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davisął
The Kansas board deleted most references to evolution from the science standards in 1999, but elections the next year resulted in a less conservative board, which led to the current, evolution-friendly standards. Conservatives recaptured the board's majority in 2004.


Jonathan Wells, a Discovery Institute senior fellow, said the dispute won't be settled in public hearings like the ones in Kansas.

"I think it will be resolved in the scientific community," he said. "I think (intelligent design), in 10 years, will be a very respectable science program."



Evolution defenders scoff at the notion.

"In order to live in this science-dominated world, you have to be able to discriminate between science and non-science," said Alan Leshner of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. "They want to rewrite the rules of science."


Bee
QUOTE(davisął @ May 15 2005, 04:27 PM)
The Kansas board deleted most references to evolution from the science standards in 1999, but elections the next year resulted in a less conservative board, which led to the current, evolution-friendly standards. Conservatives recaptured the board's majority in 2004.
Jonathan Wells, a Discovery Institute senior fellow, said the dispute won't be settled in public hearings like the ones in Kansas.

"I think it will be resolved in the scientific community," he said. "I think (intelligent design), in 10 years, will be a very respectable science program."

Evolution defenders scoff at the notion.

"In order to live in this science-dominated world, you have to be able to discriminate between science and non-science," said Alan Leshner of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. "They want to rewrite the rules of science."
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SOP

Don't like the definition? Redefine it.

Don't like the intelligence? Make some up.

Don't like the rules? Change them in the middle of the game.

If there was ever a more dishonorable group of scoundrels in office, I'd be mighty surprised.
davisął
QUOTE(Bee @ May 15 2005, 09:54 PM)
SOP

Don't like the definition? Redefine it.

Don't like the intelligence? Make some up.

Don't like the rules? Change them in the middle of the game.

If there was ever a more dishonorable group of scoundrels in office, I'd be mighty surprised.
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I wholeheartedly agree.
Lord_Proprietor
American optimism stuns pollsters
The Washington Times, by Jennifer Harper



Posted 5/19/2005 1:20:30 AM

[B]The American spirit is alive and well: A landmark study released yesterday from a New Jersey medical school finds that the majority of us are overwhelmingly optimistic about the future, even if catastrophe looms on the horizon. A sampling: 82 percent of Americans ages 18 to 24 feel optimistic about their futures; 82 percent of those ages 25 to 44 do so as well; and 75 percent of those ages 45 to 64... laugh.gif laugh.gif
lil bart
QUOTE(Lord_Proprietor @ May 19 2005, 11:42 AM)
American optimism stuns pollsters
The Washington Times, by Jennifer Harper



Posted 5/19/2005 1:20:30 AM

[B]The American spirit is alive and well: A landmark study released yesterday from a New Jersey medical school finds that the majority of us are overwhelmingly optimistic about the future, even if catastrophe looms on the horizon. A sampling: 82 percent of Americans ages 18 to 24 feel optimistic about their futures; 82 percent of those ages 25 to 44 do so as well; and 75 percent of those ages 45 to 64...  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Are you laughing because their optimism defies reality? Having listened to Warren Buffet last night about his & Sam Nunn's NTI work, I would be inclined to think so.

Arturo_Vandelay
You can look for reasons to be optimistic or pessimistic and find them.
lil bart
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ May 19 2005, 12:40 PM)
You can look for reasons to be optimistic or pessimistic and find them.
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Yes. Or even without reasons other than the grand one of being alive. smile.gif
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(lil bart @ May 19 2005, 12:44 PM)
Yes. Or even without reasons other than the grand one of being alive.  smile.gif
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If I can get out of bed it's a good day. The fact my freezer froze up and I had to take the whole thing apart this AM is hardly a blip on the radar scale of life. What might happen in the next 50 years is likely to be much like the last. Sad as that may seem.
lil bart
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ May 19 2005, 12:47 PM)
If I can get out of bed it's a good day. The fact my freezer froze up and I had to take the whole thing apart this AM is hardly a blip on the radar scale of life. What might happen in the next 50 years is likely to be much like the last. Sad as that may seem.
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Oh, that doesn't seem so sad or bad. You have to understand (as I'm sure you do) I am fresh off the Buffett/Koppel interview, so I am feeling a responsibility to be serious about serious peril. But you remind me there are ways and then there are ways. Heaven forfend we return to the direness, doom and gloom of the almost wholly abominable 70s from which little good even seemed eventually to come.
Arturo_Vandelay
There are a LOT of serious perils. The dogmatic commies of the old USSR wanted to built a floating bomb that would split the world open if communism was losing the ideological war. One peril gives way to another.

