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lil bart
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Feb 12 2005, 02:38 PM)
The Mo Dowd of the right.
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Not even. Skinny on one end and fat on another, the best comparison is still far & away Michael Moore -- loud, self-aggrandizing, and inflammatory -- all in the extreme.

QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Feb 12 2005, 02:47 PM)
She is either not quick enough or not confident enough to shine in real time. Whatever it is one needs have in order to be a live performer is what she lacks.
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What Annie has in that regard is a great credit to her finesse at propagandizing. And that's where it's at these days. And that is virtually all of both where she is and what she is about.
Ward
QUOTE(lil bart @ Feb 12 2005, 06:08 PM)
Not even. Skinny on one end and fat on another, the best comparison is still far & away Michael Moore -- loud, self-aggrandizing, and inflammatory -- all in the extreme.
What Annie has in that regard is a great credit to her finesse at propagandizing. And that's where it's at these days. And that is virtually all of both where she is and what she is about.
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Moore and Coulter as mismatched bookends is perfect.

Mo Dowd and Florence King are on a higher shelf.
Bee
QUOTE(Art Vandelay @ Feb 12 2005, 07:45 PM)
I heard something about Maher looking to get a conservative audience. Probably on Hannity. I used to like his Comedy Central show because you could watch 2 or 3 on a Saturday night, I had trouble staying up late enough to see it on ABC.

I think I heard Dowd on three different outlets selling her book, and they all sounded the same. (Bush crashed the family station wagon) Not bad, just a bit programmed. But she is a writer, not an entertainer.
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I heard him say that to Terry Gross on NPRs Fresh Air last week.

True. She's every bit as mean as Coulter, too.
Grigorii
QUOTE(Bee @ Feb 12 2005, 07:24 PM)


True. She's every bit as mean as Coulter, too.
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Nah, Coulter has a lock on the ultimate beyotch catagory.

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Bee
Who was saying Gannon was Rove's boy?

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Rove-Gannon Connection?

WASHINGTON, Feb. 18, 2005

(CBS) Dotty Lynch is the Senior Political Editor for CBS News. E-mail your questions and comments to Political Points

Karl Rove took a victory lap at an SRO lunch at the Conservative Political Action Committee meeting at the Ronald Reagan building in Washington on Thursday. After a glowing introduction by Wayne LaPierre of the National Rifle Association, Rove proclaimed "conservatism as the dominant political creed in America," but warned Republicans not to get complacent or grow "tired and timid." He recalled the dark days when the Democrats were dominant and cautioned that that could happen again if they let down their guard. The new White House deputy chief of staff also called on conservatives to "seize the mantle of idealism."


Sure, lying and misrepresentation are real idealistic

NOT.

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Tired and timid are two adjectives never applied to Rove. The architect of the Bush victories in 2000 and 2004 came through the ranks of college Republicans with the late Lee Atwater, and their admitted and alleged dirty tricks are the legends many young political operatives dream of pulling off. So when Jeff Gannon, White House "reporter" for Talon "News," was unmasked last week, the leap to a possible Rove connection was unavoidable. Gannon says that he met Rove only once, at a White House Christmas party, and Gannon is kind of small potatoes for Rove at this point in his career.

But Rove's dominance of White House and Republican politics, Gannon's aggressively partisan work and the ease with which he got day passes for the White House press room the past two years make it hard to believe that he wasn't at least implicitly sanctioned by the "boy genius." Rove, who rarely gave on-the-record interviews to the MSM (mainstream media), had time to talk to GOPUSA, which owns Talon.

GOPUSA and Talon are both owned by Bobby Eberle, a Texas Republican and business associate of conservative direct-mail guru Bruce Eberle who says that Bobby is from the "Texas branch of the Eberle clan." Bobby Eberle told The New York Times that he created Talon to build a news service with a conservative slant and "if someone were to see 'GOPUSA,' there's an instant built-in bias there." No kidding.

Some of the real reporters in the White House pressroom were apparently annoyed at Gannon's presence and his softball, partisan questions, but considered him only a minor irritant. One told me he thought of Gannon as a balance for the opinionated liberal questions of Hearst's Helen Thomas. But what Gannon was up to was not just writing opinion columns or using a different technique to get information. He was a player in Republican campaigns and his work in the South Dakota Senate race illustrates the role he played. It is also a classic example of how political operatives are using the brave new world of the Internet and the blogosphere. Gannon and Talon News appear to be mini-Drudge reports; a "news" source which partisans use to put out negative information, get the attention of the bloggers, talk radio and then the MSM in a way that mere press releases are unable to achieve.

