QUOTE (lil bart @ Oct 25 2004, 11:30 PM)
News Today -- story from the local paper, hand-typed -- not available on line.
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No kidding.
Simba would have kincked his butt.
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Simba would have kincked his butt.
QUOTE (Bart Katz @ Oct 25 2004, 09:33 PM)
Simba would have kincked his butt.
No doubt.
I just caught the typo.
Simba would have kinked his tail.
Simba would have kinked his tail.
Owie owie owie!
kahuna yomama
QUOTE (Bee @ Oct 25 2004, 11:42 PM)
No, the government can't take it away, but your creditors sure can, and your local hospital, and your stockbroker.
Can any of these private interests take away social security? No. Can the government take away your social security? No.
Do you understand the purpose of social security CarolA?
It is not an IRA. It is not a pension. It is a social safety net that we all kick into to make sure that our elderly citizens don't have to sleep under bridges and get their meals by picking through garbage dumps the way they did before there was Social Security.
Don't believe me? There's plenty of pictures of it at the Library of Congress.
What does the Heritage Foundation think Social Security is? They seem to have a strange idea that it is somehow money you get back from the government. It is not. It never was.
The way to fix Social Security is to remove the income cap on contributions, and means test the recipients. Then it will be around forever.
Simple.
Can any of these private interests take away social security? No. Can the government take away your social security? No.
Do you understand the purpose of social security CarolA?
It is not an IRA. It is not a pension. It is a social safety net that we all kick into to make sure that our elderly citizens don't have to sleep under bridges and get their meals by picking through garbage dumps the way they did before there was Social Security.
Don't believe me? There's plenty of pictures of it at the Library of Congress.
What does the Heritage Foundation think Social Security is? They seem to have a strange idea that it is somehow money you get back from the government. It is not. It never was.
The way to fix Social Security is to remove the income cap on contributions, and means test the recipients. Then it will be around forever.
Simple.
That's simple all right ~~~
What do you think Social Security is? Something legal that steals money from workers and gives little of it back? Hey, I think you have something there...
QUOTE (Carol A @ Oct 26 2004, 05:58 AM)
That's simple all right ~~~
What do you think Social Security is? Something legal that steals money from workers and gives little of it back? Hey, I think you have something there...
What do you think Social Security is? Something legal that steals money from workers and gives little of it back? Hey, I think you have something there...
Thanks.
For a moment I had thought you were serious about discussing Social Security.
QUOTE (Carol A @ Oct 26 2004, 03:58 AM)
That's simple all right ~~~
What do you think Social Security is? Something legal that steals money from workers and gives little of it back? Hey, I think you have something there...
What do you think Social Security is? Something legal that steals money from workers and gives little of it back? Hey, I think you have something there...
"Steals money"? Are you now part of the radical anarcho-capitalist camp that views any taxation as theft?
QUOTE
The poll of 1,206 likely voters was taken Saturday through Monday and has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.9 percentage points. The rolling poll will continue through Nov. 1 -- the day before the election.
QUOTE
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush (news - web sites) holds a slim three-point lead over Democratic rival John Kerry (news - web sites) one week before the Nov. 2 presidential election, according to a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Tuesday. Bush led Kerry 49-46 percent in the latest three-day national tracking poll, maintaining a stable lead on the Massachusetts senator as the White House rivals head down the stretch. Bush led Kerry 48-45 percent the day before. With the campaign winding down, the poll added voters leaning toward either Bush or Kerry into their totals for the first time. That left only about 3 percent of likely voters undecided.
Reuters Poll: Bush Keeps Three-Point Lead on Kerry
QUOTE
WASHINGTON - One of the largest and most liberal labor unions in the country is the biggest contributor to the Republican Governors Association for the coming election, even topping heavyweight GOP donors such as the National Rifle Association.
Service Workers Tops Donors to GOP Govs.
QUOTE (Nomarchy @ Oct 26 2004, 08:25 AM)
"Steals money"? Are you now part of the radical anarcho-capitalist camp that views any taxation as theft?
Thanks.
I thought I would be labeled as a Neocon, but it is apparent, I am a radical anarcho-capitalist.
RAC.............
Morning SPANNERs!
And just EXACTLY how is Bushie going to cover loss in funds to Social Security of $2 trillion in the next 10 years? Use the budget surplus? ROFL - already burned thru that and added $400 billion to the budget deficit.
How's he plan to pay for it?
FJ,
'Yes. Republican code for "no more safety nets, you sink or swim on your own, and will have only such economic security as you can provide for yourself." Which of course, in the case of the lower 40% just barely getting by is nearly none.'
Just so.
'How stupid do they think we are?'
Very. And the polls seem to confirm nearly 50% are.
Space,
'Thanks. For a moment I had thought you were serious about discussing Social Security.'
QUOTE (Carol A @ Oct 25 2004, 05:31 PM)
Bush offers a solution that fits naturally into his proposed "ownership society." "We must strengthen Social Security," Bush said, "by allowing younger workers to save some of their taxes in a personal account - a nest egg you can call your own, and government can never take away."
And just EXACTLY how is Bushie going to cover loss in funds to Social Security of $2 trillion in the next 10 years? Use the budget surplus? ROFL - already burned thru that and added $400 billion to the budget deficit.
How's he plan to pay for it?
FJ,
'Yes. Republican code for "no more safety nets, you sink or swim on your own, and will have only such economic security as you can provide for yourself." Which of course, in the case of the lower 40% just barely getting by is nearly none.'
Just so.
'How stupid do they think we are?'
Very. And the polls seem to confirm nearly 50% are.
Space,
'Thanks. For a moment I had thought you were serious about discussing Social Security.'
QUOTE (Carol A @ Oct 26 2004, 05:58 AM)
That's simple all right ~~~
What do you think Social Security is? Something legal that steals money from workers and gives little of it back? Hey, I think you have something there...
What do you think Social Security is? Something legal that steals money from workers and gives little of it back? Hey, I think you have something there...
I explained what it is. It is a safety net to make sure our elderly citizens can spend their final years without having to worry about abject poverty.
Why is it that the people most able to afford the little bit it takes to ensue this small nod to the debt the younger generation owes the older one are so stingy and selfish? those that pay the least and reap the most from social security ARE the rich, yet they want to take this tiny bit of humanity away.
Thank goodness they are only 2% of the population. If they manage this deception, it will be a very sad day in America.
QUOTE (SpaceCowboy @ Oct 26 2004, 08:00 AM)
Just saw the wolves ad this AM.
They are desperate.
QUOTE (Carol A @ Oct 25 2004, 03:31 PM)
Everyone? Kerry doesn't believe in giving the baby a choice. And don't give me that "fetus" bullcaca -- no pregnant woman walks around saying she's having a fetus -- there's a baby in there.
You're so big on choices -- then why are you against someone wanting to invest their Social Security money? I'll admit to you that I wouldn't do it, and wouldn't endorse it for anyone who couldn't afford to lose their social security check, but for those who can afford to take an informed risk, they should be able to do so. Kerry's do nothing but raise taxes platform won't make for a healthier economy or a healthier Social Security system for the future.
