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arebuntz
Just a place for stuff...

The Federal gubment is getting ready to use SSA data to crack down on employers who have significant numbers of employees with SS number discrepancies. There might be aliens about... aarrgghh!

AFL-CIO threatening lawsuit to stop the gubment from moving forward on this.... duh, what?

Gubment Set For Crackdown

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Immigrant rights groups and labor unions, including the A.F.L.-C.I.O., predicted the rules would unleash discrimination against Hispanic workers. They said they were preparing legal challenges to try to stop them from taking effect.
Arturo_Vandelay
I can never figure out where big labor is from day to day. Does the AFL-CIO ask their members how they feel?
Nomarchy
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Aug 7 2007, 08:04 PM) [snapback]320492[/snapback]

I can never figure out where big labor is from day to day. Does the AFL-CIO ask their members how they feel?


What's "big" about the AFL-CIO?

Do you use the term 'big labor' out of habit, or do you really think that the AFL-CIO is some sort of worthy counterweight to 'big business'?
Arturo_Vandelay
Ten million members and the fruits of their political clout? I'd say that's pretty big.

http://www.aflcio.org/aboutus/faq/

What is the AFL-CIO? Get the union facts
The American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations (AFL-CIO) is the voluntary federation of America's unions, representing 10 million working women and men nationwide and another 1 million nonunion workers of Working America.

The AFL-CIO was formed in 1955 by the merger of the American Federation of Labor and the Congress of Industrial Organizations. Get the union facts.

arebuntz
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The AFL-CIO - which has 55 member unions and represents 10 million workers - said in 2006 that it knocked on 8.25 million doors for union candidates, made 30 million telephone calls, distributed 14 million fliers and sent out 20 million pieces of mail.


My Way News
Arturo_Vandelay
The stream of piss and moan at the debate calling for more socialism was pretty typical. Not a thing that went wrong couldn't be fixed by having the government either mandate someone else do it or have government take over completely.
BrooklynBill
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Aug 8 2007, 08:07 PM) [snapback]320597[/snapback]

The stream of piss and moan at the debate calling for more socialism was pretty typical. Not a thing that went wrong couldn't be fixed by having the government either mandate someone else do it or have government take over completely.


Yeah....I couldn't tolerate it at all. For every societal problem, more government is the answer. blink.gif
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(TruthTrekker @ Aug 8 2007, 04:25 PM) [snapback]320642[/snapback]


Yeah....I couldn't tolerate it at all. For every societal problem, more government is the answer. blink.gif


As a social moderate I'm willing to concede what spending we have, but the parade of losers and whiners that want something more has to end at some point. Why must all Dems who aren't rich politicians be painted as victims?
arebuntz
Paraphrasing Willie Sutton... that's where the votes are... er, thats where the votes are bought...
SRX
Victims will sell their votes cheap.
arebuntz
... and some folks foolishly think it is media ad spending by candidates that moves the vote when it is what is promised in those ads, benefits for voters using someone else's money that moves the voter...
Arturo_Vandelay
Ads get your name out, but promises make you popular. If nobody ever knows your name you can't even get your message of bribery out.
Nomarchy
QUOTE(arebuntz @ Aug 9 2007, 07:36 AM) [snapback]320725[/snapback]

... and some folks foolishly think it is media ad spending by candidates that moves the vote when it is what is promised in those ads, benefits for voters using someone else's money that moves the voter...


Nah, most adds do not promise anything concrete. If only I meant 'political' adds . . .
arebuntz
Typical structure of ad being candidate will give you something (something that you want, that their opponent will not give you, and that they or their party has been keeping you from getting it before now) and someone other than you will pay for it...

Of course the ad is meaningless as nobody has ever voted for somebody because of their ad... just ask them.
Nomarchy
QUOTE(arebuntz @ Aug 18 2007, 10:39 AM) [snapback]322826[/snapback]

Typical structure of ad being candidate will give you something (something that you want, that their opponent will not give you, and that they or their party has been keeping you from getting it before now) and someone other than you will pay for it...

