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Martial Law
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Wow, here's the report, for you dial-uppers:
This ain't no "lefty" source. Thanks Kane.
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Bush makes power grab
Posted: May 23, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern
President Bush, without so much as issuing a press statement, on May 9 signed a directive that granted near dictatorial powers to the office of the president in the event of a national emergency declared by the president.
The "National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive," with the dual designation of NSPD-51, as a National Security Presidential Directive, and HSPD-20, as a Homeland Security Presidential Directive, establishes under the office of president a new National Continuity Coordinator.
That job, as the document describes, is to make plans for "National Essential Functions" of all federal, state, local, territorial, and tribal governments, as well as private sector organizations to continue functioning under the president's directives in the event of a national emergency.
The directive loosely defines "catastrophic emergency" as "any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions."
(Column continues below)
When the president determines a catastrophic emergency has occurred, the president can take over all government functions and direct all private sector activities to ensure we will emerge from the emergency with an "enduring constitutional government."
Translated into layman's terms, when the president determines a national emergency has occurred, the president can declare to the office of the presidency powers usually assumed by dictators to direct any and all government and business activities until the emergency is declared over.
Ironically, the directive sees no contradiction in the assumption of dictatorial powers by the president with the goal of maintaining constitutional continuity through an emergency.
The directive specifies that the assistant to the president for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism will be designated as the National Continuity Coordinator.
Further established is a Continuity Policy Coordination Committee, chaired by a senior director from the Homeland Security Council staff, designated by the National Continuity Coordinator, to be "the main day-to-day forum for such policy coordination."
Currently, the assistant to the president for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism is Frances Fragos Townsend.
Townsend spent 13 years at the Justice Department before moving to the U.S. Coast Guard where she served as assistant commandant for intelligence.
She is a White House staff member in the executive office of the president who also chairs the Homeland Security Council, which as a counterpart to the National Security Council reports directly to the president.
The directive issued May 9 makes no attempt to reconcile the powers created there for the National Continuity Coordinator with the National Emergency Act. As specified by U.S. Code Title 50, Chapter 34, Subchapter II, Section 1621, the National Emergency Act allows that the president may declare a national emergency but requires that such proclamation "shall immediately be transmitted to the Congress and published in the Federal Register."
A Congressional Research Service study notes that under the National Emergency Act, the president "may seize property, organize and control the means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, institute martial law, seize and control all transportation and communication, regulate the operation of private enterprise, restrict travel, and, in a variety of ways, control the lives of United States citizens."
The CRS study notes that the National Emergency Act sets up congress as a balance empowered to "modify, rescind, or render dormant such delegated emergency authority," if Congress believes the president has acted inappropriately.
NSPD-51/ HSPD-20 appears to supersede the National Emergency Act by creating the new position of National Continuity Coordinator without any specific act of Congress authorizing the position.
NSPD-51/ HSPD-20 also makes no reference whatsoever to Congress. The language of the May 9 directive appears to negate any a requirement that the president submit to Congress a determination that a national emergency exists, suggesting instead that the powers of the executive order can be implemented without any congressional approval or oversight.
Homeland Security spokesperson Russ Knocke affirmed that the Homeland Security Department will be implementing the requirements of NSPD-51/ HSPD-20 under Townsend's direction.
The White House had no comment.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55824
Posted: May 23, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern
President Bush, without so much as issuing a press statement, on May 9 signed a directive that granted near dictatorial powers to the office of the president in the event of a national emergency declared by the president.
The "National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive," with the dual designation of NSPD-51, as a National Security Presidential Directive, and HSPD-20, as a Homeland Security Presidential Directive, establishes under the office of president a new National Continuity Coordinator.
That job, as the document describes, is to make plans for "National Essential Functions" of all federal, state, local, territorial, and tribal governments, as well as private sector organizations to continue functioning under the president's directives in the event of a national emergency.
The directive loosely defines "catastrophic emergency" as "any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions."
(Column continues below)
When the president determines a catastrophic emergency has occurred, the president can take over all government functions and direct all private sector activities to ensure we will emerge from the emergency with an "enduring constitutional government."
Translated into layman's terms, when the president determines a national emergency has occurred, the president can declare to the office of the presidency powers usually assumed by dictators to direct any and all government and business activities until the emergency is declared over.
