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Art.
QUOTE (Bee @ Oct 29 2004, 12:34 PM)
You have it coming out of your ears as usual. If you really were reading "both sides" as you like to claim, then you would have read, ad naseum, that Iraq was allowed to have this material under the sanctions. Exactly with what authority could El Baradei have "ordered it destroyed?"

Bush certainly could have.
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I guess you haven't been following the real news or David Kay's most recent interview. It isn't so simple as the Dem/NYT/CBS connection might paint it.
Art.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=209158



WASHINGTON Oct 29, 2004 — An Army unit removed 250 tons of ammunition from the Al-Qaqaa weapons depot in April 2003 and later destroyed it, the company's former commander said Friday. A Pentagon spokesman said some was of the same type as the missing explosives that have become a major issue in the presidential campaign.

But those 250 tons were not located under the seal of the International Atomic Energy Agency as the missing high-grade explosives had been and Pentagon spokesman Larry Di Rita could not definitely say whether they were part of the missing 377 tons.

Maj. Austin Pearson, speaking at a press conference at the Pentagon, said his team removed 250 tons of TNT, plastic explosives, detonation cords, and white phosporous rounds on April 13, 2003 10 days after U.S. forces first reached the Al Qaqaa site.

"I did not see any IAEA seals at any of the locations we went into. I was not looking for that," Pearson said.


Report: Japanese Hostage Killed in Iraq
Alleged American Al Qaeda Warns of U.S. Attacks
Making Art Out of War
Di Rita sought to point to Pearson's comments as evidence that some RDX, one of the high-energy explosives, might have been removed from the site. RDX is also known as plastic explosive.

But Di Rita acknowledged: "I can't say RDX that was on the list of IAEA is what the major pulled out. … We believe that some of the things they were pulling out of there were RDX."

Further study was needed, Di Rita said.

Whether Saddam Hussein's forces removed the explosives before U.S. forces arrived on April 3, 2003, or whether they fell into the hands of looters and insurgents afterward because the site was not guarded by U.S. troops has become a key issue in the campaign.

Pearson's comments raise further questions about the chain of events surrounding these explosives, the disappearance of which has been repeatedly cited by Democrat John Kerry as evidence of the Bush administration's poor handling of the war in Iraq.

Still, 377 tons of explosives amount to a tiny fraction of the weaponry in Iraq. U.S. forces have already destroyed, or have slated to destroyed, more than 400,000 tons of all manner of Iraqi weapons and ammunition. But at least another 250,000 tons from Saddam's regime remain unaccounted for, and some has undoubtedly fallen into the hands of insurgents.

The window in which the explosives were most likely removed from Al-Qaqaa begins on March 15, 2003 five days before the war started and ends in late May, when a U.S. weapons inspection team declared the depot stripped and looted.
Art.
QUOTE (Mizilus @ Oct 29 2004, 12:37 PM)
Courage?

Wouldnt you have been scared of the anthrax assassin if he had targeted strictly repuslickans and you were in DC??
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Nah, I'm more scared of you now that I heard you wanted to beat up a Bushlover. rolleyes.gif
lil bart
QUOTE (Repub_Bub @ Oct 29 2004, 12:07 PM)
I've never seen so many armchair quarterbacks construct such lofty ivory towers....as if the higher ya build'em the more forceful the pronouncement.

I'ts is simply impossible to determine the value of the missing munitions story without factual information.

We won't have factual information for a few more days (if ever).

The magnitude of the event as a significant factor during the war is not even remotely miniscule.

Passing the penny as a buck that stops with the President is a mindless stretch at best...regardless who the Prez may be.

Good entertainment though....
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Award for most cliches & mixed metaphors of any post of the day (and most others). Good job, Bub. (If the "magnitude" isn't "remotely miniscule," then what is it? Proximately miniscule? Or not miniscule at all? Methinks words got in charge of thoughts.)

You have this spectacular way of continuing to suggest, in nearly every circumstance, that "we" do not know enough or do not have position enough to question leadership or policies or actions. You question the very right to render an opinion or take a stand. And yet in so doing, you always take one, and it is always on the same side, and your rigidity here is just about unparalleled.
patheticJT
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Oct 29 2004, 07:52 PM)
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=209158
WASHINGTON Oct 29, 2004 — An Army unit removed 250 tons of ammunition from the Al-Qaqaa weapons depot in April 2003 and later destroyed it, the company's former commander said Friday. A Pentagon spokesman said some was of the same type as the missing explosives that have become a major issue in the presidential campaign.