You're so big on choices -- then why are you against someone wanting to invest their Social Security money? I'll admit to you that I wouldn't do it, and wouldn't endorse it for anyone who couldn't afford to lose their social security check, but for those who can afford to take an informed risk, they should be able to do so. Kerry's do nothing but raise taxes platform won't make for a healthier economy or a healthier Social Security system for the future.
carol, i never said that i am against it, i just said that what georgy is proposing will cost us over $1 trillion and he doesn't even know how he is going to pay it off, so do not criticize kerry for being pricy with our budget when mr. can-do-no-wrong can't do our fiscal policy right!
Drunken Bees Create Buzz on Drunken Humans
Tipsy Bees Offer New Clues on the Effects of Alcohol in Humans
Tipsy Bees Offer New Clues on the Effects of Alcohol in Humans
QUOTE
Oct. 25, 2004 -- Drunken worker bees may not produce much honey, but
their behavior under the influence may help researchers understand the
effects of alcohol in humans, according to new research.
Researchers found alcohol affects bees and humans in similar ways by
impairing their movement and stalling their learning and memory
processing, and these effects intensify according to how much alcohol
they imbibe and the time since ingestion.
The study showed that honey bees that were fed the human equivalent of
200-proof grain alcohol spent most of the next 40 minutes on their
backs, unable to stand. But bees who drank the human equivalent of wine
spent the least amount of time of their backs, and the effects of the
alcohol took about 20 minutes to sink in.
The researchers presented their findings this week at the annual Society
for Neuroscience conference in San Diego.
"On the molecular level, the brains of honey bees and humans work the
same," says researcher Julie Mustard, a postdoctoral researcher in
entomology at Ohio State University, in a news release. "Knowing how
chronic alcohol use affects genes and proteins in the honey bee brain
may help us eventually understand how alcoholism affects memory and
behavior in humans, as well as the molecular basis of addiction."
*Alcohol's Effect on Bees and Humans*
In the study, researchers fed worker honey bees solutions of sugar and
alcohol (ethanol) with alcohol concentrations ranging from 10% to 100%.
The 10% solution was equivalent to drinking wine and the 100% solution
was equivalent to drinking grain alcohol.
The bees were then observed for 40 minutes, and researchers measured the
amount of time they spent walking, stopped, grooming, flying, and upside
down to determine the effect of alcohol.
The study showed that drinking alcohol significantly decreased the
amount of time spent walking, grooming, or flying, and increased the
amount of time the bees spent upside down.
"These bees had lost postural control," says Mustard. "They couldn't
coordinate their legs well enough to flip themselves back over again."
Researchers found the likelihood that the bees exhibited change in their
behavior increased along with the potency of the alcoholic beverage they
drank.
"Honey bees are very social animals, which makes them a great model for
studying the effects of alcohol in a social context," says researcher
Geraldine Wright, also a postdoctoral researcher in entomology at Ohio
State University, in the release.
"Many people get aggressive when they drink too much," says Wright. "We
want to learn if ethanol consumption makes the normally calm, friendly
honey bee more aggressive. We may be able to examine how ethanol affects
the neural basis of aggression in this insect, and in turn learn how it
affects humans."
SOURCES: Maze, I. "Influence of Ethanol on Locomotion and Behavior in
the Honey Bee," presented at the annual meeting of the Society for
Neuroscience, San Diego, Oct. 23-27. News release, Ohio State University.
their behavior under the influence may help researchers understand the
effects of alcohol in humans, according to new research.
Researchers found alcohol affects bees and humans in similar ways by
impairing their movement and stalling their learning and memory
processing, and these effects intensify according to how much alcohol
they imbibe and the time since ingestion.
The study showed that honey bees that were fed the human equivalent of
200-proof grain alcohol spent most of the next 40 minutes on their
backs, unable to stand. But bees who drank the human equivalent of wine
spent the least amount of time of their backs, and the effects of the
alcohol took about 20 minutes to sink in.
The researchers presented their findings this week at the annual Society
for Neuroscience conference in San Diego.
"On the molecular level, the brains of honey bees and humans work the
same," says researcher Julie Mustard, a postdoctoral researcher in
entomology at Ohio State University, in a news release. "Knowing how
chronic alcohol use affects genes and proteins in the honey bee brain
may help us eventually understand how alcoholism affects memory and
behavior in humans, as well as the molecular basis of addiction."
*Alcohol's Effect on Bees and Humans*
In the study, researchers fed worker honey bees solutions of sugar and
alcohol (ethanol) with alcohol concentrations ranging from 10% to 100%.
The 10% solution was equivalent to drinking wine and the 100% solution
was equivalent to drinking grain alcohol.
The bees were then observed for 40 minutes, and researchers measured the
amount of time they spent walking, stopped, grooming, flying, and upside
down to determine the effect of alcohol.
The study showed that drinking alcohol significantly decreased the
amount of time spent walking, grooming, or flying, and increased the
amount of time the bees spent upside down.
"These bees had lost postural control," says Mustard. "They couldn't
coordinate their legs well enough to flip themselves back over again."
Researchers found the likelihood that the bees exhibited change in their
behavior increased along with the potency of the alcoholic beverage they
drank.
"Honey bees are very social animals, which makes them a great model for
studying the effects of alcohol in a social context," says researcher
Geraldine Wright, also a postdoctoral researcher in entomology at Ohio
State University, in the release.
"Many people get aggressive when they drink too much," says Wright. "We
want to learn if ethanol consumption makes the normally calm, friendly
honey bee more aggressive. We may be able to examine how ethanol affects
the neural basis of aggression in this insect, and in turn learn how it
affects humans."
SOURCES: Maze, I. "Influence of Ethanol on Locomotion and Behavior in
the Honey Bee," presented at the annual meeting of the Society for
Neuroscience, San Diego, Oct. 23-27. News release, Ohio State University.
QUOTE (Bart Katz @ Oct 26 2004, 09:08 AM)
Drunken Bees Create Buzz on Drunken Humans
Tipsy Bees Offer New Clues on the Effects of Alcohol in Humans
Tipsy Bees Offer New Clues on the Effects of Alcohol in Humans
i wonder if bees could get in trouble for drinking.
hah, a DUFly
Media collusion and electioneering
XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX TUE OCT 26 2004 11:02:38 ET XXXXX
60 MINS PLANNED BUSH MISSING EXPLOSIVES STORY FOR ELECTION EVE
News of missing explosives in Iraq -- first reported in April 2003 -- was being resurrected for a 60 MINUTES election eve broadcast designed to knock the Bush administration into a crises mode.
Jeff Fager, executive producer of the Sunday edition of 60 MINUTES, said in a statement that "our plan was to run the story on October 31, but it became clear that it wouldn't hold..."
Elizabeth Jensen at the LOS ANGELES TIMES details on Tuesday how CBS NEWS and 60 MINUTES lost the story [which repackaged previously reported information on a large cache of explosives missing in Iraq, first published and broadcast in 2003].
The story instead debuted in the NYT. The paper slugged the story about missing explosives from April 2003 as "exclusive."
An NBCNEWS crew embedded with troops moved in to secure the Al-Qaqaa weapons facility on April 10, 2003, one day after the liberation of Iraq.
