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Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(kaliessin @ Jan 4 2007, 06:48 PM) [snapback]273837[/snapback]





I think judy actually does that.


Balances out your little doll and the push pins. smile.gif
Friend Judy
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jan 4 2007, 03:11 PM) [snapback]273755[/snapback]

I've never heard you admire anyone funny. Actually, I don't recall hearing you "admire" much of anyone. Analyze and critique perhaps, but admiration doesn't seem to be your bag. That's alright by me.


Johnny Carson's political humor was funny. So is Jay Leno, Doonsebury, and Mallard Fillmore. Letterman and SNL are rarely funny about politics these days. From time to time, so is Olberman, though he's an entertainer, not the "journalist" he pretends to be. George Will can be pretty funny sometimes, and Bill Safire can be a hoot with his droll humor. When he tries, Bill Cristol can be really funny.

Russ Logan is often funny. Space is regularly funny.


QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jan 4 2007, 06:45 PM) [snapback]273833[/snapback]

If I liked Bush as much as they hate him I'd have a statue in the yard and candles burning in front of it 24/7. I'm afraid Dems will block anything Bush does in the name of security and STILL blame him if something slips by, regardless of how their efforts to subvert him weaken security. Outside of searching containers (probably with union labor), I can't think of any Dem ideas to help win the war on terror.


Believe it or not, I don't hate BUSH, and would be happy to have him and Laura over for a no-politics dinner at my house. He appears to be a nice enough human being, in way, way over his head. It's his POLICIES and his PERFORMANCE I hate. Mostly grades D & F, punctuated by the occasional "incomplete, unable to grade because this makes no sense at all, please rewrite and resubmit with relation to reality".
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Jan 4 2007, 07:46 PM) [snapback]273835[/snapback]

Re the conservative court: Scalia has already said that "signing statements" have no force, only the text of the law as passed by Congress and signed by the prez counts. He is indeed a strict contructionist. Too strict, imo, though I'm a strict constructionist too. I simply allow for analogies to the principles originally expressed, like tapping a telephone being a form of "search".

So there's gonna be no help from Scalia in this department, should anyone ever figure out who has standing to sue re signing statements. That's gonna be hard, and take some subpeonas, since Bush classifies all instances where he put his signing statements, rather than the law, into practice.

As I see it, the signing statements are meant in part to offer some protection to executive branch employees in the event of legal challenge.

I can imagine a case in which the court rules the signing statement irrelevant to the interpretation of the law, rules the government's conduct against the law, but permits the signing statement to be used in the defense of an individual.

Most criminal statues require criminal intent on the part of the offender. Perhaps signing statements could be helpful to defendants.
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Jan 4 2007, 06:54 PM) [snapback]273842[/snapback]


Johnny Carson's political humor was funny. So is Jay Leno, Doonsebury, and Mallard Fillmore. Letterman and SNL are rarely funny about politics these days. From time to time, so is Olberman, though he's an entertainer, not the "journalist" he pretends to be. George Will can be pretty funny sometimes, and Bill Safire can be a hoot with his droll humor. When he tries, Bill Cristol can be really funny.


Leno was inteviewed here locally, says he tried to go after both sides, but he hires writers, so who knows what his own politcal humor runs too. Never cared for Mallard, and Doonesbury got old long ago.

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Believe it or not, I don't hate BUSH, and would be happy to have him and Laura over for a no-politics dinner at my house.


You're more the contemptuous type. The rank and file Dems hate him.


Friend Judy
Still, my contempt is for his policies and performance. I'm sure he's a great guy to watch a football game with, or have pizza and beer.
Celt Cahill
I'm not sure of the ordinal rank : Abhor, detest, hate, contempt.

But do keep me at the top, though.
Friend Judy
Personally, or politically?
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Jan 4 2007, 07:16 PM) [snapback]273851[/snapback]
Still, my contempt is for his policies and performance. I'm sure he's a great guy to watch a football game with, or have pizza and beer.


Somehow I just can't imagine you or he having much fun over pizza and beer. (but the press would love to catch him with a beer)
Celt Cahill
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Jan 4 2007, 08:25 PM) [snapback]273855[/snapback]

Personally, or politically?



It's become both.

I found him merely distasteful in his early attempt at state politics, and it was political at the point where he became governor, but it was while he was being tutored and before he was nominated that it became personal too.

I had more respect for Reagan and Nixon and understood why they thought they could be President. I think Reagan was merely mistaken, but where it came from made sense.

But shrub has never had the right to think of himself in those terms, and he should know better. I got really incensedat his interactions with McCain too.

