THE RULES
As written by the Reformed Angry Nice Guy
- Be inconsiderate, don't listen to her problems. Anyone a woman tells her problems to is someone she will not sleep with. Besides, if you’re the guy she’s pouring her heart out to about her relationship problems, chances are the guy she’s sleeping with doesn’t give a crap what she thinks and that’s why she’s sleeping with him.
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- Be unreliable - don't be there to answer a call, especially on the weekends. Leave that to her male "friends", you know, the pussies that are too timid to actually “close the deal” and sleep with her like they truly want to.
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- Do NOT be dependable. Do not be easily accessible. You do NOT want to be around when she needs someone to help her move. That’s what her male friends are for.
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- Don't spend more than $30.00 on a date, $0 (zero dollars) is preferable. A better idea is not to take her out to dinner at all. Leave that to the chumps. Tell her to hook up with you for a drink after she has dinner with the chump. Why waste your money otherwise?
A woman knows in the first few minutes of meeting you whether or not she’ll want to sleep with you. It doesn’t matter how much you spend on her after knowing that. And if it does matter, she’s a whore anyway, so you can weed her out. Why spend money to validate her worth at your expense? And what do you think that says about what she thinks about you?
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- Never tell her when she asks if you’re seeing someone, that you’re not. It’s a test question. She’s probably going out with other people too. Telling her you’re not seeing anyone does NOT improve your chances. Making women know that you’re in demand is your best weapon to get sex. Give her a nice cryptic answer that lets her know you are seeing one or more other people. Put her on notice that you are getting it from other sources. Make sure she knows that.
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- Be unavailable on the weekends. Only, only go out with a woman on the weekend if you're guaranteed to get laid. Otherwise, go out with your friends on the weekends. Go out with women (you're not screwing) on weekdays. Make sure they know they’re on the B-list, especially the hot ones. Hot women are so insecure that when a man doesn’t take that much of an interest in her, she’s thinking “what’s wrong with me”, and they’ll try harder to “get” you.
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- Don't buy a woman any gifts, flowers, jewelry, etc. EVER. Perhaps you can buy her flowers on your first wedding anniversary. Whatever you buy sets the bar for all future expectations she’ll have. It’s better to have her whine about you never having bought her flowers, than having her whine about how you don’t buy her as much crap as you used to. That way, when you do it, it’s more appreciated. American women somehow feel entitled to something for nothing. Take the attitude that they should have to deserve what they get, and if they don’t, kick ‘em to the curb. They’ll take, take, take as much as they can if you allow it. Is it any wonder why God shaped the vagina like a purse?
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- Don’t leave the toilet seat down if you don’t have to. I’m sure she evokes the rules of equality only when it benefits her, but does an immediate about-face when it’s a traditional “courtesy” that men do for women. And don’t fall for that positive reinforcement crap that they do by saying how much of a “gentleman” or “real man” you are to do these acts for her benefit. It’s an emotional device women have been using forever to manipulate men for their designs. When they start telling you something is the gentlemanly thing to do, do the opposite. Don’t let her dictate the rules to you. (Just remember that anytime a woman tries to tell you what a “real man” or a “gentleman” would do, it’s ALWAYS some self-serving definition that has nothing to do with being a real man. It’s just a rationale for how you can better serve her.)
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- Never compliment her. And if you do compliment her, give her the backhanded compliments (example, if she asks if she’s fat, etc., just tell her, “but I like a woman with some meat on her bones. / if she mentions her boob size, say “but I like women with small boobs. More than a handful is too much” / “You know, you look nice, but if you worked out and toned up some and got rid of the flab on your arms and legs, you’d look really nice”).
It’s the perfect crime because they can’t be mad at you for complimenting them. American women are the most unappreciative creatures on earth. Compliments only make her think that “if this guy thinks I’m pretty, then imagine what better kind of guy I can get”. Never let her self-esteem get too high. You want to keep it low so that she’ll even sleep with YOU.
The greatest part about this is that the better looking the woman, the more insecure she is likely to be.
Women have been inundated with “empowering” bullcrap for years, it’s time to deprogram them. They already feel that they’re superior creatures to men, don’t give them anymore ammunition.
And what is this “empowering” crap? It’s nothing but empty, false rhetoric meant to increase their self-esteem. What they don’t realize is that self-esteem is the responsibility of the “self”, not others.
"Pride" or "self-esteem" used to be a consequence of doing pride-worthy or estimable things. They are now officially reckoned to be a pre-existing and inalienable state or right.
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- Follow the 3-date-rule. If there is no sex after 3 dates, move on to the next one.
Women decide within the first few minutes if they will have sex with you and under what terms......lover (right away) or provider (meal ticket). If more than a few dates go by (which you spend next to no money on) with no sex, get rid of her. This is very important. If you don't she will either use you for gifts, expensive dates etc. or start sizing you up as a long term meal ticket (hello, financial and emotional ruin).
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- Always date more than one woman at a time, and if you’re not, act as if you are. It signals unavailability and your value to the woman. She will find you more interesting because you have better things to do than just pursue her.
