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SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(Guest @ May 26 2005, 07:34 AM)
Mr. Narcissus Goes to Washington

Listening to them I thought of some of the great and hallowed phrases of our Republic. "The rooster who thought he brought the dawn." "The only man who can strut sitting down."
("blowhard," "puffed up popinjay")


Why do they do this? Is their egomania not part of a trend?

All this self-lauding has become strange. Public figures use the press to laud themselves with no embarrassment, no sense of what is important, and no sense of modesty. If Jack Webb were here he would deck these guys. Broderick Crawford would bark "10-4" and hit them on the head with his Highway Patrol walkie-talkie. Once again I think of the wisdom of Tony Soprano: Let Gary Cooper talk and he'll never shut up.

Why did they put on that performance the other day? Yes, it was sheer exuberant egotism; it was the excitement of the TV lights; it was their sly conviction that if they laud themselves they will be appearing to laud the institution; and it was, no doubt, the counsel of their advisers that in the magic medium of television, if you declare you are a "hero" often enough people will come to associate the word "hero" with you.


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QUOTE(davisął @ May 26 2005, 07:44 AM)
I especially like this.

Reminds me of that fakir Flight Suit Barbie.
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Guest
QUOTE(Bee @ May 26 2005, 01:15 PM)
LP, I enjoyed the story, but frankly, I could tell stories about my grandfather (the fisherman) working the boats on Hudsons Bay until his health failed and my grandmother (who will turn 87 shortly) going to work in a factory and of their sacrifices to send my mom and uncle to school.

One would think things should get easier, not harder.

Sounds to me like the subject of the story was a hard worker, too. I worked at a fast food restaurant and then at a print shop through school. Maybe it wasn't farming, but it wasn't easy. Now the costs of higher education are downright prohibitive.

That's not right.
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LIttle Bee,


As I keep saying, all the schools have to do is stop paying those liberal professors to teach those KRAP courses and just do the basics, higher ed would cost about half of the present cost! One account I read several years ago, estimated that only half of the courses in the curriculum were necessarya to educate the students.
LP
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ May 25 2005, 08:27 PM)
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Love those photos of the 1930s Bart Katz, Those of the guys and gals that saved Europe and started the Freedom train that has almost reached all around the world. The train has been delayed on its trip a few times, but it is still on track!
Nomarchy
QUOTE(Guest @ May 26 2005, 08:35 AM)
LIttle Bee,
As I keep saying, all the schools have to do is stop paying those liberal professors to teach those KRAP courses and just do the basics, higher ed would cost about half of the present cost! One account I read several years ago, estimated that only half of the courses in the curriculum were necessarya to educate the students.
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You may keep saying, but so what? Bullshit repeated ad nauseam still smells bad.

Higher education is not about 'the basics'. You're an authoritarian elitist (god knows why) prick, and that's all there's to it.
Grigorii
QUOTE(LP @ May 26 2005, 10:43 AM)
Love those photos of the 1930s Bart Katz, Those of the guys and gals that saved Europe and started the Freedom train that has almost reached all around the world. The train has been delayed on its trip a few times, but it is still on track!
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Somehow comparing the "Greatest Generation's" mostly defensive and gallant struggle forced on our citizenry by Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan's aggressive behavior and the Bush Inc war train and freight doesn’t ring true.

As for Bush Inc’s freedom train, it's puled by a corporate locomotive lubed and fired by government subsidizes, single bidder war contracts and ignored offshore tax evasions.

It pulls a cargo of a new four freedoms...

1 The Freedom to exploit third world labor and remove opportunity from American workers..

2 The freedom to abuse democracy domestically and in foreign lands with puppet governments billed as democracies.

3. The freedom enrich corporations by working hand in hand with the most dangerous Communist country in the world enriching it with technology and money that it uses builds a military aimed at Americans.

4. The freedom to get stinking rich by striping America of it's heavy industry placing the same outside our need and protection in case a serious war and gutting our consumer market of its better paying jobs.