But those 250 tons were not located under the seal of the International Atomic Energy Agency as the missing high-grade explosives had been and Pentagon spokesman Larry Di Rita could not definitely say whether they were part of the missing 377 tons.

Maj. Austin Pearson, speaking at a press conference at the Pentagon, said his team removed 250 tons of TNT, plastic explosives, detonation cords, and white phosporous rounds on April 13, 2003 10 days after U.S. forces first reached the Al Qaqaa site.

"I did not see any IAEA seals at any of the locations we went into. I was not looking for that," Pearson said.
Report: Japanese Hostage Killed in Iraq
Alleged American Al Qaeda Warns of U.S. Attacks
Making Art Out of War
Di Rita sought to point to Pearson's comments as evidence that some RDX, one of the high-energy explosives, might have been removed from the site. RDX is also known as plastic explosive.

But Di Rita acknowledged: "I can't say RDX that was on the list of IAEA is what the major pulled out. … We believe that some of the things they were pulling out of there were RDX."

Further study was needed, Di Rita said.

Whether Saddam Hussein's forces removed the explosives before U.S. forces arrived on April 3, 2003, or whether they fell into the hands of looters and insurgents afterward because the site was not guarded by U.S. troops has become a key issue in the campaign.

Pearson's comments raise further questions about the chain of events surrounding these explosives, the disappearance of which has been repeatedly cited by Democrat John Kerry as evidence of the Bush administration's poor handling of the war in Iraq.

Still, 377 tons of explosives amount to a tiny fraction of the weaponry in Iraq. U.S. forces have already destroyed, or have slated to destroyed, more than 400,000 tons of all manner of Iraqi weapons and ammunition. But at least another 250,000 tons from Saddam's regime remain unaccounted for, and some has undoubtedly fallen into the hands of insurgents.

The window in which the explosives were most likely removed from Al-Qaqaa begins on March 15, 2003 five days before the war started and ends in late May, when a U.S. weapons inspection team declared the depot stripped and looted.
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BTW, WHAT WAS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE IAEA?
Bee
QUOTE
"Kerry is constantly trying to portray himself as something he's not "


Like a Texas cowpoke that was born in New Haven Connecticut and went to college at Yale CarolA?

Double standards are ugly.
Art.
Anybody pester the the C-Spam C-lessM lately? Are they doing ANYTHING?

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patheticJT
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Oct 29 2004, 08:06 PM)
Anybody pester the the C-Spam C-lessM lately? Are they doing ANYTHING?

dry.gif
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WHERE'S CELTIE AND JDB??????????????????
Bee
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Oct 29 2004, 01:57 PM)
Kerry's newest interview makes me crazy. Mighta, shoulda, woulda, coulda done it better or different in a way as yet to be determined. Can't he EVER just take a stand? ANY stand?
FOR GOD'S SAKE PICK A SIDE MR KERRY.
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The world has more than two sides. What you consider to be wobbling is actually intelligence. Bush's black and white foriegn policy, (you are with us or against us) has been an utter failure because it is so unrealistic. I'd rather have a leader that sees all the complexities rather than reduces it to a yes-or-no, ad naseum, yee-haw, radical goose-step to World War III.

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Kerry/Edwards 2004

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Art.
QUOTE (patheticJT @ Oct 29 2004, 01:05 PM)
BTW, WHAT WAS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE IAEA?
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Responsibility? They didn't stop Pakistan, India, Iran, North Korea or Libya. They did put a little lock on the front door of one site in Iraq. Big whoop. Maybe they should have looked in the window.
Art.
QUOTE (patheticJT @ Oct 29 2004, 01:08 PM)
WHERE'S CELTIE AND JDB??????????????????
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Celtie is a member, but hasn't posted. JDB might have guest posted once. Caught a 10 of 10 terrorists agree post. Gave guests temp ability to post on the political board only.
smerf
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Oct 29 2004, 01:06 PM)
Anybody pester the the C-Spam C-lessM lately? Are they doing ANYTHING?

dry.gif
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Screw em.
Bee
QUOTE (underhi2p @ Oct 29 2004, 02:36 PM)
Why would Bushie want to destroy weapons that the international community allowed Iraq to have?