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- NEVER go on a trip to Vegas, the Beach, etc. with a woman with whom you’re not sleeping thinking you might get laid. You’re being used. Yeah, you might get lucky, but why take that chance expending so much money and time?
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- Women want what they can’t have. When you go to a bar, you should just walk in and not talk to them. Make them buy you the drink, make them buy you dinner. Make them think that you’ve got something going on. You want them to think that you’ve got better things to do than be with them and that they’re lucky that you’re even wasting your time with them when you could be out with other women.
NEVER, EVER buy them a drink, especially when they’re with their friends because then, if they’re truly detestable whores, they’ll use you to buy their friends drinks too and then ignore you. Don’t give them the satisfaction of thinking they’re worth your buying them a drink. Women do NOT respect chumps.
The brief period in which women chose dependable men with good solid values for their husbands and mates has been destroyed by them being driven into the work force. Now they can support themselves, so what they need and want most from a man is a guy who will get them hot sexually.
And when it comes time to get her number - let her do the work. Always hint that you are interested. Never confirm it. Let HER wonder. Build up the attraction enigma in her. Keep on doing this until she gives in. THEN, you’re in business. She’ll be the one supplicating for your attention. She won’t be in control. She’ll dig you even more. Now, MAYBE, you can give in some sort of ‘compromise’. But only do it when you are sure that she’s bothered enough by you to actually truly want to see you.
You earn a spot on her B-List the minute you ask her digits. Some kind of “he digs me” signal that goes on in the female brain the minute you ask for her number. She then starts taking B-List-Joe for granted and we all know the rest of the story…
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- Only give women what they deserve. American women are the most unappreciative creatures on Earth, so they don’t often deserve anything but a good spanking.
One of these things that they must merit is respect. American women are raised and ingrained with an incredibly strong sense of entitlement. One of the biggest items on the list of things that women feel entitled to is RESPECT. Most young men grow up being told by both parents to “respect women”. That is a thought and feeling ingrained in every young man and woman. Women, on the other hand, are rarely, if ever, told to “respect men”. It’s almost a joke to most women to even suggest it. Quite the contrary, most women are told to beware of men.
Respect should not be given, it should be EARNED. No one is entitled to it for nothing.
When you start DEMANDING respect from women, something very strange happens. The quantity of women in your life drops like a rock (as expected) but the quality goes through the roof. It's weird, but it's true.
I don't mean being an poophole, I mean just calling a spade a spade. If she fucks you over ONCE, break contact. No apology, no justification, no explanation. Just go. A FEW will come back. You don't want them. But a few will come back. Be hard as steel and IGNORE them. It isn’t easy, and it's often extremely frustrating, but you will be a FREE man. Never change for somebody else. If you change, do it for yourself and for good reasons.
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- The terrible lesson that women are getting ready to learn is that once men become indifferent to their disapproval, their approval no longer means anything to men either. Men learn and adapt relatively quickly, and now that women have become impossible to please, more and more men are deciding to quit wasting their time and energy trying.
People (especially women) manipulate you through your approval seeking behaviors. If you eliminate them, they have nothing to grab hold of. Also, eliminating these will make you feel much, MUCH better about yourself.
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- Never give a woman an opportunity to say “no”. Women love to say no to men to boost their own egos. They get pleasure from turning men down. Learn from salesman. Never ask a question where the answer could be no. Give them options (i.e. “what’s better Tuesday or Thursday”).
Just remember that men get no status from rejecting women, but women do get status from rejecting men. Sometimes they reject men for sport, to impress their girlfriends, or to satisfy their ego and sense of superiority.
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- Getting attention is the feminine equivalent of "scoring." For your average man, getting inside a woman's pants is what affirms for him that he's attractive and desirable. A man who manages to get a woman to get naked with him feels good, because he feels validated.
For women, all it takes is knowing that you want her. That's it. Once you look at her (or strive not to look at her) in that way that says, "Wow," she knows that she could have you if she wanted you. It reaffirms for her that her sex is worth something. It reaffirms that when it comes time for her to make her life choice she can demand a high price because she has what men want.
That's why women lead men on and then give them the cold shoulder. Once you give her that look, you gave her what she was after. She doesn't need anything else from you, so she sees no need to continue treating you nicely. Some women will smile at you across the room, lick their lips, do everything but rip their clothes off and masturbate in front of you but, when you cross the dance floor and say, "Hi! Want to dance?" they say, "With you? Yeah, right." Why? Simple: the minute you walked across the floor to ask her she had what she wanted. The rest, for her, is academic. She knows that if she's horny she can have you, but she doesn't want you. She just wanted to know that you wanted her, and she's all done.
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- Don’t let them control you with sex. If she has competition, she’ll work much harder to keep you interested. Ever watch the Bachelor or Joe Millionaire? It’s the perfect experiment in just how far women go when they want a desirable man, who is made more desirable by the fact that other women want him and are competing for him. After a while, it’s not even about the man, it’s about the competition and validation. Do you think for a minute that those women were in love? Hell NO! Women are so self-deceptive that you can’t even trust them when they tell you they love you, especially when they’re benefiting greatly from being in the relationship.