Of course the ad is meaningless as nobody has ever voted for somebody because of their ad... just ask them.


The typical structure of political adds is not as you describe it. Please attempt to verify your claim by watching a few.

Something is not 'meaningless' because nobody did something specifically and singularly because of it, nor is it 'meaningful' only if somebody does something specifically and singularly because of it.

You're an engineer, you know about complex (system) causality.
arebuntz
Yeah I know that voters go into the polling place, cast their vote, the vote is counted, and a winner declared. Everything else... well except the Presidential Election process of converting citizen votes to electoral votes, is superfluous.

I see a lot of campaign ads, some are get to know the candidate, some are get to know the opponent, and the rest are here's what I am going to do for you. Some folks may not see it that way if they already think that is what gubment is supposed to do for them.
arebuntz
It's Fargin' War!

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Today, Sen. Bill Nelson, who rarely wades into these internecine debates, fired a shot in the DNC's direction. He co-signed a letter to DNC chairman Howard Dean threatening to ask the government to decide whether the DNC's decision amounts to a violation of voting rights rules. Within the Democratic Party, that's a really aggressive charge to make.

"If the Democratic national committee sanctions Florida, then some of us on the Florida congressional delegation may ask an appropriate legal venue can determine whether a political party's rules supercede a person's right to vote and have that vote count," Nelson said on a conference call this morning. "We're going to fight to have Florida Democrats' votes counted."


Duh, what? There's a right to participate in a political party presidential nomination process?
Nomarchy
QUOTE(arebuntz @ Aug 18 2007, 01:49 PM) [snapback]322839[/snapback]

Yeah I know that voters go into the polling place, cast their vote, the vote is counted, and a winner declared. Everything else... well except the Presidential Election process of converting citizen votes to electoral votes, is superfluous.

I see a lot of campaign ads, some are get to know the candidate, some are get to know the opponent, and the rest are here's what I am going to do for you. Some folks may not see it that way if they already think that is what gubment is supposed to do for them.


There must be a way for you to "check" whether your preconceived notions about how thing operate can be tested against what the rest of the world takes as 'reality'. You cannot consistently maintain that money-savvy folks are consistently irrational in how they choose to expend their money.

arebuntz
Most votes wins in every case.

Most money raised/spent does not win in many cases and even little money spent wins in some cases.

Voters in booth not slaves to media ads, never see money raised/spent and media seen mentioned as reason for vote in exit polls. I assume that most folks share my experience that media has never determined my vote and that campaign media is given no credibility given it's source. Plenty of info available on candidates other than campaign paid for media that provides voters with info they use to make up their mind who to vote for or against.

Lots or reasons for campaign to raise and spend money on campaigns that are not devoted to changing voters vote in the booth. I believe we agree that it is likely the money flows to the eventual winner rather than creates the eventual winner.

Just because a lot of people think something is true does not make it true...
arebuntz
Here we go...

AFL- CIO Legal Action

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Labor unions went to court Wednesday to block Bush administration rules designed to force employers to fire illegal workers, saying the regulations will sweep up innocent immigrants and U.S. citizens because of flaws in government record-keeping.

The rules, set to take effect next week, "would place millions of U.S. citizens and (legal) noncitizens ... at risk of losing their jobs" because of government errors and employers' fears of prosecution, the AFL-CIO and its affiliates in San Francisco and Alameda County argued in a U.S. District Court lawsuit.

The unions asked a federal judge in San Francisco for a restraining order that would block the rules from taking effect before Tuesday, when federal officials are scheduled to mail the first warning letters to employers.


... yet to see much buzz among the rank and file...
arebuntz
Them wacky Michiganders got a real plan for their Presidential Primary, tell the major parties who voted for which party.

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• A record of each voter's party choice (Democrat or Republican) would be made available to state party officials. The legislation prohibits disclosure to the public or the news media. There will be no record of which candidate individual voters support.


