Is that like 'distributed morality'? Does that mean that we're finally getting to the point that even conservatives will accept that the only objective truths are those which are so 'agreed upon', whether voluntarily or as a result of coercion or because some are organizationally outflanked so they 'voluntarily' chose to go along?

I figure the dude supposes truth is the property of the most adroit semanticist, the best shot to extend the analogy. The upholders of "truth" are guaranteed no wide spread acceptance anymore than liars are predestined not be believed. However, there are some truths that are like gravity; denying them is an exercise in futility that won't suspend a falling man regardless of how cleverly he argues. Wisdom is knowing what facts cannot hidden or ignored, even if acknowledgement of them obviates ones fondest desires.

I believe cable news has more audience than broadcast now.

CABLE NEWS RACE
THURS., FEB 24, 2005

FNC O'REILLY 2,181,000 [VIEWERS]
FNC HANNITY/COLMES 1,622,000
FNC SHEP SMITH 1,386,000
FNC BRIT HUME 1,318,000
FNC GRETA 1,307,000
CNN LARRY KING 1,004,000
CNN ZAHN 673,000
CNN AARON BROWN 551,000
CNN COOPER 524,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 388,000
CNN DOBBS 379,000
CNNHN NANCY GRACE 366,000
MSNBC SCARBOROUGH 240,000
MNSBC OLBERMANN/GANNON 208,000

[center]1. FOX
2. FOX
3. FOX
4. FOX
5. FOX[/CENTER]

Just why the left hates them so much. But they are more than balanced out by numbers on the other side. That's why the desire to control the growth of their market share by other than market means.

Sorry, I intended the terms interchangeably.

likewise, without the sorry

Actually AV, the left hates Fox because they are soooo subjective and manage to misinform their audience

Yeah, only lefties are objective

I think that lefties are truthful

Righties have no problem with spreading lies as long as the end justifies the means

That's why most Fox News viewers think we found WMDs, there is no excuse for that bit of altered realty unless it was deliberate.

Heck, they'll even pay unscupulous reporters to lie for them.

Wow, coulda knocked me over with a feather with that brilliant piece of opinion. Spare me the blatant hypocrisy.

If lefties actually believe their own bullshit, they are worse off than previously thought.

Hardly hypocritical. Merely an observation, media-wise, at any rate.

At least the "librul media" kept the facts straight.

You can't say that about Fox.

If I could get Fux propaganda without paying for it I would watch nothing else.

I, just like any other soldier, needs to know what the enemy is up to.

Bees' facts is like Bee's wax

Stating opinion as fact and declaring victory are just too typical.

Well, it's an observation backed up by fact.

Just because you don't want to believe the Pew and other polls doesn't mean that we all have to ignore reality.

But you can make the sky any color you like in your world, AV.

That do take the cake.

Funny that when you don't like a poll you bring up how they can be manipulated, and when you do like a poll you bring it up as proof of something. It's just asking a question and keeping track of the answers. I could "prove" almost anything with the money to run a poll.

It is simply so ironic (or hypocritical) that the bushlovers go on and on about media bias, yet turn a conspicuously blind eye when it really happens.

whatever.

It's really been happening. Now you just have to put up with some of it happening to you.

Payback's a bitch.

Oh? Happening to me?

Hmmm...

So when it happened to you ol clinton broke the law of the land?

LOL

"Payback" against the country really is a "beyotch."

Dems are only maybe a third of "the country", all your posts about "real Americans"
aside.

OK arti. You peg me for a "dem?"

??

If I havta be a fascist bush lovin' repuslican, you have to be a dem.

It's only fair. Hell, it's a lot more than fair.

Yer a beyotch coward is what you are.

Seems to me I have posted posts in which I said something to the likes of "No wonder I dont count you amongst the fascist bushlovers.." or something of the like.

If I was the type of guy to save quotes (for sig digs or somthing) I could prove it to you, oh you of the selective memory.

