I can almost see this one on Mary Richards' wall; what she did on all those nites she WASN'T out sleeping with guys.
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Full Version: Everything I hated about the 60s and 70s...
Uh, Jude? 
I think you lost something.
I think you lost something.
I was a child in the 60s, and the late 70s were pretty good outside of my time in public school. The 80s really rocked and the 90s weren't too bad either. All things considered life's been pretty good. No reason to blame any entire decades.
Can't really seem to come up with any reasons to hate the 60s and 70s.
In the 60s I was in school (elementary through college[in my case USAFA]), learned to play the trombone and played everything from rock to symphonies, met my future wife, achieved a long held dream (USAFA again), and got to live for a short space in Hawaii while visiting my folks.
In the 70s, I got my commission, got married [34= years now and counting], flew fighters [another dream achieved] (survived an accident I shouldn't have), saw my two sons born, got a masters degree, travelled the world.
What's not to like?
In the 60s I was in school (elementary through college[in my case USAFA]), learned to play the trombone and played everything from rock to symphonies, met my future wife, achieved a long held dream (USAFA again), and got to live for a short space in Hawaii while visiting my folks.
In the 70s, I got my commission, got married [34= years now and counting], flew fighters [another dream achieved] (survived an accident I shouldn't have), saw my two sons born, got a masters degree, travelled the world.
What's not to like?
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What's not to like?
Preliminarily: shag carpeting, fake panelling, disco, "me decade," pop psychology, pop music, new-ageism. Every decade leads off from the last and onto the next, but the 70's as far as decades go I think may go down as just about the worst all-time.
Cars
In the 70's Americans built the worst performing cars. Each year vehicles were made less powerful than the year before.
Federally mandated safety regulations also gave us the "5 mph" bumper. That's why you cannot find a beautiful steel bumper on any car sold after the 1973 model year.
In the 70's Americans built the worst performing cars. Each year vehicles were made less powerful than the year before.
Federally mandated safety regulations also gave us the "5 mph" bumper. That's why you cannot find a beautiful steel bumper on any car sold after the 1973 model year.
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Cars
In the 70's Americans built the worst performing cars. Each year vehicles were made less powerful than the year before.
Federally mandated safety regulations also gave us the "5 mph" bumper. That's why you cannot find a beautiful steel bumper on any car sold after the 1973 model year.
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In the 70's Americans built the worst performing cars. Each year vehicles were made less powerful than the year before.
Federally mandated safety regulations also gave us the "5 mph" bumper. That's why you cannot find a beautiful steel bumper on any car sold after the 1973 model year.
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And what with you looking about like the feller in your avatar, I expect that was of great concern.
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And what with you looking about like the feller in your avatar, I expect that was of great concern.
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Well, usually new drivers don't buy new cars. It was a dark era in automotive history, many enthusiasts thought we'd never recover from. Barto will back me on this.
Since when are you usual?
May I remind you all that it was those "perfect" child-raising policies if the 50s and early 60s that seem to have produced grown-up boomers who are (and continue to be) spectacularly self-centered and greedy?
In other words, do we REALLY want to recreate the halcion days (and attitudes) of the "Father Knows Best" era, now that we know how/what Beaver Cleaver grew up to be?
See "Blue Moo". You guys SURE you wanna go there a second time?
In other words, do we REALLY want to recreate the halcion days (and attitudes) of the "Father Knows Best" era, now that we know how/what Beaver Cleaver grew up to be?
See "Blue Moo". You guys SURE you wanna go there a second time?
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Awww a datsun "honey bee" b210. My mommy had one of those between a couple of pintos.
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It shore is purty, though.
QUOTE(FriendJudy @ Mar 16 2005, 03:35 PM)
May I remind you all that it was those "perfect" child-raising policies if the 50s and early 60s that seem to have produced grown-up boomers who are (and continue to be) spectacularly self-centered and greedy?
In other words, do we REALLY want to recreate the halcion days (and attitudes) of the "Father Knows Best" era, now that we know how/what Beaver Cleaver grew up to be?
