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BTW, whatever happened to pre-conception birth control?
QUOTE(Bix12 @ Jul 5 2005, 10:02 PM)
Actually, I was under the impression that Bee wanted the pharmicist to fill the prescription given to the patient by the patient's doctor, nothing more, nothing less.
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So if I understand you correctly, if you were licensed gun dealer, and someone came and said they wanted to buy a .38 to shoot their kids with, you'd have no moral issue with selling it to him? You should lose your license if you refuse? Even if you just refer him to the Wal-Mart down the street, where they WILL sell him a .38, you still lose your license?
QUOTE(Human Ills @ Jul 6 2005, 12:31 AM)
Obviously I'm of the opinion that the plight of the "patient" is being overstated to chip away at religious freedom just as some think that the sensibilities of the religious is being used to chip away at RvW.
I also happen to put more stock into a specifically enumerated right dating to the founding than a discovered right younger than myself.
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I also happen to put more stock into a specifically enumerated right dating to the founding than a discovered right younger than myself.
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The right wasn't "discovered", merely acknowledged. Sometimes society must progress to a point of maturity before inalienable and inherent rights are recognized.
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Jul 6 2005, 12:39 AM)
So if I understand you correctly, if you were licensed gun dealer, and someone came and said they wanted to buy a .38 to shoot their kids with, you'd have no moral issue with selling it to him? You should lose your license if you refuse? Even if you just refer him to the Wal-Mart down the street, where they WILL sell him a .38, you still lose your license?
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That's just absurd.
No, it isn't. It's the situation as viewed from the perspective of a pro-life pharmacist.
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Jul 6 2005, 12:43 AM)
No, it isn't. It's the situation as viewed from the perspective of a pro-life pharmacist.
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Okay...then if I understand you correctly, the pharmacist may withhold any medication from any individual, if by distributing that medication the pharmacist would have to violate a personal moral conviction?
That particular moral conviction, yes--one that would, according to his beliefs, make him an accomplice to murder.
This exception is already extended by present law to doctors, nurses and other health care workers--like consiencious objecters, they are excused from performing or participating in abortions if they have moral or religious objections to abortion.
Bee, you still haven't answered about whether you think doctors should also be threatened with loss of license if they refuse to perform an abortion.
This exception is already extended by present law to doctors, nurses and other health care workers--like consiencious objecters, they are excused from performing or participating in abortions if they have moral or religious objections to abortion.
Bee, you still haven't answered about whether you think doctors should also be threatened with loss of license if they refuse to perform an abortion.
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Jul 6 2005, 12:00 AM)
That particular moral conviction, yes--one that would, according to his beliefs, make him an accomplice to murder.
This exception is already extended by present law to doctors, nurses and other health care workers--like consiencious objecters, they are excused from performing or participating in abortions if they have moral or religious objections to abortion.
Bee, you still haven't answered about whether you think doctors should also be threatened with loss of license if they refuse to perform an abortion.
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This exception is already extended by present law to doctors, nurses and other health care workers--like consiencious objecters, they are excused from performing or participating in abortions if they have moral or religious objections to abortion.
Bee, you still haven't answered about whether you think doctors should also be threatened with loss of license if they refuse to perform an abortion.
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I think there is a big difference between performing an abortion and dispensing a pill which may or may not be used by a second party, at their discretion.
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Jul 5 2005, 10:03 PM)
I think there is a big difference between performing an abortion and dispensing a pill which may or may not be used by a second party, at their discretion.
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Difference or not, should a pharmacist be forced to fill that prescription? How about if there is a company policy to make sure it gets filled, just maybe not by that pharmacist?
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jul 6 2005, 12:07 AM)
Difference or not, should a pharmacist be forced to fill that prescription? How about if there is a company policy to make sure it gets filled, just maybe not by that pharmacist?
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That's fine by me. For now, I would leave it to the employers to decide.
seems to me most of the prescriptions are intended to prevent, not end, a pregnancy.