Some freedom train...Its a carpetbaggers imperialistic troop train with hoppers for loot attached.
FriendJudy
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ May 25 2005, 01:27 PM)
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Thanks for the photo, Bart, demonstrating my point. Note the "body language" in these photos. Do you see any firmly set jaws, or eyes fixed on the future?

Compare to your photos from the 30's and 50's, and how the even younger kids from those classes (in some cases, children) look determined but scared to death of adulthood, vs. the photo above of bland faces of kids who're expecting to be kids for another few years, until they're 22 or so.
FriendJudy
I do see ONE person in those photos with a steady gaze and fixed jaw, cautious and steadfast. Bottom row, third from the right, looking skeptical of the whole idea of yearbook photos.

Notice that he's Asian.
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(FriendJudy @ May 26 2005, 11:37 AM)
I do see ONE person in those photos with a steady gaze and fixed jaw, cautious and steadfast.  Bottom row, third from the right, looking skeptical of the whole idea of yearbook photos.

Notice that he's Asian.
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You seem to have highly developed photo analysis skills. rolleyes.gif
Repub_Bub
QUOTE(FriendJudy @ May 26 2005, 05:37 PM)
I do see ONE person in those photos with a steady gaze and fixed jaw, cautious and steadfast.  Bottom row, third from the right, looking skeptical of the whole idea of yearbook photos.

Notice that he's Asian.
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And who says you don't have a sense of humor? laugh.gif
gtessex
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ May 26 2005, 01:06 PM)

Higher education is not about 'the basics'. You're an authoritarian elitist (god knows why) prick, and that's all there's to it.
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You're right, higher education is not about the basics. For the ultra-left professors.........it all about.....BRAINWASHING!!!!!!
Nomarchy
QUOTE(gtessex @ May 26 2005, 11:17 AM)
You're right, higher education is not about the basics. For the ultra-left professors.........it all about.....BRAINWASHING!!!!!!
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Fine, fine. I've had some of those as an undergrad. Every stereotype has some truth to it. Still . . . it will be a cold day in hell when I will stoop to propaganda and brainwashing instead of teaching. That's pathetic and doesn't speak too highly of one's own ideas.
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ May 26 2005, 01:27 PM)
Fine, fine. I've had some of those as an undergrad. Every stereotype has some truth to it. Still . . . it will be a cold day in hell when I will stoop to propaganda and brainwashing instead of teaching. That's pathetic and doesn't speak too highly of one's own ideas.
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We all had one or two of those at university, and so the fork what?

I hope gtessex didn’t raise his children to be taken in by every opinion they hear.

I certainly wasn’t, and wasn’t hurt a bit by the lefties in academia.

It’s not like our colleges are graduating new legions of young communists. In fact, quite the opposite is true – kids today are far more conservative politically than their parents were at that age.

So why the big concern over some fargin leftie college profs?
SpaceCowboy
Oh, and what's so dangerous about a Bill Moyers?
Guest
QUOTE(Grigorii @ May 26 2005, 05:10 PM)
Somehow comparing the "Greatest Generation's" mostly defensive and gallant struggle forced on our citizenry by Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan's aggressive behavior and the Bush Inc war train and freight doesn’t ring true.

As for Bush Inc’s freedom train, it's puled by a corporate locomotive lubed and fired by government subsidizes, single bidder war contracts and ignored offshore tax evasions.

It pulls a cargo of a new four freedoms...

1 The Freedom to exploit third world labor and remove opportunity from American workers..

2  The freedom to abuse democracy domestically and in foreign lands with puppet governments billed as democracies.

3. The freedom enrich corporations by working hand in hand with the most dangerous Communist country in the world enriching it with technology and money that it uses builds a military aimed at Americans.

4. The freedom to get stinking rich by striping America of it's heavy industry placing the same outside our need and protection in case a serious war and gutting our consumer market of its better paying jobs.