According to NBCNEWS, the explosives were already missing when the American troops arrived.
It is not clear who exactly shopped an election eve repackaging of the missing explosives story.
The LA TIMES claims: The source on the story first went to 60 MINUTES but also expressed interest in working with the NY TIMES... "The tip was received last Wednesday."
CBSNEWS' plan to unleash the story just 24 hours before election day had one senior Bush official outraged.
"Darn, I wanted to see the forged documents to show how this was somehow covered up," the Bush source, who asked not to be named, mocked, recalling last months CBS airing of fraudulent Bush national guard letters.
Here is Under's last minute DUI story
XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX TUE OCT 26 2004 11:02:38 ET XXXXX
60 MINS PLANNED BUSH MISSING EXPLOSIVES STORY FOR ELECTION EVE
News of missing explosives in Iraq -- first reported in April 2003 -- was being resurrected for a 60 MINUTES election eve broadcast designed to knock the Bush administration into a crises mode.
Jeff Fager, executive producer of the Sunday edition of 60 MINUTES, said in a statement that "our plan was to run the story on October 31, but it became clear that it wouldn't hold..."
Elizabeth Jensen at the LOS ANGELES TIMES details on Tuesday how CBS NEWS and 60 MINUTES lost the story [which repackaged previously reported information on a large cache of explosives missing in Iraq, first published and broadcast in 2003].
The story instead debuted in the NYT. The paper slugged the story about missing explosives from April 2003 as "exclusive."
An NBCNEWS crew embedded with troops moved in to secure the Al-Qaqaa weapons facility on April 10, 2003, one day after the liberation of Iraq.
According to NBCNEWS, the explosives were already missing when the American troops arrived.
It is not clear who exactly shopped an election eve repackaging of the missing explosives story.
The LA TIMES claims: The source on the story first went to 60 MINUTES but also expressed interest in working with the NY TIMES... "The tip was received last Wednesday."
CBSNEWS' plan to unleash the story just 24 hours before election day had one senior Bush official outraged.
"Darn, I wanted to see the forged documents to show how this was somehow covered up," the Bush source, who asked not to be named, mocked, recalling last months CBS airing of fraudulent Bush national guard letters.
Here is Under's last minute DUI story
Oh, woe is the reich.
They do not yet control all media.
They do not yet control all media.
I'm sure all of that tonnage of explosives has been spirited back to the U.S. and given to reich wing terrorists like the anthrax assassin.
An NBCNEWS crew embedded with troops moved in to secure the Al-Qaqaa weapons facility on April 10, 2003, one day after the liberation of Iraq.According to NBCNEWS, the explosives were already missing when the American troops arrived.
QUOTE (Mizilus @ Oct 26 2004, 09:33 AM)
I'm sure all of that tonnage of explosives has been spirited back to the U.S. and given to reich wing terrorists like the anthrax assassin.
Maybe it's parked outside of the NYT already.
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Oct 26 2004, 12:31 PM)
Media collusion and electioneering
XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX TUE OCT 26 2004 11:02:38 ET XXXXX
60 MINS PLANNED BUSH MISSING EXPLOSIVES STORY FOR ELECTION EVE
News of missing explosives in Iraq -- first reported in April 2003 -- was being resurrected for a 60 MINUTES election eve broadcast designed to knock the Bush administration into a crises mode.
Jeff Fager, executive producer of the Sunday edition of 60 MINUTES, said in a statement that "our plan was to run the story on October 31, but it became clear that it wouldn't hold..."
Elizabeth Jensen at the LOS ANGELES TIMES details on Tuesday how CBS NEWS and 60 MINUTES lost the story [which repackaged previously reported information on a large cache of explosives missing in Iraq, first published and broadcast in 2003].
The story instead debuted in the NYT. The paper slugged the story about missing explosives from April 2003 as "exclusive."
An NBCNEWS crew embedded with troops moved in to secure the Al-Qaqaa weapons facility on April 10, 2003, one day after the liberation of Iraq.
According to NBCNEWS, the explosives were already missing when the American troops arrived.
It is not clear who exactly shopped an election eve repackaging of the missing explosives story.
The LA TIMES claims: The source on the story first went to 60 MINUTES but also expressed interest in working with the NY TIMES... "The tip was received last Wednesday."
CBSNEWS' plan to unleash the story just 24 hours before election day had one senior Bush official outraged.
"Darn, I wanted to see the forged documents to show how this was somehow covered up," the Bush source, who asked not to be named, mocked, recalling last months CBS airing of fraudulent Bush national guard letters.
Here is Under's last minute DUI story
XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX TUE OCT 26 2004 11:02:38 ET XXXXX
60 MINS PLANNED BUSH MISSING EXPLOSIVES STORY FOR ELECTION EVE
News of missing explosives in Iraq -- first reported in April 2003 -- was being resurrected for a 60 MINUTES election eve broadcast designed to knock the Bush administration into a crises mode.
Jeff Fager, executive producer of the Sunday edition of 60 MINUTES, said in a statement that "our plan was to run the story on October 31, but it became clear that it wouldn't hold..."
Elizabeth Jensen at the LOS ANGELES TIMES details on Tuesday how CBS NEWS and 60 MINUTES lost the story [which repackaged previously reported information on a large cache of explosives missing in Iraq, first published and broadcast in 2003].
The story instead debuted in the NYT. The paper slugged the story about missing explosives from April 2003 as "exclusive."
An NBCNEWS crew embedded with troops moved in to secure the Al-Qaqaa weapons facility on April 10, 2003, one day after the liberation of Iraq.
According to NBCNEWS, the explosives were already missing when the American troops arrived.
It is not clear who exactly shopped an election eve repackaging of the missing explosives story.
The LA TIMES claims: The source on the story first went to 60 MINUTES but also expressed interest in working with the NY TIMES... "The tip was received last Wednesday."
CBSNEWS' plan to unleash the story just 24 hours before election day had one senior Bush official outraged.
"Darn, I wanted to see the forged documents to show how this was somehow covered up," the Bush source, who asked not to be named, mocked, recalling last months CBS airing of fraudulent Bush national guard letters.
Here is Under's last minute DUI story
Yeah, I knew this story smelled like McAuliffe poopoo.
I'm not surpised the New York Times is working closely with the Big Wad Kerry campaign to influence the election.
Thankfully, the New York Times will continue to look like the rag it is a la Dannie Rather.
So much for objective reporting.
QUOTE (underhi2p @ Oct 26 2004, 09:39 AM)
Yeah, I knew this story smelled like McAuliffe poopoo.
I'm not surpised the New York Times is working closely with the Big Wad Kerry campaign to influence the election.
Thankfully, the New York Times will continue to look like the rag it is a la Dannie Rather.
So much for objective reporting.
I'm not surpised the New York Times is working closely with the Big Wad Kerry campaign to influence the election.
Thankfully, the New York Times will continue to look like the rag it is a la Dannie Rather.
So much for objective reporting.
They were hoping to launch it on Sunday so there'd be no time to respond. The NYT, CBS and the Dems working together.
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Oct 26 2004, 12:45 PM)
They were hoping to launch it on Sunday so there'd be no time to respond. The NYT, CBS and the Dems working together.