And every thought, word, deed and breath since he was nominated.

The in breaths and the outbreaths.
Arturo_Vandelay
I just find it all too amusing. I used to abhor and make fun of him, but seeing what kind of people hate him, I got used to the idea that better him than people who would be just as happy being Fins, Cubans or Canadians.
Mizilus
aint just dems that hate his evil arrogant ass. Hell his whole evil thieving family.
Bart Katz
Keeping a bucket of TNT under your bed and a ticket to Ireland in your pocket is far better than having a Bushie candle in your yard.
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jan 4 2007, 08:35 PM) [snapback]273861[/snapback]

I just find it all too amusing. I used to abhor and make fun of him, but seeing what kind of people hate him, I got used to the idea that better him than people who would be just as happy being Fins, Cubans or Canadians.


I've come to feel better about him personally actually. I resented his dynastical position, easy life of half assed failures, and sponsored rise to power.

Still, there the poor bastidge is, struggling to do his best. He deserves credit for that.
davis像
Bush is an arrogant silver spooned tyrant.


He has torn our country apart using his and Rove's wonderful style of politics. He is a known liar and a criminal by any standard we used before 9/11.

QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Jan 4 2007, 08:41 PM) [snapback]273866[/snapback]

I've come to feel better about him personally actually. I resented his dynastical position, easy life of half assed failures, and sponsored rise to power.

Still, there the poor bastidge is, struggling to do his best. He deserves credit for that.



Bullsheit. I have no idea how you can feel that about him. It's so crystal clear to me I can't even imagine why anyone would believe a single word he says. especially considering his track record.

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Still, there the poor bastidge is, struggling to do his best. He deserves credit for that.



Unbelievable. Jesus, what a fargin joke.
Bart Katz
farkoff you moronic biatch
davis像
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Jan 4 2007, 08:46 PM) [snapback]273870[/snapback]

farkoff you moronic biatch



which hymn would you care to be serenaded with this evening brother bart?
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Jan 4 2007, 07:41 PM) [snapback]273866[/snapback]

Still, there the poor bastidge is, struggling to do his best. He deserves credit for that.


I'm afraid that there's nothing a person with his beliefs could do to please Dems, and especially leftist Dems. No amount of "competence" or anything else would please them because of basic ideology. I suppose if he'd had some magical plan to stop bin Laden, expose Al Qaeda's plots, made Saddam abdicate, the Taliban disband, rerouted Katrina, and tried to raise taxes instead of lowering MAYBE he would be SLIGHTLY less hated.

Generally I just chalk most of it up to the fact he says he's going to do things leftists don't like, and damned if that isn't exactly what he does.
davis像
What he has done, Bush's actions determine how I feel about him. He deserves -0- trust and to pity him is slightly ridiculous considering what Mr "uniter" has done to our country.


And the world.
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(davis像 @ Jan 4 2007, 08:47 PM) [snapback]273872[/snapback]

which hymn would you care to be serenaded with this evening brother bart?

Preacher, I think you need to look to the moat in thine own eye first.
Bart Katz
Ain't no jizzbag like davis got a right to call me bro. mad.gif
davis像


QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Jan 4 2007, 09:01 PM) [snapback]273880[/snapback]

Preacher, I think you need to look to the moat in thine own eye first.




It is mote, moron.

And I think I listened to quite enough of Bart Katz's faith-based, General Jesus, situational ethics BULLSHEIT for years to justify my response.

You remember that oath I took to remind him every time one of those slugs was outed as an immoral douchebag?

Now is my time. I am going to love it.
Bart Katz
Shove it up your ass, you farking cocksucking fo'shizzle ridden snake.
davis像
Let's see, is that the "morals" part or the "values" part.

Seems like the usual crap to me.
Celt Cahill
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Jan 4 2007, 08:41 PM) [snapback]273866[/snapback]

I've come to feel better about him personally actually. I resented his dynastical position, easy life of half assed failures, and sponsored rise to power.

Still, there the poor bastidge is, struggling to do his best. He deserves credit for that.



His best so clearly what it is, he should resign for the good of the country and mankind.

He is so ignorant he really cannot see the position he and we with him are in, and for that he gets my contempt.

No, I'd feel that way about Kerry if he'd won - one reason I'm glad he didn't.
SpaceCowboy
First, the mote referred to your lack of Christian or even secular human empathy for the president. Hatred even.

As to Bart- cuss him out for whatever you like, but I think Christian attack is off base.

QUOTE(davis像 @ Jan 4 2007, 09:04 PM) [snapback]273883[/snapback]

It is mote, moron.

Yes, it is. quite right.