Ironically, the directive sees no contradiction in the assumption of dictatorial powers by the president with the goal of maintaining constitutional continuity through an emergency.
The directive specifies that the assistant to the president for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism will be designated as the National Continuity Coordinator.
Further established is a Continuity Policy Coordination Committee, chaired by a senior director from the Homeland Security Council staff, designated by the National Continuity Coordinator, to be "the main day-to-day forum for such policy coordination."
Currently, the assistant to the president for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism is Frances Fragos Townsend.
Townsend spent 13 years at the Justice Department before moving to the U.S. Coast Guard where she served as assistant commandant for intelligence.
She is a White House staff member in the executive office of the president who also chairs the Homeland Security Council, which as a counterpart to the National Security Council reports directly to the president.
The directive issued May 9 makes no attempt to reconcile the powers created there for the National Continuity Coordinator with the National Emergency Act. As specified by U.S. Code Title 50, Chapter 34, Subchapter II, Section 1621, the National Emergency Act allows that the president may declare a national emergency but requires that such proclamation "shall immediately be transmitted to the Congress and published in the Federal Register."
A Congressional Research Service study notes that under the National Emergency Act, the president "may seize property, organize and control the means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, institute martial law, seize and control all transportation and communication, regulate the operation of private enterprise, restrict travel, and, in a variety of ways, control the lives of United States citizens."
The CRS study notes that the National Emergency Act sets up congress as a balance empowered to "modify, rescind, or render dormant such delegated emergency authority," if Congress believes the president has acted inappropriately.
NSPD-51/ HSPD-20 appears to supersede the National Emergency Act by creating the new position of National Continuity Coordinator without any specific act of Congress authorizing the position.
NSPD-51/ HSPD-20 also makes no reference whatsoever to Congress. The language of the May 9 directive appears to negate any a requirement that the president submit to Congress a determination that a national emergency exists, suggesting instead that the powers of the executive order can be implemented without any congressional approval or oversight.
Homeland Security spokesperson Russ Knocke affirmed that the Homeland Security Department will be implementing the requirements of NSPD-51/ HSPD-20 under Townsend's direction.
The White House had no comment.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55824
This ain't no "lefty" source. Thanks Kane.
They Thought They Were Free
The Germans, 1933-45
http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html
But Then It Was Too Late
"What no one seemed to notice," said a colleague of mine, a philologist, "was the ever widening gap, after 1933, between the government and the people. Just think how very wide this gap was to begin with, here in Germany. And it became always wider. You know, it doesn’t make people close to their government to be told that this is a people’s government, a true democracy, or to be enrolled in civilian defense, or even to vote. All this has little, really nothing, to do with knowing one is governing.
"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.
"This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.
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"How is this to be avoided, among ordinary men, even highly educated ordinary men? Frankly, I do not know. I do not see, even now. Many, many times since it all happened I have pondered that pair of great maxims, Principiis obsta and Finem respice—‘Resist the beginnings’ and ‘Consider the end.’ But one must foresee the end in order to resist, or even see, the beginnings. One must foresee the end clearly and certainly and how is this to be done, by ordinary men or even by extraordinary men? Things might have. And everyone counts on that might.
"Your ‘little men,’ your Nazi friends, were not against National Socialism in principle. Men like me, who were, are the greater offenders, not because we knew better (that would be too much to say) but because we sensed better. Pastor Niemöller spoke for the thousands and thousands of men like me when he spoke (too modestly of himself) and said that, when the Nazis attacked the Communists, he was a little uneasy, but, after all, he was not a Communist, and so he did nothing; and then they attacked the Socialists, and he was a little uneasier, but, still, he was not a Socialist, and he did nothing; and then the schools, the press, the Jews, and so on, and he was always uneasier, but still he did nothing. And then they attacked the Church, and he was a Churchman, and he did something—but then it was too late."
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...In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.
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"And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all...."
"Once the war began, the government could do anything ‘necessary’ to win it...."
If Bush leaves DC for some family reason or any reason, the day before the next President's inauguration, welcome to the Coup de Tat.
Yeah, I was reading some of the comments on YouTube, warning folks to get out of D.C.