They just come out looking and smelling like the assholes they are.
Taiwan's Rowdy Lawmakers Stage Food Fight
QUOTE
TAIPEI, Taiwan - They've fought with fists. They've thrown paper at each other. And on Tuesday, Taiwan's rowdy lawmakers had an old-fashioned food fight.
Legislators began chucking white cardboard takeout lunch boxes full of rice, meat, hard-boiled eggs and vegetables at each other during a heated debate over whether Taiwan should spend billions on weapons sold by the United States.
It was difficult to figure out who started the battle. Local TV showed the legislators yelling at each other as they sat at long tables in a committee room during a lunch meeting.
Opposition lawmaker Chu Fong-chi stood up and began shouting at ruling party lawmakers when she appeared to duck to avoid being hit by an object. She picked up a lunch box and flung it across the room at legislator Chen Chong-yi of the ruling Democratic Progressive Party.
Chen grabbed a lunch box and tossed it back at Chu, who had what appeared to be food stains down the back of her blouse. "My whole body smells like a lunch box!" she shrieked to TV cameras covering the melee.
The food fight, which lasted just minutes, left tabletops, chairs and the floor littered with rice and chunks of hard-boiled eggs.
Fisticuffs were common in the legislature during the late 1980s and early '90s in the newly democratic Taiwan. But in recent years, lawmakers have become less violent, although tempers flare almost daily. Yelling, insults and other uncivil behavior is part of the political culture.
Legislators began chucking white cardboard takeout lunch boxes full of rice, meat, hard-boiled eggs and vegetables at each other during a heated debate over whether Taiwan should spend billions on weapons sold by the United States.
It was difficult to figure out who started the battle. Local TV showed the legislators yelling at each other as they sat at long tables in a committee room during a lunch meeting.
Opposition lawmaker Chu Fong-chi stood up and began shouting at ruling party lawmakers when she appeared to duck to avoid being hit by an object. She picked up a lunch box and flung it across the room at legislator Chen Chong-yi of the ruling Democratic Progressive Party.
Chen grabbed a lunch box and tossed it back at Chu, who had what appeared to be food stains down the back of her blouse. "My whole body smells like a lunch box!" she shrieked to TV cameras covering the melee.
The food fight, which lasted just minutes, left tabletops, chairs and the floor littered with rice and chunks of hard-boiled eggs.
Fisticuffs were common in the legislature during the late 1980s and early '90s in the newly democratic Taiwan. But in recent years, lawmakers have become less violent, although tempers flare almost daily. Yelling, insults and other uncivil behavior is part of the political culture.
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Oct 26 2004, 11:31 AM)
Media collusion and electioneering
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Heh, vast left-wing conspiracy.
Is Allawi part of it?:
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/international/AP-Iraq.html
"BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- Iraq's interim prime minister blamed U.S.-led coalition forces Tuesday for ``great negligence'' in the ambush that killed about 50 American-trained soldiers, and a U.S. airstrike in Fallujah killed an aide to Jordanian terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the military said.
An Iraqi insurgent group, meanwhile, said on a Web site it had taken 11 Iraqi National Guard soldiers hostage....
Interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi blamed the coalition for poor security in Saturday's ambush about 95 miles east of Baghdad.
``It was a heinous crime where a group of National Guards were targeted,'' Allawi said. ``There was great negligence on the part of some coalition forces. It seems there was sort of determination on doing Iraq and Iraqi people harm.''..."
QUOTE (hunin @ Oct 26 2004, 10:00 AM)
Heh, vast left-wing conspiracy.
Pretty much. If they were better at it Kerry would be getting even more support. CBS getting caught again isn't likely to raise questions anywhere except Fox.
CNN is showing george bush with a 4% lead over kerry in a poll conducted between oct. 22-24. WTF??!!!
wake up america! look at the facts and don't vote back in the worst president in the past 100+ years!
wake up america! look at the facts and don't vote back in the worst president in the past 100+ years!
QUOTE (SpaceCowboy @ Oct 26 2004, 01:19 PM)
Thanks.
For a moment I had thought you were serious about discussing Social Security.
For a moment I had thought you were serious about discussing Social Security.
You think "taking off the income caps" and "means test the recipients" is a serious solution? I don't believe in what she's advocating. You know the wealthy people pay more income taxes than anyone, and to advocate forcing them to pay far beyond a reasonable amount into Social Security, when you know they'll never get even a fraction of it back, is outrageously discriminatory. They've worked all their lives for their money too.
Yes, we have to take care of those that can't take care of themselves. The money in that fund has to be distributed to those in need, and we, who have paid into it, should be able to receive, at the very least, what we get now (which by the way, is not enough).
Social Security is in dire need of reform because, IMO, it is highly mismanaged and has been for a long time -- probably always will be -- but, I do think President Bush's plan is the better one.
QUOTE (Carol A @ Oct 26 2004, 10:40 AM)
You think "taking off the income caps" and "means test the recipients" is a serious solution? I don't believe in what she's advocating. You know the wealthy people pay more income taxes than anyone, and to advocate forcing them to pay far beyond a reasonable amount into Social Security, when you know they'll never get even a fraction of it back, is outrageously discriminatory. They've worked all their lives for their money too.
Yes, we have to take care of those that can't take care of themselves. The money in that fund has to be distributed to those in need, and we, who have paid into it, should be able to receive, at the very least, what we get now (which by the way, is not enough).
Social Security is in dire need of reform because, IMO, it is highly mismanaged and has been for a long time -- probably always will be -- but, I do think President Bush's plan is the better one.
Yes, we have to take care of those that can't take care of themselves. The money in that fund has to be distributed to those in need, and we, who have paid into it, should be able to receive, at the very least, what we get now (which by the way, is not enough).
Social Security is in dire need of reform because, IMO, it is highly mismanaged and has been for a long time -- probably always will be -- but, I do think President Bush's plan is the better one.
How is alfie neumann's plan better?
cost: $1,000,000,000.00
plan to cover cost: none!
why don't you take that pro bush ideal and vote on bush's i.q.? i know which one you'd put him under, you unrealistic, anti-factual republican-supporting fool.
QUOTE (smerf @ Oct 26 2004, 04:05 PM)
carol, i never said that i am against it, i just said that what georgy is proposing will cost us over $1 trillion and he doesn't even know how he is going to pay it off, so do not criticize kerry for being pricy with our budget when mr. can-do-no-wrong can't do our fiscal policy right!
The cost of doing nothing is going to be higher...and what will we do then?
http://www.heritage.org/Research/SocialSecurity/bg1802.cfm
Myth #1: We cannot afford to reform Social Security. Establishing a PRA system would cost between $1 trillion and $2 trillion—far more than just continuing the current system.
This myth argues that the “transition costs” for establishing a PRA system would be huge and that the money that would go into those accounts would be unavailable to pay benefits to current retirees. PRA opponents say that the surpluses in the current system are used to build the Old-Age and Survivors Insurance (OASI) trust fund[1] and that, if this money were instead placed in PRAs, the trust fund would run out of money sooner.
Fact: In the long run, establishing PRAs would cost about $20 trillion less than funding the current Social Security system.