See "Blue Moo". You guys SURE you wanna go there a second time?
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In other words, do we REALLY want to recreate the halcion days (and attitudes) of the "Father Knows Best" era, now that we know how/what Beaver Cleaver grew up to be?
See "Blue Moo". You guys SURE you wanna go there a second time?
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Do we really want a society in which a single breadwinner can support a household? Besides, the beav didn't do better raising his own children.
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It shore is purty, though.
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It looks like a vista cruiser with its midsection cut out.
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It looks like a vista cruiser with its midsection cut out.
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It just kind of screams "road trip," doesn't it?
You been watchin' The Goofy Movie?
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You been watchin' The Goofy Movie?
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No, I've been thinking about {{{shudder}}} polyester leisure suits and brown and orange shag carpet.
Mustn't forget .....
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Drugs in the 1970s
There was a really jolly period during the 70s before everyone figured out how bad drugs really were for you and got all 12-step and "Just say No!" about it.
Marijuana
The lid was fading into the 60s to be replaced by Buddha sticks. THC content was a big consideration.
Valium
Originally introduced to calm down all those sex-crazed suburban housewives, this downer was soon appropriated by Glam Kids who loved to mix it with other drugs: barbiturates, speed, booze, you name it. Is it any wonder that the students stopped revolting?
Acid (LSD)
Being convinced that your neighbours are aliens, hearing the voice of Satan tell you to kill your neighbours while listening to Pink Floyd and worrying you may never be the same again. (Sometimes we are right to worry!).
Or perhaps you would plan out an amazing trip scenario with some of your friends. Finally it's Friday night and you ingest the sacrament (Tables & Chairs, Blue Meanies, Black Cats etc) and decide to hang out and listen to music and generally be psychedelic all night. Without warning, your mum decides it's high time you stayed home for once because you've been "going out far too much lately". She's made reservations at some horrible "family" steak-house.
Since by now you're completely frying, all you can do is draw incomprehensible weirdness on the placemat and try not to look at the slab of dead stuff on your plate (that the glowing maggots are crawling out of).
In 1978, British police staged "Operation Julie" and busted the biggest ever UK lab, finding enough LSD for 20 - 30 million doses. Those involved had links to The Brotherhood Of Eternal Love, whose leading light, Ronald Stark, may believed was a CIA operative.
Footnote: Riding a motorcycle at night on acid is to be considered a BAD thing - The handlebars turn to rubber and oncoming headlights become a beautiful and hypnotic thing of wonderment . . .
PCP/Angel Dust
This rhinoceros tranquillizer was the most high-risk drug of all time. Just think - a drug that affects every single person a completely different way! Some got mellow, some had a speed-like effect, some had hallucinations . . . some went completely bonkers and tore up paving stones with their fingernails. Since replaced in demographic popularity by the comparatively tame Crack.
Speed/Cocaine/ Heroin
At first no one really sussed how bad they were - Thank Studio 54 and Keith Richards.
Then John Belushi's Speedball death occurred at Chateau Marmont and Richard Pryor torched on with his crack pipe and the age of innocence was gone . . .
http://www.nostalgiacentral.com/pop/drugs70.htm
There was a really jolly period during the 70s before everyone figured out how bad drugs really were for you and got all 12-step and "Just say No!" about it.
Marijuana
The lid was fading into the 60s to be replaced by Buddha sticks. THC content was a big consideration.
Valium
Originally introduced to calm down all those sex-crazed suburban housewives, this downer was soon appropriated by Glam Kids who loved to mix it with other drugs: barbiturates, speed, booze, you name it. Is it any wonder that the students stopped revolting?
Acid (LSD)
Being convinced that your neighbours are aliens, hearing the voice of Satan tell you to kill your neighbours while listening to Pink Floyd and worrying you may never be the same again. (Sometimes we are right to worry!).
Or perhaps you would plan out an amazing trip scenario with some of your friends. Finally it's Friday night and you ingest the sacrament (Tables & Chairs, Blue Meanies, Black Cats etc) and decide to hang out and listen to music and generally be psychedelic all night. Without warning, your mum decides it's high time you stayed home for once because you've been "going out far too much lately". She's made reservations at some horrible "family" steak-house.
