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davis¹³
QUOTE(gtessex @ Feb 8 2006, 12:09 PM) [snapback]182938[/snapback]

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU???????????????????? mad.gif

There is no way in hell that I am mistreating little Beeze!

I am just pointing out a.....PLAIN FACT!!!!!

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY THAT VERMONT'S EDUCATIONAL BUDGET HAS ANYTHING TO DO WHAT SO EVER WITH WHAT I WAS TRYING TO POINT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And FYI, if the feds wanted to raise TAXES and Vermont got more money to fund education, you better fracking believe that it would....NOT change the states budget for funding education because these fracking
lefties would take that money and spend it foolishly like they normally do.

Here is the fracking article.....AGAIN!

Please read it over and over and over until you understand it....and for once stop being such an idiot!

THANK YOU! mad.gif
http://www.freedomworks.org/informed/issue...p?issue_id=2335



Shove your article.
judy
First Grader Suspended for Harassment
Feb 08 1:23 PM US/Eastern


BROCKTON, Mass.

A first grader was suspended for three days after school officials said he sexually harassed a girl in his class by allegedly putting two fingers inside the girl's waistband while she sat on the floor in front of him.

The boy's mother, Berthena Dorinvil, said she "screamed" about last week's suspension from Downey Elementary School, and added her son doesn't know what sexual harassment is.

"He doesn't know those things," she told The Enterprise of Brockton. "He's only 6 years old."

School officials declined comment to The Enterprise, citing the child's age.

"They would have not suspended the child without doing an investigation," said spokeswoman Cynthia McNally.

Dorinvil said the school principal, Diane Gosselin, called her to pick up her son Jan. 30. She said her son asked the principal if the police were going to come get him.

The principal told Dorinvil the girl complained to the teacher after her son touched the girl's waistband, hitting her skin, in a room full of children.

Dorinvil said her son told her he touched the girl's shirt, not her skin, after the girl touched him.

"He was playing with her," Dorinvil said.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/02/08/D8FL3EGO0.html

This is incredible.... these people vote in Splash Kennedy and Barney Fag as their Government Representatives and suspend a FIRST GRADER three days for sexual harrassment. Is that some kind of parallel universe in Massachusettes?
Bart Katz
QUOTE(judy @ Feb 8 2006, 10:24 PM) [snapback]183085[/snapback]

First Grader Suspended for Harassment
Feb 08 1:23 PM US/Eastern
BROCKTON, Mass.

A first grader was suspended for three days after school officials said he sexually harassed a girl in his class by allegedly putting two fingers inside the girl's waistband while she sat on the floor in front of him.

The boy's mother, Berthena Dorinvil, said she "screamed" about last week's suspension from Downey Elementary School, and added her son doesn't know what sexual harassment is.

"He doesn't know those things," she told The Enterprise of Brockton. "He's only 6 years old."

School officials declined comment to The Enterprise, citing the child's age.

"They would have not suspended the child without doing an investigation," said spokeswoman Cynthia McNally.

Dorinvil said the school principal, Diane Gosselin, called her to pick up her son Jan. 30. She said her son asked the principal if the police were going to come get him.

The principal told Dorinvil the girl complained to the teacher after her son touched the girl's waistband, hitting her skin, in a room full of children.

Dorinvil said her son told her he touched the girl's shirt, not her skin, after the girl touched him.

"He was playing with her," Dorinvil said.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/02/08/D8FL3EGO0.html

This is incredible.... these people vote in Splash Kennedy and Barney Fag as their Government Representatives and suspend a FIRST GRADER three days for sexual harrassment. Is that some kind of parallel universe in Massachusettes?


Scandal in the sandbox. mad.gif
judy
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Feb 8 2006, 11:31 PM) [snapback]183087[/snapback]

Scandal in the sandbox. mad.gif

It looks like the teachers and politicians can get away with seduction and rape but the little kids can't have innocent play.
roserose
QUOTE(judy @ Feb 8 2006, 10:35 PM) [snapback]183090[/snapback]

It looks like the teachers and politicians can get away with seduction and rape but the little kids can't have innocent play.

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And she said- David Byrne
gtessex
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Feb 8 2006, 08:43 PM) [snapback]183045[/snapback]

Shove your article.


FO IDIOT! mad.gif


QUOTE(judy @ Feb 8 2006, 11:35 PM) [snapback]183090[/snapback]

It looks like the teachers and politicians can get away with seduction and rape but the little kids can't have innocent play.


I remember 'accidentally' walking into the girl's bathroom when I was in the first grade. I am glad it was then and not now! blink.gif
davis¹³
I'm sure they couldn't tell the difference.
judy
QUOTE(roserose @ Feb 9 2006, 01:22 AM) [snapback]183101[/snapback]

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And she said- David Byrne

Perfect! laugh.gif biggrin.gif You even played the "race card". HAHA
roserose
QUOTE(judy @ Feb 9 2006, 08:43 AM) [snapback]183159[/snapback]

Perfect! laugh.gif biggrin.gif You even played the "race card". HAHA

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What ru n?
Chris
Teacher abuse is where priest abuse was 10 years ago

Erasing innocence: When teachers seduce students, victims and schools suffer

By NICK WERNER
nwerner@muncie.gannett.com


MUNCIE -- Ninth-grade science teacher Robert Baker made his pupil Andrea Clemens feel important.

Eighteen years older than Clemens, Baker invited the insecure 14-year-old to spend lunch with him in his Norwood, Mass., classroom, talked to her on the phone at night and took her to video arcades and amusement parks.


A year and a half later, the teacher and student would be driving 45 minutes in any direction to have sex in woods and abandoned parking lots, usually against Clemens's will.

"I thought I was the only one," Clemens told The Star Press more than 20 years after the abuse started.

Unfortunately Clemens has found company in East Central Indiana, according to local prosecutors who since June have charged three male teachers with sex-related crimes against female students. All three cases are pending in local courts.

Erosion of civility?
Teacher abuse nowadays is where clergy abuse was 10 years ago, according to Bob Shoop, a professor of educational law at Kansas State University who has served as an expert witness in 45 cases involving teachers and sex crimes. The evidence shows that more students are coming forward with allegations of violated trust and abused authority, he said.

Whether this means students are more likely to be abused or just more likely to report the crime is unknown.

There is little research from previous decades to make comparisons and draw conclusions. But an increase in prevalence is likely considering the general sexualization of society and "erosion of civility," Shoop said.

"Everything is more sexualized than it was," he said.

Almost one in 10 students in grades 8 to 11 experience some form of unwanted sexual misconduct from a teacher, according to a survey by Hofstra University professor Charol Shakeshaft, the results of which were released in a 2004 Department of Education report. The study defined sexual misconduct in 14 behaviors ranging from inappropriate (making sexual comments and jokes) to criminal (forced sex).

Based on that study, more than 4.5 million students experience sexual misconduct from a school employee sometime between kindergarten and high school graduation.

Critics of the study, including the National Education Association, said the study undermined confidence in public schools by lumping harassment together with serious sex crimes.

The aftermath
The aftermath of criminal cases concerning sex crimes against students spreads wide, Shoop said.

The victimized students often deal with their trauma through substance abuse, promiscuity and even suicide. Administrators are left to pay million-dollar lawsuit settlements, frequently out of their general budgets because insurance policies refuse to cover costs in sex-related cases. And what is perhaps worse is that every good teacher in the district lives and works under a cloud of suspicion.

"The vast majority of teachers are confident, capable, caring people," Shoop said. "It makes people think that every teacher is a potential molester."

Clemens of Massachusetts responded to her sexual abuse by getting a masters degree in social work and becoming an unofficial spokeswoman on the topic.

But her success took years of therapy.

She remained with her abuser until she was 26.

"I basically had sex for 10 years when I didn't want to. That's really had an affect on me. It took me a long time to trust anyone."

Walking a fine line
Spotting a potential sexual abuser can be difficulty during the hiring process, Shoop said.

"Until somebody is caught, how would you catch them?" Shoop said. "There's no blood test or psychological program you can do to catch these people."

Experts, including Shoop, suggest school administrators do a better job of educating new hires on what type of behavior between students and teachers is acceptable and draft strict guidelines explaining unacceptable behaviors.

Many schools in East Central Indiana brief new hires on topics such as hugging and the importance of limiting closed-door meetings and after-school activities when just one student is involved.

"You're in a profession that wants to show compassion," said Philip Wray, superintendent of Randolph Central Schools, which saw a teacher arrested on sex-related charges last month. "You basically tell your teachers your safest bet is to never touch a child."

http://www.thestarpress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/.../602100319/1002

ECI teachers facing sex allegations


Jason G. Brooks
Age: 30.
Criminal charges: Three counts of sexual misconduct with a minor, a class B felony.
School: Montpelier School.
Subject: Seventh and eighth grade social studies.
Experience: One year with Blackford County Schools.
Date of arrest: June 2, 2005.
Trial date: May 16.