And I think I listened to quite enough of Bart Katz's faith-based, General Jesus, situational ethics BULLSHEIT for years to justify my response.

You and Bart have been at war for years, and I don't blame you for keeping it up.

Except I can't remember Bart being a bible thumper since I've been around.

Bub's a thumper. Charlie Ray is a thumper. Carol and Judy at times too.

But not Bart, as best I can recall.



You remember that oath I took to remind him every time one of those slugs was outed as an immoral douchebag?

Now is my time. I am going to love it.

Have a nice time.

Bart Katz
Davis doesn't remind me of poopy unless someone quotes him. I just randomly tell him to fark off from time to time in an unorganized manner in no specifice order.
Mizilus
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jan 4 2007, 06:58 PM) [snapback]273878[/snapback]

I suppose if he'd had some magical plan to stop bin Laden, expose Al Qaeda's plots, made Saddam abdicate, the Taliban disband...


Why, oh why in the sweet f--- would he want to do any of that? Nobody, but nobody, has profitted more from any of that than AWOL and his mindless followers. The guy is a thieving moronic embarasment at best.



QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jan 4 2007, 06:58 PM) [snapback]273878[/snapback]

Generally I just chalk most of it up to the fact he says he's going to do things leftists don't like, and damned if that isn't exactly what he does.


BS. An unelected liar that has acted like it the whole time. Why act like he wasnt worried about being re-elected? Because he didnt have to worry. The fix was in. Eff him and the quarter or less of the country that kisses his ass.
Arturo_Vandelay
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I think you're stealing davis' rants.

Dont' worry, the chick party has half of government so the mean old military-industrial complex warmongers won't be able to kill those poor little terrorists or open their emails much longer.
Bee
Actually if Bush was merely competent, no one would "hate"him.

It's hard to like a despot. Not if you love America.

I understand some put party ahead of that. I don't. He and Cheney should be impeached. As Americans, we should insist on it. It's an important remedy to the type of outrageous corruption Bush has arrogantly demonstrated. That s WHY it is mentioned six times in the constitution.

No one should be able to get away with the crimes these jokers have committed in our name. No one is above the law in this country. including a Bush, a v.p., or a president. 3,006 American soldiers need SOMEONE to stand up for THEM.

As for the lame "excuse" that others dislike of Bush "pushes" people to excuse the inexcusable deeds he has done, that's got to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life.

Sounds like something a peevish 6-year-old would claim upon being proven wrong by a younger sibling. It's contemptable in a so-called adult.
davis像
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Jan 4 2007, 09:24 PM) [snapback]273893[/snapback]

First, the mote referred to your lack of Christian or even secular human empathy for the president. Hatred even.

As to Bart- cuss him out for whatever you like, but I think Christian attack is off base.



I have -0- empathy for Bush. Period. He is the worse our country could do in a time of instability. He has turned our country into a cultural battlefield. He and his ilk have torn us apart and destroyed what was left of bipartisanship for political gain. Screw that heartless bastard.

As for Bart?


Have that loverly man tell us all how he and his Christian party are inherently morally superior to everyone, being the ONLY REAL OPTION for anyone who has any morals whatsoever. Have him tell me why my dad and anyone else who disagrees with his party is a traitor. OK? That's all we heard during the "morals and values" campaign. If you don't like what I have to say you can just have a nice day yourself. I am enjoying every second of the destruction of what they have created in the last 5 years.

My Christian attack is off base?

Bwahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahha!!!

How about that sack of turds act like a Christian then? Oh right, don't tell him how to practice HIS religion. Suuuuure, it's fine and dandy for that entire party to wrap themselves in Jesus and the flag and act like heartless animals. lol.







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Yes, it is. quite right.


I remeber being beaten by "morals and values" I told those folks what I would do. Turn around is fair play.




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You and Bart have been at war for years, and I don't blame you for keeping it up.

Except I can't remember Bart being a bible thumper since I've been around.

Bub's a thumper. Charlie Ray is a thumper. Carol and Judy at times too.

But not Bart, as best I can recall.


Ever heard him call everyone north of the Mason Dickson line as elitist, godless, bluestate liberals? Ever heard him and the rest of his Republican faith based goons trash everyone who isn't an evangelical as godless?



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Have a nice time.


Thank you I will.

Payback is a motherforker isn't it? Just wait until the indictments start on the Jesus camp. You think I taunt them now? Wait till some of these lowlife scumbags (but morally superior) gets busted for being god damned extraordinary criminals.

Ever seen me dance?