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Jul 5 2005, 10:10 PM)
That's fine by me. For now, I would leave it to the employers to decide.
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That is my preference, though some disclosure might be in order. One of my first girlfriends got her BC right from the Planned Parenthood clinic here. I just can't go with the idea of forcing individuals to do some things when it can be worked around. Maybe if half of pharmacists were hardcore right to life it would be a bigger deal. 2,500 out of 960,000 just doesn't seem worth having new laws forcing people to do something they find abhorrent.
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jul 6 2005, 12:17 AM)
That is my preference, though some disclosure might be in order. One of my first girlfriends got her BC right from the Planned Parenthood clinic here. I just can't go with the idea of forcing individuals to do some things when it can be worked around. Maybe if half of pharmacists were hardcore right to life it would be a bigger deal. 2,500 out of 960,000 just doesn't seem worth having new laws forcing people to do something they find abhorrent.
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I agree - if this becomes a bigger issue, maybe make dislcosure mandatory, as you suggest.
"...like consiencious objecters, they are excused from performing or participating in abortions if they have moral or religious objections to abortion."
Sure. But unlike consiencious objecters they seem to think they need to be in the foxholes on the front lines rather than in the rear with the gear where they are less likely to be put in a kill or be killed position.
Sure. But unlike consiencious objecters they seem to think they need to be in the foxholes on the front lines rather than in the rear with the gear where they are less likely to be put in a kill or be killed position.
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Jul 6 2005, 01:00 AM)
That particular moral conviction, yes--one that would, according to his beliefs, make him an accomplice to murder.
This exception is already extended by present law to doctors, nurses and other health care workers--like consiencious objecters, they are excused from performing or participating in abortions if they have moral or religious objections to abortion.
Bee, you still haven't answered about whether you think doctors should also be threatened with loss of license if they refuse to perform an abortion.
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This exception is already extended by present law to doctors, nurses and other health care workers--like consiencious objecters, they are excused from performing or participating in abortions if they have moral or religious objections to abortion.
Bee, you still haven't answered about whether you think doctors should also be threatened with loss of license if they refuse to perform an abortion.
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Oh, that particular moral conviction. In order to act upon that conviction, the pharmacist would have to make the determination as to precisely what is, and isn't, an abortion. In order for that to happen, the pharmacist must first decide when human life begins. Now we have someone violating someone else's right of access to medication based upon nothing more than a "feeling".
Is this the sort of precedent that a chemist should be allowed to set? Better for us all, as a society, to have the pharmacist just fill the 'script as written, me thinks.
The scrip is already known to be an abortifacient. No need for the druggist to make that determination.
QUOTE(Bix12 @ Jul 5 2005, 10:24 PM)
Better for us all, as a society, to have the pharmacist just fill the 'script as written, me thinks.
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By "have" I assume you "make".
Will that go for all prescriptions?
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jul 6 2005, 01:42 AM)
By "have" I assume you "make".
Will that go for all prescriptions?
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Will that go for all prescriptions?
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I'd, personally, say yes, all prescriptions written by a medical doctor.
QUOTE(Bix12 @ Jul 5 2005, 10:44 PM)
I'd, personally, say yes, all prescriptions written by a medical doctor.
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Might as well just have a clerk and an automatic pill counter. Not all bad, but the patient and doctor will be stuck taking more responsibility.
QUOTE(Human Ills @ Jul 5 2005, 08:13 PM)
Both Celt and FJ are more thoughtful and well-spoken, not to mention better educated, and they mopped the floor with your argument.
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No, rather than say just why it was that they thought one person should expect their employer, and in the case of walmart the entire corporation, to make exceptions to the detriment of XX amount of customers they instead continuously brought up the "..dont want to do because of their religious beliefs. Whats so hard to understand about that?" thing over and over. Well considering lots of folks would think that to be a lie, it isnt substantial enough.
They didnt mop any floor with anything.