Greg W. Hemmelgarn
Age: 31.
Criminal charges: One count child seduction and two counts disseminating matter harmful to a minor, all class D felonies.
School: East Jay Middle School.
Subject: Sixth grade social studies.
Experience: Six years with Jay School Corp.
Date of arrest: Jan. 13.
Trial date: Not yet scheduled.

Bruce A. Lake
Age: 58.
Criminal charges: Two counts of sexual misconduct with a minor, a class C felony.
School: Driver Middle School.
Subject: Industrial technology.
Experience: Eleven years with Randolph Central Schools.
Date of arrest: Jan. 31.
Trial date: Not yet scheduled, initial hearing set for Feb. 16.



davis¹³
Ahhhh yes, the new Republican scare issue. Accuse others of being soft on criminal sexual behavior. It's not true of course but they'll use it like they used homophobia with gay marriage.

I read about it last year.


Anything to win.
Bee
QUOTE(gtessex @ Feb 8 2006, 01:09 PM) [snapback]182938[/snapback]

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU???????????????????? mad.gif

There is no way in hell that I am mistreating little Beeze!

I am just pointing out a.....PLAIN FACT!!!!!

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY THAT VERMONT'S EDUCATIONAL BUDGET HAS ANYTHING TO DO WHAT SO EVER WITH WHAT I WAS TRYING TO POINT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And FYI, if the feds wanted to raise TAXES and Vermont got more money to fund education, you better fracking believe that it would....NOT change the states budget for funding education because these fracking
lefties would take that money and spend it foolishly like they normally do.

Here is the fracking article.....AGAIN!

Please read it over and over and over until you understand it....and for once stop being such an idiot!

THANK YOU! mad.gif
http://www.freedomworks.org/informed/issue...p?issue_id=2335


Calm down GT. This is what I commented on in your article:

QUOTE(gtessex @ Feb 7 2006, 01:06 PM) [snapback]182708[/snapback]

To even consider doing this at a time when Vermonters are painfully aware that property taxes are increasing enough on their own is totally out of touch with the reality./informed/issue...


Why are property taxes "increasing on their own?" I understand that wasn't the point you were trying to make, but it was the point I was making.

I think it is also worth noting that it isn't more nmoney for existing educational levels but expanded ones and as the gubmint actually does a good job at that (i.e. HeadStart) it isn't a bad idea. At all.

The Majors criticism of "throwing more money" at the problem is irrelevant to "what you're arguing" which is that expanding the education system to better prepare kids, as well as help working parents with daycare expenses, is stupid.

I don't think you're really thinking this through. It's an investemnt in the future and relief for working parents. Not stupid. Nor was my remark. I am allowed to make points too, ya know.
davis¹³
nuh uh
gtessex
QUOTE(Bee @ Feb 10 2006, 11:23 AM) [snapback]183502[/snapback]

Why are property taxes "increasing on their own?" I understand that wasn't the point you were trying to make, but it was the point I was making.

I think it is also worth noting that it isn't more nmoney for existing educational levels but expanded ones and as the gubmint actually does a good job at that (i.e. HeadStart) it isn't a bad idea. At all.

The Majors criticism of "throwing more money" at the problem is irrelevant to "what you're arguing" which is that expanding the education system to better prepare kids, as well as help working parents with daycare expenses, is stupid.

I don't think you're really thinking this through. It's an investemnt in the future and relief for working parents. Not stupid. Nor was my remark. I am allowed to make points too, ya know.


Property taxes increase on their own based on increases in school budgets.

School budgets increase due to inflation, energy cost increases, teacher salary & benefit increases. The school budget increases......The property taxes have to be increased to pay for the school budget increases. Simple equation. The money comes from nowhere's else except property taxes and the tri-state lottery.

The point is.....The property tax is a very regressive tax that effects not only rich property owners but those who are classified as poor & those living on fixed incomes. My town, which will be reappraised this year, most likely will mean that property taxes in year 2007 will go up a MINIMUM OF 12%, that doesn't even take into account an increase of an assumed school budget increase let alone what the increase would be if the state legislature would add another two grade levels to the education budget!

One thing that has been lacking in this state for quite sometime is weighing the costs of a program to the benefits. There has been a complete lack of any thought in this state's legislature when passing bills, how this programs get financed and how it effects the taxpayers.

It makes no sense to have a guvmint run educational system for 3-4 year olds, when the currently we as taxpayers can't afford to pay for K-12. For many of the working poor now who own property, the well has run dry, and you favor placing more burden on the working poor?


davis¹³
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For many of the working poor now who own property, the well has run dry, and you favor placing more burden on the working poor?


pulleeaseeee. That's good. You know for a fact she isn't for poor shouldering more of the burden.
gtessex
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Feb 10 2006, 01:47 PM) [snapback]183553[/snapback]

pulleeaseeee. That's good. You know for a fact she isn't for poor shouldering more of the burden.


Maybe Bee, didn't mean that intentionally, but adding another two grade levels to the public school system that would cost the taxpayers an additional $40-75 million dollars a year to finance it, would definitely do that!
davis¹³
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Nomarchy
QUOTE(gtessex @ Feb 10 2006, 11:00 AM) [snapback]183557[/snapback]

Maybe Bee, didn't mean that intentionally, but adding another two grade levels to the public school system that would cost the taxpayers an additional $40-75 million dollars a year to finance it, would definitely do that!


Have you come up with any alternative, politically palatable/doable ways of financing public schools, gt?

Would you be supportive of graduated and 'progressive' property taxes, and re-allocation of locally-raised property taxes around according to need?
Bee
QUOTE(gtessex @ Feb 10 2006, 12:32 PM) [snapback]183528[/snapback]

Property taxes increase on their own based on increases in school budgets.

School budgets increase due to inflation, energy cost increases, teacher salary & benefit increases. The school budget increases......The property taxes have to be increased to pay for the school budget increases. Simple equation. The money comes from nowhere's else except property taxes and the tri-state lottery.

The point is.....The property tax is a very regressive tax that effects not only rich property owners but those who are classified as poor & those living on fixed incomes. My town, which will be reappraised this year, most likely will mean that property taxes in year 2007 will go up a MINIMUM OF 12%, that doesn't even take into account an increase of an assumed school budget increase let alone what the increase would be if the state legislature would add another two grade levels to the education budget!

One thing that has been lacking in this state for quite sometime is weighing the costs of a program to the benefits. There has been a complete lack of any thought in this state's legislature when passing bills, how this programs get financed and how it effects the taxpayers.

It makes no sense to have a guvmint run educational system for 3-4 year olds, when the currently we as taxpayers can't afford to pay for K-12. For many of the working poor now who own property, the well has run dry, and you favor placing more burden on the working poor?


I've read the lottery is also a regressive tpye of thing as well. The poor tend to buy lottery tickets more than any other group. I guess one can't really blame then. $2.00 is a cheap price to pay for a little hope.

Unfunded Federal Mandates have no impact on education budgets? I think they do. My state was one of several sueing the Feds over the underfunded "NCLB" Federal Mandate. I think to be fair you need to take those into account as well.

As far as Vermont not being able to afford publically funded Pre-K education, I'm wondering what cost people are paying for daycare in that age group. I know the women I work with who have Children in daycare struggle with that. It isn't cheap, and good Pre-K care makes a big difference in how well the children do when they enter Kindergarten.

I certainly am not for increasing property taxes on poor households. I am for aiding the poor and working poor with safe reliable daycare that would go a long way to aid their budgets and peace of mind.

I'll have to do more research before I can agree with you GT. But I will take what you are saying under advisement, truly. Is that fair enough?
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Feb 10 2006, 02:37 PM) [snapback]183571[/snapback]

Have you come up with any alternative, politically palatable/doable ways of financing public schools, gt?

Would you be supportive of graduated and 'progressive' property taxes, and re-allocation of locally-raised property taxes around according to need?


Why couldn't we have corporate sponsored schools. Maybe they could have corporate discount stores too.
gtessex
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Feb 10 2006, 03:37 PM) [snapback]183571[/snapback]

Have you come up with any alternative, politically palatable/doable ways of financing public schools, gt?

Would you be supportive of graduated and 'progressive' property taxes, and re-allocation of locally-raised property taxes around according to need?


First.....I wanna try to keep the politics out of education.

As for me coming up with ideas, it would have to include taking away from one type of tax and increasing another type of tax. They certainly have thought about it here, but the state legislature is as lost on the solution as I am, since the state ranks near the top of per capita taxes as is stands now.

As for your second question, I'll let you read through a couple of links where a law called act 60 was put into place in 1997.