QUOTE(Bee @ Jan 5 2007, 06:02 AM) [snapback]273923[/snapback]

Actually if Bush was merely competent, no one would "hate"him.

It's hard to like a despot. Not if you love America.

I understand some put party ahead of that. I don't. He and Cheney should be impeached. As Americans, we should insist on it. It's an important remedy to the type of outrageous corruption Bush has arrogantly demonstrated. That s WHY it is mentioned six times in the constitution.

No one should be able to get away with the crimes these jokers have committed in our name. No one is above the law in this country. including a Bush, a v.p., or a president. 3,006 American soldiers need SOMEONE to stand up for THEM.

As for the lame "excuse" that others dislike of Bush "pushes" people to excuse the inexcusable deeds he has done, that's got to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life.

Sounds like something a peevish 6-year-old would claim upon being proven wrong by a younger sibling. It's contemptable in a so-called adult.



Morning bee. How's dem morals and values? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
Bee
QUOTE(davis像 @ Jan 5 2007, 07:44 AM) [snapback]273929[/snapback]

Morning bee. How's dem morals and values? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


Fine. This "clueless, knee-jerk, New England liberal" had to put her hip waders on this morning. rolleyes.gif

What a bunch of BS.
davis像
It's OK.



Just be sure to have Christian or even secular human empathy for the president.

Nevermind that he is responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands of people and the de-stabilization of the Middle East and the entire world. Nevermind that he is responsible for the United States making torture official policy. Nevermind that he is turning the clock back over 200 years and embracing the destruction of our Constitution and all rule of law. Nevermind that he wants to turn us into a police state with no privacy or rights at all.


Try to ignore all that. Just make sure you have empathy.
Bee
Oh, I do have that. Just not to the point where I'll excuse a despot. I can't help but wonder at the motivations of those that do.

It's gone far beyond a disagreement over policy. It's all about ego.

Pardon me if I find that incredibly pathetic and even unAmerican.
Repub_Bub
QUOTE(davis像 @ Jan 5 2007, 04:44 AM) [snapback]273929[/snapback]


Payback is a motherforker isn't it? Just wait until the indictments start on the Jesus camp. You think I taunt them now? Wait till some of these lowlife scumbags (but morally superior) gets busted for being god damned extraordinary criminals.

Ever seen me dance?


So, you're suggesting that there may be a distinctive quality to your different ranting styles? laugh.gif

QUOTE(Bee @ Jan 5 2007, 05:13 AM) [snapback]273933[/snapback]

Fine. This "clueless, knee-jerk, New England liberal" had to put her hip waders on this morning. rolleyes.gif

What a bunch of BS.

Knee-deep in lapdogs and minions?
Bee
In comparison to Bub's utterly boring and predictably childish taunts, they're Pulitzer material. rolleyes.gif
davis像
Mister fister has -0-.
beasty
QUOTE(Bee @ Jan 5 2007, 05:02 AM) [snapback]273923[/snapback]

Actually if Bush was merely competent, no one would "hate"him.

It's hard to like a despot. Not if you love America.



The problem is the people who complain the loudest really do love America and American ideals least. They want to model our institutions and policies after socialist and communist regimes. How becoming more like France is loving America is beyond me.


QUOTE(Bee @ Jan 5 2007, 06:24 AM) [snapback]273937[/snapback]

Oh, I do have that. Just not to the point where I'll excuse a despot.


I hope you never have to live under a true despot if you can't survive the US political system.
davis像
QUOTE(beasty @ Jan 5 2007, 09:16 AM) [snapback]273951[/snapback]

The problem is the people who complain the loudest really do love America and American ideals least. They want to model our institutions and policies after socialist and communist regimes. How becoming more like France is loving America is beyond me.
I hope you never have to live under a true despot if you can't survive the US political system.




How becoming more like the old USSR is loving America is beyond me.



Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(davis像 @ Jan 5 2007, 08:21 AM) [snapback]273956[/snapback]




How becoming more like the old USSR is loving America is beyond me.





When the government starves and murders 40 million people, then maybe you'll have a case. rolleyes.gif
davis像
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jan 5 2007, 09:26 AM) [snapback]273959[/snapback]

When the government starves and murders 40 million people, then maybe you'll have a case. rolleyes.gif



I have a case now. There are similarities whether you like it or not. Just saying 40 million dead does not erase the fact that the current administration has undermined the Constitution and all laws that might impede their quest for global dominace. Secret arrests, prisons, torture, spying on us, using any and all means to gain even more federal power?

Sure artie, that's why old Ronnie Reagan defended the USSR. Because he admired them and their inhuman behavior.
beasty
QUOTE(davis像 @ Jan 5 2007, 08:33 AM) [snapback]273961[/snapback]

I have a case now.