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jul 6 2005, 02:01 AM)
Might as well just have a clerk and an automatic pill counter. Not all bad, but the patient and doctor will be stuck taking more responsibility.
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Not to mention another real job lost...
I guess that could be debated. Doesn't look like some people think it's a "real" job anymore than somebody at an Auto Zone parts counter.
Hasta Manana.
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jul 6 2005, 01:19 AM)
Hasta Manana.
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l8r g8r.
sorry boss. I'm not sellin spark plugs any more. It's immoral and you cant make me do it,
QUOTE(Bee @ Jul 5 2005, 06:53 PM)
Guess there's not much of a market for Green Tea Kit-Kat Bars. (No kidding, I have one)
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Green tea will fuck up your mind.
QUOTE(Bee @ Jul 5 2005, 10:33 PM)
Murder? Are they forcefully ending someones life? Sticking them with a knife? Slitting their throat? Pouring the pills down forcefully?
No.
They are expected to do their job and dole out the pills. If they can't, they find someone that can. Otherwise they must do their job.
They law will be clarified but maybe in a way you're too dim to see. A look at whose rushing the bills to state legislatures to protect the "pitiful pull pushers" make it simple to see the intent. It will hurt a lot of women.
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No.
They are expected to do their job and dole out the pills. If they can't, they find someone that can. Otherwise they must do their job.
They law will be clarified but maybe in a way you're too dim to see. A look at whose rushing the bills to state legislatures to protect the "pitiful pull pushers" make it simple to see the intent. It will hurt a lot of women.
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Please take this shit back to the forum where you left it.
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jul 6 2005, 02:10 AM)
I guess that could be debated. Doesn't look like some people think it's a "real" job anymore than somebody at an Auto Zone parts counter.
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Come on, AV, does foisting one's beliefs on, and to the detriment of, another make one's job more "real"?
By real, I meant not only one that could be considered a career, and as such, able to give one a sense of personal satisfaction, but one that is integral to the fabric of a community while also providing the means to contribute economically to our society, as a whole.
And according to you, there are potentially...ummmm, I think you said 190,000+ such jobs existing on the market right now.
See ya tomorrow...hope you feel better.
QUOTE(Bix12 @ Jul 5 2005, 11:16 PM)
That would be the pharmacist's problem, not the patient's.
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Seems it's more Bee's problem than anyone's. And now yours too since your doing your usual suck up act.
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Jul 6 2005, 02:38 AM)
Seems it's more Bee's problem than anyone's. And now yours too since your doing your usual suck up act.
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QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Jul 5 2005, 11:35 PM)
BTW, whatever happened to pre-conception birth control?
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Don't work so good in after the act "emergicies".
QUOTE(Mizilus @ Jul 6 2005, 02:27 AM)
sorry boss. I'm not sellin spark plugs any more. It's immoral and you cant make me do it,
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You could be providing the means for someone to get into a fatal automoble accident.
QUOTE(Bix12 @ Jul 5 2005, 10:42 PM)
You could be providing the means for someone to get into a fatal automoble accident.
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No ya see their car wont start without spark plugs. They cant go anywhere if they cant start so I'm totally a hero as I have prevented something that God doesnt like.
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QUOTE(Bix12 @ Jul 5 2005, 10:39 PM)
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Thats interesting. I've never seen you suck up to me ever. And this is especially erroneous since walgreens started it by allowing this crap, I sent hem an email which they answered and I posted the lot, then Bee came along and "sucked up" to me after arti and the usual clowns made fun of it.
QUOTE(Mizilus @ Jul 6 2005, 02:44 AM)
No ya see their car wont start without spark plugs. They cant go anywhere if they cant start so I'm totally a hero as I have prevented something that God doesnt like.
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You are a lifesaver!
And I've no doubt that God loves you more than the guy that would morally bankrupt himself by selling the sparkplugs...
QUOTE(Bix12 @ Jul 5 2005, 10:50 PM)
You are a lifesaver!