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Act 60, also known as the Equal Educational Opportunity Act, was signed into law in June 1997. The Legislature drafted the law in response to a Vermont Supreme Court decision that said Vermont’s existing educational funding system was unconstitutional. The court, in Brigham v. State of Vermont, concluded that the state must provide "substantially equal access" to education for all Vermont students, regardless of where they reside.

http://www.state.vt.us/educ/new/html/laws/act60.html

That law was amended in 2003 by Act 68
http://www.state.vt.us/educ/new/html/laws/act68.html

IMHO, for what it's worth......the equality of education within the state has improved, but not without the creation of many problems, the system is highly complex, created a bureacracy in Montpelier to administer the damn thing and certainly hasn't cut down on property taxes. In fact, they have rapidly increased since Act 68 was in-acted.

I wanna point out that there is prebate and/or rebate program in effect that takes into account gross income levels. Low income property owners will get a taxbreak. However if property taxes continue to rise, tax rebate or not even the poor end up paying additional property taxes.

At my income level, I get very little back in the way of a rebate. Once the town reappraises, and values adjusted accordingly, I am looking at a $5000+/year property tax bill. That's on a 28'X48' single story ranch sitting on 3 acres.

MY SOLUTION! Sell the place and move to Utah. ohmy.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
beasty
You could even pick up a couple more wives to help out with the housework.
Chris
Monopolies always give you more for less. When the government has a monopoly on schools, there is not incentive to give better 'service' (education) cut costs (eliminate over-paid administrators) and be more responsible. The original idea of have schools controlled at the local level aligns the school with the community mores, but this wide-spread Federal involvement has deteriorated the system and raised the cost.
gtessex
QUOTE(Bee @ Feb 10 2006, 05:10 PM) [snapback]183605[/snapback]

I've read the lottery is also a regressive tpye of thing as well. The poor tend to buy lottery tickets more than any other group. I guess one can't really blame then. $2.00 is a cheap price to pay for a little hope.

Unfunded Federal Mandates have no impact on education budgets? I think they do. My state was one of several sueing the Feds over the underfunded "NCLB" Federal Mandate. I think to be fair you need to take those into account as well.

As far as Vermont not being able to afford publically funded Pre-K education, I'm wondering what cost people are paying for daycare in that age group. I know the women I work with who have Children in daycare struggle with that. It isn't cheap, and good Pre-K care makes a big difference in how well the children do when they enter Kindergarten.

I certainly am not for increasing property taxes on poor households. I am for aiding the poor and working poor with safe reliable daycare that would go a long way to aid their budgets and peace of mind.

I'll have to do more research before I can agree with you GT. But I will take what you are saying under advisement, truly. Is that fair enough?


I certainly agree that the lottery is a regressive method of raising money. I seldom play the lottery. I much rather play in the stock market, although this week I 'bought the wrong tickets'. sad.gif
...But unless you sell, you don't lose...and there is always next week! smile.gif

I am not sure how the pre-K system currently works here. I believe it mostly private. I remember when my child was 4, we sent him to a private preschool, but it was only a half day session. I can't remember the costs, but it wasn't that bad back then.

Personally, I see no advantage of starting out 3 year olds in preschool. The half day for a 4 year old IMHO is plenty for kids of that age.

I just read back through your message. I sometimes get confused between how Pre-school and daycare is defined.

From my experience, my child's Pre-school was run by a qualified teacher. Our daycare system here is licensed by the state and the daycare providers (all private I believe) have to follow some strict guildlines. The purpose of daycare is so the kids can learn social skills by being with kids their age, although the ages can have a vary by several years. Some daycare providers may or may not include some actual learning skills. In my own experience with daycare providers...it was just play time for my kid.

Daycare can certainly be expense, but there are also tax write offs available. The cost of raising kids is not cheap, but you just can't place the whole system on the backs of the taxpayers.


QUOTE(beasty @ Feb 10 2006, 05:22 PM) [snapback]183611[/snapback]

You could even pick up a couple more wives to help out with the housework.


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If they are cute.......they won't be doing the housework! wink.gif
Tom Servo
QUOTE(Chris @ Feb 10 2006, 05:30 PM) [snapback]183613[/snapback]

Monopolies always give you more for less. When the government has a monopoly on schools, there is not incentive to give better 'service' (education) cut costs (eliminate over-paid administrators) and be more responsible. The original idea of have schools controlled at the local level aligns the school with the community mores, but this wide-spread Federal involvement has deteriorated the system and raised the cost.
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http://www.sepschool.org/
Bee
QUOTE(Chris @ Feb 10 2006, 10:45 AM) [snapback]183489[/snapback]

Almost one in 10 students in grades 8 to 11 experience some form of unwanted sexual misconduct from a teacher, according to a survey by Hofstra University professor Charol Shakeshaft, the results of which were released in a 2004 Department of Education report. The study defined sexual misconduct in 14 behaviors ranging from inappropriate (making sexual comments and jokes) to criminal (forced sex).

Based on that study, more than 4.5 million students experience sexual misconduct from a school employee sometime between kindergarten and high school graduation.

Critics of the study, including the National Education Association, said the study undermined confidence in public schools by lumping harassment together with serious sex crimes.



"Including the NEA?"

Try the DoE itself. That study was useless because it limped together "inappropriate jokes" with actual criminal behavior.

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Preface
Educator Sexual Misconduct: A Synthesis of Existing Literature

Any adult misconduct or sexual abuse in schools is of grave concern to students, parents, educators, and the Department of Education. This literature review of sexual abuse and sexual misconduct responds to the mandate in Section 5414 of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965 (ESEA), as amended, to conduct a study of sexual abuse in U.S. schools. To satisfy this mandate, the Department of Education contracted with Dr. Charol Shakeshaft of Hofstra University. Using the limited research that is available in this area, her literature review describes, among other topics: prevalence of educator sexual misconduct, offender characteristics, targets of educator sexual misconduct, and recommendations for prevention of educator sexual misconduct. We note that the author offers several new recommendations that may be worth considering, although some may be at odds with current law.

Although the author's findings are in part broader than the congressional mandate and therefore could be perceived by some as insufficiently focused, we believe that sexual misconduct in whatever form it takes is a serious problem in our nation's schools and one about which parents and taxpayers have a right to be informed. The Department of Education is currently investigating ways to obtain more reliable evidence on the extent of sexual abuse in schools.

It is important to note some of the Department's reservations about the findings in the literature review. Specifically, the author focuses in large measure on a broad set of inappropriate behaviors designated as "sexual misconduct," rather than "sexual abuse," which is the term used in the statute. Specifically, section 5414(a)(3) of the ESEA requires the Secretary of Education to conduct "[a] study regarding the prevalence of sexual abuse in schools. . . ." (emphasis added) The distinction between "sexual misconduct" and "sexual abuse" is significant in legal and other terms. However, both are of concern to parents and the Department.

The author's use of the two words interchangeably throughout the report is potentially confusing to the reader. Federal law gives separate and specific meaning to the words "sexual abuse," and such words should not be confused with the broader, more general concept of "sexual misconduct." Specifically, "sexual abuse" has been a defined term for over 17 years [18 U.S.C. § 2242]. It involves an act where one knowingly "causes another person to engage in a sexual act by threatening or placing that other person in fear. . ." or "engages in a sexual act with another person if that other person is--(A) incapable of appraising the nature of the conduct; or (cool.gif physically incapable of declining participation in, or communicating unwillingness to engage in, that sexual act. . . ." Id. "Sexual abuse" carries a penalty of a fine or imprisonment for not more than 20 years, or both. Id.[/b]

Finally, despite some of the above reservations about this study, the Department believes that this topic is of critical importance and that releasing the report is clearly in the public's interest. The overwhelming majority of America's educators are true professionals doing what might be called the "essential" work of democracy. The vast majority of schools in America are safe places. Nevertheless, we must be willing to confront the issues that are explored in this study. We must all expand our efforts to ensure that children have safe and secure learning communities that engender public confidence.

Eugene W. Hickok
Deputy Secretary



Read it yourself. Here: http://www.ed.gov/rschstat/research/pubs/m...view/report.pdf

This wasn't a study per se, but a "lterature review" culled from the United States, the U.K. and Canada. As research it's garbage.
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Thus newspaper accounts of sexual abuse by school personnel are among the few sources of information about the issue. Although these accounts can be helpful in understanding community reactions to a given case and in explaining some of the behavior of school employees, they do not always meet the highest standards of investigative reporting. The problem is further complicated by the fact that follow-up articles are rarely printed. We end up knowing very little about what really happens in schools.
http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&se=gglsc&d=5000279526


And if you read her report, you'll see that she has wasted taxpayer dollars on merely muddying the waters and not actually answering any questions.