Some freedom train...Its a carpetbaggers imperialistic troop train with hoppers for loot attached.
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wink.gif Sir,

That's where you and I see the world differently!
davisął
QUOTE(Grigorii @ May 26 2005, 12:10 PM)
Somehow comparing the "Greatest Generation's" mostly defensive and gallant struggle forced on our citizenry by Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan's aggressive behavior and the Bush Inc war train and freight doesn’t ring true.

As for Bush Inc’s freedom train, it's puled by a corporate locomotive lubed and fired by government subsidizes, single bidder war contracts and ignored offshore tax evasions.

It pulls a cargo of a new four freedoms...

1 The Freedom to exploit third world labor and remove opportunity from American workers..

2  The freedom to abuse democracy domestically and in foreign lands with puppet governments billed as democracies.

3. The freedom enrich corporations by working hand in hand with the most dangerous Communist country in the world enriching it with technology and money that it uses builds a military aimed at Americans.

4. The freedom to get stinking rich by striping America of it's heavy industry placing the same outside our need and protection in case a serious war and gutting our consumer market of its better paying jobs.

Some freedom train...Its a carpetbaggers imperialistic troop train with hoppers for loot attached.
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You got that right. I was raised on Watergate and Vietnam and cut my political teeth, so to speak, on Iran/Contra. I wouldn't trust any of these J.P. Getty SOB war mongering profiteers.

American royalty my arse.



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On the money, 100%.

That's where you and I see the world the same!

davisął
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Bart Katz
QUOTE(FriendJudy @ May 26 2005, 12:33 PM)
Thanks for the photo, Bart, demonstrating my point.  Note the "body language" in these photos.  Do you see any firmly set jaws, or eyes fixed on the future?

Compare to your photos from the 30's and 50's, and how the even younger kids from those classes (in some cases, children) look determined but scared to death of adulthood, vs. the photo above of bland faces of kids who're expecting to be kids for another few years, until they're 22 or so.
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I think they're just happy kids, Judy Ann. Nothing more, nothing less. Those old ones look sad because the got up a dawn to milk the cows and know they are going home to work till dark on the old hill farm. Nothing really deep there.

It appears to me the Asian kid's gaze is on account of he's crosseyed or has amblyopia or something.
lil bart
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ May 26 2005, 04:45 PM)
I think they're just happy kids, Judy Ann.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Those old ones look sad because the got up a dawn to milk the cows and know they are going home to work till dark on the old hill farm.  Nothing really deep there.

It appears to me the Asian kid's gaze is on account of he's crosseyed or has amblyopia or something.
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I bet school was more of a treat in them sorts o' days.

Gotta say I don't see an age or even purposefulness difference. Fortunately they were head shots on the new crew. The current crops of costumes drive me nuts.
Bee
Fascinating--for all you pedagogues...

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WE are at that time of year when millions of American college and high school students will stride across the stage, take diploma in hand and set out to the wider world, most of them utterly unable to write a clear and coherent English sentence. How is this possible? The answer is simple and even obvious: Students can't write clean English sentences because they are not being taught what sentences are.

Most composition courses that American students take today emphasize content rather than form, on the theory that if you chew over big ideas long enough, the ability to write about them will (mysteriously) follow. The theory is wrong. Content is a lure and a delusion, and it should be banished from the classroom. Form is the way.

On the first day of my freshman writing class I give the students this assignment: You will be divided into groups and by the end of the semester each group will be expected to have created its own language, complete with a syntax, a lexicon, a text, rules for translating the text and strategies for teaching your language to fellow students. The language you create cannot be English or a slightly coded version of English, but it must be capable of indicating the distinctions - between tense, number, manner, mood, agency and the like - that English enables us to make.

You can imagine the reaction of students who think that "syntax" is something cigarette smokers pay, guess that "lexicon" is the name of a rebel tribe inhabiting a galaxy far away, and haven't the slightest idea of what words like "tense," "manner" and "mood" mean. They think I'm crazy. Yet 14 weeks later - and this happens every time - each group has produced a language of incredible sophistication and precision.