Ignoring the costs of the current system is disingenuous. Under any circumstances, keeping Social Security solvent will require a great deal more money than it is currently receiving. This additional money is necessary to reduce the difference between what Social Security will owe and what it will be able to pay.
Although the exact amount that will be needed to establish a PRA system in the first 10 years will depend upon the specific plan that is adopted, the Social Security Administration estimates that the amount needed will be closer to $500 billion than the $1 trillion or $2 trillion figures that are often cited. If Congress retains the current system, Social Security will need almost $27 trillion (in inflation-adjusted 2004 dollars) in additional funding over the next 75 years. If Congress acts quickly to establish PRAs, these costs could be as low as $7 trillion to $8 trillion—about one-third of the cost of doing nothing. A PRA system could save our children and grandchildren up to $20 trillion. This is literally a case where spending billions will save trillions.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/SocialSecurity/wm573.cfm
http://www.heritage.org/Research/SocialSecurity/CDA04-06.cfm
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Oct 26 2004, 05:33 PM)
An NBCNEWS crew embedded with troops moved in to secure the Al-Qaqaa weapons facility on April 10, 2003, one day after the liberation of Iraq.According to NBCNEWS, the explosives were already missing when the American troops arrived.
Demos won't get any tread off of that one.
Kerry sounds pretty silly going on and on about it ~~~
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Oct 26 2004, 11:33 AM)
An NBCNEWS crew embedded with troops moved in to secure the Al-Qaqaa weapons facility on April 10, 2003, one day after the liberation of Iraq.According to NBCNEWS, the explosives were already missing when the American troops arrived.
ROFLMAO
QUOTE
You guys are awfully gullible. Did it strike you guys as odd that MSNBC doesn't even appear to have picked up this "report"?
Setting aside the matter of whether a detachment from the 101st Airborne and an NBC news crew would have been able to make that determination, they weren't the first US troops there.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/200...readiness01.htm
The first American troops on the scene (from the 3rd Infantry Division) came a week earlier, on April 4th and they found lots of explosives -- though what kind is unclear from contemporary wire service reports -- in a series of spot checks of the 87 buildings and bunkers at the al Qaqaa complex.
-- Josh Marshall
Setting aside the matter of whether a detachment from the 101st Airborne and an NBC news crew would have been able to make that determination, they weren't the first US troops there.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/200...readiness01.htm
The first American troops on the scene (from the 3rd Infantry Division) came a week earlier, on April 4th and they found lots of explosives -- though what kind is unclear from contemporary wire service reports -- in a series of spot checks of the 87 buildings and bunkers at the al Qaqaa complex.
-- Josh Marshall
QUOTE (Carol A @ Oct 26 2004, 11:00 AM)
Demos won't get any tread off of that one.
Kerry sounds pretty silly going on and on about it ~~~
Kerry sounds pretty silly going on and on about it ~~~
The problem is they are playing to a few people that don't pay attention, rarely vote and don't get their news from a varied array of sources. Listening to the newsbreaks from the major media you'd get the idea the site was looted in the last few days and that nobody knew until yesterday.
People who get their news solely from the networks will not see this debunked.
QUOTE (smerf @ Oct 26 2004, 06:44 PM)
How is alfie neumann's plan better?
cost: $1,000,000,000.00
plan to cover cost: none!
why don't you take that pro bush ideal and vote on bush's i.q.? i know which one you'd put him under, you unrealistic, anti-factual republican-supporting fool.
cost: $1,000,000,000.00
plan to cover cost: none!
why don't you take that pro bush ideal and vote on bush's i.q.? i know which one you'd put him under, you unrealistic, anti-factual republican-supporting fool.
oooh, what happened? Did you get bit by a wolf?
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Oct 26 2004, 07:03 PM)
The problem is they are playing to a few people that don't pay attention, rarely vote and don't get their news from a varied array of sources. Listening to the newsbreaks from the major media you'd get the idea the site was looted in the last few days and that nobody knew until yesterday.
People who get their news solely from the networks will not see this debunked.
People who get their news solely from the networks will not see this debunked.
I think they will. I've seen it on different stations. I knew about it before you wrote anything.
QUOTE (Carol A @ Oct 26 2004, 10:57 AM)
The cost of doing nothing is going to be higher...and what will we do then?
http://www.heritage.org/Research/SocialSecurity/bg1802.cfm
Myth #1: We cannot afford to reform Social Security. Establishing a PRA system would cost between $1 trillion and $2 trillion—far more than just continuing the current system.
This myth argues that the “transition costs” for establishing a PRA system would be huge and that the money that would go into those accounts would be unavailable to pay benefits to current retirees. PRA opponents say that the surpluses in the current system are used to build the Old-Age and Survivors Insurance (OASI) trust fund[1] and that, if this money were instead placed in PRAs, the trust fund would run out of money sooner.
Fact: In the long run, establishing PRAs would cost about $20 trillion less than funding the current Social Security system.
Ignoring the costs of the current system is disingenuous. Under any circumstances, keeping Social Security solvent will require a great deal more money than it is currently receiving. This additional money is necessary to reduce the difference between what Social Security will owe and what it will be able to pay.
Although the exact amount that will be needed to establish a PRA system in the first 10 years will depend upon the specific plan that is adopted, the Social Security Administration estimates that the amount needed will be closer to $500 billion than the $1 trillion or $2 trillion figures that are often cited. If Congress retains the current system, Social Security will need almost $27 trillion (in inflation-adjusted 2004 dollars) in additional funding over the next 75 years. If Congress acts quickly to establish PRAs, these costs could be as low as $7 trillion to $8 trillion—about one-third of the cost of doing nothing. A PRA system could save our children and grandchildren up to $20 trillion. This is literally a case where spending billions will save trillions.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/SocialSecurity/wm573.cfm
http://www.heritage.org/Research/SocialSecurity/CDA04-06.cfm
http://www.heritage.org/Research/SocialSecurity/bg1802.cfm
Myth #1: We cannot afford to reform Social Security. Establishing a PRA system would cost between $1 trillion and $2 trillion—far more than just continuing the current system.
This myth argues that the “transition costs” for establishing a PRA system would be huge and that the money that would go into those accounts would be unavailable to pay benefits to current retirees. PRA opponents say that the surpluses in the current system are used to build the Old-Age and Survivors Insurance (OASI) trust fund[1] and that, if this money were instead placed in PRAs, the trust fund would run out of money sooner.
Fact: In the long run, establishing PRAs would cost about $20 trillion less than funding the current Social Security system.
Ignoring the costs of the current system is disingenuous. Under any circumstances, keeping Social Security solvent will require a great deal more money than it is currently receiving. This additional money is necessary to reduce the difference between what Social Security will owe and what it will be able to pay.