As an exercise in mud-slinging, it's pretty good, though.
gtessex
QUOTE(Bee @ Feb 10 2006, 05:53 PM) [snapback]183625[/snapback]

Try the DoE itself. That study was useless because it limped together "inappropriate jokes" with actual criminal behavior.


On this I have to agree with you.

Makes no sense to lump tasteless jokes in with criminal behavior such as rape!

It's getting to be just as bad in the workplace. Sexual harrassment is taken very seriously.
So you gotta be carefully what you say and do around members of the opposite sex...even
the ones you....THINK you know. I know my days of slapping a female on the ass is over. rolleyes.gif ohmy.gif laugh.gif

But it's still OK to do it with a member of the same sex! ohmy.gif

There's something wrong with this picture! biggrin.gif
davis¹³
QUOTE(beasty @ Feb 10 2006, 04:22 PM) [snapback]183611[/snapback]

You could even pick up a couple more wives to help out with the housework.



budda bump! laugh.gif

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But it's still OK to do it with a member of the same sex!


Does your dental plan cover partials?
gtessex
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Feb 10 2006, 07:14 PM) [snapback]183655[/snapback]

budda bump! laugh.gif
Does your dental plan cover partials?


Have no fear......I have no desire to slap a guy on the ass.
A women on the other hand...................... biggrin.gif
judy

The Professors:

The 101 Most Dangerous Academics in America
by David Horowitz

Remember Ward Churchill, the Colorado professor who compared the victims of 9/11 to Nazis and said they deserved what they got? Well, he's just the tip of the iceberg.

In fact, writes bestselling author and academic reformer David Horowitz, radical professors like Churchill aren't the exception at American colleges and universities -- they're legion.

David Horowitz's riveting exposé is essential reading for parents, students, college alums, taxpayers, and patriotic Americans who don't think college students should be indoctrinated by radicals opposed to everything that sustains our nation and our civilization.

Now, in The Professors, Horowitz blows the cover off 101 university professors -- representative of thousands more that teach our young people -- who:
    Preach violent anti-Americanism and anti-Semitism

    Say they want to kill white people

    Cheer on the killing of American soldiers

    Promote the views of the Iranian mullahs

    Support Osama bin Laden

    Lament the demise of the Soviet Union

    Defend pedophilia

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Grigorii
QUOTE(judy @ Feb 14 2006, 01:05 PM) [snapback]184567[/snapback]


The Professors:

The 101 Most Dangerous Academics in America
by David Horowitz

Remember Ward Churchill, the Colorado professor who compared the victims of 9/11 to Nazis and said they deserved what they got? Well, he's just the tip of the iceberg.

In fact, writes bestselling author and academic reformer David Horowitz, radical professors like Churchill aren't the exception at American colleges and universities -- they're legion.

David Horowitz's riveting exposé is essential reading for parents, students, college alums, taxpayers, and patriotic Americans who don't think college students should be indoctrinated by radicals opposed to everything that sustains our nation and our civilization.

Now, in The Professors, Horowitz blows the cover off 101 university professors -- representative of thousands more that teach our young people -- who:
    Preach violent anti-Americanism and anti-Semitism

    Say they want to kill white people

    Cheer on the killing of American soldiers

    Promote the views of the Iranian mullahs

    Support Osama bin Laden

    Lament the demise of the Soviet Union

    Defend pedophilia

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Horowitz is really only good a blowing off at the mouth with cheap propaganda. He is the most partisan hack in America today who has been willing be a communist or a conservative, or anything else he thinks necessary to advance his ends. He is completely without character or scruples, and nothing he has to say can be trusted…even when he is the proverbial blind squirrel who finds a nut.
gtessex
QUOTE(Grigorii @ Feb 14 2006, 02:29 PM) [snapback]184580[/snapback]

Horowitz is really only good a blowing off at the mouth with cheap propaganda. He is the most partisan hack in America today who has been willing be a communist or a conservative, or anything else he thinks necessary to advance his ends. He is completely without character or scruples, and nothing he has to say can be trusted…even when he is the proverbial blind squirrel who finds a nut.


Maybe you can start by proving Horowitz's statements.....WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can start with Ward Churchill! wink.gif
davis¹³
Horowitz is as big an arsehole as Ward Churchill. I get his commie baiting email to keep me up on who he wants purged next.
Grigorii
QUOTE(gtessex @ Feb 14 2006, 01:57 PM) [snapback]184583[/snapback]

Maybe you can start by proving Horowitz's statements.....WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can start with Ward Churchill! wink.gif


I'd think that would be unnecessary for anyone well read with an IQ over 110. And again, to another strawman maker; what the eff, beside an overactive imagination, makes you think I value the idiot Ward Churchill. It just is not an either or proposition between those two bigoted big mouths.
davis¹³
QUOTE(Grigorii @ Feb 14 2006, 01:29 PM) [snapback]184580[/snapback]

Horowitz is really only good a blowing off at the mouth with cheap propaganda. He is the most partisan hack in America today who has been willing be a communist or a conservative, or anything else he thinks necessary to advance his ends. He is completely without character or scruples, and nothing he has to say can be trusted…even when he is the proverbial blind squirrel who finds a nut.



He was a communist?
Grigorii
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Feb 14 2006, 02:29 PM) [snapback]184587[/snapback]

He was a communist?


A Trotiskist, and a New Left radical alied with the ROTC building burners in the Nam era...
gtessex
QUOTE(Grigorii @ Feb 14 2006, 03:10 PM) [snapback]184586[/snapback]

I'd think that would be unnecessary for anyone well read with an IQ over 110. And again, to another strawman maker; what the eff, beside an overactive imagination, makes you think I value the idiot Ward Churchill. It just is not an either or proposition between those two bigoted big mouths.


The point I was trying to get across is that Churchill isn't the only idiot that 'running loose' on college and university campuses...and that's most likely what Horowitz's book was trying to explain. I don't care if college professors are liberal or conservative, but when they start using a classroom to advance a radical political agenda....then I have a serious problem with that!
Bee
QUOTE(gtessex @ Feb 15 2006, 07:02 AM) [snapback]184662[/snapback]

The point I was trying to get across is that Churchill isn't the only idiot that 'running loose' on college and university campuses...and that's most likely what Horowitz's book was trying to explain. I don't care if college professors are liberal or conservative, but when they start using a classroom to advance a radical political agenda....then I have a serious problem with that!


Like portraying ID as science?

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Ohio Board Undoes Stand on Evolution

By JODI RUDOREN
Published: February 15, 2006

COLUMBUS, Ohio, Feb. 14 — The Ohio Board of Education voted 11 to 4 Tuesday to toss out a mandate that 10th-grade biology classes include critical analysis of evolution and an accompanying model lesson plan, dealing the intelligent design movement its second serious defeat in two months.

The board, which became the first in the nation to single out evolution for special scrutiny under the academic standards it adopted in 2002, stripped the language from the curriculum partly out of fear of a lawsuit in the wake of a December ruling by a federal judge that teaching intelligent design in the Dover, Pa., public schools was unconstitutional.

While the Ohio lesson plan does not mention intelligent design, which posits that life is too complex to be explained by evolution alone, critics contend that the critical analysis language is simply design in disguise.

"This lesson is bad news, the 'critically analyze' wording is bad news," Martha W. Wise, the board member who offered the emergency motion, told her colleagues during 90 minutes of contentious debate here Tuesday afternoon. "It is deeply unfair to the children of this state to mislead them about the nature of science."

Darwin's defenders celebrated the reversal as a sign of a backlash against the inroads made last year by critics of evolution. But leaders of the Discovery Institute, the intellectual home of intelligent design, warned that Ohio's move would create a backlash of its own.

"It's an outrageous slap in the face to the citizens of Ohio," said John G. West, associate director of the Center for Science and Culture at the institute, referring to several polls that show public support for criticism of evolution in science classes. "The effort to try to suppress ideas that you dislike, to use the government to suppress ideas you dislike, has a failed history," Mr. West said. "Do they really want to be on the side of the people who didn't want to let John Scopes talk or who tried to censor Galileo?"

But Eugenie C. Scott, director of the National Center for Science Education, called the Ohio vote "a significant victory" and said it should give pause to school districts and states considering changes in how evolution is taught.

The Discovery Institute had offered Ohio as a national model for its "teach the controversy" approach on evolution. Kansas, Minnesota, New Mexico and Pennsylvania have adopted similar "critical analysis" standards, and the South Carolina Board of Education is scheduled to vote next month on whether to add a similar phrase to its curriculum guidelines.

"This language from Ohio, the critically-analyze-evolution type language, is sprouting up all over, in both the local level, as well as with other state standards," Ms. Scott said. "The Ohio board has recognized its error, and other school districts should not make that same error."