This is why marriage with American women is not desirable anymore, because it means that they don’t have to do anything to keep you interested after they’ve got what they want. They have no more incentives. Now they can get fat, cut off all of their hair, have less sex with you, and there’s nothing you can do about it. It is a power shift, and I would advise any man no to allow any woman to have that kind of power over him. Women abuse the rules that protect them at an incredible rate, and they’re often so fucked in the head that they can dig deep and find some erroneous, illogical, irrational justification for it. They just don’t have any incentive to keep you interested anymore.
Don’t let them be the only game in town.
Women use sex as the “loss leader” to get you in the door. It’s part of the bait & switch strategy that ultimately becomes Marriage. They use sex to get you lured in until they have you locked in and have control. They don’t really want it as much as you anyway. They always need an incentive to have sex with you, so why not give them one. Men lie to get sex, women lie to get married. Men use relationships to get sex, women use sex to get relationships. Women will deny this all day long. Feel free to ignore their denials.
What women want--more than sex--is relationships. That's why the bookstore is full of books on the topic and all the afternoon talks shows obsess over the topic (as opposed to discussing sex). So therefore, the way to "punish" women for not giving you sex is to deny them the relationships they crave. No sex, no relationship. And that rule, if adhered to by men, would do far more for males than any "men's movement" ever could.
Ever notice how most feminist writers spoke of gender relations in terms of Power and Control? That's because women are obsessed with power and control and try to maintain it no matter how much they try to deny it, even to themselves. Now, considering they truly want to be with a man that makes more money, and is strong enough to be in control (because they usually don't respect the nice guy losers that aren't assertive or aggressive enough to take control)...
Now it's just a matter of cementing their place and keeping their power. All the while convincing all of society that they are still these pitiful little creatures in need of protection.
Maintaining an emotionally painful atmosphere (or the constant threat of it) is the way women maintain absolute control in a relationship.
"Warmth" and "femininity" pretty much no longer exist among American women. Those qualities are now associated with being a "Stepford Wife", and if a woman is not fighting with, arguing with, and struggling with a man every second of their interaction she is criticized by the sisterhood for it. Since the early 90s, dating has been about extended control battles. This is why ever-increasing numbers of men are just giving up.
Women view sex as a commodity, and some even view affection as a commodity. Don’t ever give them anything in exchange for it because she’ll just try to leverage it for even more. Under a logical view of equality, sex is something that should be equally shared and equally enjoyed by both parties, canceling out any need for further compensation for the act for either party. Forget it if you think women would actually buy into this line of thinking though! They see their sexuality as costly and male sexuality as cheap (why else do they feel that on a date all they have to do is show up and you do the paying?)
Remember, the party in the relationship that needs the other less, is the one with the power.
Women like to pretend they don’t have any power so they can’t be held accountable for how they use it.
If the only value women put on sex is the power that it gives them to jerk us men around, I can testify that eventually a man will lose all interest in women entirely. Supporting women like this will turn out to be very destructive toward women because as they age men will no longer do the crap work of initiating sexual relationships and taking all the risk. Women get to go along for a free ride letting the man do all the work and take all the risk, and still get half the goodies.
I suppose the best thing you could learn is that women truly have no real power here or in real life. Real power is the ability to use power but also contain it as well. That is where women fail. They sure have mastered the using; it's the containing part that they don't seem to know even exists.
Full Version: Rules for men in dealing with women.
Women are encouraged to be sexually liberated, then they are taught to stifle their man's sexuality.
The funny thing is that many women will spend so much money buying clothes, shoes, makeup, perfume, hair products, etc just to get all skanked up so they can arouse sexual urges in men, and then once they hook one, they complain that the man expects sex all the time. Talk about false advertising! If you want a guy who is interested in more than sex, why don't you dress conservatively, read a few books to fill your empty head with something, and go try to start a meaningful conversation with a guy instead of acting like a street walker?
Like all loud, obnoxious advertising the final product is almost never as good as the marketing department would have you believe.
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Any woman you date will be prone to mood swings. If you are staying with her, she may not want you there at that time. So, always have your own place and if you have some items with her, keep it so that you can get away from her with all YOUR items in one trip WITHOUT having to go back. Also, NEVER get really expensive items you BOTH share. She will 99.9% claim it was a 'gift' from you and usually win in the courts. Make sure ANYTHING YOU buy you always clearly identify as YOURS and yours alone. This prevents ANY entrapment or gold digging.