The good news is you can only die once.
lil bart
Check that "a lot of serious perils" against what Sam Nunn is saying now -- that this is the MOAP, so to speak.

Dangers grow graver as nothing has been done to remedy the loose-nukes situation in the former USSR, while depravities there & elsewheres have increased.

FriendJudy
QUOTE(lil bart @ May 19 2005, 12:50 PM)
Heaven forfend we return to the direness, doom and gloom of the almost wholly abominable 70s from which little good even seemed eventually to come.
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I never could understand the nostalgia for the 70s craze that's still, to some extent, under way. To me, the 70s and 80s seemed to be pretty much without redeeming social value.
FriendJudy
LP, has it ever occurred to you that you're in 100% agreement with the worse of the left as far as schools go? You and the left differ only in WHAT propaganda you want to put in the kids' heads, not about whether schools should be political indoctrination centers.
Arturo_Vandelay
Interesting Medved. An Oregon principal putting up a bill to save illegals 12 k a year on college tuition. Moving them from in-state to out of state tuition.
lil bart
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ May 19 2005, 01:24 PM)
Interesting Medved. An Oregon principal putting up a bill to save illegals 12 k a year on college tuition. Moving them from in-state to out of state tuition.
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Say what? unsure.gif
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(lil bart @ May 19 2005, 01:26 PM)
Say what?  unsure.gif
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She's on right now. The cost goes from 17k to 5k for illegals. Laura Lanka is her name.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/EDUCATION/05/22/im...ant.tuition.ap/

More in-state tuition for illegal immigrants

Thursday, May 22, 2003 Posted: 11:30 AM EDT (1530 GMT)


SALEM, Oregon (AP) -- Nineteen-year-old Francisco Urenda wants to become a doctor. The state of Oregon may help him make his dream come true -- even though he is an illegal immigrant.

Oregon may be about to join a growing number of states that are offering cheaper, in-state college tuition rates to illegal immigrants in a move supporters say will help them become productive, taxpaying members of society. Opponents say the idea will only encourage illegal immigration.

Without the change in Oregon's law, Urenda, who came to the United States from Mexico after being orphaned at 10 and is now a freshman at Chemeketa Community College in Salem, worries he will not be able to move on to a four-year college and get the degree he needs to go to medical school.
lil bart
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ May 19 2005, 01:30 PM)
She's on right now. The cost goes from 17k to 5k for illegals. Laura  Lanka is her name.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/EDUCATION/05/22/im...ant.tuition.ap/

More in-state tuition for illegal immigrants

Thursday, May 22, 2003 Posted: 11:30 AM EDT (1530 GMT)
SALEM, Oregon (AP) -- Nineteen-year-old Francisco Urenda wants to become a doctor. The state of Oregon may help him make his dream come true -- even though he is an illegal immigrant.

Oregon may be about to join a growing number of states that are offering cheaper, in-state college tuition rates to illegal immigrants in a move supporters say will help them become productive, taxpaying members of society. Opponents say the idea will only encourage illegal immigration.

Without the change in Oregon's law, Urenda, who came to the United States from Mexico after being orphaned at 10 and is now a freshman at Chemeketa Community College in Salem, worries he will not be able to move on to a four-year college and get the degree he needs to go to medical school.
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Yes, I've heard of this. My suspicions are on super high.
csh
Sounds like the state of Oregon is harboring illegal aliens must not be any laws against that huh.gif


Our school district received 5+million-dollar windfall
They do not know what to do with it.
Amazing how these decisions come to fruition during non-election years
I’m leading towards the NASA education project that is gaining a following
Any other ideas?