Seems to me, Bushie took Big Wad Kerry's approach....application of the Global Test.

Works for me!
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When we invaded we could have ordered thoose destroyed, no probem. isn't that what the newest claim is? That they did?

So why do you claim El Baradi could have? Dodger.

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Art.
QUOTE (Bee @ Oct 29 2004, 01:10 PM)
What you consider to be wobbling is actually intelligence.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

But a good bluff.
hunin
QUOTE (patheticJT @ Oct 29 2004, 03:05 PM)
BTW, WHAT WAS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE IAEA?
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To provide ongoing monitoring and verification of Iraqi compliance with the prohibition on nuclear weapons activities in concert with UNSCOM.
Art.
QUOTE (smerf @ Oct 29 2004, 01:14 PM)
Screw em.
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They're screwing us. I pay my cable bill.
smerf
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Oct 29 2004, 01:17 PM)
They're screwing us. I pay my cable bill.
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Yeah and this place is better. Damn it.
hunin
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Oct 29 2004, 03:06 PM)
Anybody pester the the C-Spam C-lessM lately? Are they doing ANYTHING?

dry.gif
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I got an e telling me of some programming. I e-ed back thanking them and inquired AGAIN. No reply yet after 4 days.

grrr
Art.
QUOTE (smerf @ Oct 29 2004, 01:18 PM)
Yeah and this place is better. Damn it.
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But it's insular nature is likely to get old at some point. Like vampires we need fresh blood.

Besides, I'm poor. Would like to have a free forum hosted by a major organization.
Bee
QUOTE (patheticJT @ Oct 29 2004, 02:44 PM)
John Kerry, Foot In Mouth
John Podhoretz
New York Post
10.29.04

HERE'S a question for which only Tuesday will provide an answer: Did John Kerry make a colossal blunder by deciding to spend the last week of the campaign highlighting the fact that Saddam Hussein's Iraq was one giant ammunition dump?

Ignore for a moment the conflicting details of the incredibly confusing story about the 380 tons of high explosives that went missing from the Al-Qaqaa facility south of Baghdad. Accept, for now, John Kerry's contention that the explosives went missing after the fall of Baghdad and that President Bush's negligence in the planning and execution of the war and its aftermath are responsible.

The other day, Kerry said: "After being warned about the danger of major stockpiles of explosives in Iraq, this administration failed to guard those stockpiles — where nearly 380 tons of highly explosive weapons were kept. Today we learned that these explosives are missing, unaccounted for and could be in the hands of terrorists."

Kerry has just bollixed up his own storyline about the war in Iraq. He is concluding his campaign by drawing an explicit association between Saddam Hussein, dangerous weaponry and international terrorists.

That's Bush's argument. Not Kerry's.
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Actually JT, Bushie's argument was that Iraq had WMDs (nukes). As David Kaye told Arron Brown unequivocally last night. These explosives were not WMDs. Everyone knew Iraq had explosives. That's why these were sealed by the IAEA, they were particullarily potent ones, and if we had NOT invaded they would still be in those bunkers, rather than in the hands of terrorists that muse them to blow arms and legs off American soldiers. That's the blunder. Bottom line.
Bee
QUOTE (hunin @ Oct 29 2004, 03:20 PM)
I got an e telling me of some programming. I e-ed back thanking them and inquire AGAIN. No reply yet after 4 days.

grrr
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Savage has had no reply to her enquiry either.

sad.gif
Bee
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Oct 29 2004, 03:20 PM)
But it's insular nature is likely to get old at some point. Like vampires we need fresh blood.

Besides, I'm poor. Would like to have a free forum hosted by a major organization.
*


I just took on a new major project, you'll be happy, it'll keep me off site a few days a week.

E-mail me and I'll paypal you a month or two's worth of fees. It's a lefties turn to foot the bill.
underhi2p
It's official.