Since by now you're completely frying, all you can do is draw incomprehensible weirdness on the placemat and try not to look at the slab of dead stuff on your plate (that the glowing maggots are crawling out of).
In 1978, British police staged "Operation Julie" and busted the biggest ever UK lab, finding enough LSD for 20 - 30 million doses. Those involved had links to The Brotherhood Of Eternal Love, whose leading light, Ronald Stark, may believed was a CIA operative.
Footnote: Riding a motorcycle at night on acid is to be considered a BAD thing - The handlebars turn to rubber and oncoming headlights become a beautiful and hypnotic thing of wonderment . . .
PCP/Angel Dust
This rhinoceros tranquillizer was the most high-risk drug of all time. Just think - a drug that affects every single person a completely different way! Some got mellow, some had a speed-like effect, some had hallucinations . . . some went completely bonkers and tore up paving stones with their fingernails. Since replaced in demographic popularity by the comparatively tame Crack.
Speed/Cocaine/ Heroin
At first no one really sussed how bad they were - Thank Studio 54 and Keith Richards.
Then John Belushi's Speedball death occurred at Chateau Marmont and Richard Pryor torched on with his crack pipe and the age of innocence was gone . . .
http://www.nostalgiacentral.com/pop/drugs70.htm
And the better:
Kewl blogname.
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I've been having a running email discussion with my friend Lorstress, about the 1970s and 1980s. It started as a discussion of why culture today is so lowbrow and aimed at the 16-25 year old crowd. I pointed out that that particular age group often has disposeable income (thanks to mom and dad), no understanding of the value of money, and they're not that bright. So advertisers naturally go right to them! But the same thing was true in the 1980s, because a lot of things in that era were aimed squarely at us, because we were young, dumb, and had money from our folks or from our crappy part-time jobs. And the pop culture of that era was also just as cheesy as today's. The music was just as light and intellectually empty (unless you were listening to Morrissey or some of the other gloomy alternative bands that hated everything, including life itself), the celebrities just as vain and vacuous (while there was no Paris Hilton equivalent, let's not forget that Rob Lowe made a video of himself with some underage girls having sex), and everything was aimed at the young.
I think it's pretty much true for any era, because that also was true of the 1970s. If anything, things were worse then, because it was all magnified by the bad hair, bad clothes, bad everything of the 1970s, Decade of Cheese.
However, I also pointed out that there were some good things; for one thing, the 1970s were an awesome decade for humor. I mean think about it, George Carlin at his whimsical prime, Richard Pryor at his prime (and before he did all those horribly lame movies like "The Toy"), Steve Martin playing arenas and stadiums (and his albums from back then are STILL funnier than hell), a young Robin Williams on the rise, Cheech and Chong making drug humor funny (and who does that anymore? Snoop Dogg? He's not quite a comedian), the "Not Ready for Prime Time Players" on Saturday Night Live, especially John Belushi?
It was a weird decade, but it really spawned some amazing talent in humor. And we needed to laugh a lot then (beyond looking in the mirror and laughing at the horrible clothes and hairstyles we all had).
What happened, though? We still need to laugh, but we're just not seeing the same talent. Oh, there are some good humorists out there. Jon Stewart is very talented, and Denis Leary is acerbically hysterical. Lewis Black is also funnier than hell. But there's too many comedians out there playing nice and family-like, so they can get sitcoms on TV. And frankly, with all the stuff going on in today's world, we need some absolutely brilliant, take-no-prisoners comedians to make us laugh, dammit.
Well, at least I do.
I think it's pretty much true for any era, because that also was true of the 1970s. If anything, things were worse then, because it was all magnified by the bad hair, bad clothes, bad everything of the 1970s, Decade of Cheese.