I have the theory of progressing with the times rather than the theory that progress means just to spend the money…. wink.gif
davisął
QUOTE(FriendJudy @ May 19 2005, 03:03 PM)
I never could understand the nostalgia for the 70s craze that's still, to some extent, under way.  To me, the 70s and 80s seemed to be pretty much without redeeming social value.
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I found the 70s very enlightening. Much better than today. We be movin' backwards.
davisął
But I was a teen.
lil bart
QUOTE(csh @ May 19 2005, 02:05 PM)
Sounds like the state of Oregon is harboring illegal aliens must not be any laws against that huh.gif
Our school district received 5+million-dollar windfall
They do not know what to do with it.
Amazing how these decisions come to fruition during non-election years
I’m leading towards the NASA education project that is gaining a following
Any other ideas?

I have the theory of progressing with the times rather than the theory that progress means just to spend the money…. wink.gif
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Name that state that isn't harboring illegal aliens. rolleyes.gif And you are correct, there are effectively -- may as well say essentially -- no laws against either "harboring" illegal immigrants or against "illegal" immigration. Hundreds of thousands are immigrating from our Southern border each year and the estimates are that 80 percent are illegal.

So it's probably not a crime yet on the proliferation scale, of say, speeding.

By what means or measures did your school district receive a 5+-million windfall, csh? Lessee .... you could spend it on (more) ESL classes. Tha'd be fun. rolleyes.gif Mandarin classes would be better (no rolly eyes). Science education would be smart. But ya gotta go with what your teachers know, and that reduces the possibilities usually dramatically.
Bee
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arebuntz
QUOTE(davisął @ May 19 2005, 06:32 PM)
But I was a teen.
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Your kiding right?
davisął
QUOTE(arebuntz @ May 20 2005, 09:33 AM)
Your kiding right?
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no, why?
Nomarchy
QUOTE(arebuntz @ May 20 2005, 06:33 AM)
Your kiding right?
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His kidding? My kidding? Your kidding? Their kidding? Our kidding.
lil bart
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lil bart
QUOTE(Bee @ May 20 2005, 05:41 AM)
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This is beautiful. laugh.gif
arebuntz
QUOTE(davisął @ May 20 2005, 02:03 PM)
no, why?
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Wouldn't have imagined that...
Nomarchy
QUOTE(lil bart @ May 20 2005, 10:52 AM)
[center]Pedant Crossing[/center]
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I am pissed off that government employees have unions which enable them to get better working conditions, better benefit packages, and decent pay than I get.

I have the skills and could become a government employee myself. I do not like the work, the climate, the mindset, etc.. Therefore, since I refuse to join them, I am going to keep bitching and moaning about their ability to collectively bargain and get the above advantages over comparable private sector employees.

Oh, and I am on a mission to get 'the pedant'.
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ May 20 2005, 03:30 PM)
I am pissed off that government employees have unions which enable them to get better working conditions, better benefit packages, and decent pay than I get.

I have the skills and could become a government employee myself. I do not like the work, the climate, the mindset, etc.. Therefore, since I refuse to join them, I am going to keep bitching and moaning about their ability to collectively bargain and get the above advantages over comparable private sector employees.


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Funny, that type of argument could be made for all those corporate folks you want to tax and regulate more.

It's a fairly free market and people should know what the deal is. I'm sorry bart's state gave away the farm on public employees, but they did and I don't think it should preclude state employee unions from trying for better pay and benefits OR states from trying to keep prices down. (or taxpayers from complaining and refusing to pay more taxes)
Repub_Bub
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ May 20 2005, 10:30 PM)
I am pissed off that government employees have unions which enable them to get better working conditions, better benefit packages, and decent pay than I get.

I have the skills and could become a government employee myself. I do not like the work, the climate, the mindset, etc.. Therefore, since I refuse to join them, I am going to keep bitching and moaning about their ability to collectively bargain and get the above advantages over comparable private sector employees.

