Ideas?

C4?

While fascinating to me personally, C-SPAN boards were full of bots and uncivil invective.

C-SPAN is a delicate corporate public relations vehicle. It was naive to think the C-SPAN Community could continue without enhanced filtration.

wots a bot?

A pseud.

n. A software program that imitates the behavior of a human, as by querying search engines or participating in chatroom or IRC discussion.

Like Fast Eddie, but with more personality.

Thanks for the definition ward and av. I heard people call eddie a bot before, but I came up with a slightly more negative connotation... i thought it was an acronym.

....Hmmm -- things are a bit slow here {Dec 2004 ??}



C-SPAN management too.... seems to move at a glacial pace.



...haven't seen any change in the way C-SPAN does things.

What does the published C-SPAN 'Mission' statement say they are supposed to be doing ?

Anybody had any recent contact/feedback from C-SPAN on anything ??

A bit slow on this topic because we've given up improving C-Span.

....well, sounds like C-SPAN management has been entirely nonresponsive to inquiries ??

I'm not privy to all the history behind this, but a very strong & primary complaint here seems to have been the abrupt shutdown of the original C-SPAN web forums last year.

Did C-SPAN just flat out refuse to answer any and all questions about the status of their web forums ?? What communications methods were attempted by members here ?

Perhaps the dust and emotion on this issue have settled down enough after 6 months -- that C-SPAN would now be willing to answer a 'polite' formal query about the 'status' of its web forum plans <??>

I'd suggest sending a short, polite letter to the managing CEO at C-SPAN via registered-mail, with a self-addressed/stamped envelope enclosed ..... making it as easy as possible for C-SPAN to answer the basic issue.

A follow-up registered letter might be required if C-SPAN is still sore about this issue... but IMO a little bit of polite persistence will get a C-SPAN response that you have given up on.

Also, the C-SPAN head office is very easy to get to in Washington D.C. near the Capitol Building.... Combine a brief tourist trip to D.C. with a face-to face visit at C-SPAN.
I think it would be very feasible to schedule a 10 minute appointment with some C-SPAN manager or spokesman on this issue. Press to test !

They got steady polite emails for quite a while. The answers they returned got less positive as time went by. They left up links to the community for quite a while and have only recently began taking community links down. Seems to me they've become less interested rather than more.

What happened I can't really guess, but it's pretty obvious to me they aren't listening to us at any rate. Maybe they will want to start fresh at some point, but I don't see it happening any time soon.

As poor as I am it's worth $20 a month not to have to kiss C-Span's lying ass.

...well, OK --- but I'll bet down deep you'd really like to know what the inside C-SPAN story was on their web forums shutdown -- and if those forums are ever coming back.

Maybe it was just some innocent bureaucratic snafu ... and the forums just got lost in a much bigger corporate re-shuffle ?

Didn't C-SPAN completely change their internet service company (...and hardware/software) this year ?? Might help explain things.... ?

{.....Seek and Ye shall Find...}

Well, it's a free country. Maybe one of the fast typing members are curious and so inclined. They knew where we were/are if they wanted any of our input.(which they obviously didn't)

It's too bad their focus is more on the business than information and political participation, but I can understand their problem. They have jobs to do and cable money to spend.

Exactly.

That's what I meant about the Iron Law of Oligarchy --- bureaucratic organizations
{...like corporations} degenerate over time such that a cadre of elite insiders eventually run the organizations for their 'own' self-serving purposes --- rather than for original purpose of the organization.

Maybe C-SPAN needs a 'big' corporate shakeup ... to get'em back on track. The current crew is 'too' comfortable with the status quo & Beltway cultural norms.

Move C-SPAN head offices to Montgomery, Alabama.

Break 'em up. They can outsource the new forum our way. It's not as if they DID anything before. Just let the crappy Web-X run and toss out the occasional right-winger.

Put a link and disclaimer and I'm remove the "sucks" from C-Span sucks.

Interesting that our guest seems to think that the obvious hasn't been tried...

...You'd think they were the only one with an "original thought"

hmmmm. Surprised they didn't say how they found the place....

C-Span Sucks.

I'll give credit for good intentions. I suppose I should have emailed them at least once, but I likely would have just said something counter-productive.