One of Gannon's first projects was an attempt to discredit the South Dakota Argus Leader, South Dakota's major paper, and its longtime political writer, David Kranz. According to the National Journal, which reported on this last November, Gannon wrote a series of articles in the summer of 2003 alleging that Kranz, who went to college with Democratic Sen. Tom Daschle, was not only sympathetic to him but was an actual part of the Daschle campaign. These articles then got a huge amount of play on the blogs of John Lauck and Jason Van Beek, and were picked up by other conservative sites and talk radio. The paper was bombarded with messages about its bias and acknowledges that these had an impact on its coverage.

Daschle opponent John Thune's campaign manager was Dick Wadham, an old political crony of Karl Rove's; the kind of pal Rove could ask to hire his first cousin, John Wood, a few years back. Wadham put the bloggers on the campaign payroll and the symbiotic relationship between the campaign, the bloggers and "reporter" Gannon” continued. On September 29, Gannon broke the story that Daschle had claimed a special tax exemption for a house in Washington and the bloggers jumped all over it. According to a November 17 posting on South Dakota Politics – a site that Van Beek, who has become a staffer for now-Sen. Thune, has bequeathed to Lauck – "Jeff Gannon, whose reportage had a dramatic impact on the Daschle v. Thune race (his story about Sen. Daschle signing a legal document claiming to be a D.C. resident was published nearly the same day Thune began to run an ad showing Daschle saying, "I'm a D.C. resident) has written an analysis of the debacle."

Daschle aides told Roll Call, "This guy (Gannon) became the dumping ground for opposition research." The connections are so strong that there is an FEC challenge which could be a test case on the limits of the use of the Internet in federal campaigns.

Gannon also had Thune on his radio show "Jeff Gannon's Washington," and the White House correspondent for Talon became touted as the "resident D.C. expert on South Dakota politics" by the bloggers. Thune and Wadham (who has been hired by aspiring White House Republican Sen. George Allen) have become go-to guys on the use of blogs in campaigns. Thune was cited in The New York Times as introducing "Senators to the meaning of 'blogging,' explaining the basics of self-published online political commentary and arguing that it can affect public opinion."

This week Democrats, who have serious case of Rove envy, went a little nuts and started sending around information and graphic pictures of Gannon and his porn Web sites. But it is the more routine part of Gannon's life that deserves serious scrutiny. Planting or even just sanctioning a political operative in the WH press room is a dangerous precedent and Karl Rove's hope to become a respected policymaker will be hampered if the dirty tricks from his political past are more apparent than his desire to spread liberty around the globe.

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Between this and the "news reels" commonly put out by this administration, it is hard to believe that anyone could offer the pathetic excuse that "it's ok because the dems were in charge for so long."

The "dems" never did anything like THIS, at least not in my lifetime.
davisął
QUOTE(Bee @ Feb 20 2005, 09:46 AM)
Who was saying Gannon was Rove's boy?
Sure, lying and misrepresentation are real idealistic

NOT.
Between this and the "news reels" commonly put out by this administration, it is hard to believe that anyone could offer the pathetic excuse that "it's ok because the dems were in charge for so long."

The "dems" never did anything like THIS, at least not in my lifetime.
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This is a whole new era. It's all about media saturation. It doesn't even matter if it's true or not.


US citizens are arrogant to the point of stupidity. And gullible as hell.
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Grigorii @ Feb 14 2005, 06:06 AM)
Nah, Coulter has a lock on the ultimate beyotch catagory.

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I love those schoolgirl outfits. laugh.gif laugh.gif
Bart Katz
QUOTE(G.G. @ Feb 20 2005, 10:12 AM)
I didn't say it but I thought Rove orchestrated it.  I've been reading about Mehlman being gay lately and he is Rove's boy.

Someone in the circle has to be gay.  This administration ihas been known to pay their friends back with high paying positions.
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Such intolerance, running around trying out gays. sad.gif
Grigorii
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Feb 20 2005, 10:23 AM)
Such intolerance, running around trying out gays.  sad.gif
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That anything like outing chubby hover mouthed White House interns?
Human Ills
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Feb 20 2005, 08:23 AM)
Such intolerance, running around trying out gays.  sad.gif
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Their attitude toward gays connected with this admin. reminds me of their attitude towards women that complained of sexual harassement in the prior admin.

That is to say both gays and women are only useful so long as they remain enemies of the GOP.
Human Ills
QUOTE(G.G. @ Feb 20 2005, 08:29 AM)
I don't have intolerance to gays just those who live the lifestyle but are too ashamed to admit who they are.  It will come out eventually.  They can't hide it for long.
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How tolerant of you. Who are you to say that someone can't stay in the closet if they so choose?