FREEP

With Rs and Ds running the Federal and State gubments little chance of doing the right thing here... withdraw all gubment funding for all political party presidential nomination processes.
Tom Servo
If this one doesn't make ya go "Duh, WHAT?". nothin' will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3929lHG_9WA...2Ephp%3Ft%3D922

Dread the Fred indeed.
arebuntz
The first presidential election of the the citizen video age...

This is going to be a wild ride...
Tom Servo
A-yup.

Pretty much! laugh.gif
arebuntz
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The Social Security Administration cannot start sending out letters to employers next week containing notification of more serious penalties for knowingly hiring illegal immigrants, a federal judge ruled Friday.

Ruling on a lawsuit by the nation's largest federation of labor unions against the U.S. government, U.S. District Judge Maxine Chesney granted a temporary restraining order prohibiting the so-called "no-match" letters from going out as planned starting Tuesday.

The AFL-CIO lawsuit, filed this week, claims that new Department of Homeland Security rules outlined in accompanying letters threaten to violate workers' rights and unfairly burden employers. Chesney said the court needs "breathing room" before making any decision on the legality of new penalties aimed at cracking down on the hiring of illegal immigrants.


immigrant_employers_lawsuit
Human Ills
QUOTE(arebuntz @ Aug 30 2007, 06:45 PM) [snapback]325370[/snapback]

Here we go...

AFL- CIO Legal Action
... yet to see much buzz among the rank and file...

Just reposted this to a couple of "rank and file" message boards. If there be any buzz, I'll let you know.
arebuntz
Will have to wait for Dobbs to weigh in next week to know for sure...
arebuntz
Lou Dobbs on a rant tonight about the AFL-CIO/ACLU lawsuit to stop the employer letters on employee no match name and SS number. He tossed in Chamber of Commerce too and said it indicated the power of this "cabal" running the Country to the detriment of the working man. The storming of the gates of power by the rank and file soon to follow. Either that or the UAW gives away their members bennies...
Arturo_Vandelay
Luckily Lou doesn't have a real job as a "working man" or somebody's business would be in the crapper.
arebuntz
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Sep 4 2007, 07:06 PM) [snapback]326327[/snapback]

Luckily Lou doesn't have a real job as a "working man" or somebody's business would be in the crapper.

Lou's faithful bring in a good enough number for CNN's tastes... I wonder how he does in 2009 with a D controlled Federal gubment? Will his tone change as immigration continues to increase and jobs continue to move offshore, etc, his bread and butter issues?
arebuntz
Lou's about to throw a rod tonight between immigration, work visas and the Chi Coms. I may have to check out his website to see if they have a comment section. The Dobbers should be in high froth tonight.
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(arebuntz @ Sep 5 2007, 03:38 PM) [snapback]326455[/snapback]
Lou's about to throw a rod tonight between immigration, work visas and the Chi Coms. I may have to check out his website to see if they have a comment section. The Dobbers should be in high froth tonight.


As usual. I'm surprised so many economic Luddites can work the remote and cable box.
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Sep 5 2007, 06:42 PM) [snapback]326459[/snapback]

As usual. I'm surprised so many economic Luddites can work the remote and cable box.

Lou has latched on to a loyal following by playing into peoples feelings, like Limbaugh.
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Sep 5 2007, 04:52 PM) [snapback]326462[/snapback]

Lou has latched on to a loyal following by playing into peoples feelings, like Limbaugh.


Lou has a tenth of the positions. It's about a two trick pony. At least one appealing to the same folks as Limbaugh.
arebuntz
My favorite part of Lou's show is watching the reporter squirm when they kick it back to Lou and he goes on a rant often throwing in rhetorical questions to the reporter for which there is no real answer...
Pravda
QUOTE(arebuntz @ Sep 5 2007, 08:15 PM) [snapback]326474[/snapback]

My favorite part of Lou's show is watching the reporter squirm when they kick it back to Lou and he goes on a rant often throwing in rhetorical questions to the reporter for which there is no real answer...