The model lesson plan is voluntary, and it is unclear how many of Ohio's 613 local school districts use it. At Tuesday's meeting, Robin C. Hovis, a board member who urged its deletion, said that "we allow a Dover risk to remain if we leave this lesson plan on the shelf."

The vote followed Mrs. Wise's failed effort last month to kill the lesson plan, after which Gov. Bob Taft, a Republican, called for a legal review of the lesson in light of the Dover ruling. On Tuesday, a board member who supports the critical-analysis approach tried to pre-empt Mrs. Wise's motion by asking the attorney general to take a formal look, but defenders of evolution prevailed in a parliamentary maneuver.

Michael Cochran, one of four lawyers on the 19-member board, criticized Mrs. Wise's supporters as undoing a lengthy process that had led to adoption of the standards with an emergency motion on an afternoon that four members, three of whom support the lesson, were absent.

"It is absolutely disgraceful that we've had this for three years, and we can't wait another month," Mr. Cochran said. "I think that's by design. Not intelligent design, but by design."

Deborah Owens Fink, who along with Mr. Cochran voted against eliminating the critical-analysis language, said after the meeting that the vote was just another round in the culture war, not a knockout.

"There are no permanent victories in politics," Ms. Fink said. "You do not get paradigm shifts overnight. Whether the ultimate victory is today or it's tomorrow or it's two years from now, people demand that they get open discussion of this issue."
gtessex
QUOTE(Bee @ Feb 15 2006, 08:21 AM) [snapback]184681[/snapback]

Like portraying ID as science?


I haven't even taken a position on 'ID', but certainly have
on politics of any kind effecting public education!
davis¹³
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I don't care if college professors are liberal or conservative, but when they start using a classroom to advance a radical political agenda....then I have a serious problem with that!


liar. Horowitz is another radical rightwing zealot who wants to control EVERYTHING. When does he start burning books?

QUOTE(gtessex @ Feb 15 2006, 07:31 AM) [snapback]184684[/snapback]

I haven't even taken a position on 'ID', but certainly have
on politics of any kind effecting public education!



Well you are so god damned concerned about leftwing indoctrination... what about RIGHTWING INDOCTRINATION?? THAT'S what your buddy Horrorwitz wants. ID, prayer in school, the whole 9 yards. You think zealots like him would stop with controlling the college educators?? lol.


Pull your head out of your arse and SEE what you forks are demanding.

You say one thing and do another.
gtessex
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Feb 15 2006, 09:25 AM) [snapback]184693[/snapback]

liar. Horowitz is another radical rightwing zealot who wants to control EVERYTHING. When does he start burning books?
Well you are so god damned concerned about leftwing indoctrination... what about RIGHTWING INDOCTRINATION?? THAT'S what your buddy Horrorwitz wants. ID, prayer in school, the whole 9 yards. You think zealots like him would stop with controlling the college educators?? lol.
Pull your head out of your arse and SEE what you forks are demanding.

You say one thing and do another.


Oh FO!!!!! mad.gif

Yah.....Prayer in school......Bad.Bad.Bad....
I remember throughout grade school saying a prayer before classes begin...and it never killed anyone.
Now with you secular lefties.....bad...bad....bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
davis¹³
QUOTE(gtessex @ Feb 15 2006, 09:44 AM) [snapback]184711[/snapback]

Oh FO!!!!! mad.gif

Yah.....Prayer in school......Bad.Bad.Bad....
I remember throughout grade school saying a prayer before classes begin...and it never killed anyone.
Now with you secular lefties.....bad...bad....bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



I see you've come full circle.

Good man.

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I don't care if college professors are liberal or conservative,


Liar.
Nomarchy
QUOTE(gtessex @ Feb 15 2006, 04:02 AM) [snapback]184662[/snapback]

The point I was trying to get across is that Churchill isn't the only idiot that 'running loose' on college and university campuses...and that's most likely what Horowitz's book was trying to explain. I don't care if college professors are liberal or conservative, but when they start using a classroom to advance a radical political agenda....then I have a serious problem with that!


Not enough. College instructors ought not "advance ANY political agenda". The only "agenda" that college instructors ought to advance is that of "critical disciplined enquiry" (critical doesn't mean that it has to criticize -- the term refers to the basic Englightenment value of 'skeptical daring to know and using that knowledge').

What Horowitz is doing is not very different than what coaches of sports teams have been doing for decades in order to effect a favorable-to-their-teams-and-players change in how referees 'call' games. If your team is full of 'brutes', you're going to start talking about how referees are taking the 'fun' and 'excitement' out of the game, how they're turning it into a game for 'weaklings', etc. If your team is high on fine technique and coordination but a bit low on strength, etc. you're going to start talking about how referees ought to protect the value of the game itself, prevent season- or career-ending injuries, etc.

The whole point is to change the 'game' at the margins, and to put a little 'second thought' in the referees' minds.

Had Horowitz and his outfit been championing the separation of 'science' (in the sense of disciplined enquiry) vs 'politics' as a vocation it would be clearly demonstrable in practice. He's free to write any books he wants, and to seek to bring pressure in this or that direction. Still, this doesn't mean that he's right.
gtessex
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Feb 15 2006, 11:21 AM) [snapback]184720[/snapback]

Liar.


What did I just say????????????????

If I said it, then I stand by it!


QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Feb 15 2006, 11:46 AM) [snapback]184725[/snapback]

Not enough. College instructors ought not "advance ANY political agenda". The only "agenda" that college instructors ought to advance is that of "critical disciplined enquiry" (critical doesn't mean that it has to criticize -- the term refers to the basic Englightenment value of 'skeptical daring to know and using that knowledge').

What Horowitz is doing is not very different than what coaches of sports teams have been doing for decades in order to effect a favorable-to-their-teams-and-players change in how referees 'call' games. If your team is full of 'brutes', you're going to start talking about how referees are taking the 'fun' and 'excitement' out of the game, how they're turning it into a game for 'weaklings', etc. If your team is high on fine technique and coordination but a bit low on strength, etc. you're going to start talking about how referees ought to protect the value of the game itself, prevent season- or career-ending injuries, etc.

The whole point is to change the 'game' at the margins, and to put a little 'second thought' in the referees' minds.

Had Horowitz and his outfit been championing the separation of 'science' (in the sense of disciplined enquiry) vs 'politics' as a vocation it would be clearly demonstrable in practice. He's free to write any books he wants, and to seek to bring pressure in this or that direction. Still, this doesn't mean that he's right.


Fair enough!
judy
ON THIN ICE
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Education reformers are in the midst of a fierce debate over school vouchers and the future of public education in the U.S. — but the American people haven't joined them yet.

On Thin Ice, the latest in a series of Public Agenda surveys on education, is to our knowledge the most comprehensive examination of national attitudes about alternatives to public schools. We attempt to identify where the public's voice is clear, where it is uncertain, and where it is so muddled that it can give little reliable direction. School reformers, educators and policy makers should take careful heed: to predict the outcome of this debate by relying on public attitudes as they now stand is to skate on extremely thin ice.

It isn't that people are undecided as much as that they are unaware. The vast majority of the public knows very little about school vouchers, charter schools or for-profit schools. This lack of familiarity extends to both parents and nonparents, ordinary citizens and local civic leaders, and cuts across all lines of geography and demographics. With minor differences, it even extends to parents in areas where vouchers or charter schools have been in place for some time — Cleveland, Milwaukee, Michigan and Arizona.

Of course, it's quite common to find that the general public has less technical information on an issue than experts and policy makers. Often, however, the public has a firm grasp of the values that underlie a policy option. In the case of vouchers, we found that even the concept of using free market competition to improve schools was unfamiliar to most people. That does not mean that the public is satisfied with the current system or rejects the idea of vouchers. But most people are quite open in admitting they need to know more before making any decision.

The public's lack of focus does not mean that people don't care about how this debate is resolved or that their concerns do not merit consideration. In fact, this research suggests a challenging job for leaders in education, politics and the news media — bringing the debate to communities and families nationwide. This is no small task, but it is of fundamental importance. Our hope at Public Agenda is that On Thin Ice can serve as a guidepost for those who recognize the public's stake in this debate and are willing to "walk the extra mile" to invite the American people to join in it. Click Here

Teacher's Unions, ACLU, People for American Way, American's United for Separation of Church & State and every left wing group have united to prevent school vouchers.
judy
Cleveland’s School Voucher Program:
The Politics and the Law
On Principle, v6n1


A legal challenge to the Cleveland school voucher program is currently pending before the Ohio Supreme Court. This article attempts to clarify issues involved in this legal challenge, and to voucher programs generally.