Osama Bin Laden has endorsed Big Wad Kerry for President.
Art.
If they never re-open the community I hope the CM gets the boot. The attitude was that it was just a pain and the CM was putting her two cents in for cutbacks and censorship.
hunin
QUOTE (Bee @ Oct 29 2004, 03:20 PM)
Actually JT, Bushie's argument was that Iraq had WMDs (nukes). As David Kaye told Arron Brown unequivocally last night. These explosives were not WMDs. Everyone knew Iraq had explosives. That's why these were sealed by the IAEA, they were particullarily potent ones, and if we had NOT invaded they would still be in those bunkers, rather than in the hands of terrorists that muse them to blow arms and legs off American soldiers. That's the blunder. Bottom line.
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Yupper. THE BOTTOM LINE

_______________________________________________________________
hunin
QUOTE (Bee @ Oct 29 2004, 03:25 PM)
I just took on a new major project, you'll be happy, it'll keep me off site a few days a week.

E-mail me and I'll paypal you a month or two's worth of fees. It's a lefties turn to foot the bill.
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Fees??? What fees? blink.gif
lil bart
QUOTE (Bee @ Oct 29 2004, 01:05 PM)
Like a Texas cowpoke that was born in New Haven Connecticut and went to college at Yale CarolA?

Double standards are ugly.
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Update: Cowpie cowpoke.

QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Oct 29 2004, 01:06 PM)
Anybody pester the the C-Spam C-lessM lately? Are they doing ANYTHING?

dry.gif
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Who?

QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Oct 29 2004, 01:26 PM)
If they never re-open the community I hope the CM gets the boot. The attitude was that it was just a pain and the CM was putting her two cents in for cutbacks and censorship.
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You said it: short, not sweet, & to the chase.
Ward
QUOTE (lil bart @ Oct 29 2004, 12:55 PM)
You have this spectacular way of continuing to suggest, in nearly every circumstance, that "we" do not know enough or do not have position enough to question leadership or policies or actions. You question the very right to render an opinion or take a stand. And yet in so doing, you always take one, and it is always on the same side, and your rigidity here is just about unparalleled.
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That is one fine criticism of Bub's positions, lil.
smerf
QUOTE (hunin @ Oct 29 2004, 01:29 PM)
Yupper. THE BOTTOM LINE

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yeah, let us see if bush's elected, how he'll handle the lying and illegalities of his actions.

can you say "string up the rope! there'sa gonna be a lynchin'!!!!"?
Art.
QUOTE (Bee @ Oct 29 2004, 01:25 PM)
I just took on a new major project, you'll be happy, it'll keep me off site a few days a week.

E-mail me and I'll paypal you a month or two's worth of fees. It's a lefties turn to foot the bill.
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We're covered to the end of the month at any rate. My intention isn't to let this die over money, but I still would like to get C-Span moving again. We have enough members it would only average a buck apiece for the regular users. If we got a few more in it would definitely be worth keeping this open. We can support three times as much bandwidth usage as we have. There is room to grow.
Carol
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Oct 29 2004, 08:52 PM)
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=209158
WASHINGTON Oct 29, 2004 — An Army unit removed 250 tons of ammunition from the Al-Qaqaa weapons depot in April 2003 and later destroyed it, the company's former commander said Friday. A Pentagon spokesman said some was of the same type as the missing explosives that have become a major issue in the presidential campaign.

But those 250 tons were not located under the seal of the International Atomic Energy Agency as the missing high-grade explosives had been and Pentagon spokesman Larry Di Rita could not definitely say whether they were part of the missing 377 tons.

Maj. Austin Pearson, speaking at a press conference at the Pentagon, said his team removed 250 tons of TNT, plastic explosives, detonation cords, and white phosporous rounds on April 13, 2003 10 days after U.S. forces first reached the Al Qaqaa site.

"I did not see any IAEA seals at any of the locations we went into. I was not looking for that," Pearson said.
Report: Japanese Hostage Killed in Iraq
Alleged American Al Qaeda Warns of U.S. Attacks
Making Art Out of War
Di Rita sought to point to Pearson's comments as evidence that some RDX, one of the high-energy explosives, might have been removed from the site. RDX is also known as plastic explosive.

But Di Rita acknowledged: "I can't say RDX that was on the list of IAEA is what the major pulled out. … We believe that some of the things they were pulling out of there were RDX."

Further study was needed, Di Rita said.