Oh, and I am on a mission to get 'the pedant'.
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Forgive me, but I just had to point that out. smile.gif
lil bart
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ May 20 2005, 03:30 PM)
I am pissed off that government employees have unions which enable them to get better working conditions, better benefit packages, and decent pay than I get.

I have the skills and could become a government employee myself. I do not like the work, the climate, the mindset, etc.. Therefore, since I refuse to join them, I am going to keep bitching and moaning about their ability to collectively bargain and get the above advantages over comparable private sector employees.

Oh, and I am on a mission to get 'the pedant'.
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laugh.gif laugh.gif

This is so not true.
Nomarchy
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ May 20 2005, 03:33 PM)
Funny, that type of argument could be made for all those corporate folks you want to tax and regulate more.
It's a fairly free market and people should know what the deal is. I'm sorry bart's state gave away the farm on public employees, but they did and I don't think it should preclude state employee unions from trying for better pay and benefits OR states from trying to keep prices down. (or taxpayers from complaining and refusing to pay more taxes)
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It's funny, indeed, and I thought to add a paragraph to that effect. Generalities notwithstanding, I think you'll find that 'envy' is not what motivates most of my arguments. Robert (I think that's his first name) Nozick's arguments about 'envy' as a poor basis for any kind of serious thinking, let alone policy proposals have stayed with me from college. Mind you (on a tangent) Nozick and Hayek were required reading in my Political and Social Theory classes in my VERY liberal CT liberal arts small private university alma matter.
Nomarchy
QUOTE(Repub_Bub @ May 20 2005, 03:38 PM)
Forgive me, but I just had to point that out. smile.gif
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I think I finally caught you not catching a subtle point of mine . . . I was "channeling" lil bart . . .
lil bart
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ May 20 2005, 06:25 PM)
It's funny, indeed, and I thought to add a paragraph to that effect. Generalities notwithstanding, I think you'll find that 'envy' is not what motivates most of my arguments. Robert (I think that's his first name) Nozick's arguments about 'envy' as a poor basis for any kind of serious thinking, let alone policy proposals have stayed with me from college. Mind you (on a tangent) Nozick and Hayek were required reading in my Political and Social Theory classes in my VERY liberal CT liberal arts small private university alma matter.
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Mine are not politics born of envy.

QUOTE(Nomarchy @ May 20 2005, 06:26 PM)
I think I finally caught you not catching a subtle point of mine . . . I was "channeling" lil bart . . .
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I don't know if Bub did catch that or not.
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(lil bart @ May 20 2005, 09:36 PM)
Mine are not politics born of envy.
I don't know if Bub did catch that or not.
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Neither does Bub.
lil bart
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Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ May 20 2005, 06:25 PM)
It's funny, indeed, and I thought to add a paragraph to that effect. Generalities notwithstanding, I think you'll find that 'envy' is not what motivates most of my arguments. Robert (I think that's his first name) Nozick's arguments about 'envy' as a poor basis for any kind of serious thinking, let alone policy proposals have stayed with me from college. Mind you (on a tangent) Nozick and Hayek were required reading in my Political and Social Theory classes in my VERY liberal CT liberal arts small private university alma matter.
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I didn't figure it was personal envy anymore than I have any personal affinity for rich CEOs. It's really about economic strategy rather than personalities, though sometimes we all lose sight of that.
csh
well this was worth the visit...
Thanks for the smile biggrin.gif laugh.gif
Lord_Proprietor
QUOTE(FriendJudy @ May 19 2005, 08:06 PM)
LP, has it ever occurred to you that you're in 100% agreement with the worse of the left as far as schools go?  You and the left differ only in WHAT propaganda you want to put in the kids' heads, not about whether schools should be political indoctrination centers.
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Hello Miss Judy dry.gif

All the time I was in teaching and administering (elementary, secondary, college) I was careful to teach the basics in the 3Rs and Government (Magruder's American Government - Local, State and National). Those were the straight lines of skills and the mechanics of government in a democratic republic.