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- DATE FOREIGN as much as possible. No experience in life will wake you up to the fact that American women aged 18-35 are the most atrocious, toxic, demanding, unappreciative, contemptuous, self-obsessed, self-centered, self-focused, man-hating, bigoted, lying, double-standard following, deluded creatures in the galaxy. Find a South American, a Central American, a Southeast Asian, a Philipina – and you will see the difference. Some of the women in these countries are actually appreciative of the things you do for them. They actually make you want to do more for them simply because they actually deserve it, rather than feel entitled to it and demand it for nothing. Some of them actually like sex, enjoy sex, don’t make you jump through unnecessary hoops for it, and don’t use it as a bargaining chip. You can actually be honest with them. And because some of them come from countries where the men are not pussified, feminized, metrosexual men, they actually appreciate men that are even semi-nice guys. You can be the nice guy you once were without a problem.
American women just don't really respect men. They think men are idiots and should be manipulated and they feel justified in manipulating men because they rationalize it through a false sense of superiority.
Most women want to have some man pay for their fun. The difference is that Third World women repay us by making us feel good, and we consider that a fair exchange, just as our grandfathers, great-grandfathers, and great-great-grandfathers did. American women want the same plus the right to treat men like useless slaves and doormats. Yes, I'm sure that many foreign women ask to be supported, but they repay that with kindness, attention, and an ego boost. American women repay our generosity with complaints, drama, and attitude. They demand a high price for an inferior experience.
NOTE: These rules do not necessarily have to be applied when dealing with foreign women. You can experiment by opening up and being the nice, kind, generous, thoughtful, caring man you always were. You know, the same kind of man that American women hate, don’t appreciate and destroy.
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- NEVER, EVER, NEVER, EVER take dating advice from a woman. Some would love to tell me what a jerk I am and how wrong I am about this. Well tell me this, when you listened to all those female friends who told you they liked nice guys who treated them well, and were talking to you as a “friend”, then chances are they were talking to you about that scumbag-jerk they were having sex with? Exactly! I hope you men get it. She will steer you the wrong way. The only advice she will give is self-serving which makes you a sap if you follow it, and hence, you will only be the “nice guy / friend”. Young American women aren’t even honest with themselves about what they truly want, do you really think they’ll be honest with you? How do you get honesty from someone that constantly lies to themselves so much that they actually believe their own self-deception?
Besides, American women are so often so self-obsessed and self-centered that they will only give you dating advice that benefits THEM and, in turn, other women. They have no clue how to actually speak from a man’s point of view or understand, and really, they don’t even care what we men really want. They only know their point of view because Oprah and every other daytime show tells them that their feelings are of paramount importance and the man is just an insensitive, uncaring jerk for not pandering to them. They don’t care if you get what you want. They’re conditioned to give you the “jump through hoops” approach to validate their self-worth. Why do they care if you get what you want in the shortest amount of time at the lowest cost? This sense of superiority is the basis of the mindset that they use to degrade, dehumanize, chastise, criticize, mistreat, abuse and change men. It is the height of arrogance and condescension for a person to feel that you need changing and that they’re the ones who need to change you.
Besides, if your self-esteem is so low that you buy into the fact that you’re paying for dinner for the pleasure of their company or that the woman even mentions that you should pay for the pleasure of her company, then you need help. What about the pleasure of YOUR company? Isn’t that worth something? And if a woman feels that her company is worth something and yours isn’t, then that’s all you need to know before dumping her. What man would want to be with a woman who thinks so little of him?
After many years of watching human behavior, I have observed repeatedly that people defend what they value. Since women have done absolutely nothing to defend anything male (except access to male wallets), the obvious conclusion is that they don't value men.
(Still don’t believe me? Well, just about any criticism to these points will be one that’s about not wanting to fulfill a woman’s needs at the man’s own expense. Of course, the part about the man’s expense is left out when women explain it. Anytime I’ve made these points to women, there was no logical, reasonable retort. The rebuttal would always be, “it’s just ‘nice’ of him to pay”, or “it’s just ‘gentlemanly’.”) It seems that a lot of men don’t even think about asking “what’s in it for me?” or are conditioned to feel that this is not how they should think at all. Remember, if you’re on the sinking ship, she goes first with the kiddies while you sink to your watery death, and you’re supposed to feel good about it because you did something honorable, chivalrous and gentlemanly. Isn’t it great that a man’s life is more valuable to a woman AFTER he gives his life for her?
Any activity a man commits that is for his sole pleasure and enjoyment but runs counter to women’s interests, will ALWAYS meet with stiff emotional resistance and negative reinforcement from women (minus logic and reason, of course. The old time feminists actually considered logic and reason to be tools men used to win arguments). And this is NOT because you’re doing what’s best for you (something women are encouraged and applauded for doing) but because you’re not doing what’s best for HER. In womanspeak, a man that does things for HIS OWN BENEFIT is often referred to as a “loser”. So the next time you’re called a loser, take it as a compliment.
Ignore what women say and watch what they do.
Or as a friend put it “One more thing...many guys make the mistake of listening to female romantic advice. Don't listen to them, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, and they WILL steer you wrong. They will tell you what they THINK they want, instead of what they actually RESPOND to. And furthermore, a large part of the female sexual experience IS the inability to admit these things BECAUSE they derive sexual pleasure from putting up resistance and being overwhelmed.”