Whether Saddam Hussein's forces removed the explosives before U.S. forces arrived on April 3, 2003, or whether they fell into the hands of looters and insurgents afterward because the site was not guarded by U.S. troops has become a key issue in the campaign.

Pearson's comments raise further questions about the chain of events surrounding these explosives, the disappearance of which has been repeatedly cited by Democrat John Kerry as evidence of the Bush administration's poor handling of the war in Iraq.

Still, 377 tons of explosives amount to a tiny fraction of the weaponry in Iraq. U.S. forces have already destroyed, or have slated to destroyed, more than 400,000 tons of all manner of Iraqi weapons and ammunition. But at least another 250,000 tons from Saddam's regime remain unaccounted for, and some has undoubtedly fallen into the hands of insurgents.

The window in which the explosives were most likely removed from Al-Qaqaa begins on March 15, 2003 five days before the war started and ends in late May, when a U.S. weapons inspection team declared the depot stripped and looted.
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Major Austin Pearson said, ""I did not see any IAEA seals at any of the locations we went into. I was not looking for that," Pearson said.

Pentagon spokesman Larry Di Rita pointed out that it wasn't known if those seals had been removed beforehand.

Larry Di Rita also said that there was movement of heavy equipment after the inspectors left and before we went in.

Major Austin Pearson stated that, at that time, he wasn't trained to know the difference in plastic explosives. His troops went in to assist the 101st Airborne in clearing enemy ammunitions. He said they removed and destroyed approx. 250 tons of ammunition containing some types of the ones shown, such as RDX, HMX. How much of what they destroyed was that of the missing munitions, he said he didn't know. Units following had the responsibility of destroying what was left.

Larry Di Rita said they are still investigating, but believes there was about 3 tons of the missing munitions remaining after Major Pearson's troops left.
lil bart
QUOTE (Ward @ Oct 29 2004, 01:31 PM)
That is one fine criticism of Bub's positions, lil.
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Thanks, Wardlet. The attitude -- the stance, really -- reminds me of parishioners in a church. And I don't think that translates well to the body politic or that recitations & amens should constitute the vox populi.

AV -- Beebs is on for November. I've got your back in December.

Don't make us come down there & hurt you. cool.gif
Bee
QUOTE (Carol A @ Oct 29 2004, 03:33 PM)
Major Austin Pearson said, ""I did not see any IAEA seals at any of the locations we went into. I was not looking for that," Pearson said.

Pentagon spokesman Larry Di Rita pointed out that it wasn't known if those seals had been removed beforehand.

Larry Di Rita also said that there was movement of heavy equipment after the inspectors left and before we went in.

Major Austin Pearson stated that, at that time, he wasn't trained to know the difference in plastic explosives.  His troops went in to assist the 101st Airborne in clearing enemy ammunitions.  He said they removed and destroyed approx. 250 tons of ammunition containing some types of the ones shown, such as RDX, HMX.  How much of what they destroyed was that of the missing munitions, he said he didn't know.  Units following had the responsibility of destroying what was left.

Larry Di Rita said they are still investigating, but believes there was about 3 tons of the missing munitions remaining after Major Pearson's troops left.
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They destroyes IAEA sealed explosives but did not notify the IAEA?

This is about as credible as the "Russian" story.
underhi2p
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Oct 29 2004, 04:32 PM)
We're covered to the end of the month at any rate. My intention isn't to let this die over money, but I still would like to get C-Span moving again. We have enough members it would only average a buck apiece for the regular users. If we got a few more in it would definitely be worth keeping this open. We can support three times as much bandwidth usage as we have. There is room to grow.
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I'm willing to give a little extra.

This place allows me to cuss and swear and poopoo.
lil bart
QUOTE (underhi2p @ Oct 29 2004, 01:41 PM)
I'm willing to give a little extra. 

This place allows me to cuss and swear and poopoo.
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Under used to be constipated & repressed.

Duck.
Carol
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Oct 29 2004, 09:10 PM)
Responsibility? They didn't stop Pakistan, India, Iran, North Korea or Libya. They did put a little lock on the front door of one site in Iraq. Big whoop. Maybe they should have looked in the window.
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I think these articles will give you some insight into the IAEA

http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/p...30-100332-3797r

"Sixty percent of the IAEA safeguards budget is spent monitoring compliance with the safeguards agreement of Canada, Japan, and Germany," he said.