Bush has gone too far.
Bush has gone too far.
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This is the way America ends
This is the way America ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
--Apologies to Eliot
This is the way America ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
--Apologies to Eliot
Given the sweeping powers that come with martial law, the directive seems fairly straightforward.
As I recall the USSC did already say that under certain circumstances the prez could declare martial law. Dire circumstances where the courts were inoperable.
I can see - where say a pandemic broke out here - where it would indeed become a federal matter requiring federal martial law.
Martial law isn't really mentioned in the Big C, but it would appear Congress could always react to prez abuse of such a power.
Presuming Congress can meet. In this communication ripe culture no doubt they could manage something.
Any worrisome coup would hopefully find itself snuffed by soldiers disobeying any illegal orders.
As I recall the USSC did already say that under certain circumstances the prez could declare martial law. Dire circumstances where the courts were inoperable.
I can see - where say a pandemic broke out here - where it would indeed become a federal matter requiring federal martial law.
Martial law isn't really mentioned in the Big C, but it would appear Congress could always react to prez abuse of such a power.
Presuming Congress can meet. In this communication ripe culture no doubt they could manage something.
Any worrisome coup would hopefully find itself snuffed by soldiers disobeying any illegal orders.
QUOTE(hunin @ May 29 2007, 10:54 PM) [snapback]305347[/snapback]
Given the sweeping powers that come with martial law, the directive seems fairly straightforward.
As I recall the USSC did already say that under certain circumstances the prez could declare martial law. Dire circumstances where the courts were inoperable.
I can see - where say a pandemic broke out here - where it would indeed become a federal matter requiring federal martial law.
Martial law isn't really mentioned in the Big C, but it would appear Congress could always react to prez abuse of such a power.
Presuming Congress can meet. In this communication ripe culture no doubt they could manage something.
Any worrisome coup would hopefully find itself snuffed by soldiers disobeying any illegal orders.
Here is the screenwriter in me's scenario for how a coup wouldn't look like a coup. I do not trust Mr. Bush, haven't really been one to trust him for quite some time. He lies too much for my taste and his family has too many connections to disreputable individuals for me to believe he isn't capable of true evil, so keep in mind that my feelings in regards to the man are based on data, but are only beliefs.
It's January 19, 2009, GWB is soon to be leaving office, and one of his daughters is getting married, but wants to be married in a small private ceremony for family while her father is still President. George and company are down in Crawford for the wedding.
Meanwhile back in Washington, DC, the new Congress is in full swing and the new administration is gearing up for the inauguration tomorrow. Suddenly there is a flash and bang and DC is gone. The big one has wiped DC off the map.
GWB is still the President. He is set to leave office tomorrow, but the new president, the congress, and the court are dead and gone. Using the powers he just gave himself, given the devastation, GWB becomes POTUS.
THERE IS NO CONTIUNITY OF GOVERNMENT PLAN IN THE CONSTITUTION TO DEAL WITH THIS SCENARIO, OR UNDER LAWS AUTHORIZED CURRENTLY!
GWB remains President, under marshall law, while the several states try to reconstitute the Senate and the House, but the House needs special elections.
With this kind of scenario it is easy to see the constitution falling by the wayside, and dictatorship reigning supreme similar things followed from the Reichstag fire.
Nuke delivered "from somewhere in Pakistan" of course.
QUOTE(CFKane_ @ May 29 2007, 06:13 PM) [snapback]305351[/snapback]
Here is the screenwriter in me's scenario for how a coup wouldn't look like a coup. I do not trust Mr. Bush, haven't really been one to trust him for quite some time. He lies too much for my taste and his family has too many connections to disreputable individuals for me to believe he isn't capable of true evil, so keep in mind that my feelings in regards to the man are based on data, but are only beliefs.
It's January 19, 2009, GWB is soon to be leaving office, and one of his daughters is getting married, but wants to be married in a small private ceremony for family while her father is still President. George and company are down in Crawford for the wedding.
Meanwhile back in Washington, DC, the new Congress is in full swing and the new administration is gearing up for the inauguration tomorrow. Suddenly there is a flash and bang and DC is gone. The big one has wiped DC off the map.