In management I did require teachers' lesson plans so they would be forced to know what they were supposed to do when they came into the classroom in the AM!. Teacher prep is a cardinal rule (hinge) IMO!

I remember what Peter Drucker ("Age Of Discontinuity" , I think), wrote in the 1970s, -- 'teaching today requires far too many people. It ought to be possible to do the job with far fewer. Teaching is where agriculture was around 1750, when it took some twenty men on the farm to feed one nonfarmer in the town. We have to make the teacher more productive, have to mulitply his or her impact, have to increase greatly the harvest from his or her skill, knowledge, dedication, and effort. Other wise we shall run out of teachers -- even if we do not run out of money for education.'

How right he was, but the liberals (especially the NEA and college education departments groups) kept adding the KRAP courses to the curriculum and now, today, the basics, especially reading, math, hisotry and government are last on the list in so many areas.

Most of the time I was in the classroom, I was registered as a political independent and tried to challenge students to think, not indoctrinate them. I was labeled with all the names on the scale from A-Z! That was comforting. A very wise lady professor taught me that when you don't honor childrens' home life and parents' philosophy you lose them and you cannot influence their learning, Therefore I 'delt' with democrats and republicans alike in the classroom. I was very critical of communism and socialism since both are antithetical to our type of government. Sorry to say, lots of socialism has crept into our system. Today I am mostly conservative, especially in government!

Education, the learning process, can only take place when the teacher has control of the classroom. Therefore, I was a strict disciplinarian! dry.gif
Lord_Proprietor
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c...INGUNCQHKJ1.DTL
Lord_Proprietor
My estrangement hasn't happened overnight. Out of the corner of my eye I watched what was coming for more than three decades, yet refused to truly see. Now it's all too obvious. Leading voices in America's "peace" movement are actually cheering against self-determination for a long-suffering Third World country because they hate George W. Bush more than they love freedom.

-- ohmy.gif From the article above!
Lord_Proprietor
http://www.lucianne.com/threads2.asp?artnum=215405
Lord_Proprietor
Dozens Have Alleged Koran's Mishandling

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Key phrase here...'Muslim prisoners said'
Lord_Proprietor
Media vs. the Military
Washington Post, by Howard Kurtz - 5/23/2005 9:16:12 AM

The bashing of Newsweek over its horribly handled item on Koran desecration has mushroomed into a sweeping indictment of the media, which some conservatives now accuse of deliberately slandering the military. Newsweek "wanted the story to be true," says Rush Limbaugh, because the media "have an adversarial relationship with America" and "end up siding with the bad guys."
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Lord_Proprietor @ May 23 2005, 09:31 AM)
Media vs. the Military
Washington Post, by Howard Kurtz  -  5/23/2005 9:16:12 AM 
 
The bashing of Newsweek over its horribly handled item on Koran desecration has mushroomed into a sweeping indictment of the media, which some conservatives now accuse of deliberately slandering the military. Newsweek "wanted the story to be true," says Rush Limbaugh, because the media "have an adversarial relationship with America" and "end up siding with the bad guys."
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The Yale student did not like what he heard. Sociologists derided religion and economists damned corporations. One professor pre-emptively rejected the suggestion that "workers on public relief be denied the franchise." "I propose, simply, to expose," wrote the young author in a booklong denunciation, one of "the most extraordinary incongruities of our time. Under the "protective label 'academic freedom,'" the institution that derives its "moral and financial support from Christian individualists then addresses itself to the task of persuading the sons of these supporters to be atheistic socialists."

For William F. Buckley Jr., author of the 1951 polemic God and Man at Yale: The Superstitions of "Academic Freedom" and a founder of modern American conservatism, the solution to this scandal was straightforward: Fire the wanton professors. No freedom would be abridged. The socialist professor could "seek employment at a college that was interested in propagating socialism." None around? No problem. The market has spoken. The good professor can retool or move on.