In principle, civilian use of weapons-quality nuclear materials is premised on the IAEA's meeting its stated objective of detecting with confidence the diversion of a bomb-quantity or more of this material on a timely basis. However, an understanding of the IAEA's actual standards and procedures for safeguarding plutonium makes clear that the Agency does not come close to achieving this goal in practice.


http://www.nci.org/p/plsgrds.htm
Mizilus
Well that settles it. Everyone is willing to stuff singles in arti's waistband.
Carol
QUOTE (Bee @ Oct 29 2004, 09:37 PM)
They destroyes IAEA sealed explosives but did not notify the IAEA?

This is about as credible as the "Russian" story.
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I said:

Major Austin Pearson said, ""I did not see any IAEA seals at any of the locations we went into. I was not looking for that," Pearson said.

Pentagon spokesman Larry Di Rita pointed out that it wasn't known if those seals had been removed beforehand.


Major Austin Pearson stated that, at that time, he wasn't trained to know the difference in plastic explosives. His troops went in to assist the 101st Airborne in clearing enemy ammunitions. He said they removed and destroyed approx. 250 tons of ammunition containing some types of the ones shown, such as RDX, HMX.


Meaning, he could now identify RDX, HMX. At the time they went in, HE WAS NOT TRAINED TO IDENTIFY RDX, HMX. HE WENT IN AND DESTROYED PLASTIC EXPLOSIVES -- PERIOD.

HE NOW KNOWS, AFTER STUDYING PICTURES SHOWN TO HIM, THAT SOME OF WHAT THEY DESTROYED IS RDX AND HMX.

Are you really that dense?
underhi2p
QUOTE (lil bart @ Oct 29 2004, 04:43 PM)
Under used to be constipated & repressed.

Duck.
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I thought I did a good job over in C-Span.org in finding offensive words that would pass the filter.

I was particularly fond of referring to most Senators as imbeciles. Apparently, the manager at C-Span took offense as imbecile ended up in the filter.

Too bad.
Art.
QUOTE (Mizilus @ Oct 29 2004, 01:44 PM)
Well that settles it. Everyone is willing to stuff singles in arti's waistband.
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Well IPB's G-string at any rate. I still advise everyone to keep track of the Yahoo site because sometimes these do go down or get closed for some odd legal reason or by accident.
hunin
QUOTE (lil bart @ Oct 29 2004, 03:37 PM)
Thanks, Wardlet. The attitude -- the stance, really -- reminds me of parishioners in a church. And I don't think that translates well to the body politic or that recitations & amens should constitute the vox populi.

AV -- Beebs is on for November. I've got your back in December.

Don't make us come down there & hurt you.  cool.gif
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Fees? unsure.gif
hunin
QUOTE (underhi2p @ Oct 29 2004, 03:54 PM)
I thought I did  a good job over in C-Span.org in finding offensive words that would pass the filter.

I was particularly fond of referring to most Senators as imbeciles.   Apparently, the manager at C-Span took offense as imbecile ended up in the filter.

Too bad.
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Sure that wasn't due to Thoron?
Art.
QUOTE (hunin @ Oct 29 2004, 01:56 PM)
Fees? unsure.gif
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It's free, no fees. I wouldn't have started it if I wasn't willing to keep it going on my own and with any donations I might find down the road.
hunin
QUOTE (Carol A @ Oct 29 2004, 03:53 PM)
I said:

Major Austin Pearson said, ""I did not see any IAEA seals at any of the locations we went into. I was not looking for that," Pearson said.

Pentagon spokesman Larry Di Rita pointed out that it wasn't known if those seals had been removed beforehand.


Major Austin Pearson stated that, at that time, he wasn't trained to know the difference in plastic explosives.  His troops went in to assist the 101st Airborne in clearing enemy ammunitions.  He said they removed and destroyed approx. 250 tons of ammunition containing some types of the ones shown, such as RDX, HMX.
Meaning, he could now identify RDX, HMX.  At the time they went in, HE WAS NOT TRAINED TO IDENTIFY RDX, HMX.  HE WENT IN AND DESTROYED PLASTIC EXPLOSIVES -- PERIOD.

HE NOW KNOWS, AFTER STUDYING PICTURES SHOWN TO HIM, THAT SOME OF WHAT THEY DESTROYED IS RDX AND HMX.