Although the exact amount that will be needed to establish a PRA system in the first 10 years will depend upon the specific plan that is adopted, the Social Security Administration estimates that the amount needed will be closer to $500 billion than the $1 trillion or $2 trillion figures that are often cited. If Congress retains the current system, Social Security will need almost $27 trillion (in inflation-adjusted 2004 dollars) in additional funding over the next 75 years. If Congress acts quickly to establish PRAs, these costs could be as low as $7 trillion to $8 trillion—about one-third of the cost of doing nothing. A PRA system could save our children and grandchildren up to $20 trillion. This is literally a case where spending billions will save trillions.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/SocialSecurity/wm573.cfm
http://www.heritage.org/Research/SocialSecurity/CDA04-06.cfm
there are other ways of saving social security than privatizing a portion of it. look, i am an investor, i work with people's money. you don't seem to grasp the fact that when people have extra money in their pockets, they don't invest, they spend! that's why social security is there. hence the word security. it is your opinion that it will save the government money in the "long run", but they haven't brought forth any other relevant ideas to solve the problem other than taking money out of the government and ballooning our fiscal umbrella.
if you can invest your money responsibly, i'll be quite surprised, but happy for you. you have no idea how many people plan to invest and just wind up spending the money. or worse yet, they do invest but wind up taking the money out for emergencies or a new car or crap they don't need and they get slammed with charges and fees and they didn't let the money compound itself.
people don't use the proper investment vehicles anyways. the bank is not the answer, growth equity mutual funds are. most people don't know that, and if they do, they would need a substantial amount of money at most firms to be able to invest in a mutual fund. so bush's plan is flawed, because it relies on the responsibility of the american people to invest, but they don't invest. that's why 95% of people at the age of 65 are working or dead broke. that's why you see senior citizens greeting you at wal-mart. it's because of flawed ideas that rely soully on the idea that americans won't touch the money given to them.
if you do decide to invest anytime soon, i suggest you put 3/4 of your money in a ROTH IRA with at least a C-student rate of return (10%), and the other 1/4 in an emergency fund. i'd hope you see the flaws in the bush plan now, as it will cost us badly in the longrun.
with respect,
smerf
Arturo,
This one's for you ~~~
I call Kerry's ideology VOLTE-FASISM:
Kerry voted against funding our soldiers in Iraq.
Then Kerry says, "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it."
volte-facism
*****
Kerry speaks contemptuously about our allies: Great Britain, Australia, Italy, Spain, Poland and more than 20 other nations, calling them mere "window dressing", "a coalition of the coerced and the bribed."
Yet he turns around and talks about the need for international cooperation in the war on Iraq.
volte-facism
*****
Kerry says we shouldn't have sent troops to Iraq.
Kerry says we should send more troops to Iraq.
volte-facism
*****
Kerry likes to remind people about how he honorably served in Vietnam.
Yet when Kerry came home, he turned on our troops and stabbed them in the back by portraying them as war criminals.
volte-facism
*****
Though he has long supported affirmative action, in a speech at Yale University in 1992, Kerry called the program "inherently limited and divisive," and said it had "kept America thinking in racial terms." He added that it was failing those most in need of assistance: African-Americans.
At the height of the Democratic primary race in January, Kerry reiterated his support for affirmative action. Kerry’s critics question how he can support a program that he once called “divisive.” Kerry says he was speaking about racial quotas, which he opposes.
volte-facism
*****
Kerry voted for President Bush's "No Child Left Behind Act” but now campaigns against it.
He says Mr. Bush failed to adequately fund the legislation by not linking student-testing requirements with school funding, though the legislation requires rigorous testing in the states.
volte-facism
*****
One never knows where Kerry stands.
This one's for you ~~~
I call Kerry's ideology VOLTE-FASISM:
Kerry voted against funding our soldiers in Iraq.
Then Kerry says, "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it."
volte-facism
*****
Kerry speaks contemptuously about our allies: Great Britain, Australia, Italy, Spain, Poland and more than 20 other nations, calling them mere "window dressing", "a coalition of the coerced and the bribed."
Yet he turns around and talks about the need for international cooperation in the war on Iraq.
volte-facism
*****
Kerry says we shouldn't have sent troops to Iraq.
Kerry says we should send more troops to Iraq.
volte-facism
*****
Kerry likes to remind people about how he honorably served in Vietnam.
Yet when Kerry came home, he turned on our troops and stabbed them in the back by portraying them as war criminals.
volte-facism
*****
Though he has long supported affirmative action, in a speech at Yale University in 1992, Kerry called the program "inherently limited and divisive," and said it had "kept America thinking in racial terms." He added that it was failing those most in need of assistance: African-Americans.
At the height of the Democratic primary race in January, Kerry reiterated his support for affirmative action. Kerry’s critics question how he can support a program that he once called “divisive.” Kerry says he was speaking about racial quotas, which he opposes.
volte-facism
*****
Kerry voted for President Bush's "No Child Left Behind Act” but now campaigns against it.
He says Mr. Bush failed to adequately fund the legislation by not linking student-testing requirements with school funding, though the legislation requires rigorous testing in the states.
volte-facism
*****
One never knows where Kerry stands.
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Oct 26 2004, 01:03 PM)
The problem is they are playing to a few people that don't pay attention, rarely vote and don't get their news from a varied array of sources. Listening to the newsbreaks from the major media you'd get the idea the site was looted in the last few days and that nobody knew until yesterday.
People who get their news solely from the networks will not see this debunked.
People who get their news solely from the networks will not see this debunked.
People that don't keep up with the Newspapers are poorly informed.
Dridge has proven to be incorrect yet once again.
Look for him to whisk it off his website without admitting error any minute now.
QUOTE
Pentagon appointees like Di Rita don't seem to have any clear idea what happened to this stuff. And in an attempt to push back the story, they're cooking up various theories, most with very short half-lives, that just don't seem credible to a lot of folks who follow these issues.
If you look at the multiple contradictions in the different stories administration officials told reporters over the course of Monday, it's hard not to get the sense that they're caught without a good explanation and they're just making this stuff up as they go along.
The folks who really understand this stuff don't seem to put much stock in what guys like Di Rita and Scott McClellan are saying. The LA Times piece, notes that one of them is former chief weapons inspector David Kay, that notorious bush-basher and left-winger. Kay thinks the stuff was carted off after the old regime was history. Kay told the Times he visited the site in May 2003 "and it was heavily looted at that time. Sometime between April and May, most of the stuff was carried off. The site was in total disarray, just like a lot of the Iraqi sites."
-- Josh Marshall
If you look at the multiple contradictions in the different stories administration officials told reporters over the course of Monday, it's hard not to get the sense that they're caught without a good explanation and they're just making this stuff up as they go along.
The folks who really understand this stuff don't seem to put much stock in what guys like Di Rita and Scott McClellan are saying. The LA Times piece, notes that one of them is former chief weapons inspector David Kay, that notorious bush-basher and left-winger. Kay thinks the stuff was carted off after the old regime was history. Kay told the Times he visited the site in May 2003 "and it was heavily looted at that time. Sometime between April and May, most of the stuff was carried off. The site was in total disarray, just like a lot of the Iraqi sites."
-- Josh Marshall
May 2003, the chief weapons inspector noticed it was "heavily looted" yet they still didn't post guardfs? Your boy Bush is one incompetent C-I-C.