GWB is still the President. He is set to leave office tomorrow, but the new president, the congress, and the court are dead and gone. Using the powers he just gave himself, given the devastation, GWB becomes POTUS.
THERE IS NO CONTIUNITY OF GOVERNMENT PLAN IN THE CONSTITUTION TO DEAL WITH THIS SCENARIO, OR UNDER LAWS AUTHORIZED CURRENTLY!
GWB remains President, under marshall law, while the several states try to reconstitute the Senate and the House, but the House needs special elections.
With this kind of scenario it is easy to see the constitution falling by the wayside, and dictatorship reigning supreme similar things followed from the Reichstag fire.
BTW CF, very good to see you back. Very good.
But if say, 'Suddenly there is a flash and bang and DC is gone...' , well then, my friend we would be in a poopyty position for sure. Even without NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/NSPD 51 / HOMELAND SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/HSPD-20 we would be in a poopyty position.
Any lame duck who could manage that would continue to be prez I suspect. Just for lack of alternative. That possibility has existed for years.
I have to trust in the good sense of any involved in such a ploy, not to partake. It would be treason.
No small matter to nuke DC. Would be a definitely illegal order under any circumstances.
There's plenty I worry about how BushInc can screw things up even moreso than they are before he leaves office in disgrace, but not coup. Call me an optimist.
Coup is low on my list - since he's become nearly as unpopular among the military as he has the populace. Moreso among those he has burned with his hubris - the commanders.
He has few allies for such a coup I suspect. Even if he wished it.
I don't think dude has the initiative to go there. He's lazy - a coup would take a lot of effort.
Yeah, bush has continually demonstrated that he loves America and its people. He has nothing but this coutry's best interests at heart.
There is no way anyone in the bush family would be involved in a conspiracy of any kind.
There is no way anyone in the bush family would be involved in a conspiracy of any kind.
QUOTE(hunin @ May 29 2007, 11:55 PM) [snapback]305354[/snapback]
There's plenty I worry about how BushInc can screw things up even moreso than they are before he leaves office in disgrace, but not coup. Call me an optimist.
Coup is low on my list - since he's become nearly as unpopular among the military as he has the populace. Moreso among those he has burned with his hubris - the commanders.
He has few allies for such a coup I suspect. Even if he wished it.
I don't think dude has the initiative to go there. He's lazy - a coup would take a lot of effort.
It doesn't require a big consipiracy for that kind of scenario to happen, just a few key people, be the US or foreign, and there are plenty of people committed to the policy of perpetual war to get it done.
Once the key deed is done, getting the troops to fall in line is the easy part, and it doesn't take a big force to handle the key deed.
I'm dubious he has the sheit-together to do it. Given how everything he touches turns to sheit.
Nor even his puppet-masters.
It would take more than a few to make it happen methinks. Numerous traitors.
But time will tell.
Regardless, good to have you back around.
Nor even his puppet-masters.
It would take more than a few to make it happen methinks. Numerous traitors.
But time will tell.
Regardless, good to have you back around.
Hey guys, before you start hiding under the bed, the previous administration had one of these too, PDD-NSC-67, Enduring Constitutional Government and Continuity of Government Operations (U) 21 October 1998. The Reagan administration broke such things up into several NSDDs(as did Nixon with his NSDMs), Carter had PD-58 (classified), etc.
Point is most every administration has thought about this continuity of operations business and has issued directives (each President gets to give his its own naming convention, thus the alphabet soup above).
A good link for this is found at the FAS website - see http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/direct.htm
Some of the linked documents even have the texts of the PDs (including the one you folks are so exercised about). But not all - some of these are classified or restricted and thus the FAS webmaster is unable to either give text or even title.
Point is most every administration has thought about this continuity of operations business and has issued directives (each President gets to give his its own naming convention, thus the alphabet soup above).
A good link for this is found at the FAS website - see http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/direct.htm
Some of the linked documents even have the texts of the PDs (including the one you folks are so exercised about). But not all - some of these are classified or restricted and thus the FAS webmaster is unable to either give text or even title.
QUOTE(Russ Logan @ May 29 2007, 05:20 PM) [snapback]305359[/snapback]
Hey guys, before you start hiding under the bed, the previous administration had one of these too, PDD-NSC-67, Enduring Constitutional Government and Continuity of Government Operations (U) 21 October 1998. The Reagan administration broke such things up into several NSDDs(as did Nixon with his NSDMs), Carter had PD-58 (classified), etc.