You make selective posts. I haven't changed from day one. Don't like Bush any more or less than the day I voted for McCain in the 2000 primary. But I'm not going to join the Dems, who I find are led mostly by weak-kneed defeatists and big government Stalinists.

You can see all my posts here. Just click on my name and search posts. Good luck.

whatever

Cute.

Rightwingers believe Bush and his administration BS even when it is proven wrong.

I'm watching Tim Russert on Meet the Press this morning.

He suuuure is sucking the administrations ass today. How disgusting. He may as well be on his knees.

Then you have Saffire and Friedman doing the same.

Liberal media my ass. If you watched 10 minutes of this apologist garbage and used a minimum of honest judgement you'd see they are sucking up to the Bush regime big time.

I expect a high level interveiw and Foxnews level access being granted to Russert soon.

Sell out.

You know Russert was the one who exposed Frist as a felon. He was caught on a god damned speakerphone trading campaign contributions for ambassadorships.

He confronted the Republican who was on the other end of the phone and asked him, "If you could tell Sen. Frist one thing what would it be?"

The arrogant assshole mofo said, without missing a beat, "I'd tell him not to use a speakerphone anymore."

That was all.

Media bias?

They ignore felonies left and right and I'm supposed to buy into the horseshit of liberal media bias?



Everyone laughed and Russert said That'll be all .... for now.

That story that exposed blatant illegal activity by a REPUBLICAN was deep sixed, never to see the forking light of day again.


THAT IS NOT LIBERAL MEDIA BIAS.


PERIOD.

Frist is still a criminal and I for one will not forget it. As are two others of his fellow Republicans leaders.

LIBERAL MEDIA MY ASS.

Sad, they hired Russert because he was a Dem and he didn't stick to the script.

Then after Meet the Press I get to watch the Chris Matthews show. Another guy they hired because he was a Dem. He didn't stick to the script well enough when Clinton was president and all the Dems hated him. Now that he's back on message he seems to be back in favor again.

Liberal media? If not it isn't for lack of trying.

What time is Stephanopoulous on?

Talk about not accurate.

I like Matthews, but the point was the networks NEVER hire ex-Rep operatives for their major programs.

This bs don't fly anymore. Once Bush got elected they knew if they didn't shape up they wouldn't get the access. Bottom line. It's a crock.

Stick to the script?

Bush should be impeached. The lying corporate pigs include the corporate media.

ooooooohhhh 30 year old National Guard memoes... oooohhhh that's a forking scoop. not.

I'm sick of this liberal media sh*t.

They would have crucified Clinton. Piece of crap hypocrites make me want to puke.

Sycophantic Media Abandons Professional Standards

By Paul Craig Roberts

The conservative media will never recover from its role as Chief Sycophant for the Bush administration. Journalists who demanded that Clinton be held accountable for a minor sex scandal (Monica Lewinsky) and a minor financial scandal (Whitewater) now serve as apologists and propagandists for the Bush administration’s major war scandals.

The Republican House of Representatives saw fit to impeach President Clinton for lying about sex. The same Republicans defend to the hilt Bush’s lies that launched America into an unjustified war that has killed and maimed tens of thousands of Iraqis and Americans, cost taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars, ruined America’s reputation, and lost forever the hearts and minds of Muslims.

No decent or sensible person can have confidence in journalists and politicians who take partisanship to such extreme lengths.

There is plenty of room in journalism and politics for arguments over issues and policies. But two solid years of lies is beyond the pale.

Conservative journalists and Republican politicians not only lie through their teeth, but also seek to destroy everyone who utters a word of dissent or truth.