The Background


Cleveland, like most major cities in America, suffers from a failing public education system. Despite spending $6,195 per pupil in 1995—sixteen percent more than the state average—the Cleveland City School District’s (CCSD) performance was abysmal. The dropout rate was more than twice the state average; only nine percent of Cleveland ninth graders passed a basic proficiency test; students were statistically more likely to become victims of crime than to graduate on time with basic proficiency. The district’s debt-to-revenue ratio was a crippling twenty-five percent, making it the hands-down debt leader in the state. The Auditor of the State of Ohio declared that "the educational delivery system is not accomplishing its purpose," and a federal judge ordered the state superintendent of education to assume control of CCSD’s finances and administration. In short, Cleveland spent a tremendous amount of money on public education, yet failed to produce educated students.

To address this crisis, the legislature chose to take drastic action: it enacted a school choice program. The program grants parents selected by lottery a maximum of $2,250 to send their K-3 child to their choice of approved private schools within the Cleveland district, or to participating public schools in adjacent districts. The program also provides that an equal number of $500 grants for tutoring service be offered to public school students within the district.

The response was overwhelming. The state received over 6,400 applications, and granted almost 2,000 scholarships. Over fifty private schools registered to participate in the program, including Protestant, Catholic, Muslim, and non-sectarian schools, however no adjacent public schools chose to participate.

The initial results of the Cleveland experiment are promising. A study conducted by Professors Jay P. Greene of the University of Texas at Austin, William G. Howell of Stanford University, and Paul E. Peterson of Harvard University analyzed parent satisfaction and student performance in the first year of the program, comparing students who received scholarships to those who applied for scholarships but did not enroll in the program. Voucher parents were more satisfied than public school parents in every category, including academic quality, safety, discipline, class size, and the teaching of moral values. In standardized tests, voucher students decreased five percentile points in verbal skills compared to the national norm, but increased a dynamic fifteen percentile points in math and five percentile points in reading. In comparison to Cleveland public schools, voucher schools educated poorer children, cost the taxpayers less money, offered a safer learning environment, and achieve d quantifiable academic improvement.

The results reported by professors Green, Howell, and Peterson almost did not come to pass. Before the state fully implemented the program, taxpayers and a teachers union filed a legal challenge claiming the use of public funds for sectarian education violated the religion clauses of the state and federal constitutions. On July 31, 1996, Judge Lisa Sadler of the Franklin County, Ohio Court of Common Pleas ruled the program constitutional. On appeal, however, a three judge panel ruled the program unconstitutional. The case is currently on appeal before the Ohio Supreme Court, and will almost certainly be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court. Whether at the Ohio or U.S. Supreme Court, the case promises to set a major precedent on the constitutionality of school choice programs that include sectarian schools.


The Politics of Interest

Like most major lawsuits, the Cleveland case brings together a variety of interest groups, including the ACLU, People for the American Way, and Americans United for the Separation of Church and State. Of the groups involved in the case, however, none has had more influence than the teachers unions. The Ohio Federation of Teachers (OFT) is a named plaintiff in the case; OFT’s national parent organization, the American Federation of Teachers, produced a skewed study attempting to malign the effectiveness of the Cleveland voucher program; an attorney from the Ohio Education Association (OEA) is serving as counsel in the case; and attorneys from the National Education Association (NEA) are providing significant legal assistance. This does not account for union activity aimed at preventing the passage of the voucher program in the first place.

Cleveland’s story is just one of many. Unions have mounted similar opposition to school choice programs and initiatives across the nation. The only other city to experiment with school choice—Milwaukee—has been deluged by union cash and lawyers opposing the program. In California, unions increased dues to collect the more than $20 million used to defeat a state school choice initiative. Unions lobbied extensively and successfully to defeat D.C. voucher legislation before Congress, despite D.C. public schools’ frequent and extended closures due to unsafe conditions, failure to teach basic skills, pervasive mismanagement and lack of supervision exemplified by fourth graders performing group sex acts on school property, and operating costs exceeding $9,000 per pupil per year.

Given the grave state of education in America’s largest cities, why do unions vehemently oppose school choice? The answer is not found in their legal briefs, which argue against public funds for sectarian institutions. Union opposition to private vouchers in New Jersey make this clear. Rather, the answer arises from NLRB v. Catholic Bishop of Chicago, a 1979 case in which the Supreme Court declared that schools operated by churches to teach both religious and secular subjects are not within the jurisdiction of the National Labor Relations Act. Accordingly, church-run schools need not recognize unions as exclusive bargaining agents for their teachers.
    Teachers unions receive significant benefits from exclusive bargaining status. Thirty-four states allow "union shops," under which teachers are required to pay union dues as a term of employment. Teachers’ unions flourish from such practices, both in membership and revenues. The National Education Association (NEA) is the largest labor union in the United States with 2.3 million members, and the American Federation of Teachers (AFT) boasts 940,000 members. Myron Lieberman of Bowling Green State University estimates that local, state, and national teachers unions collect $1.3 billion in dues annually, not including money controlled by their political action committees.

If school choice proposals are implemented and upheld by the courts, membership and dues would necessarily decline as students and teachers shift to sectarian schools that are virtually immune to unionization. Union opposition to school choice is simply an effort to maintain a collective bargaining monopoly, even if that monopoly comes at the expense of children’s education.


The Law

While there are other less significant claims raised in the lawsuit, the core legal question is whether the Cleveland program violates the religion clauses of the Ohio and U.S. Constitutions. Both the trial and appellate courts declared the religion provisions of the Ohio Constitution to be coextensive to those in the U.S. Constitution, thus limiting necessary inquiry to the U.S. Constitution. Due to the supremacy of the U.S. Constitution, I will focus on its requirements, however, I note that a careful reading of Article I, Section 7 of the Ohio Constitution suggests an affirmative duty on the part of the state assembly to encourage sectarian education.

The religion clause of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
This brief section of the First Amendment contains the core of the Constitution’s explicit guarantees of religious freedom: freedom to practice the religion of one’s own choosing, and freedom from government establishment of religion. It is from the phrase, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion," commonly referred to as the Establishment Clause, that the legal basis for the separation of church and state is found, and it is this phrase that is source of the legal controversy in the Cleveland case.

Despite the apparent clarity of the phrase, the Establishment Clause continues to be one of the most fervently debated sections of the Constitution. While there is general agreement that the government may not create a formal establishment by recognizing a state church, taxing citizens to support churches, or requiring church membership, broad consensus ends there. Views on the Establishment Clause range from strict separationists, who believe that even incidental aid to or recognition of religion by government violates the Establishment Clause, to accommodationists, who believe that government should act according to the religious character of the people, and that non-preferential aid to religion does not constitute an establishment of religion.

The current debate over the Establishment Clause is relatively new. It was not until 1947 in the case of Everson v. Board of Education that the U.S. Supreme Court incorporated, or applied the Establishment Clause to the states through the Fourteenth Amendment. Prior to Everson, the Establishment Clause only applied—as the clause explicitly says—to Congress. Everson also marked the first major attempt by the Court to define what the Establishment Clause means. The Court declared that beyond merely prohibiting state churches, the clause means that "[n]o tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever form they may adopt to teach or practice religion."

The question begged by Everson and its progeny, and the core question in a legal analysis of school vouchers, is whether neutral aid to religion is permissible. In an era of expansive government programs, are religious institutions and individuals foreclosed from participation in general programs or receipt of general benefits simply because of religious character?

A series of recent U.S. Supreme Court decisions indicate that the neutral allocation of benefits to religious individuals or institutions can withstand judicial scrutiny. In Witters v. Washington Dept. of Services For Blind (1986), the Supreme Court declared that a student’s use a general state education subsidy for the blind to attend Bible college did not violate the Establishment Clause. The Court continued this neutral benefits reasoning in Zobrest v. Catalina School District (1993), in which it found that a deaf student could not be denied access to a program providing government funded interpreters based upon the student’s attendance at a parochial school. In Rosenberger v. The Rector and Visitors of the University of Virginia (1995), the Court ruled that a student group could not be excluded from a general student activity fund solely because of the group’s religious viewpoint. Finally, in the 1997 case of Agostini v. Felton, the Supreme Court o verruled a previous decision, finding that a general remedial education program is permissible on sectarian school campuses. In so doing, the Court declared its departure from the rule "that all government aid that directly aids the educational function of religious schools is invalid."

While these cases provide promise for the legal prospects of voucher programs, they should not be mistaken for acceptance of all neutral aid programs by the Court. The Court still contends that the permissibility of neutral aid to sectarian institutions hinges upon the nature of the aid, particularly whether the aid is direct or indirect. Fundamental to the direct versus indirect question is whether the beneficiary of the program is an institution or an individual. Simply assuring that an individual receives the check is not sufficient, however. The Court also requires that the individual have genuine, independent choice.


The Case

The appellate court found the Cleveland voucher program favored sectarian education, and therefore failed to pass constitutional muster. Specifically, the Court questioned whether the program allowed genuine, independent choice, based upon the lack of participation by adjacent public school systems, the sectarian status of the majority of the private schools, the comparatively lower value of the tutorial grants, and the abysmal state of Cleveland public education, all of which contributed to an improper incentive for religious education.