But at least he was doing something
QUOTE (smerf @ Oct 26 2004, 07:13 PM)
there are other ways of saving social security than privatizing a portion of it. look, i am an investor, i work with people's money. you don't seem to grasp the fact that when people have extra money in their pockets, they don't invest, they spend! that's why social security is there. hence the word security. it is your opinion that it will save the government money in the "long run", but they haven't brought forth any other relevant ideas to solve the problem other than taking money out of the government and ballooning our fiscal umbrella.
if you can invest your money responsibly, i'll be quite surprised, but happy for you. you have no idea how many people plan to invest and just wind up spending the money. or worse yet, they do invest but wind up taking the money out for emergencies or a new car or crap they don't need and they get slammed with charges and fees and they didn't let the money compound itself.
people don't use the proper investment vehicles anyways. the bank is not the answer, growth equity mutual funds are. most people don't know that, and if they do, they would need a substantial amount of money at most firms to be able to invest in a mutual fund. so bush's plan is flawed, because it relies on the responsibility of the american people to invest, but they don't invest. that's why 95% of people at the age of 65 are working or dead broke. that's why you see senior citizens greeting you at wal-mart. it's because of flawed ideas that rely soully on the idea that americans won't touch the money given to them.
if you do decide to invest anytime soon, i suggest you put 3/4 of your money in a ROTH IRA with at least a C-student rate of return (10%), and the other 1/4 in an emergency fund. i'd hope you see the flaws in the bush plan now, as it will cost us badly in the longrun.
with respect,
smerf
if you can invest your money responsibly, i'll be quite surprised, but happy for you. you have no idea how many people plan to invest and just wind up spending the money. or worse yet, they do invest but wind up taking the money out for emergencies or a new car or crap they don't need and they get slammed with charges and fees and they didn't let the money compound itself.
people don't use the proper investment vehicles anyways. the bank is not the answer, growth equity mutual funds are. most people don't know that, and if they do, they would need a substantial amount of money at most firms to be able to invest in a mutual fund. so bush's plan is flawed, because it relies on the responsibility of the american people to invest, but they don't invest. that's why 95% of people at the age of 65 are working or dead broke. that's why you see senior citizens greeting you at wal-mart. it's because of flawed ideas that rely soully on the idea that americans won't touch the money given to them.
if you do decide to invest anytime soon, i suggest you put 3/4 of your money in a ROTH IRA with at least a C-student rate of return (10%), and the other 1/4 in an emergency fund. i'd hope you see the flaws in the bush plan now, as it will cost us badly in the longrun.
with respect,
smerf
I'll have to get back with you later. THis post is too long to answer right now.
CYA
Them NBC camera crews sure know their expolsives...NOT
This was one of the sites that got the GOP into a lather because they thought the "white powder" was some kind of chemical weapon. It "later" turned out they were explosives.
Any idiot with Google can find multiple mentions of this site being searched after the invaision. Drudges silly report is just that...silly.
This was one of the sites that got the GOP into a lather because they thought the "white powder" was some kind of chemical weapon. It "later" turned out they were explosives.
Any idiot with Google can find multiple mentions of this site being searched after the invaision. Drudges silly report is just that...silly.
QUOTE (Carol A @ Oct 26 2004, 11:12 AM)
I think they will. I've seen it on different stations. I knew about it before you wrote anything.
Yeah, but I've been hanging around liberals a long time. Just because you and I hear about it doesn't mean the news will penetrate the sand they have their heads buried in.
CBS and the NYT will be VERY careful how they cover it. Especially with what they conveniently omit.
QUOTE (Carol A @ Oct 26 2004, 12:40 PM)
You think "taking off the income caps" and "means test the recipients" is a serious solution? I don't believe in what she's advocating. You know the wealthy people pay more income taxes than anyone, and to advocate forcing them to pay far beyond a reasonable amount into Social Security, when you know they'll never get even a fraction of it back, is outrageously discriminatory. They've worked all their lives for their money too.
Yes, we have to take care of those that can't take care of themselves. The money in that fund has to be distributed to those in need, and we, who have paid into it, should be able to receive, at the very least, what we get now (which by the way, is not enough).
Social Security is in dire need of reform because, IMO, it is highly mismanaged and has been for a long time -- probably always will be -- but, I do think President Bush's plan is the better one.
Yes, we have to take care of those that can't take care of themselves. The money in that fund has to be distributed to those in need, and we, who have paid into it, should be able to receive, at the very least, what we get now (which by the way, is not enough).
Social Security is in dire need of reform because, IMO, it is highly mismanaged and has been for a long time -- probably always will be -- but, I do think President Bush's plan is the better one.
The gap between the rich and poor has never been so high.
They are bilking the very people who's sweat and blood provide them with their wealth.
Oh, there was another time the gap between the rich and poor was this high. Just before the fall of the Roman Empire.
You're buying that elitist Heritage garbage hook, line, and sinker.
That's very sad. You seem intelligent.
QUOTE (Carol A @ Oct 26 2004, 11:18 AM)
One never knows where Kerry stands.
QUOTE (Carol A @ Oct 26 2004, 11:18 AM)
Kerry speaks contemptuously about our allies: Great Britain, Australia, Italy, Spain, Poland and more than 20 other nations, calling them mere "window dressing", "a coalition of the coerced and the bribed."
Yet he turns around and talks about the need for international cooperation in the war on Iraq.
Yet he turns around and talks about the need for international cooperation in the war on Iraq.
he says that we need international cooperation because we carry too much of the burden, and the other members of the coalition were brought in under the false pretense that there were wmd's which there weren't.
QUOTE (Carol A @ Oct 26 2004, 11:18 AM)
Kerry says we shouldn't have sent troops to Iraq.
Kerry says we should send more troops to Iraq.
volte-facism
Kerry says we should send more troops to Iraq.
volte-facism
he says that we shouldn't have sent troops in because we had no real motive to put them in there in the first place, and now that we are in it, we need more troops to finish the job that was given when bushie decided to attack without adequate troops OR funding.
QUOTE (Carol A @ Oct 26 2004, 11:18 AM)
Kerry likes to remind people about how he honorably served in Vietnam.
Yet when Kerry came home, he turned on our troops and stabbed them in the back by portraying them as war criminals.
Yet when Kerry came home, he turned on our troops and stabbed them in the back by portraying them as war criminals.
HE served honorably but others didn't. there were solders raping women, burning villages, and killing innocent bistandards for fun. he wanted to bring THOSE soldiers to justice because what they did was wrong. END OF STORY!
QUOTE (Carol A @ Oct 26 2004, 11:18 AM)
Though he has long supported affirmative action, in a speech at Yale University in 1992, Kerry called the program "inherently limited and divisive," and said it had "kept America thinking in racial terms." He added that it was failing those most in need of assistance: African-Americans.
At the height of the Democratic primary race in January, Kerry reiterated his support for affirmative action. Kerry’s critics question how he can support a program that he once called “divisive.” Kerry says he was speaking about racial quotas, which he opposes
At the height of the Democratic primary race in January, Kerry reiterated his support for affirmative action. Kerry’s critics question how he can support a program that he once called “divisive.” Kerry says he was speaking about racial quotas, which he opposes
you need to understand something. to bring in students just because of their race is racism in itself.