Ditto

...well, I said I didn't know all the history on this C-SPAN issue -- but I strongly doubt anybody sent C-SPAN a registered snailmail inquiry.... or attempted a personal visit to C-SPAN HQ.
E-mail was likely the preferred mode of communication to C-SPAN ... but e-mail is easily ignored/deleted by the intended recepient.

...be glad to see a quick summary here of the "obvious" stuff y'all already did, so unsuccessfully.



[...i just stumbled across this site today via an unrelated Google --- looks like there's some reasonable activity here]

'Activity,' yes.

'Reasonable' is in the eyes of the beholder.

Since we got a lot of email responses it seemed to be they were willing to listen by email. It isn't exactly like writing your congress person because they knew us and our history. Something changed betweeen the planning and the execution phase.

I was skeptical from the start. Even moreso when they finally admitted it would be a few months at best. Before it seemed like they were planning to get right on specific upgrades. The bottom line is they could have done it in an afternoon, and cheap too. I did this in half a day and it's better than the software C-Span had.

Glad you stumbled in, but in general we've moved past complaining about C-Span. (while still hoping they may someday put a forum back on their site)

Google “C-Span sucks” sometime. Google will return this site at the number one spot on the list. We are the survivors of the old C-Span political boards, shut down since Sept 2004. Feel free to jump right in, and invite your friends, too. We are looking for fresh blood, ‘cause we drank all the old blood. You can post as a “guest” and membership is free and certain. You can say you were invited by a friend, or better, say you found it on Google. Politics discussions carried on from the old c-span board, plus other discussions and threads as posters desire. A free speech zone, within reason. Not a sexually oriented board.

C-Span sucks – tell your friends.

I've been in and out since the election. Don't like to step in the middle of feuds, but like the various views. Sometimes I sign in anonymous just to see what is happening. Especially the "gender war". Some of the men around here are lucky they haven't been given the Lorena Bobbit treatment.

Welcome back then.

Don't scare off the noobs, Beezer.

Millness said he was surprised how long I lasted in his spiteful personally petulant little board.

Welcome, Calvert! More than one board here has the discussion and history of the type you are looking for. Hashed and rehashed. I actually posted up a couple of e-mails I got from the C-SPAN Community Manager long about last summer -- before the crash (if not fall). Those would be on the newest C-SPAN board in the soapbox. Other of our fairly wide-ranging if often bitter and pointed discussion are available in a few boards on this site.

But jump in anywhere, anytime, 'bout anything.

Thrilled to have ya.

...Hmmm, well as a new-guy just stumbling in -- I noticed quite a lot of "C-SPAN Sucks" text sprinkled in the forums here...... from that recent 1st impression, it seems to me that your statement that: "...in general we've moved past complaining about C-SPAN" is premature.

...but that's OK IMO.
C-SPAN needs & deserves a continuing review and feedback from its viewing public.
This web site seems like a good idea, except that nobody at C-SPAN is likely to pay any attention to it .... but then again -- C-SPAN didn't seem to pay any attention to its own web forums (.. before C-SPAN management 'temporarily' terminated them).

This site appears worthwhile for members & lurkers. I guess the secondary challenge is to find some means of effective feedback to the C-SPAN leadership. Maybe a daily 'consumer-review' sub-forum here for member comments/discussion on specific C-SPAN programs each day --- copies of which are then automatically e-mailed to C-SPAN (....yeah I know -- C-SPAN will just ignore those kind of e-mails too ... but I'm tryin' to brainstorm a bit here!).

I was a C-SPAN junkie a few years ago -- but now I can hardly watch it at all -- due to its dull and predictable programming. IMO C-SPAN management has lost sight of its original purpose, and has degenerated into just another Beltway media outlet... with some specialized hobbies like 'Book TV'.

...Thanks for all the nice & friendly responses to the new guest stumblebum -- there's much more life in this forum than might at first be apparent.... !

The old CSPAN community manger was somewhat curious about this board. They apparently do have someone looking through the e-mail.

Your idea is pretty interesting though. Good, even. (Although it sounds strangely familiar.) I suppose if CSPAN got a regular form letter they'd be likely to read it.

I'm just not sure that they are open to suggestion, anymore.

CSPAN Sucks.

The C-Span sucks was for Google's benefit. Trying to get a phrase in that was concise and had the ability to move straight to the top. (it worked) It isn't that we haven't moved on, but that everyone helped to get our catch-phrase known.