I'm afraid he isn't very appealing to Canadians with his nationalist rantings.
arebuntz
Don't you Canucks get Lou started on the prospects for a North American Union!
arebuntz
Several House Dems up on CSPAN in a Special Order railing on the Palestinians... must be an election approaching....

Philly, Vegas, New York, I guess Ft Lauderdale was out of pocket this evening...

Just changed to CNN... Lou dun blowed up his engine already... immigration...
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(arebuntz @ Sep 6 2007, 05:37 PM) [snapback]326629[/snapback]

Several House Dems up on CSPAN in a Special Order railing on the Palestinians... must be an election approaching....

Philly, Vegas, New York, I guess Ft Lauderdale was out of pocket this evening...

Kinda comic, isn't it?
beasty
QUOTE(arebuntz @ Sep 6 2007, 03:37 PM) [snapback]326629[/snapback]

Several House Dems up on CSPAN in a Special Order railing on the Palestinians... must be an election approaching....

Philly, Vegas, New York, I guess Ft Lauderdale was out of pocket this evening...

Just changed to CNN... Lou dun blowed up his engine already... immigration...


Is that a rerun? Or are all his shows reruns?
arebuntz
QUOTE(beasty @ Sep 6 2007, 06:41 PM) [snapback]326635[/snapback]

Is that a rerun? Or are all his shows reruns?

NDSS...FTW...LATW
arebuntz
Before Iraq hearing started today I saw a news piece comparing General Petraeus to either General Grant or General Westmorland depending on ones point of view. As I watched the hearing I had the thought that Rs are looking for General Grant and Ds are looking for General McClellan.

Which leads to the question... What would Grant do?

There wouldn't have been much of an Iraqi Army left to fuel the insurgency and Grant didn't do so good with the post war results either... took about 100 years to straighten out that mess...
Spot
QUOTE(arebuntz @ Sep 10 2007, 04:16 PM) [snapback]327473[/snapback]



Which leads to the question... What would Grant do?



Win.
arebuntz
QUOTE(Spot @ Sep 11 2007, 12:31 PM) [snapback]327551[/snapback]

Win.

The war was "won" in 2003.

arebuntz
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Workers at a northeast Ohio General Motors plant hoping the company will grant the site a new car model after 2009 made preparations Friday to strike to support national United Auto Workers contract talks with the auto industry.


Good plan...

GM Lordstown plant makes strike preparations
Nomarchy
QUOTE(arebuntz @ Sep 14 2007, 02:19 PM) [snapback]328395[/snapback]


In all honesty, preparing to strike is not exactly sending the right signals to one's employer wrt to which plant to begin producing a new model at . . .
arebuntz
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Sep 15 2007, 12:26 AM) [snapback]328542[/snapback]

In all honesty, preparing to strike is not exactly sending the right signals to one's employer wrt to which plant to begin producing a new model at . . .

That's what I was thinkin'... they are trying to get that negotiated though... in return for UAW takeover of retiree healthcare fund... domestic automakers agree to keep specific plants open...

It's all part of the Full Pay To The Last Day Plan
Arturo_Vandelay
You have to be willing to blow yourself up for the cause.
arebuntz
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Sep 15 2007, 04:54 PM) [snapback]328706[/snapback]

You have to be willing to blow yourself up for the cause.

At least the Conservative Islamists become God's problem...
arebuntz
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"I know that there's gonna be some sacrifice going on but i don't believe we will lose. I have my confidence, I have trust in the union and General Motors that they will look out for us," James Allen, a GM retiree said.

"I've lived a comfortable life under the UAW, General Motors gave me a job, but UAW gave me benefits. I've lived a good life with my family. I look forward to continuing this and I know that our staff downtown is making sure that this happens," Huck Atterbery, UAW Benefits Representative said.


...UAW gave me benefits...

Who knew... it turns out GM didn't have billions of unfunded liabilities for UAW member benefits... the UAW gave them benefits to the members.
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