Oct 23 2004, 06:24 PM)

And you ask me who Klinton is?

First of all, get with reality.

There is no President Clinton.

You can take Klinton and...well, use your imagination. He was incompetent in stopping bin Laden. He was incompetent in handling the situation in Iraq. And he's still incompetent (probably incontenent, too).

Kerry had a right to expose himself as the untrustworthy person he was and is. We can all take a good look at him.

Kerry can run but he can't hide.

Bee

Oct 23 2004, 05:43 PM

QUOTE (Carol A @ Oct 23 2004, 12:38 PM)

Reality?

QUOTE

Not a single terrorist has been prosecuted in the three years since officials gave the military the authority to detain foreign suspects indefinitely and prosecute them in tribunals not used since World War II.

Truth

Bart Katz

Oct 23 2004, 05:44 PM

QUOTE (Carol A @ Oct 23 2004, 12:38 PM)

TRUE WORDS !!

Carol

Oct 23 2004, 05:44 PM

QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Oct 23 2004, 06:36 PM)

You don't "control" anything by flying over once in a while. Maybe even shooting the occassional missile. If you could Clinton would not have made regime change government policy.
You know as much about military matters as you do about economics. Which is to say limited to what you can Google.

LOL!!!

She can google all day long and not say a thing.

Bart Katz

Oct 23 2004, 05:45 PM

QUOTE (Carol A @ Oct 23 2004, 12:41 PM)

LOL!!!

She can google all day long and not say a thing.

Our biggest mistake when we started posting on C-Span was telling the lefties about Google.

Art.

Oct 23 2004, 05:47 PM

Anybody get to see Castro fall? Mexican TV must have showed it about 20 times, including roars of laughter after each one. Even a bit of slo mo and a Castro impersonator in a sling afterwards.

Looks like Castro isn't the hero of the world's poor and downtrodden anymore.

Bart Katz

Oct 23 2004, 05:48 PM

Google, Google

Bee

Oct 23 2004, 05:48 PM

Reality is Clinton prosecuted more terrorists and kept the Country safe.

Bush has done niether, you could google all day and not get around those facts.

Hey AV, I know more about both those things then you apparently do.

All you can do is make fun of posters, but I see no fact to back up your ad hominems.

Oh well.

Bart Katz

Oct 23 2004, 05:49 PM

QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Oct 23 2004, 12:44 PM)

It's been on FOX several times. Broke a few bones I guess. No slomo though.

Bart Katz

Oct 23 2004, 05:50 PM

QUOTE (Bee @ Oct 23 2004, 12:45 PM)

All you can do is make fun of posters, but I see no fact to back up your ad hominems.

Oh well.

An irate New England lib is such an easy target. It's such fun to watch em get madder and madder and madder.

Art.

Oct 23 2004, 05:54 PM

QUOTE (Bee @ Oct 23 2004, 10:45 AM)

All you can do is make fun of posters, but I see no fact to back up your ad hominems.

Oh well.

Clinton put an old man in jail for trying to actually bring down the WTT. The 9-11 attacks were just lucky. I suppose FDR should have tried to arrest Hitler in your world.

Did those prosecutions stop terror? did they even slow it down?

As for Ad Hominens I've tried to be nice to you and it doesn't work. I've ignored some of your sarcastic personal attacks and CONSTANT eye rolling and mugging with smilies as well as your need to leave a last insult in every post. Now YOU whine about personal attacks?

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