However, I also pointed out that there were some good things; for one thing, the 1970s were an awesome decade for humor. I mean think about it, George Carlin at his whimsical prime, Richard Pryor at his prime (and before he did all those horribly lame movies like "The Toy"), Steve Martin playing arenas and stadiums (and his albums from back then are STILL funnier than hell), a young Robin Williams on the rise, Cheech and Chong making drug humor funny (and who does that anymore? Snoop Dogg? He's not quite a comedian), the "Not Ready for Prime Time Players" on Saturday Night Live, especially John Belushi?
It was a weird decade, but it really spawned some amazing talent in humor. And we needed to laugh a lot then (beyond looking in the mirror and laughing at the horrible clothes and hairstyles we all had).
What happened, though? We still need to laugh, but we're just not seeing the same talent. Oh, there are some good humorists out there. Jon Stewart is very talented, and Denis Leary is acerbically hysterical. Lewis Black is also funnier than hell. But there's too many comedians out there playing nice and family-like, so they can get sitcoms on TV. And frankly, with all the stuff going on in today's world, we need some absolutely brilliant, take-no-prisoners comedians to make us laugh, dammit.
Well, at least I do.
Kewl blogname.
This has to be the first time I've seen the phrase "frying on acid" at screw cspan. (or whatever it is we call it now)
Something tells me that this administration is going to spawn a new crop of comedians and long after they're gone.
I kinda lost my "innocence" sometime around 1971.
See, I'd started out selling really mild pot back in 1967. Didn't hardly ever smoke it myself, mind you, for the same reason I didn't drink much and only took acid twice: I'm a control freak. My family was quite literally crazy. I had major reality-testing problems (having been raised with invisible people and thought control rays beamed through the electric plugs), so I sure didn't need any time dilation or strange colors that don't have names to add to the mix.
But anyway, somewhere around 71 or 72, I happened to smoke a little of what I was selling, and went "Whoa! When did this poop go from being a mild buzz after a whole (fat) joint to being utterly wasted in two hits?????"
End of innocence, right there that day.
(But I still think "Blue Moo", an ultra-traditional hand-sewn embroidery of a definitively psychedlic cow, sold to housewives by that icon of tradition, the Avon Lady, kinda really sums up the societal split personality of the times! ROFL!)
See, I'd started out selling really mild pot back in 1967. Didn't hardly ever smoke it myself, mind you, for the same reason I didn't drink much and only took acid twice: I'm a control freak. My family was quite literally crazy. I had major reality-testing problems (having been raised with invisible people and thought control rays beamed through the electric plugs), so I sure didn't need any time dilation or strange colors that don't have names to add to the mix.
But anyway, somewhere around 71 or 72, I happened to smoke a little of what I was selling, and went "Whoa! When did this poop go from being a mild buzz after a whole (fat) joint to being utterly wasted in two hits?????"
End of innocence, right there that day.
(But I still think "Blue Moo", an ultra-traditional hand-sewn embroidery of a definitively psychedlic cow, sold to housewives by that icon of tradition, the Avon Lady, kinda really sums up the societal split personality of the times! ROFL!)
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I had a '71 Pinto with the 2.0 German engine. Paid $2300 out the door for it. 3 1/2 years later during the fuel crisis I sold it at a wholesale auction for $1400. Pretty good value there.
The 60's and 70's like any other times were what you wanted to make of them. Contrary to what some might think or like to think, the majority of people were out there working, contributing to normal society, buying houses, raising kids, and that whole boring thing.
You hear about the other stuff simply because a relatively small number made a big splash and a whole lot of noise.
You hear about the other stuff simply because a relatively small number made a big splash and a whole lot of noise.
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Mar 17 2005, 09:45 AM)
I had a '71 Pinto with the 2.0 German engine. Paid $2300 out the door for it. 3 1/2 years later during the fuel crisis I sold it at a wholesale auction for $1400. Pretty good value there.
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My friend had good luck with his. Of course I was always ready to bail if we got rear ended. Still, my VW bug was more reliable and less explosive. Totalled it and rebuilt it for a $145 front axle and some work.