Don’t ask most married men for advice either. Misery loves company. So many American men suffer in silence. They would love to be able to tell the truth, but are so fearful of what their wives would do to them and the repercussions therefrom, that they remain in a state of quiet misery. It's a good thing they have things like sports and beer to keep them numb. They have to live in denial because if they actually reflected for a moment on the truth, they’d be placing a call to Dr. Kevorkian. Most married American males are castrated beyond help. Their testicles are located in their wives’ purses if they ever try to find them.
I tell you, I have really begun to develop a healthy level of contempt and hate for a lot of the married American men that I meet. They’re beaten dogs, beaten into submission. They’re extremely pathetic creatures emotionally beaten down by their shrill, shrieking wives so much so, that they have capitulated.
Marriage used to provide access to sex, now it provides access to celibacy.
To American women the ideal husband is a docile schmuck who slaves away at work, pays her bills, and doesn’t pester her for sex.
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- Don’t date single mothers. Not so much for the fact that they’re looking for Daddy, but that they already made one mistake, do you really want the possibility of giving them a second mistake? You don’t want to pay for someone else’s mistake anyway. Another thing, you already know what she’s most likely to do if she “accidentally” becomes pregnant.
Of all of the single mothers I once dated (but will never touch again) I noticed a common thing, the father was a jerk 90% of the time, yet they try to teach their sons to be nice guys who “respect” women and put them on a pedestal. And what do these boys become? “Nice guys”, “friends”, guys who have heard “You’re like a brother to me” so many times they want to puke. They should take a cue from Dad and realize that Mom liked jerks, she liked jerks so much that she let this jerk (who didn’t give a damn about her) impregnate her. A man should realize that in order to get sex, he needs to be somewhat of a jerk to get it. Being a nice guy simply means you’ll spend time in the bathroom with a copy of FHM while your phone is ringing with a call from your female “friend” asking you to help her move because her jerk of a boyfriend told her he was busy.
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- Do not allow yourself to be a makeover project. Ever wonder why makeover shows and fixer-uppers are so popular with women? Because they are obsessed with changing things, especially men. They think they can change you and make you better. Forget about the arrogance, ego and sense of superiority it takes to drive this train of thought, just get away. If you’re not what they want initially, then the logical thing would be to leave you and go somewhere else right? Well, not with them! Use it to your advantage. Don’t change. Keep them challenged.
What do you think the women’s movement became in the 1970’s and beyond? It was a mass movement telling men that they needed to change all the while ignoring female accountability.
About 40 years ago, a few women were allowed to become so out of control with their mental illness and megalomania, that they declared men and maleness in general to be "broken" and called upon women in general to "fix" them. Of course, we all know that there is nothing women like more than fixing men, so millions of women enthusiastically signed on.
The problem was that these women didn't know jack poop about what maleness was about or what men or men's world was really like - they simply declared men to be defective females and set about changing males into females, and coincidentally changing females into males.
Just like any marxists, no matter how many times their grand experiments failed, they blamed the victims of those experiments instead of their own stupid ideas.
They still don’t think they need to change. It’s still all men’s fault.
The reason why American (Western world) females are so angry is because they are stuck in a world where they are forced to do something they biologically do not want to do.
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- When she tells you she needs “romance”, run away, far away! When a woman uses the excuse that she needs romance in order to have sex with you, the relationship is over. It’s a cover-up, a lie for her not to admit that she just doesn’t like sex with you or that you can’t satisfy her. It could also mean that she just doesn’t like sex at all. If the sex were that good, she wouldn’t need romance. If Brad Pitt walked up on her naked, she sure wouldn’t need romance. I’ll bet that one-night-stand she had in Cancun/Greece/other foreign country (where no one would know what she did) didn’t involve romance. Maybe just substitute “Jagermeister” for “Romance”, that should put her in the mood.
Besides, 99% of the time, having romance means “spending inordinate amounts of money” to validate her worth. Too much work! Just dump her and get a whore. At least the whore leaves you alone and doesn’t subject you to her incessant blabbering once she gets paid.
When a woman orgasms, it has little to do with what the man is doing to her and mostly to do with what she is doing, inside her head.
A woman can easily orgasm with any man she chooses to. If the woman you are with isn't orgasming, it's because she CHOOSES to see you as someone who isn't sexually stimulating, hence the need for “romance”. It is EXTREMELY important to understand that (within limits) how sexual you appear toward a woman isn't under your direct control. You can slim down, lift weights and even get cosmetic surgery and she won't be attracted. She will, temporarily, be attracted to a guy who makes himself unavailable. And she definitely will be attracted if you make yourself inappropriate in some way (leather jackets, tattoos, earrings and other bad boy image stuff are favorites).
Part of this is the hilarious situation that often a woman you barely know, orgasms like a banshee at the slightest stimulation, and then becomes completely frigid later on in the relationship. Often they will try to mask this as "issues with intimacy". But what is really going on here, is she is purposefully shutting down her own sexual impulses, because she no longer thinks she needs to please you anymore.
This isn't true with men. A woman who makes herself look in certain stereotypical ways, will make herself generically attractive to all men. And a woman who screws you with ardor and skill, will definitely make you orgasm.