For example, Tom Frank of The New Republic (once considered to be part of the hated "liberal press") recently expressed his thoughts in that unfortunate magazine. Frank wrote that dissenters from Bush’s gratuitous war should be beaten and even killed. He expressed his wish that Arnold Schwarzenegger would punch Stan Goff in the face. He wrote that seeing Arundhati Roy taken out with a "bunker buster" would be a satisfying experience. As for Sherry Wolf and other dissenters, "I wanted John Ashcroft to come busting through the wall with a submachine gun to round everyone up for an immediate trip to Gitmo, with Charles Graner on hand for interrogation." [Ball Fake, by Tom Frank, TNR Online, Jan 21, 2005]

What have Stan Goff, Arundhati Roy and Sherry Wolf done to inspire Tom Frank to reveal his brownshirted inner self?

A former Delta Force soldier, Goff joined up with Military Families Speak Out. Roy penned a defense of the right of Iraqis to resist military occupation, and Wolf agreed that Iraqis have a right to resist Bush’s occupation of Iraq. Frank views beatings, arrests, interrogations, torture, and death as appropriate responses to these peaceful expressions of dissent.

Conservatives regard dissent as a serious offense, but they think it is treasonous to give the public real information, as contrasted with Fox "News" propaganda. Former Newt Gingrich operative and current Washington Times editorial page editor Tony Blankley believes America’s premier investigative journalist, Seymour Hersh, should be arrested for treason and perhaps shot for warning Americans about the Bush administration’s plans to start a war with Iran.

"Conservative" talk radio hosts and Republican politicians are foaming at the mouth over Ward Churchill, a University of Colorado professor of ethics. The professor’s crime—and the crazed Republicans mean the word literally—is to have stated that the US should apply to itself the same standards it applies to other countries.

Those conservatives who have not joined the New Brownshirts might ask themselves why the mighty Bush apparatus and its legions of propagandists and sycophants feel so threatened by a few expressions of dissent, a few facts, and a simple ethical statement. Could it be that they know that their edifice of lies will come crashing down if anyone is allowed to utter dissent or a word of truth?

The conservative media has blown its great chance to gain credibility by holding Bush accountable as it did Clinton. Instead, the conservative media and talk radio have shown themselves to be political partisans who fight against truth. Justify Bush at all costs is their operative rule.

At least the German press and the Soviet press were forced into these roles by Hitler and Stalin. The American conservative media willingly adopted the role on its own.

The function of a journalist is to speak truth to power and to hold accountable those with power. Abandoning this role, the conservative media cheerleads for war, incompetent leaders, and a police state.


http://www.vdare.com/roberts/050215_media.htm

Clinton actually dodged the draft and the Dems said it didn't matter so the press dropped it. They sure changed fast when he was out of office.

<shakes head>

later.

A fair press agrees with davis 100%, not just 87.

Later Flexo.



Or are you the evil one?

hmmmm...

Good point. Has Rush or the Washington Times ever been [gasp] critical of W?

Or are they merely critical of his critics?

One more before the battle.

I don't expect them to agree 100%. But if a senator is exposed on national television as participating in a felony ... what else can I say?

If the story just dies ... that's a pretty good indication that the media is not biased against Frist.

The Democrats are responsible too. They helped create the problem. In the political realm, they are cowards. You know it, I know it.

They agreed to stop ethics complaints.

That was one of their main downfalls. It was stupid, wrong and possibly criminal. If you or I did it, it would be considered conspiracy to hide a felony or whatever the specific wording is.

There is not much of a liberal media. Every day they roll over a little more. ... it's become a laughing stock, IMO.

I'm sick of television journalism. Propagandized infotainment is of little value to me.

OK, now I'm outta here. I have to play this game.



I'll catch up with you later.

Hesh yer mouth, chile, and bite yer tongue.

What would Jimmy Carter have done?

I didn't know the pugs had bought the New York Times, Washington Post, ABC, CBS, NBC, and Time Warner, et al.

Rush or the Moonie Times? HA HA HA HA HAHAHAHA HA

Space gets it. Iran was a deteriorating situation for which Carter cannot be expected to take full blame any more than Kermit Roosevelt.