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Mar 17 2005, 10:52 AM)
My friend had good luck with his. Of course I was always ready to bail if we got rear ended. Still, my VW bug was more reliable and less explosive. Totalled it and rebuilt it for a $145 front axle and some work.
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Pintos went all to hell after '72, as did many cars as the unleaded and MPG specs came into play. The ones with the 1.6 engine were crappy. When the mileage thing came along they just put in different axle ratios to get more highway mileage, but the ratios were so tall those cars couldn't "pull a sick whore off a pisspot".
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Mar 17 2005, 08:49 AM)
The 60's and 70's like any other times were what you wanted to make of them. Contrary to what some might think or like to think, the majority of people were out there working, contributing to normal society, buying houses, raising kids, and that whole boring thing.
You hear about the other stuff simply because a relatively small number made a big splash and a whole lot of noise.
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You hear about the other stuff simply because a relatively small number made a big splash and a whole lot of noise.
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Exactly right.
I think the decades have been, for the most part, defined by the group that was coming of age during those times. Goes a long way toward explaining Barto's post.
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Mar 17 2005, 09:49 AM)
The 60's and 70's like any other times were what you wanted to make of them. Contrary to what some might think or like to think, the majority of people were out there working, contributing to normal society, buying houses, raising kids, and that whole boring thing.
You hear about the other stuff simply because a relatively small number made a big splash and a whole lot of noise.
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Hey, I was trying like a good little capitalist entrepreneur!
Or have you forgotten my failed career as a hooker, and my sucessful run at drug dealer?
(Consider this one more whine about the lack of (legal) career opportunities for 16-year-old street kids, an "enterprise zone" that doesn't seem to have greatly improved since 1968.)
QUOTE(FriendJudy @ Mar 19 2005, 12:18 AM)
Hey, I was trying like a good little capitalist entrepreneur!
Or have you forgotten my failed career as a hooker, and my sucessful run at drug dealer?
(Consider this one more whine about the lack of (legal) career opportunities for 16-year-old street kids, an "enterprise zone" that doesn't seem to have greatly improved since 1968.)
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Or have you forgotten my failed career as a hooker, and my sucessful run at drug dealer?
(Consider this one more whine about the lack of (legal) career opportunities for 16-year-old street kids, an "enterprise zone" that doesn't seem to have greatly improved since 1968.)
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How could anyone forget your sordid story? You've told it any nuber of times all over the internet.
The go-go-boots with mini skirts, but you could tell who the speedy girls were.
You hated go-go boots and mini-skirts?
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You hated go-go boots and mini-skirts?
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She probably couldn't pull the look off.
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She probably couldn't pull the look off.
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bingo!
Oh yeah, baby.
May she follow you to your dreams.
Oh ARTURO! Oh, MILLNESS! Here I AAAAAAAM!
I don't understand the appeal.
That ain't no mini-skirt.
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Mar 22 2005, 02:23 PM)
That ain't no mini-skirt.
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Oh, yeah. In your nightmares tonight.
I did like the Gore Vidal and Wm. F. Buckley debates. 
Pollution of the lakes, streams, air, DDT,
I missed those Vidal/Buckley debates.
Elsewise, Jude (where is that woman!!) worded this question badly. "I hated everything about the 60s and 70s ...." woulda been more up to snuff.
Elsewise, Jude (where is that woman!!) worded this question badly. "I hated everything about the 60s and 70s ...." woulda been more up to snuff.
news coverage of the viet nam war
kent state
i did not get on the cheerleading team 
kent state
i did not get on the cheerleading team
Didn't look good enough in those tight outfits?
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Didn't look good enough in those tight outfits?
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I looked just GREAT....
I wasn't invited in........
Kinda like the NEW politicians......got to get invited in...
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I looked just GREAT....
I wasn't invited in........
Kinda like the NEW politicians......got to get invited in...
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I wasn't invited in........
Kinda like the NEW politicians......got to get invited in...
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I had a cheerleader invite me in once. In fact she offered to invite us all in if we won that night.
We won, but only Dave took her up on it.
Dave's prob'ly married to one right now. They don't always weather so swell and they're high & costly maintenance.
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