The facts, however, contradict this conclusion. Financially, voucher parents must still contribute ten percent of the value of the private education from their own pockets or by performing service at the schools. Public schools, by contrast, offer free education. While the majority of the schools participating are sectarian, a significant number of students—approximately 450—chose to attend non-sectarian private schools, indicating that significant non-sectarian options existed. While the tutorial grants are only worth about $500, the total taxpayer funded benefit given to public school students receiving such grants totals almost $6,700. The maximum a voucher child can receive, however, is only $2,250. Finally, the argument that poor educational conditions at Cleveland public schools prohibit the utilization of vouchers because rational parents will choose to send their children to better schools that might be sectarian defies logic. The sectarian schools are included in the progr am because they perform a vital, secular function: basic education. Parents may choose to send their children to religious schools because they rationally believe the religious schools better perform this secular function without raising the specter constitutional injury.

The Cleveland voucher program meets the requirements enumerated by the Court for neutral aid to sectarian institutions. First, the program is neutral: it allows parents to use vouchers for any private schools or adjacent public schools registered for the program without regard to the sectarian or secular status of the institution. The purpose of the program is not to promote religion, but rather to promote the secular interest of educating the children of Cleveland. Second, the state does not grant aid directly to sectarian institutions, but rather gives a voucher to parents, who sign the voucher over to the school of their choice. In this respect, the program is analogous to the program upheld in Witters, because no funds reach sectarian institutions but for the choice of individuals. Third, the parents have genuine independent choice. They are free to stay in Cleveland public schools, to use their voucher for non-sectarian or sectarian private schools (or adjacent public schools, should any choose to participate), or to apply for a public school tutorial grant.


Conclusion

The public education system in America is in real trouble. America’s major cities pay too much to produce children who are poorly educated. The Cleveland voucher program is a reasonable attempt to solve this crisis. The vouchers allow the poorest children in the inner-city an opportunity to receive a good education, and permit parents the opportunity to send their children to schools that teach the sort of moral and religious values that have too long been absent in our public schools. This voluntary choice does not violate the Constitution’s Establishment Clause, because the program is neutral and indirect: any benefit flowing to religious institutions arises from genuinely individual choice. While vouchers may not be a panacea for the problems of inner-city education, they are a definite improvement over the degenerating status quo. Click Here


Robert Alt works in the Government Reform Project at The Heritage Foundation, and is an Adjunct Fellow at the Ashbrook Center.


Do the math: Vouchers $2250.00 vs $6195.00 for public school. The Voucher students did better. But It's not about the children..... it's about the teachers and CONTROL!
Carol
QUOTE(judy @ Feb 15 2006, 12:43 PM) [snapback]184744[/snapback]
Cleveland's School Voucher Program:
The Politics and the Law
On Principle, v6n1


A legal challenge to the Cleveland school voucher program is currently pending before the Ohio Supreme Court. This article attempts to clarify issues involved in this legal challenge, and to voucher programs generally.


The Background


Cleveland, like most major cities in America, suffers from a failing public education system. Despite spending $6,195 per pupil in 1995—sixteen percent more than the state average—the Cleveland City School District's (CCSD) performance was abysmal. The dropout rate was more than twice the state average; only nine percent of Cleveland ninth graders passed a basic proficiency test; students were statistically more likely to become victims of crime than to graduate on time with basic proficiency. The district's debt-to-revenue ratio was a crippling twenty-five percent, making it the hands-down debt leader in the state. The Auditor of the State of Ohio declared that "the educational delivery system is not accomplishing its purpose," and a federal judge ordered the state superintendent of education to assume control of CCSD's finances and administration. In short, Cleveland spent a tremendous amount of money on public education, yet failed to produce educated students.

To address this crisis, the legislature chose to take drastic action: it enacted a school choice program. The program grants parents selected by lottery a maximum of $2,250 to send their K-3 child to their choice of approved private schools within the Cleveland district, or to participating public schools in adjacent districts. The program also provides that an equal number of $500 grants for tutoring service be offered to public school students within the district.

The response was overwhelming. The state received over 6,400 applications, and granted almost 2,000 scholarships. Over fifty private schools registered to participate in the program, including Protestant, Catholic, Muslim, and non-sectarian schools, however no adjacent public schools chose to participate.

The initial results of the Cleveland experiment are promising. A study conducted by Professors Jay P. Greene of the University of Texas at Austin, William G. Howell of Stanford University, and Paul E. Peterson of Harvard University analyzed parent satisfaction and student performance in the first year of the program, comparing students who received scholarships to those who applied for scholarships but did not enroll in the program. Voucher parents were more satisfied than public school parents in every category, including academic quality, safety, discipline, class size, and the teaching of moral values. In standardized tests, voucher students decreased five percentile points in verbal skills compared to the national norm, but increased a dynamic fifteen percentile points in math and five percentile points in reading. In comparison to Cleveland public schools, voucher schools educated poorer children, cost the taxpayers less money, offered a safer learning environment, and achieve d quantifiable academic improvement.

The results reported by professors Green, Howell, and Peterson almost did not come to pass. Before the state fully implemented the program, taxpayers and a teachers union filed a legal challenge claiming the use of public funds for sectarian education violated the religion clauses of the state and federal constitutions. On July 31, 1996, Judge Lisa Sadler of the Franklin County, Ohio Court of Common Pleas ruled the program constitutional. On appeal, however, a three judge panel ruled the program unconstitutional. The case is currently on appeal before the Ohio Supreme Court, and will almost certainly be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court. Whether at the Ohio or U.S. Supreme Court, the case promises to set a major precedent on the constitutionality of school choice programs that include sectarian schools.


The Politics of Interest

Like most major lawsuits, the Cleveland case brings together a variety of interest groups, including the ACLU, People for the American Way, and Americans United for the Separation of Church and State. Of the groups involved in the case, however, none has had more influence than the teachers unions. The Ohio Federation of Teachers (OFT) is a named plaintiff in the case; OFT's national parent organization, the American Federation of Teachers, produced a skewed study attempting to malign the effectiveness of the Cleveland voucher program; an attorney from the Ohio Education Association (OEA) is serving as counsel in the case; and attorneys from the National Education Association (NEA) are providing significant legal assistance. This does not account for union activity aimed at preventing the passage of the voucher program in the first place.

Cleveland's story is just one of many. Unions have mounted similar opposition to school choice programs and initiatives across the nation. The only other city to experiment with school choice—Milwaukee—has been deluged by union cash and lawyers opposing the program. In California, unions increased dues to collect the more than $20 million used to defeat a state school choice initiative. Unions lobbied extensively and successfully to defeat D.C. voucher legislation before Congress, despite D.C. public schools' frequent and extended closures due to unsafe conditions, failure to teach basic skills, pervasive mismanagement and lack of supervision exemplified by fourth graders performing group sex acts on school property, and operating costs exceeding $9,000 per pupil per year.

Given the grave state of education in America's largest cities, why do unions vehemently oppose school choice? The answer is not found in their legal briefs, which argue against public funds for sectarian institutions. Union opposition to private vouchers in New Jersey make this clear. Rather, the answer arises from NLRB v. Catholic Bishop of Chicago, a 1979 case in which the Supreme Court declared that schools operated by churches to teach both religious and secular subjects are not within the jurisdiction of the National Labor Relations Act. Accordingly, church-run schools need not recognize unions as exclusive bargaining agents for their teachers.
    Teachers unions receive significant benefits from exclusive bargaining status. Thirty-four states allow "union shops," under which teachers are required to pay union dues as a term of employment. Teachers' unions flourish from such practices, both in membership and revenues. The National Education Association (NEA) is the largest labor union in the United States with 2.3 million members, and the American Federation of Teachers (AFT) boasts 940,000 members. Myron Lieberman of Bowling Green State University estimates that local, state, and national teachers unions collect $1.3 billion in dues annually, not including money controlled by their political action committees.
If school choice proposals are implemented and upheld by the courts, membership and dues would necessarily decline as students and teachers shift to sectarian schools that are virtually immune to unionization. Union opposition to school choice is simply an effort to maintain a collective bargaining monopoly, even if that monopoly comes at the expense of children's education.


The Law

While there are other less significant claims raised in the lawsuit, the core legal question is whether the Cleveland program violates the religion clauses of the Ohio and U.S. Constitutions. Both the trial and appellate courts declared the religion provisions of the Ohio Constitution to be coextensive to those in the U.S. Constitution, thus limiting necessary inquiry to the U.S. Constitution. Due to the supremacy of the U.S. Constitution, I will focus on its requirements, however, I note that a careful reading of Article I, Section 7 of the Ohio Constitution suggests an affirmative duty on the part of the state assembly to encourage sectarian education.