ROFL @ "they can't hide it for long"
Bart Katz
QUOTE(G.G. @ Feb 20 2005, 10:29 AM)
I don't have intolerance to gays just those who live the lifestyle but are too ashamed to admit who they are.  It will come out eventually.  They can't hide it for long.
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Why do you try to smear people with it then?

Wait.

I'm not allowed to ask questions.

It seems to me that you all lefties are always trying to smear righties with gayness.

Bart Katz
QUOTE(Human Ills @ Feb 20 2005, 10:31 AM)
How tolerant of you. Who are you to say that someone can't stay in the closet if they so choose?
ROFL @ "they can't hide it for long"
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If they don't out themselves, then the lefties will try to out them.

I remember when "gay" was being happy and an "outing" was a picnic. See what those lefties have done to our language! sad.gif sad.gif
Bart Katz
QUOTE(G.G. @ Feb 20 2005, 10:34 AM)
I don't know why, honestly.  Maybe because I hate them.
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Just as I thought. You all lefties just put up a facade to get the gay vote, just like with other minority groups.
davisął
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I don't have intolerance to gays just those who live the lifestyle but are too ashamed to admit who they are. It will come out eventually. They can't hide it for long.



From comments he made I believe Gannon, or whatever his name is, is a reformed homosexual. He stated he worshipped a forgiving god.

Bart Katz
QUOTE(G.G. @ Feb 20 2005, 10:38 AM)
The Democrats are afraid to support gay groups, they are too militant and demanding.  This administration are getting in over their heads here.
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The dems keep their gays in the back room at the plantation.
Bart Katz
QUOTE(davisął @ Feb 20 2005, 10:43 AM)
From comments he made I believe Gannon, or whatever his name is, is a reformed homosexual. He stated he worshipped a forgiving god.
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That is as opposed to no God.
Human Ills
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Feb 20 2005, 08:34 AM)
If they don't out themselves, then the lefties will try to out them.

I remember when "gay" was being happy and an "outing" was a picnic.  See what those lefties have done to our language!  sad.gif  sad.gif
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If you're gay and republican, you are living a lie, you see. Not only are you harming yourself, but you are also harming all gays everywhere.
Therefore, you may be sacrificed at the altar.
Human Ills
QUOTE(G.G. @ Feb 20 2005, 08:38 AM)
The Democrats are afraid to support gay groups, they are too militant and demanding.  This administration are getting in over their heads here.
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Translation: Democrats have been unsuccessful in their efforts to control the gay community.
Goodbye, Goodluck and Good riddance.
Grigorii
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Feb 20 2005, 10:36 AM)
Just as I thought.  You all lefties just put up a facade to get the gay vote, just like with other minority groups.
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Struck me her hate object was righties" not gays.

Of course to hear you tell it the Republican voter base is (by inference) tolerant and loving of gays while the Democrats bash gays
davisął

The log cabin Republicans did not endorse Bush this year. They are as Republican as gays get.
Human Ills
QUOTE(Grigorii @ Feb 20 2005, 08:49 AM)
Struck me her hate object was righties" not gays.

Of course to hear you tell it the Republican voter base is (by inference) tolerant and loving of gays while the Democrats bash gays
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It's not to hear me tell it, it's to hear the snips from the dems on this board.
Human Ills
QUOTE(G.G. @ Feb 20 2005, 08:50 AM)
The crazy aunt in the attic.  I don't believe we've ever seen so much pandoring as within the last 5 years.  It is really not a good way to do business.
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Pandoring? Does that have something to do with pandora's box?
Bart Katz
QUOTE(davisął @ Feb 20 2005, 10:49 AM)
The log cabin Republicans did not endorse Bush this year. They are as Republican as gays get.
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You can't fork with them, they are already out.
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Grigorii @ Feb 20 2005, 10:49 AM)
Struck me her hate object was righties" not gays.

Of course to hear you tell it the Republican voter base is (by inference) tolerant and loving of gays while the Democrats bash gays
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I tell it like is is LeRoy.
Human Ills
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Feb 20 2005, 08:54 AM)
You can't fork with them, they are already out.
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Ol Sheila aint got nuthin on the Log Cabiners.
SpaceCowboy
You gotta realy want to be a republican to be a Log Cabin Republican.
Bart Katz
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Feb 20 2005, 10:57 AM)
You gotta realy want to be a republican to be a Log Cabin Republican.
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I guess they named that after Lincoln, since now we know that he was gay too. sad.gif
Bart Katz
By the same token, you gotta knock up a black chick to be a Jeffersonian dem.
Bee
QUOTE(G.G. @ Feb 20 2005, 12:00 PM)
You are right.  These people attempt to make everyone look bad for having an opinion.
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It's pretty obvious which party is the inclusive one when you look at the make-up of congress. Just some more of that "reality-avoidance" stuff, aka bullshit.