QUOTE (Carol A @ Oct 26 2004, 11:18 AM)
Kerry voted for President Bush's "No Child Left Behind Act” but now campaigns against it.
He says Mr. Bush failed to adequately fund the legislation by not linking student-testing requirements with school funding, though the legislation requires rigorous testing in the states.
He says Mr. Bush failed to adequately fund the legislation by not linking student-testing requirements with school funding, though the legislation requires rigorous testing in the states.
that's not the argument, it's the funding, not the testing. you need to understand that there was a budget for "no child left behind" and it was not met.
QUOTE (Bee @ Oct 26 2004, 11:20 AM)
People that don't keep up with the Newspapers are poorly informed.
Or you can go right to Drudge and read the AP right from the horses mouth. I read the local Red star and find that most of what they print I've known for hours. What I find most interesting is what makes pager one and what gets buried back on page 9.
Luckily for me I get to actually hear the actual 2003 NBC reports that prove this "story" is an old one.
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Oct 26 2004, 01:30 PM)
Or you can go right to Drudge and read the AP right from the horses mouth. I read the local Red star and find that most of what they print I've known for hours. What I find most interesting is what makes pager one and what gets buried back on page 9.
Luckily for me I get to actually hear the actual 2003 NBC reports that prove this "story" is an old one.
Luckily for me I get to actually hear the actual 2003 NBC reports that prove this "story" is an old one.
Did your report say they had searched all 1,100 buildings at that complex?
Funny THIS AP Report says they DID find it:
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UN weapons inspectors went repeatedly to the vast al Qa Qaa complex, most recently on March 8. But they found nothing during spot visits to some of the 1,100 buildings at the site 40 kilometres south of Baghdad.
Col. John Peabody, engineer brigade commander of the 3rd Infantry Division, said troops found thousands of five-centimetre by 12-centimetre boxes, each containing three vials of white powder, together with documents written in Arabic that dealt with how to engage in chemical warfare.
A senior U.S. official familiar with initial testing said the powder was believed to be explosives. The finding would be consistent with the plant's stated production capabilities in the field of basic raw materials for explosives and propellants.
According to UN weapons inspectors, who spoke on condition of anonymity, the Iraqis filled warheads and artillery shells with explosives at the site and manufactured bomb casings there. The activities, for conventional weaponry, were allowed under UN resolutions. But the resolutions, passed after the 1991 Gulf War, ban Iraq from possessing chemical, biological and nuclear weapons and the long-range missiles to deliver them.
Peabody told an Associated Press reporter that troops at al Qa Qaa also discovered atropine, used to counter the effects of nerve agents, and 2-Pam chloride, which is used in combination with atropine in case of chemical attack.
The presence of atropine, and the discovery of gas masks and chemical suits earlier in the war, could indicate Iraq was preparing to use chemical weapons.
For years, the al Qa Qaa site has raised the suspicions of weapons inspectors who believed the facilities could be converted for the production of missiles and chemical and nuclear weapons. It was visited repeatedly during the 1990s and during the last cycle of inspections between Nov. 27 and March 17, when UN experts went to the complex more than 10 times.
According to a British dossier on Iraq published in September 2002, parts of al Qa Qaa's chemical complex, destroyed in 1991, were repaired and are now operational, including a production plant for the chemical weapon phosgene.
Nuclear inspectors believe an area of the complex was involved in designing an atomic bomb before Iraq's nuclear program was destroyed by UN teams after the 1991 Gulf War. The facility also made lenses and other components that can be used to trigger nuclear explosions.
In March 1990, customs officers at Heathrow Airport in London seized a case of capacitors -- components for triggers in nuclear weapons -- bound for al Qa Qaa that were especially designed for detonating nuclear warheads.
Inspectors had installed cameras and sensors all around the complex after the Gulf War but the Iraqis dismantled the equipment when inspectors left in 1998. The new inspections regime, which returned in November, had planned to install new monitoring equipment but ran out of time.
Col. John Peabody, engineer brigade commander of the 3rd Infantry Division, said troops found thousands of five-centimetre by 12-centimetre boxes, each containing three vials of white powder, together with documents written in Arabic that dealt with how to engage in chemical warfare.
A senior U.S. official familiar with initial testing said the powder was believed to be explosives. The finding would be consistent with the plant's stated production capabilities in the field of basic raw materials for explosives and propellants.
According to UN weapons inspectors, who spoke on condition of anonymity, the Iraqis filled warheads and artillery shells with explosives at the site and manufactured bomb casings there. The activities, for conventional weaponry, were allowed under UN resolutions. But the resolutions, passed after the 1991 Gulf War, ban Iraq from possessing chemical, biological and nuclear weapons and the long-range missiles to deliver them.
Peabody told an Associated Press reporter that troops at al Qa Qaa also discovered atropine, used to counter the effects of nerve agents, and 2-Pam chloride, which is used in combination with atropine in case of chemical attack.
The presence of atropine, and the discovery of gas masks and chemical suits earlier in the war, could indicate Iraq was preparing to use chemical weapons.
For years, the al Qa Qaa site has raised the suspicions of weapons inspectors who believed the facilities could be converted for the production of missiles and chemical and nuclear weapons. It was visited repeatedly during the 1990s and during the last cycle of inspections between Nov. 27 and March 17, when UN experts went to the complex more than 10 times.
According to a British dossier on Iraq published in September 2002, parts of al Qa Qaa's chemical complex, destroyed in 1991, were repaired and are now operational, including a production plant for the chemical weapon phosgene.
Nuclear inspectors believe an area of the complex was involved in designing an atomic bomb before Iraq's nuclear program was destroyed by UN teams after the 1991 Gulf War. The facility also made lenses and other components that can be used to trigger nuclear explosions.
In March 1990, customs officers at Heathrow Airport in London seized a case of capacitors -- components for triggers in nuclear weapons -- bound for al Qa Qaa that were especially designed for detonating nuclear warheads.
Inspectors had installed cameras and sensors all around the complex after the Gulf War but the Iraqis dismantled the equipment when inspectors left in 1998. The new inspections regime, which returned in November, had planned to install new monitoring equipment but ran out of time.
Of course the chief weapons inspector that then visited the site in May, a month later, and reported it was "heavily looted" doesn't mean a thing.
The NBC "camera crew" are the experts.
Of course most reasonable people would have expected guards at the place after the initial discovery
No.
Then they would have forgiven Mr. Bush and expected that after David Kaye found it looted, that they would have secured it.
No. They didn't.
So when the Iraqi Government fesses up to the fact that it is indeed missing, says so Sunday, and the Times reports it Monday, you call it a vast left wing conspiracy?
Those are some contortions of logic you have to exercise to get there.
No.
Then they would have forgiven Mr. Bush and expected that after David Kaye found it looted, that they would have secured it.
No. They didn't.
So when the Iraqi Government fesses up to the fact that it is indeed missing, says so Sunday, and the Times reports it Monday, you call it a vast left wing conspiracy?
Those are some contortions of logic you have to exercise to get there.
Do you Righties feel safer knowing Mr. Bush's er, largesse, has armed every terrorist in the world while simutaneously creating more of them?
interesting
You might want to check the lead content in your water.
interesting
You might want to check the lead content in your water.
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