The point here is frigidity in women is a big warning sign. It is intentional, passive aggressive behavior that is just a part of the bigger issue of disrespect. If a woman starts having "sexual problems" like this, dump her immediately, for two reasons. The next one won't (i.e., there is absolutely nothing wrong with the way you are farqing her). AND, the woman you just dumped, seems to have no problem orgasming with the biker/meth dealer living next door (even though, he is so drugged out of his mind, he can barely get it up).
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- Always make sure that you are either already successful or firmly set on the path to your success in your career endeavors before you actually commit to a woman. Women are dream killers. They will kill all of the hopes, plans, and dreams that you have, because once they’re with you, their needs come first. They won’t tell you this up-front, they’ll simply emotionally abuse you into this position. If you work too much to pay for her cancerous overspending, she’ll get mad at you for not spending enough time with her. If you work too little or don’t make enough money to your full potential, she’ll bash you relentlessly for not being ambitious or for just simply being a loser. You can’t win. It only matters if her needs are satisfied and quite often, they’ll change the agenda just to either test you or suit their needs.
So many American women are so spoiled these days that they just don’t understand sacrifice. How many would sacrifice living in a house they can afford for a studio apartment so that the excess money could be used to invest or make more money? They would rather meet a man who has already made the sacrifices to be successful. It’s better that you take the risks and make the sacrifices it takes to be truly successful (if that’s your goal) before you settle down. poop, don’t settle down with an American woman at all, keep your money!
American women will act as if they care about your needs only to the extent that their own needs are already taken care of.
Women need to realize that self-sacrifice is a male trait, something for which we’re biologically wired. That’s why we do the heavy lifting, fight the wars, die first, jump in front of bullets to save them, let them off the sinking ship first, do the worst, most dangerous jobs, commit chivalrous acts to benefit them that in no way benefit us, etc.… Women need to learn self-sacrifice and unlearn selfishness. Unfortunately, feminism took away the things that governed and limited female selfishness and self-centeredness. That is why the “ME society” began.
Feminism taught American (Westernized) women that any selfless act they do for men is “oppression”. They have been conditioned to think that doing any little thing for a man makes them a “slave”.
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- Do not give into her HINTS. Even if you somehow have the magical, miracle power of being able to pick up on her hints, don’t. Just wait until she says what she wants up front. We men are not mind-readers, and honestly, we don’t care enough after a while to try to decipher your stupid code. And if you give us crap for not being psychic, I have no problem telling you to “fork OFF”. I will tell you up front to ask me or tell me what you want, it’s that simple. And if you don’t want to follow that simple rule, find another punching bag. This hinting is nothing but an intentional set-up just so she can beyotch at you for not being able to figure her out. Anyone who does that needs serious help and has zero respect for you.
I mean, really. With all the inane, unimportant, incessant blabbering women dole out on a daily basis, would anyone really expect men to be able to filter through all of that crap to try to miraculously decipher what they want?
And isn’t it funny that women are often touted as better communicators than men, yet they often expect others to decipher their code and hints? ”. Being a good communicator means that you’re good at "communicating" information to other people, and that if you do this successfully, the other person would then have knowledge of the information you are attempting to communicate.
To women, “talking too damned much” is equated to being a “better communicator.
Women are masters of these covert "signals". Of course, since they are covert they can later deny them and blame everything on the man.
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- No hugging, no cuddling, no spooning – get it and get out.
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- Nice guys finish last. Yeah, this may be construed as true, but do you really want to finish last, and is it really all it’s cracked up to be? When you’re with a woman that wants to settle down with you, and she’s dated a lot of jerks in the past but now she wants to be with you because you’re nice and treat her well… Here’s what they’re telling you stealthily, “I’m sick of dating guys who make me so hot that I practically want to rip my clothes off for them. I’m ready for a nice guy who treats me well, even though he’s not all that sexually attractive to me.” “Besides, I’m sick of spreading my legs and being a complete slut, now I just want to settle down with a sperm donor, wallet and doormat whose testicles will fit nicely on my mantle.” Women tend to wise up when they get towards their 30’s, and they start looking for a nice wimpy beta male to settle down with and pay for all their crap. As they get older, they will get more and more desperate to find this guy. Once they do, they will often cheat on him with an exciting, fun jerk (like the one they had when they were 21).
Now, I’m not saying to be a complete poophole, but just be a bit of a jerk. Women will say they want a nice guy, but quite often they choose jerks.
Women's big mistake has been in CHOOSING jerks, and then when the jerks jerk them around, bashing ALL men, including the less aggressive guys who stood by quietly wishing some of those girls would pay some attention to them, instead of the jerks. And, then rubbing salt in the wounds by using the nice guy as an emotional tampon to be the audience for their fine rendition of "the victim's lament" UNTIL the next jerk shows up for them to spread their legs for.