Buckley's book can be situated as a salvo in the McCarthyite attack on the universities. Indeed, even as a Yale student, Buckley maintained cordial relationships with New Haven FBI agents, and at the time of the book's publication he worked for the CIA. Buckley was neither the first nor the last to charge that teachers were misleading or corrupting students. At the birth of Western culture, a teacher called Socrates was executed for filling "young people's heads with the wrong ideas." In the twentieth century, clamor about subversive American professors has come in waves, cresting around World War I, in the late 1940s and early 1950s, and today. The earlier assaults can be partially explained by the political situation. Authorities descended upon professors who questioned America's entry into World War I, sympathized with the new Russian Revolution or inclined toward communism during the cold war.

Today the situation is different. The fear during the cold war, however trumped up, that professors served America's enemies could claim a patina of plausibility insofar as some teachers identified themselves as communists or socialists. With communism dead, leftism moribund and liberalism wounded, the fear of international subversion no longer threatens. Even the most rabid critics do not accuse professors of being on the payroll of Al Qaeda or other Islamist extremists. Moreover, conservatives command the presidency, Congress, the courts, major news outlets and the majority of corporations; they appear to have the country comfortably in their pocket. What fuels their rage, then? What fuels the persistent charges that professors are misleading the young?

A few factors might be adduced, but none are completely convincing. One is the age-old anti-intellectualism of conservatives. Conservatives distrust unregulated intellectuals. Forty years ago McCarthyism spurred Richard Hofstadter to write his classic Anti-Intellectualism in American Life. In addition, a basic insecurity plagues conservatives today, a fear that their reign will be short or a gnawing doubt about their legitimacy. Dissenting voices cannot be tolerated, because they imply that a conservative future may not last forever. One Noam Chomsky is one too many. Angst besets the triumphant conservatives. Those who purge Darwin from America's schools must yell in order to drown out their own misgivings, the inchoate realization that they are barking at the moon.

Today's accusations against subversive professors differ from those of the past in several respects. In a sign of the times, the test for disloyalty has shifted far toward the center. Once an unreliable professor meant an anarchist or communist; now it includes Democrats. Soon it will be anyone to the left of Attila the Hun. Second, the charges do not (so far) come from government committees investigating un-American activities but from conservative commentators and their student minions. A series of groups such as Campus Watch, Academic Bias and Students for Academic Freedom enlist students to monitor and publicize professorial conduct. Third, the new charges are advanced not against but in the name of academic freedom or a variant of it; and, in the final twist, the new conservative critics seem driven by an ethos that they have adopted from liberalism: affirmative action and a sense of victimhood, which they officially detest.

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050404&s=jacoby


The New PC: Crybaby Conservatives.

Lord_Proprietor
http://slate.msn.com/id/2118427/entry/2118440/

From: Jon Wiener
To: Diane Ravitch
Subject: How To Revive History by "Teaching the Conflicts"
Tuesday, May 17, 2005, at 4:17 AM PT

Click here to read more from Slate's History Week.

More than a decade ago, the first Bush administration asked historians to draft guidelines for what all schoolchildren should know about the American past. The resulting curriculum guide, however, drew fire from critics for being politically correct—paying more attention to slavery and McCarthyism than to battlefield triumphs or great inventors like Thomas Edison. The historians and their defenders replied that they weren't trying to prescribe a fixed catalog of facts to teach but rather important themes in the American past and habits of mind necessary for thinking about history, and that it was necessary to teach the bad as well as the good. ....
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Bee @ May 23 2005, 09:38 AM)
The New PC: Crybaby Conservatives.
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Don't you just hate that?
Lord_Proprietor
Purging Conservatives from College Faculties

FrontPage Magazine, by Jamie Glazov 5/23/2005 6:33:25 AM

Frontpage Interview's guest today is Stanley Rothman, coauthor of American Elites (1996) and the Director for the Center for the Study of Social and Political Change and the Mary Huggins Gamble Professor of Government at Smith College. He recently co‑authored the article “Politics and Professional Advancement Among College Faculty,” in BePress.com, that represents the first compressive examination of the ideological composition of American university faculty.
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