Now just tell people to Google C-Sspan sucks if you want to find their way back. Like leaving a trail of bread crumbs.

I agree with your C-Span critique quite a bit. But it may be I've changed as well as them. Here I can get and give more than a sound bite or talking point. About all a caller is allowed before the hosts and guests take over.

C-SPAN is bigger than Brian Lamb or

the National Cable Satellite Company.

the paradigm is in place.

the PUBLIC needs to be put in C-SPAN.

perhaps a good ol' fashioned

PUBLIC DOMAIN (request??claim?? i don't know. that didn't come out like i thought. what ever the gov't does when they take some one's property)

C-SPAN is a gift from the cable companies.

thanks.

"500 channels"
and at best
three C-SPAN's

that's not balanced and/or F.A.I.R. (fair)

the PUBLIC AIRWAVES are a shambles.

the STATE of the AIRWAVES:
"...a VAST TOXIC WASTELAND"

10 new C-SPAN Companion Networks is the least the FCC and Congress could do.

In the 90's the FCC auctioned off portions of the BROADCAST SPECTRUM.
One "hunk" of Spectrum would reach 16 million Customers (CITIZENS).

almost the size of Texas.

it went for $3.00!

Three dollars!?!

when FCC chair Reed Hundt was asked to comment, he said "...I wish I had $3.00".

i have an old ford truck
i think you could get three or four spools of piano wire...

wow!

i have to go throw-up

************
sorry to be off topic

the proceeding were excerpts from the monologue:
" i have to laugh, lest i cry"

ps
i'm wearing a toga and am sitting on a grassy knoll with babies breath in my hair

"the PUBLIC needs to be put in C-SPAN."


C-Span took the public out before last election. I still haven't forgiven them.

Duly noted

I still watch plenty of c-span. Most of us here do, I think.

C-Span Sucks came about due to their closing the C-span message board, not their programming.

Other than the board closure, C-Span rules.

C-SPAN does Rule.

The more C-SPAN the better.

the FCC and Congress are about ready to give away a truck load (several trucks) or BROADCAST SPECTRUM.

the PUBLIC AIRWAVES

the Broadcast and Cable companies have "...made so much money doing IT'S worst, IT can't afford to do better".

"hey!! your Eminence! How about alittle something for the effort..."


more C-SPAN COMPANION NETWORKS (10 OR MORE) is not unreasonable.

A country that has more ESPN Networks than
C-SPAN Networks, is f@#!ed in the head
"crazy in the coconut"

there's more C-SPAN ARCHIVES than you can shake a stick at.

in five minutes i could doodle a programming schedule for ten years for
10 New C-SPAN Companion Networks

ARCHIVES Supplemented by LIVE OPEN phones and perhaps WJ type interviews with Jounalists, Lobbyist, Politicians like C-SPAN does
1)during the election cycle NH primaries (evening style WJ)
2) the conventions and
3) inaugural etc (every C-SPAN junky knows what i'm talking about)
Susan Swain "... to get a little perspective..."

ps
the above C-SPAN schedule would not repeat anymore than the History channel and other networks that re-air programming through out the year

i'm just gonna stay consistant

what good would flaunting my philosophy

i might as well go to a
progressivegreensocialistworkingleftistautomaticfire-armowningoppossedtoabortionbutveryprochioceduhwanttocapitalizeonsellingascreenplay website

*******
be gentle

http://progressivegreensocialistworkinglef...ascreenplay.com

cool!

It's an empty vessel, all you have to do is pay to fill it. I heard cspanrepublicans hosting service has an opening or two.

hmm
interesting

It was the Illuminati!

Cool!!
C-SPAN is re-airing todays WJ right now.

Thanks. Sadly it's the part I already saw.

hi- i am new here, and was wonderin if folks still used this board. i was lookin for some WJ folks to chat with. any help?

Stick around, and someone will show up. Check out some of the other threads.

Sad to say our idea of improving C-Span was to bring back the internet forums.

They didn't. So here we are, trying to keep our heads up and build a home away from home.

Habitat for cspan humanity

Sure, the roof leaks a bit, and the toilet overflows on occassion, but it beats being out in the cold.

hey-
nice to find you all
did one of you call in , on the 25 bday WJ show and metion this board? thats how i got here , i also call in on that show! anyway. we need to step up the game and i was lookin for "friends" ?