And I've no doubt that God loves you more than the guy that would morally bankrupt himself by selling the sparkplugs...
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And I've no doubt that God loves you more than the guy that would morally bankrupt himself by selling the sparkplugs...
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There is no way that I can be a Christian and work for a place that sells spark plugs.
I have spoken.
QUOTE(Mizilus @ Jul 6 2005, 02:48 AM)
Thats interesting. I've never seen you suck up to me ever. And this is especially erroneous since walgreens started it by allowing this crap, I sent hem an email which they answered and I posted the lot, then Bee came along and "sucked up" to me after arti and the usual clowns made fun of it.
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I don't see agreeing with common sense as sucking up...no matter who happens to exhibit it.
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I don't see agreeing with common sense as sucking up...no matter who happens to exhibit it.
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See there ya go again sucking up.
I don't see agreeing with common sense as sucking up...no matter who happens to exhibit it.
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See there ya go again sucking up.
It's a far cry from a doctor or a nurse ACTIVELY participating in an abortion. Handing someone a precription isn't the the same thing at all. It is not "murder by any stretch of the imagination which is why pharmicists were not included in those laws in the first place. It's like holding a grocery clerk accountable for selling someone aspirin who committed suicide with it.
I guess these people can't sell bullets and guns either. What is the purpose of a gun? It's already been ascertiained a gun is for killing. Gun shop owners should be forced to hire these people and not care if they refuse to sell bullets by that questionable logic.
It's also a bit silly to ignore the fact tht these incidents have become increasingly frequent in the last year. Gee, what does that mean? Maybe someone is trying to manipulate someone?
I guess these people can't sell bullets and guns either. What is the purpose of a gun? It's already been ascertiained a gun is for killing. Gun shop owners should be forced to hire these people and not care if they refuse to sell bullets by that questionable logic.
It's also a bit silly to ignore the fact tht these incidents have become increasingly frequent in the last year. Gee, what does that mean? Maybe someone is trying to manipulate someone?
I'm always amazed at a time like this when I'm in here late and folks east of me are in here.
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Jul 6 2005, 01:10 AM)
That's fine by me. For now, I would leave it to the employers to decide.
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That is the policy, unfortunately, that is not what these pharmacists are doing.
Why that point keeps getting overlooked is beyond me.
QUICK!!.... Somebody suck up to me!
QUOTE(Mizilus @ Jul 6 2005, 04:04 AM)
I'm always amazed at a time like this when I'm in here late and folks east of me are in here.
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The sun rises in the east
QUOTE(Mizilus @ Jul 6 2005, 04:05 AM)
QUICK!!.... Somebody suck up to me!
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QUOTE(Mizilus @ Jul 6 2005, 04:05 AM)
QUICK!!.... Somebody suck up to me!
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God Loves You Best!!!!
QUOTE(Bee @ Jul 6 2005, 12:06 AM)
The sun rises in the east
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Surely not at 4am.
QUOTE(Bix12 @ Jul 6 2005, 12:07 AM)
God Loves You Best!!!!
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As long as I dont sell spark plugs and accept Jesus Christ as my personal savior I feel confident in my final destination.
Here's my answer Judy.
It's my deeply held religious belief that if anyone is in a position to save a life that they should have to do it or their immortal soul will be in danger. Witholding their services is the same thing as murder. Those doctors and nurses step all over my religious beliefs.
Now what?
That is, of course, an entirely different question than the one involving pharmacists.
It's my deeply held religious belief that if anyone is in a position to save a life that they should have to do it or their immortal soul will be in danger. Witholding their services is the same thing as murder. Those doctors and nurses step all over my religious beliefs.
Now what?
That is, of course, an entirely different question than the one involving pharmacists.
QUOTE(Mizilus @ Jul 6 2005, 04:08 AM)
As long as I dont sell spark plugs and accept Jesus Christ as my personal savior I feel confident in my final destination.
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Or bullets, or aspirin.
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