How is this near miracle accomplished? The short answer is that over the semester the students come to understand a single proposition: A sentence is a structure of logical relationships. In its bare form, this proposition is hardly edifying, which is why I immediately supplement it with a simple exercise. "Here," I say, "are five words randomly chosen; turn them into a sentence." (The first time I did this the words were coffee, should, book, garbage and quickly.) In no time at all I am presented with 20 sentences, all perfectly coherent and all quite different. Then comes the hard part. "What is it," I ask, "that you did? What did it take to turn a random list of words into a sentence?" A lot of fumbling and stumbling and false starts follow, but finally someone says, "I put the words into a relationship with one another."

Once the notion of relationship is on the table, the next question almost asks itself: what exactly are the relationships? And working with the sentences they have created the students quickly realize two things: first, that the possible relationships form a limited set; and second, that it all comes down to an interaction of some kind between actors, the actions they perform and the objects of those actions.

Rest of "Devoid of content"
Bix12
QUOTE(Bee @ Jun 1 2005, 07:40 AM)
Fascinating--for all you pedagogues...
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Yeah...and the point is..............?

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Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(Bix12 @ Jun 1 2005, 05:42 AM)
Yeah...and the point is..............?

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You need to be able to arrange thoughts as well as just toss out free form collections of random words if you want to communicate. Form words into sentences and sentences into paragraphs so the reader can understand the idea you're trying to get across.
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jun 1 2005, 09:55 AM)
You need to be able to arrange thoughts as well as just toss out free form collections of random words if you want to communicate. Form words into sentences and sentences into paragraphs so the reader can understand the idea you're trying to get across.
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It kinda helps to have some cogent thougts to start with.
Arturo_Vandelay
It would help in some cases. My slow typing keeps my writing pretty tight.
Repub_Bub
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jun 1 2005, 02:55 PM)
You need to be able to arrange thoughts as well as just toss out free form collections of random words if you want to communicate. Form words into sentences and sentences into paragraphs so the reader can understand the idea you're trying to get across.
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when happen this did?
davisął
QUOTE(Repub_Bub @ Jun 1 2005, 10:41 AM)
when happen this did?
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when you were on lunch break.
Arturo_Vandelay
Want you not your Diet Pepsi.
davisął
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jun 1 2005, 10:46 AM)
Want you not your Diet Pepsi.
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Gee, I never knew you felt this way. (but I don't drink diet anything)


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davisął
A friend of mine sent an email the other day. The title was "Bite". Then I opened it and it said "my shiny metal asss".

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that was it.
Arturo_Vandelay
I liked when he had a wooden ass. The water wheel powered robot and the old tape drive were funny as well.
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(davisął @ Jun 1 2005, 09:50 AM)
A friend of mine sent an email the other day. The title was "Bite". Then I opened it and it said "my shiny metal asss".

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that was it.
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Thanks to you and AV both for turning me on to Futurama.

What a hoot!
Arturo_Vandelay
Too bad they seem to replay only a few of them. I may have to buy the last season on DVD to see them all.

The one where Frye's little dog waits for him a lifetime still chokes me up to where I can't watch it. A well written show.
Arturo_Vandelay
And they bring back Family Guy. pooh.
davisął
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Jun 1 2005, 11:01 AM)
Thanks to you and AV both for turning me on to Futurama.

What a hoot!
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The thing that gets me is The Family Guy was cancelled and then they brought it back because it was well liked. I don't like that show.

Futurama was very expensive but it was great.

Bender getting caught in an explosion was funny. His head was flying through the air and he says, "Coming through!!"
Arturo_Vandelay
Bender gets all the best lines. The same actor that does both Ren and Stimpy.
davisął
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jun 1 2005, 11:09 AM)
Bender gets all the best lines. The same actor that does both Ren and Stimpy.
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I didn't know that.