I remember the warnings that Clinton wasn't going to relinquish power and would cook up some coup. Didn't happen. Political hatred brings out a lot of paranoid feelings. The problem is that if a REAL attack happens some of the nuts will be busy fighting our own government and it's well-meaning workers.
No other President has defined "emergency" in such loose terms as this one.
It wouldn't take a nuke. It could be his 30% approval rating. It could be anything and that's what has the right and the left up in arms.
At any rate, excusing this disgusting grab for power strikes me as silly. This is a bad thing, if you think it's OK for Bush to grant hisself these extraordinary powers, fine. Do nothing.
Plenty of good men do nothing.
It wouldn't take a nuke. It could be his 30% approval rating. It could be anything and that's what has the right and the left up in arms.
At any rate, excusing this disgusting grab for power strikes me as silly. This is a bad thing, if you think it's OK for Bush to grant hisself these extraordinary powers, fine. Do nothing.
Plenty of good men do nothing.
QUOTE(Bee @ May 29 2007, 07:01 PM) [snapback]305369[/snapback]
No other President has defined "emergency" in such loose terms as this one.
It wouldn't take a nuke. It could be his 30% approval rating. It could be anything and that's what has the right and the left up in arms.
At any rate, excusing this disgusting grab for power strikes me as silly. This is a bad thing, if you think it's OK for Bush to grant hisself these extraordinary powers, fine. Do nothing.
It wouldn't take a nuke. It could be his 30% approval rating. It could be anything and that's what has the right and the left up in arms.
At any rate, excusing this disgusting grab for power strikes me as silly. This is a bad thing, if you think it's OK for Bush to grant hisself these extraordinary powers, fine. Do nothing.
We did get hit at home. Not even Pearl Harbor was in Washington. Chances are it's a future president that would need that power. It's pretty obvious Congress is not the thing to handle a sudden emergency, though maybe there'd be a mechanism for getting the minority party involved at the highest level.
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Plenty of good men do nothing.
I'll take that as an insult, but the fact is in a real emergency I want a powerful government, and if it's abusive the chances are it won't be placard carrying lefties that step in to stop it.
Wondering what Kane has been smoking. Did he get it from the beezer? 
QUOTE(CFKane_ @ May 29 2007, 07:18 AM) [snapback]305303[/snapback]
Martial law was imposed by U.S. forces briefly on New Orleans during the War of 1812 and on areas of Mexico occupied by the U.S. Army during the Mexican War. But it became a major issue in the Civil War, when President Abraham Lincoln and the Union army used it in various states to restrain behavior by civilians both in the war zones and eventually in areas far removed from battle such as Ohio and Indiana. This virtual independence of military courts from supervision by civilian courts raised troubling questions; after the war, the U.S. Supreme Court in Ex Parte Milligan (1866) severely limited its application by the federal government and precluded it where civil courts functioned. Although martial law has been declared by state governors for areas hit by natural disasters or extensive violence, the federal government, with the exception of the treatment of the Japanese Americans on the West Coast in World War II, has seldom used martial law in the United States in the twentieth century.
On other occasions, presidents have used martial law when local authorities appeared unwilling or unable to enforce the law. During the 1950s and 1960s, Presidents Dwight Eisenhower, John Kennedy, and Lyndon Johnson used federal troops or federalized National Guard troops to enforce civil rights laws against the will of state governors, most notably at Little Rock, Arkansas, in 1957, Oxford, Mississippi, in 1962, and Selma, Alabama, in 1965. In these cases, martial law effectively negated the power of recalcitrant local authority. In cases where local authority simply breaks down or cannot control an urban disturbance or natural disaster, martial law can be used to support local law enforcement.
Martial law on the national level may be declared by Congress or the president. Under Article I, Section 8, Clause 15, of the Constitution, Congress has the power "[t]o provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress insurrections and repel Invasions." Article II, Section 2, Clause 1, of the Constitution declares that "[t]he President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States." Neither constitutional provision includes a direct reference to martial law. However, the Supreme Court has interpreted both to allow the declaration of martial law by the president or Congress. On the state level, a governor may declare martial law within her or his own state. The power to do so usually is granted in the state constitution.