The religion clause of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
This brief section of the First Amendment contains the core of the Constitution's explicit guarantees of religious freedom: freedom to practice the religion of one's own choosing, and freedom from government establishment of religion. It is from the phrase, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion," commonly referred to as the Establishment Clause, that the legal basis for the separation of church and state is found, and it is this phrase that is source of the legal controversy in the Cleveland case.

Despite the apparent clarity of the phrase, the Establishment Clause continues to be one of the most fervently debated sections of the Constitution. While there is general agreement that the government may not create a formal establishment by recognizing a state church, taxing citizens to support churches, or requiring church membership, broad consensus ends there. Views on the Establishment Clause range from strict separationists, who believe that even incidental aid to or recognition of religion by government violates the Establishment Clause, to accommodationists, who believe that government should act according to the religious character of the people, and that non-preferential aid to religion does not constitute an establishment of religion.

The current debate over the Establishment Clause is relatively new. It was not until 1947 in the case of Everson v. Board of Education that the U.S. Supreme Court incorporated, or applied the Establishment Clause to the states through the Fourteenth Amendment. Prior to Everson, the Establishment Clause only applied—as the clause explicitly says—to Congress. Everson also marked the first major attempt by the Court to define what the Establishment Clause means. The Court declared that beyond merely prohibiting state churches, the clause means that "[n]o tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever form they may adopt to teach or practice religion."

The question begged by Everson and its progeny, and the core question in a legal analysis of school vouchers, is whether neutral aid to religion is permissible. In an era of expansive government programs, are religious institutions and individuals foreclosed from participation in general programs or receipt of general benefits simply because of religious character?

A series of recent U.S. Supreme Court decisions indicate that the neutral allocation of benefits to religious individuals or institutions can withstand judicial scrutiny. In Witters v. Washington Dept. of Services For Blind (1986), the Supreme Court declared that a student's use a general state education subsidy for the blind to attend Bible college did not violate the Establishment Clause. The Court continued this neutral benefits reasoning in Zobrest v. Catalina School District (1993), in which it found that a deaf student could not be denied access to a program providing government funded interpreters based upon the student's attendance at a parochial school. In Rosenberger v. The Rector and Visitors of the University of Virginia (1995), the Court ruled that a student group could not be excluded from a general student activity fund solely because of the group's religious viewpoint. Finally, in the 1997 case of Agostini v. Felton, the Supreme Court o verruled a previous decision, finding that a general remedial education program is permissible on sectarian school campuses. In so doing, the Court declared its departure from the rule "that all government aid that directly aids the educational function of religious schools is invalid."

While these cases provide promise for the legal prospects of voucher programs, they should not be mistaken for acceptance of all neutral aid programs by the Court. The Court still contends that the permissibility of neutral aid to sectarian institutions hinges upon the nature of the aid, particularly whether the aid is direct or indirect. Fundamental to the direct versus indirect question is whether the beneficiary of the program is an institution or an individual. Simply assuring that an individual receives the check is not sufficient, however. The Court also requires that the individual have genuine, independent choice.


The Case

The appellate court found the Cleveland voucher program favored sectarian education, and therefore failed to pass constitutional muster. Specifically, the Court questioned whether the program allowed genuine, independent choice, based upon the lack of participation by adjacent public school systems, the sectarian status of the majority of the private schools, the comparatively lower value of the tutorial grants, and the abysmal state of Cleveland public education, all of which contributed to an improper incentive for religious education.

The facts, however, contradict this conclusion. Financially, voucher parents must still contribute ten percent of the value of the private education from their own pockets or by performing service at the schools. Public schools, by contrast, offer free education. While the majority of the schools participating are sectarian, a significant number of students—approximately 450—chose to attend non-sectarian private schools, indicating that significant non-sectarian options existed. While the tutorial grants are only worth about $500, the total taxpayer funded benefit given to public school students receiving such grants totals almost $6,700. The maximum a voucher child can receive, however, is only $2,250. Finally, the argument that poor educational conditions at Cleveland public schools prohibit the utilization of vouchers because rational parents will choose to send their children to better schools that might be sectarian defies logic. The sectarian schools are included in the progr am because they perform a vital, secular function: basic education. Parents may choose to send their children to religious schools because they rationally believe the religious schools better perform this secular function without raising the specter constitutional injury.

The Cleveland voucher program meets the requirements enumerated by the Court for neutral aid to sectarian institutions. First, the program is neutral: it allows parents to use vouchers for any private schools or adjacent public schools registered for the program without regard to the sectarian or secular status of the institution. The purpose of the program is not to promote religion, but rather to promote the secular interest of educating the children of Cleveland. Second, the state does not grant aid directly to sectarian institutions, but rather gives a voucher to parents, who sign the voucher over to the school of their choice. In this respect, the program is analogous to the program upheld in Witters, because no funds reach sectarian institutions but for the choice of individuals. Third, the parents have genuine independent choice. They are free to stay in Cleveland public schools, to use their voucher for non-sectarian or sectarian private schools (or adjacent public schools, should any choose to participate), or to apply for a public school tutorial grant.


Conclusion

The public education system in America is in real trouble. America's major cities pay too much to produce children who are poorly educated. The Cleveland voucher program is a reasonable attempt to solve this crisis. The vouchers allow the poorest children in the inner-city an opportunity to receive a good education, and permit parents the opportunity to send their children to schools that teach the sort of moral and religious values that have too long been absent in our public schools. This voluntary choice does not violate the Constitution's Establishment Clause, because the program is neutral and indirect: any benefit flowing to religious institutions arises from genuinely individual choice. While vouchers may not be a panacea for the problems of inner-city education, they are a definite improvement over the degenerating status quo. Click Here


Robert Alt works in the Government Reform Project at The Heritage Foundation, and is an Adjunct Fellow at the Ashbrook Center.


Do the math: Vouchers $2250.00 vs $6195.00 for public school. The Voucher students did better. But It's not about the children..... it's about the teachers and CONTROL!


Absolutely! The universities/public schools will lose their huge political/monetary control if parents are allowed a fair choice for educational needs.

Public education is big business. While there are dedicated teachers interested in quality education, they are fast becoming a rarity in the public school system. This blundering mass of ineptitude has become more of a hinderance rather than a impetus.

Parents want a fair choice when it comes to choosing where their child can get the best education and they're not getting it. It's absolutely reprehensible the way the children are kept captive in a system that ignores their individuality.
beasty
QUOTE(Carol @ Feb 16 2006, 07:11 AM) [snapback]184941[/snapback]

Absolutely! The universities/public schools will lose their huge political/monetary control if parents are allowed a fair choice for educational needs.

Public education is big business. While there are dedicated teachers interested in quality education, they are fast becoming a rarity in the public school system.


True for the most part. I've seen some decent teachers, but as a group they've become fixated on keeping control of the educational system rather than concentrating on what gives the best education to the most kids. Any expiriment that attempts to change the status quo is treated with contempt even before any results are in.
Carol
Oprah acknowledges homeschoolers
After excluding them from nationwide essay contest




Oprah Winfrey, through a representative, has acknowledged that it was an "oversight" that homeschooled students were barred from participating in her nationwide essay contest for high schoolers.

As WorldNetDaily reported, online rules for the contest stated, "Contest open to all legal residents of the U.S. who are currently enrolled full-time (and in good standing) in a public or state-accredited private or parochial school, grades 9-12."

Michael Smith, president of the Homeschool Legal Defense Association, or HSLDA, had written an open letter to Winfrey protesting the policy.




"We contacted your show to see if homeschoolers could be included and were rebuffed," wrote Smith. "While we do not believe that your show willfully excluded homeschoolers, the fact that homeschoolers were excluded in the first place is troubling."

Though representatives of the show declined to change the rules before the deadline for submissions, Feb. 6, HSLDA has received a letter after the fact, as well as a phone call.

According to the homeschool organization, Tim Bennett, the President of Harpo Productions, called Smith to let him know the exclusion was an "oversight." A written reply from Harpo recognized that "homeschooling is an important contributor to the educational success of this country."

HSLDA says it "congratulates Oprah Winfrey for acknowledging that homeschooling is a viable educational alternative and entitled to equal treatment."




http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=48843


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Too little too late.





Oprah barred homeschooled children from her contest and I never thought I'd see her do something as mean as that. She knows it's too late now for them to be included. There was time when she was first contacted, but she didn't make any moves to correct her supposedly unintentional "oversight." She refused to have the rules changed; and, in my eyes, Oprah has lost alot of respect over this.






beasty
I'm sure Oprah gets it from both sides. I bet she knows she would get it a lot worse if she did go out of her way to include home schoolers. Worse yet if they made public schoolers look bad.
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