The jerks are often the guys that do approach women. These guys have built up a tolerance for female rejection which is why they are either wholly or partially jerks. The thing that most women don’t realize is that the nicer guys who would likely treat them well, are not often the ones that will approach them because they just don’t want to deal with rejection. And since women expect for men to be the ones to do the approaching, the process quite often weeds out the nicer guys and leaves them with jerks. Add to that the gender war’s stoking of female contempt and hatred for anything male which leads to male reluctance. When the guy that she chooses inevitably doesn’t treat her the way she feels she should be treated, she goes on about how all men are jerks. If she only tested the waters of true equality and maybe asked out men here and there herself, she might get a better pool of men.
Women are most attracted to the men who are most likely to fork them and then dump them on their ass - because those are precisely the men who have so many other options because they practice on lots of women. That's why you always hear women bitching about how men are assholes that only want to fork them and dump them - because those are the men that they gravitate to.
Let me make things clear: if women asked men out 50% of the time (which they claim they do but obviously don't) and tried to interest men (again this absolutely never happens, even if they do strike up a conversation first; they always expect the man to jump through hoops so that MAYBE they will be swayed by his silly antics) - then you would have a basis for complaining that men dicked women over. But in reality, men ALWAYS have to pique women's interest, it is NEVER the other way around. AS SUCH women 100% forfeit any right to complain.
Here we come up against the inevitable conflict between the male and female social roles and circumstances. Because men are the "designated initiators", they are the ones who have to take an active role in "finding" that "one", while women get to sit in their towers and pass judgment and indulge their penchants for cruelty.
The net effect for women has been two-fold. As long as they continue to rely entirely and exclusively on the passive strategy of attraction and abuse the sexual power they have, they are automatically sorting out all but the most aggressive males. Thus their attitudes become self-fulfilling prophesies as they make themselves so obnoxious that any man who is capable of sensitivity and warmth cannot stand to be around them. Thus, in order to attract men AT ALL, even the most aggressive ones, they have to resort to more and more extreme measures of emphasizing and calling attention to their sexual attributes. The real "Beauty Myth", just like all other feminist myths which absolutely refute any role that women take with their own decisions in shaping the outcomes of their lives, is that ANY of these standards are imposed from the OUTSIDE, by PATRIARCHY or by the culture as a whole. The truth is that they are the primary methods which WOMEN USE TO COMPETE for that commodity so desired by women – MALE ATTENTION.
For about 40 years now we have had most women going along in the complicity of silence with all the insane poop women have been pulling, leaving men no way to tell the difference between the types of women and drawing the obvious conclusion that all women tend to agree with and support this pathological kind of behavior.
This is why "jerks" are "jerks." Although I've never been one, I think that they're not so much jerks as men who have learned that there's no making a woman happy, so why try? Especially with American women, the "jerks" just do whatever they like, and if she starts getting pissed off, they just tell her to shut her yap. Eventually she straightens out and starts to act like a regular human being. Either that or she leaves, and then he goes on to another woman, then another, until he finds one who will put up with him (as opposed to a bad-attitude woman looking for some poor schmuck who will put up with her).
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The criticisms you get are not about how wrong I am. If a man actually has the will power and the stomach to logically challenge a woman on her feminist beliefs, eventually when you pull away the layers and BS, it all comes down to how women are justified in behaving this way because men are bad… It’s a form of revenge for years of “oppression”, not a rational, equitable solution. Well, even though I’m telling the truth women will still constantly try to rationalize their evil. If they’re not willing to change themselves for the better, then why the hell should they expect us to?
I'm just honest. Isn't that what women want? Right, honesty! Women despise any truth that doesn't flatter their egos.
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The true reason why women want men to initiate contact is because they’re too afraid to do it themselves. They’re more afraid of rejection than us. They wouldn’t admit it though, they’d rather hide behind the “old-fashioned”, “traditional” way of a man approaching the woman. This way, their fragile female egos remain intact and they have a wonderfully convenient rationalization to boot. Yep, as much as they love to talk about our fragile egos, they’ve got them too, but can’t admit it lest they abdicate their sense of superiority.
Yeah, it takes a lot of guts for a man to approach a woman. Just remember that when that gutless, yellow-bellied, spineless, chickenshit whore tries to rationalize not asking a man out.
If men had an equal social status to women, would not men and women equally contribute to the mating process, in which case women would not be above approaching men, nor subjected to less than an equal amount of rejection?
Women try to force men to accept their extremely self-centered, self-absorbed, self-obsessed, erroneous worldview, and when we don’t, they demonize us for it.
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- Never, ever date or even get involved with women in the office, actually, just ignore them unless there is business to discuss. If you make one mistake in even complimenting her on her dress, she may slap a sexual harassment suit on your entire company (that is if the advance is unwanted. Welcome advances are not criminalized, but rewarded – but who the hell wants to take the chance to figure it out? Is sex with some woman worth a million-dollar lawsuit, losing your job, or even a trip to jail?). You’ve heard it before, “don’t fish off the company pier”, “don’t crap where you eat”, “don’t dip you pen in the company inkwell”, etc. Sure, you can take the chance, but it is extremely detrimental to your future. Remember that these days, normal, biological male behavior has been criminalized in many venues, be very careful in your approaching them or even in showing interest in them.