Are you really that dense?
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Now wouldn't it have been simpler to allow the IAEA to come in ASAP. So we wouldn't have to rely on the foggy testimony of Major I-was-not-looking-for-that?
hunin
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Oct 29 2004, 04:00 PM)
It's free, no fees. I wouldn't have started it if I wasn't willing to keep it going on my own and with any donations I might find down the road.
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Well, heck, there's some new history.

Good on you.
Carol
QUOTE (hunin @ Oct 29 2004, 10:03 PM)
Now wouldn't it have been simpler to allow the IAEA to come in ASAP. So we wouldn't have to rely on the foggy testimony of Major I-was-not-looking-for-that?
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No. It would not have been a good idea, given the fact that there was extreme fighting going on.

It was more important to destroy those materials asap, IMO.

I'm sure glad you weren't running the war.
patheticJT
QUOTE (Bee @ Oct 29 2004, 08:20 PM)
Actually JT, Bushie's argument was that Iraq had WMDs (nukes). As David Kaye told Arron Brown unequivocally last night. These explosives were not WMDs. Everyone knew Iraq had explosives. That's why these were sealed by the IAEA, they were particullarily potent ones, and if we had NOT invaded they would still be in those bunkers, rather than in the hands of terrorists that muse them to blow arms and legs off American soldiers. That's the blunder. Bottom line.
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Point well taken...so these 380 tons would still be sitting there if we hadnt invaded.............but the 400,000 tons of explosives in Iraq that we have destroyed, would still be in saddams hands.

Nice trade out.......You guys are national security advisers in the making...........
patheticJT
QUOTE (patheticJT @ Oct 29 2004, 09:10 PM)
Point well taken...so these 380 tons would still be sitting there if we hadnt invaded.............but the 400,000 tons of explosives in Iraq that we have destroyed, would still be in saddams hands.

Nice trade out.......You guys are national security advisers in the making...........
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Yupper
Bottom Line alright............
hunin
QUOTE (Carol A @ Oct 29 2004, 04:08 PM)
No.  It would not have been a good idea, given the fact that there was extreme fighting going on.

It was more important to destroy those materials asap, IMO.

I'm sure glad you weren't running the war.
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Could have an easilly guarded those materials and brought the IAEA in for accurate accounting. There was no threat so long as they were in the bunkers, yes?


Nice dodge though.
patheticJT
IN CASE MY LIBERAL FREINDS MISSED IT:


40 Excuses And A Mule
October 27, 2004



White liberals have been indulging their fantasies of violence against conservatives lately – physically attacking conservatives, ransacking Bush-Cheney headquarters (though not any NRA headquarters, I note). The white wife of vice presidential candidate John Edwards recently warned of riots unless Kerry is elected.

In the midst of this rash of violence by white liberals, this week Al Gore admonished a group of blacks not to engage in violence over the election. Perhaps Gore should have saved that speech for a convocation of Moveon.org members.

And Democrats wonder why they have to ask white people to hold "African-Americans for Kerry-Edwards" signs at their rallies – as happened in St. Petersburg, Fla., last Saturday. The Kerry campaign is hemorrhaging black voters like teenaged girls fleeing an R. Kelly house party. None of the Democrats' top black leaders – Jesse, Al, Bill Clinton – has been able to stem the tide.

Here's the deal on politics and race in America: Republicans don't need black voters, but they want them. Democrats don't want black voters, but they need them. Blacks have been the Democrats' most loyal voters, typically giving the party upward of 90 percent of their vote. But Democrats ignore blacks.

That's according to none other than the Rev. Jesse Jackson, who said precisely that in a speech to "Campaign for America's Future" at the Democratic National Convention this summer.

Now, with the election less than a week away, the Kerry campaign is dashing off to every black church in the country. Bill Clinton had to interrupt an important sponge bath with someone named "Bunny" to come to Kerry's rescue in Philadelphia. (Possible slogan: "Kerry – The Same as Clinton, Without the Burning Sensation.")

The Democrats' inspired 11th-hour message to black voters is: Here are your crumbs, your scraps, your measly handouts. Too bad you're so childish, incompetent and dependent, huh? Now run along and cast your vote for the guy with the "D" next to his name and we'll see you in four years, 'K? Buh-bye, now.