My favorite was the Star Trek episode. The lengths they go to make it hilarious...

Fry takes Leonord Nimoy's head (Spock) in a jar off the shelf and the first officer from Star Trek the Next Generation, Ryker's head, slides to the front like a convenient store soda cooler.

He only had one short line in the whole show. "Front row!"

I about died on that one.
Arturo_Vandelay
So many good lines. Should have lasted like the Simpsons. TV is a tough business. I heard Married with Children didn't even get a note from the network when they got cancelled. The actors found out in the paper. And they built that network with the Simpsons.
Bee
QUOTE(Bix12 @ Jun 1 2005, 08:42 AM)
Yeah...and the point is..............?

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Wasn't it clear?

dang!
Bix12
QUOTE(Bee @ Jun 1 2005, 01:02 PM)
Wasn't it clear?

dang!
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It was crystal clear what the article was about...

Just another lame attempt at humour on my part.

Ferget it.

Arturo_Vandelay
I thought it was a pop quiz.
Bee
QUOTE(Bix12 @ Jun 1 2005, 01:07 PM)
It was crystal clear what the article was about...

Just another lame attempt at humour on my part.

Ferget it.
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Did you stand on one foot whilst posting?

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Bee
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jun 1 2005, 01:10 PM)
I thought it was a pop quiz.
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Coke or Pepsi?

I thought it was interesting, it's the "function follows form" argument.
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(Bee @ Jun 1 2005, 10:18 AM)
Coke or Pepsi?

I thought it was interesting, it's the "function follows form" argument.
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I'm kinda big about form in some things, writing included. Personally I'm kind of a laid back slob, but things like work and writing bring out my organized anal-retentive side since other people rely on proper function.
Bix12
QUOTE(Bee @ Jun 1 2005, 01:14 PM)
Did you stand on one foot whilst posting?

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Why, yes, as a matter of fact, I do.

My left.

That would tend to explain the lame nature of my humour, as well as which way I lean politically.

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Sometimes you are too clever by half, Bee...

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And I enjoy it thoroughly.

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Bix12
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jun 1 2005, 01:22 PM)
I'm kinda big about form in some things, writing included. Personally I'm kind of a laid back slob, but things like work and writing bring out my organized anal-retentive  side since other people rely on proper function.
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I, too, derive a great deal of satisfaction from writing...

However, I don't know how close to the rules I actually adhere, nonetheless, it is a source of pleasure for me.

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I manage...

Arturo_Vandelay
If you do it just for yourself it doesn't really matter. If you're writing certain things for others it pays to be understandable in a common form. People who write on these kinds of boards regularly do pretty well, but I've seen some REALLY REALLY bad communication around.

I can only imagine what teachers run across.
Bix12
QUOTE(Bee @ Jun 1 2005, 01:18 PM)
Coke or Pepsi?

I thought it was interesting, it's the "function follows form" argument.
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It's the Bauhaus school of sentence structure.....in reverse.

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davisął
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jun 1 2005, 12:22 PM)
I'm kinda big about form in some things, writing included. Personally I'm kind of a laid back slob, but things like work and writing bring out my organized anal-retentive  side since other people rely on proper function.
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lol. I can paint a portrait and make it life like. My better work has brought grieving relatives to tears but my handwriting looks like a third grader.

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davisął
Anyone know a site with beautiful handwriting?

Some of the founders early documents are very elegant as far as handwriting goes.

I need to start from scratch.
Arturo_Vandelay
I've given up on handwriting. Can't barely get my name right anymore. (literally)

My Dad does calligraphy and our signatures look a lot alike. (or they did before I went to mostly typing) But from there it's all downhill for me.
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(davisął @ Jun 1 2005, 11:19 AM)
My better work has brought grieving relatives to tears but my handwriting looks like a third grader. 

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Mine used to be that good. Now it sucks.
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