You are a case.
davis像
QUOTE(beasty @ Jan 5 2007, 09:41 AM) [snapback]273963[/snapback]

You are a case.



Fair enough.
beasty
The Democrats hated Reagan for calling the USSR the evil empire when they DID murder, and hate Bush because he's out fighting terrorists and REAL DESPOTS, instead of trying to negotiate with them.

They don't negotiate in good faith. Not with infidels.
davis像
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hate Bush because he's out fighting terrorists and REAL DESPOTS



Hardly. He's stirring up the rest of the world against us. The man knows jacksheit about diplomacy.

I don't hate Bush 'cause he's fight'n REAL terrorists and despots.

I don't like Bush because of what he has done to our country. Our standing in the world sucks because of him. I also don't like him because he's forced the radical rightwing big business platform on the US using war and terrorism as a vehicle. I think all the bullsheit the Republicans have passed with hardly anyone even remotely aware of what is in the bills and laws is a cheat and a sham. Remeber the freedom tankers? I DO. Most of what Republicans put in bills had absolutely nothing to do with terrorism or stopping it, it had everything to do with using the issue for financial and political gain. A nationwide database of all domestic calls doesn't equal fighting terrorists, it equals big brother. You goofballs have thrown the baby out with the bathwater. Now that it's obvious what's been done you have to support it all.

Protectin' freedom by killing it.
beasty
QUOTE(davis像 @ Jan 5 2007, 09:07 AM) [snapback]273971[/snapback]

Hardly. He's stirring up the rest of the world against us. The man knows jacksheit about diplomacy.



The rest of the world is finding out what happens when you kowtow to terror.Someday they won't just be burning cars in France or killing writers in Holland.
Mizilus
QUOTE(beasty @ Jan 5 2007, 07:44 AM) [snapback]273966[/snapback]

and hate Bush because he's out fighting terrorists and REAL DESPOTS, instead of trying to negotiate with them.


Well look! Theres some more BS.

The problem is I ®aq and it has nothing to do with terrorists. As for despots I'm sure saddam was one back when rummy was shaking his hand doing weapons deals.
Bee
QUOTE(beasty @ Jan 5 2007, 10:16 AM) [snapback]273951[/snapback]

The problem is the people who complain the loudest really do love America and American ideals least. They want to model our institutions and policies after socialist and communist regimes. How becoming more like France is loving America is beyond me.
I hope you never have to live under a true despot if you can't survive the US political system.

What utter BS. Socialist, maybe. Communist? Codswallop. Illogical fearmongering is just stupid. Protesting the more "Stalin-like" edicts from this administration is EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what you are accusing the left of.

I guess I should wait until they declare themselves King before I practice that little thing called "eternal vigilance?" If no one had complained or protested, the Republicans would be busy giving more of the treasury away to corporations, likely declaring war in Iran, and spending even less time in the House, (if that's possible) doing their actual job, which is to oversee the OTHER branches of gubmint and govern wisely in the best interests of the Country. Kicking Saddams ass was NOT in our best interest, which is WHY Bush senior didn't do it and no living president approved of it.

I'm with the majority that understand that a freedom lost to fear and bigotry is a freedom gone. Protesting it IS protecting America. Giving the administration a blank check and a warm kiss on the ass hardly is.

YMMV.



QUOTE(beasty @ Jan 5 2007, 11:11 AM) [snapback]273972[/snapback]

The rest of the world is finding out what happens when you kowtow to terror.Someday they won't just be burning cars in France or killing writers in Holland.


The rest of the world manages to catch and lock up the terrorists. That's something we just don't seem to be able to manage under George W. Bush.
beasty
QUOTE(Mizilus @ Jan 5 2007, 09:27 AM) [snapback]273982[/snapback]


The problem is I 家q and it has nothing to do with terrorists. As for despots I'm sure saddam was one back when rummy was shaking his hand doing weapons deals.


The history has been done here repeatedly. Iraq was a Soviet client. Most of it's weapons came from Russia, we gave the tiny bit of help when Carter let Iran go fundamentalist and was in position take over Iran. We didn't want either of them controlling half the oil in the region.
Bee
How about we just get off oil?
beasty
QUOTE(Bee @ Jan 5 2007, 09:58 AM) [snapback]273993[/snapback]

How about we just get off oil?


We have some of our own. How about "we" drill that, and democrats quit oil cold turkey? 50 million people demand electric cars, and somebody would be happy to build them. But you do know electricity isn't free anymore than oil is, don't you?
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