With no fanfare, President Bush has placed black stars like Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell in top positions in his administration. Kerry waited for complaints that the only black people in his campaign were setting up folding chairs at rallies before finding blacks for any prominent positions. (Another campaign slogan: "John Kerry: Pretending to Fight for Blacks Since Very Recently.")

Among loony liberal ideas polling especially badly among blacks is the Democrats' gusto for gay marriage.

Gay marriage is a tricky issue for the Democrats due to the fact that – like taxes, defense and education – they are forced to lie about their position when running for office. In other words, Democrats are gay marriage supporters trapped in the bodies of candidates who oppose gay marriage. And no issue-reassignment surgery can help them.

By contrast, blacks – like Republicans and most Americans in general – not only believe gay marriage is wrong, but are willing to publicly state this belief.

Bush opposes gay marriage. Kerry is for it – and he has always been consistent on that by taking every position imaginable on gay marriage. Kerry's got more gay marriage positions than the Kama-sutra, including the "yawning dog," the "courtesan's dilemma" and the "flip-flopping weasel."

Campaigning in Missouri about a month ago, Kerry began the day saying he was opposed to Missouri's constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman. By the end of the day, Kerry was claiming he supported the amendment and, indeed, that his position on gay marriage was identical to Bush's.

Later, Kerry retracted his support for the Missouri marriage amendment, telling a gay magazine that he hadn't read the amendment and, in fact, he opposed it. (More campaign slogan ideas: "John Kerry won't just take a stand on the tough issues – he'll take two or three of them!")

When Kerry's strategy of being both for gay marriage and against it failed to fool blacks, he sent Jesse Jackson out to black churches to tell the parishioners to set aside their views on gay marriage and vote for Kerry anyway. What are blacks getting out of this deal again?

Compensating for his progressive views on gay marriage, Kerry supports federal funding for partial-birth abortions. Taxpayer-supported abortion on demand should make "Emily's List" feminists happy, but it has not been a big hit with black ministers.

Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, was quite explicit about using abortion as a tool to reduce the minority population. She said the goal of Planned Parenthood was to "give certain dysgenic groups in our population their choice of segregation or sterilization." Even today, talk to any white liberal about abortion and within 60 seconds he will raise the black "overpopulation" problem.

We hear a lot about the 2 million people in America's jails and how many of them are black, but we rarely talk about the 35 to 40 million abortions since Roe v. Wade and how many of those babies were black. When your position on black abortion is identical to the Klan's, maybe it's time to reconsider.

Kerry's supporters are reaching out to blacks by demanding that black cabdrivers in New York City who support Bush be fined and suspended. When taxi driver Etzer Jerome told his sensitive Upper West Side passenger he had voted for Bush, she demanded that he pull over and let her out, yelling at him: "How can a black man vote for Bush?" and "I'm going to f--- you!" She then filed a complaint against Jerome with the Taxi and Limousine Commission alleging that Jerome had "verbally harassed her." He was fined $500 and given a three-week suspension.

On the bright side, the Democrats offer black voters loads and loads of meaningless abstractions that will have absolutely no effect on their lives. "Jobs," for example. (Just not any of the important jobs in a Kerry administration.)

Democrats' extravagant claims about creating "jobs" are as credible as their claims that they will allow the wheelchair-bound to walk. Among the jobs that are currently not available to Americans are these being performed in China under a free-trade bill voted for by John Kerry. (New campaign slogan: "John Kerry: Betraying America Since 1971.")

And apparently, black voters can also look forward to a lot of patronizing demagoguery from the Democrats, such as the claim that Republicans maliciously suppressed the black vote in Florida in 2000.

Kerry claims Republicans disenfranchised 1 million black voters in Florida in 2000, but neglects to mention that after extensive and expensive hearings, the U.S. Civil Rights Commission failed to name a single one of them. Can you name just one out of that "million," Sen. Kerry? We've found more WMDs in Iraq than we've found disenfranchised blacks in Florida.

Indeed – to the contrary! – in 2000, blacks composed 11 percent of registered voters in Florida, but made up 17 percent of those who actually voted. If that's how Republicans "suppress" the black vote, blacks are better off when Republicans attack them than when Democrats pretend to be nice to them.
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