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ May 29 2007, 09:14 PM) [snapback]305370[/snapback]
We did get hit at home. Not even Pearl Harbor was in Washington. Chances are it's a future president that would need that power. It's pretty obvious Congress is not the thing to handle a sudden emergency, though maybe there'd be a mechanism for getting the minority party involved at the highest level.
I'll take that as an insult, but the fact is in a real emergency I want a powerful government, and if it's abusive the chances are it won't be placard carrying lefties that step in to stop it.
Well, you know how nasty us lefties get once a line is crossed....
What insult? 
I think you and hunin are good men, I was refering to that old saw:
It's not the "left" sending up an alarm about this. It's the right. The guy who wrote the article is the co-author of that swiftboat book. Maybe you shouldn't just dismiss these concerns out of hand because of who posted the information.
That reminds me of another old saw:
I think you and hunin are good men, I was refering to that old saw:
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all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
It's not the "left" sending up an alarm about this. It's the right. The guy who wrote the article is the co-author of that swiftboat book. Maybe you shouldn't just dismiss these concerns out of hand because of who posted the information.
That reminds me of another old saw:
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Don't cut off yer nose to spite yer face.
QUOTE(Celt Cahill @ May 29 2007, 07:45 PM) [snapback]305374[/snapback]
Well, you know how nasty us lefties get once a line is crossed....
I better be careful. Don't want to get a Birkenstock tossed at me.
QUOTE(Bee @ May 29 2007, 08:09 PM) [snapback]305381[/snapback]
What insult?
I think you and hunin are good men, I was refering to that old saw:
It's not the "left" sending up an alarm about this. It's the right. The guy who wrote the article is the co-author of that swiftboat book. Maybe you shouldn't just dismiss these concerns out of hand because of who posted the information.
That reminds me of another old saw:
I think you and hunin are good men, I was refering to that old saw:
It's not the "left" sending up an alarm about this. It's the right. The guy who wrote the article is the co-author of that swiftboat book. Maybe you shouldn't just dismiss these concerns out of hand because of who posted the information.
That reminds me of another old saw:
I got it. If there's something to do about something I'm open, but so far I see a lot of nail-biting about nothing except the current president worrying about who is going to be in a position to act if something out of the ordinary happens leading to a major domestic problem.
This country is too well armed and too evenly divided to be ripe for a coup.
the coup has already occured
Don't piss your pants worrying about it.
worry about who's pissed on the constitution
Says the proponent of show trials to blame Cheney (and a cast of thousands) for 9/11.
yeah sez me
(but that's your cast of thousands)
Funny how you Stalinists can pretend to care about the Constitution one minute, and be ready to convict hundreds on nothing the next.
Plame was ‘covert’ agent at time of name leak
Newly released unclassified document details CIA employment
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/
WASHINGTON - An unclassified summary of outed CIA officer Valerie Plame's employment history at the spy agency, disclosed for the first time today in a court filing by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, indicates that Plame was "covert" when her name became public in July 2003.
The summary is part of an attachment to Fitzgerald's memorandum to the court supporting his recommendation that I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Cheney's former top aide, spend 2-1/2 to 3 years in prison for obstructing the CIA leak investigation.
The nature of Plame's CIA employment never came up in Libby's perjury and obstruction of justice trial.
Undercover travel
The unclassified summary of Plame's employment with the CIA at the time that syndicated columnist Robert Novak published her name on July 14, 2003 says, "Ms. Wilson was a covert CIA employee for who the CIA was taking affirmative measures to conceal her intelligence relationship to the United States."
(continues)
funny how you fascists turn a blind eye and carry water for these felons
QUOTE(inyerface @ May 29 2007, 09:32 PM) [snapback]305394[/snapback]
funny how you fascists turn a blind eye and carry water for these felons
Everything's relative.
lotta bush relatives around
as a matter of fact,
if his name wasn't bush, he'd never have been president
QUOTE(inyerface @ May 29 2007, 09:40 PM) [snapback]305396[/snapback]
lotta bush relatives around
as a matter of fact,
if his name wasn't bush, he'd never have been president
Finally, a bit of agreement.
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