Don't believe reality, just larn what they tell you. Laughable and pitiful, I guess.
Human Ills
Oh, well since your hatred is directed toward Americans on the Right side of the political spectrum, I guess it's a FAMILY VALUE after all.

<THUMBSUP!>
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Bee @ Feb 20 2005, 11:03 AM)
It's pretty obvious which party is the inclusive one when you look at the make-up of congress. Just some more of that "reality-avoidance" stuff, aka bullshit.

Don't believe reality, just larn what they tell you. Laughable and pitiful, I guess.
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Someday, somehow, somewhere, one of you fanatical leftists is going to give a definition or your all's "reality". When that day arrives, I'll put it in for a national holiday.
Human Ills
QUOTE(G.G. @ Feb 20 2005, 09:07 AM)
I see Human Ills is posting a lot here, who do you think he is being abusive to today, you or me? 

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Both.

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Human Ills
Don't use my words against me! That's abusive!

Waaaaaaaa
Bart Katz
Let's all jump in a big pile and abuse each other. laugh.gif laugh.gif
Human Ills
QUOTE(G.G. @ Feb 20 2005, 09:10 AM)
Or maybe he's just following Bart around again.
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uh-huh. Nobody comes to the conclusion that your opinions are suspect by themselves, we all need Barto to lead the way.

Have you quit beating your homosexual cabana boy yet?
Human Ills
That's what I thought.
Human Ills
Jump on in Captain Savahoe.
Bix12
QUOTE(davisął @ Feb 20 2005, 08:59 AM)
This is a whole new era. It's all about media saturation. It doesn't even matter if it's true or not.
US citizens are arrogant to the point of stupidity. And gullible as hell.
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Davis....media saturation, indeed. And your observation about it not mattering whether or not it's true is bang on.

The coffee house I frequent has, as part of it's clientele, a fair share of college students. We were discussing truth the other day...as in "what is truth?". Apparently, in some of the debate courses being taught, truth...or rather, I should say lying, is not lying unless one is caught lying. In other words, one is allowed to say anything in the pursuit of "winning" an argument, no matter the validity. It is the "truth" up to, and until, the teller of the "truth" is caught falsifying information. It isn't a lie until you are caught lying....this is actually being taught on the college campus' now!

omg.

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Bix12
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Feb 20 2005, 10:10 AM)
Let's all jump in a big pile and abuse each other.  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Ohhhh.....the good ol' days, eh wot?

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Bee
QUOTE(G.G. @ Feb 20 2005, 12:07 PM)
I see Human Ills is posting a lot here, who do you think he is being abusive to today, you or me? 

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From the volume, I'd say both. laugh.gif
Bix12
QUOTE(Bee @ Feb 20 2005, 10:52 AM)
From the volume, I'd say both.  laugh.gif
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Volume denotes substance....no?

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Bart Katz
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Grigorii
QUOTE(Bix12 @ Feb 20 2005, 11:33 AM)
Davis....media saturation, indeed. And your observation about it not mattering whether or not it's true is bang on.

The coffee house I frequent has, as part of it's clientele, a fair share of college students. We were discussing truth the other day...as in "what is truth?". Apparently, in some of the debate courses being taught, truth...or rather, I should say lying, is not lying unless one is caught lying. In other words, one is allowed to say anything in the pursuit of "winning" an argument, no matter the validity. It is the "truth" up to, and until, the teller of the "truth" is caught falsifying information. It isn't a lie until you are caught lying....this is actually being taught on the college campus' now!

omg.

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It would be interesting to see one of those young idiots try to lie themselfs out of a quicksand pit....
Human Ills
QUOTE(Grigorii @ Feb 20 2005, 10:13 AM)
It would be interesting to see one of those young idiots try to lie themselfs out of a quicksand pit....
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Of course you mean young liberal idiots.
Bart Katz
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Human Ills
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Feb 20 2005, 10:20 AM)
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Teacher got owned.
Nomarchy
Wasn't G.G. saying that she hates Republicans?
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Human Ills @ Feb 20 2005, 12:22 PM)
Teacher got owned.
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Human Ills
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Feb 20 2005, 10:22 AM)
Wasn't G.G. saying that she hates Republicans?
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Yep.
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