- Do not follow nor even come close to seeming as if you are stalking a woman (that includes calling her too often). She will go to the cops, get a restraining order or worse. Because the police are now under feminist mind control, anything a man does (that makes a woman even feel threatened), or is accused by a woman of doing, automatically presumes his guilt. Domestic Violence, Rape, child beating, and child molestation are now crimes where a man is basically guilty until proven innocent. You don’t want to be accused of stalking or harassment of any kind. Remember, those crimes are only crimes if the woman isn’t interested. In those cases, she’s the judge, jury and executioner, and who would want to put their life in the hands of a psychotic, sociopathic, narcissistic, irrational, illogical, unreasonable, self-centered beast full of blind hatred and bent on vengeance?
Even just showing too much interest in a woman can result in your being accused of stalking. Don’t do it.
Always remember the rule that if you’re in an area where the chances of police beatings, criminal prosecution, and million-dollar civil lawsuits are low, you can approach her, as long as you can escape if she’s not interested, preferably without ever giving her your real name… or a good look at your face… or letting her see the license plate number on your car.
The mating game turned mean, vicious, and incredibly ugly with Sexual Harassment and the expanded definitions of "RAPE." The normal flirtation which used to be a bit of fun, has now turned into a deadly game with life destroying consequences which are entirely in the power of the woman. Women are arrogant, hateful, manipulative, exploitive, and masters at using our most basic needs to jerk us around, and other women stupidly support and celebrate their ability to do that.
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- You want to know why we don’t talk? Because you don't listen and would rather not hear what we have to say anyway. And even after we’ve said how we feel honestly, you’ll rip into us for being insensitive jerks and turn the conversation back towards yourselves and how your feelings are so important. And guess what happens, we shut down because we don’t want to hear your shrill, shrieking voices anymore.
Like I’ve said, It just depends on who you want to be - Mr. Nice Guy, i.e. Mr. Reliable who's not necessarily a big turn-on or Mr. Money/Muscles/Power/Fame who really gets her hot sexually, is unpredictable, unreliable, doesn't really give a crap about her, and indulges her need to "get" him. This is why the pursuit of someone that will satisfy you sexually, isn't necessarily a good choice for a lifetime partner. Quite often there is conflict, because the sexual buzz lasts for a limited time.
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- Women are masters at trying to paint themselves in the best possible light.
Women are experts at telling stories, including to themselves, that put them in a favorable light. Everything a woman says is said with the goal of making her look good and feel good. Language is not for communication (or at least not communication of facts -- or even of "feelings"). Foundational lie: "I just want to meet a nice guy." No, you want to be perceived as the kind of girl who would just want to meet a nice guy. Sliiiiight difference, as your actions amply prove. And from there on in, the lies continue. Ask any woman about how her last relationship ended. There will be an elaborate story, in which she comes off looking far better than the actual facts would make her look, if you have access to them. She'll even change history ("Well, I knew that Fred wasn't the one for me, and he basically knew that, or should have, so when I started banging Carlos, the relationship was really kind of over already anyhow . . . ").
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- People can choose to do anything they want to. But they can't choose the consequences. Women constantly get these two things confused. They want to be free to do whatever thing they want, AND to choose the consequences. This isn't possible. It's like someone jumping off a building and expecting not to fall.
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Don’t be a “friend”.
To be nice to women is to be awarded with a one-way ticket to the dreaded 'Just friends' zone. Whenever I used to hear about women who had been mistreated by their boyfriends, I'd feel a great level of sympathy; but not-so any more. It's not that I like to hear about women getting cheated on, abused and beaten; only that it seems, to me, that, nine times out of ten, such women's careless choice of boyfriend made them their own worst enemies. Such women will repeatedly enter relationships with guys who practically stand out as thugs, before crying that "all men are bastards" to their girlfriends and nice male friends, alike, not once stopping to reflect on their own careless behavior in rejecting genuinely nice guys in favor of such thugs. What can you do if a woman's seemingly hell-bent on keeping all nice men she knows as "just friends", while, at the very least, rushing into relationships with guys whose motives and true nature certainly haven't been ascertained? Not a lot, I say. If women would rather risk hurt through involvement with thuggish, uncaring morons, than give a nice guy whose proved a great friend to her a chance (don't even get me started on the "I wouldn't want to risk the friendship" line....) to be something more to her, then I say they deserve no sympathy. It can't be nice to be hurt repeatedly by men; but then, it's not exactly a barrel-of-laughs to be a nice, caring guy, who's forever single and lonely, either.
Women like to keep men in their orbit. It makes them feel like they're in demand, like they need her more than she needs them.
Don’t be a friend with an ex-girlfriend either. Being friends with a woman you broke up with means you get all the disadvantages of being in a relationship with none of the benefits.
Friends and lovers are diametrically opposed opposites of each other in women’s minds. Women don’t want to be friends with a man they’re having sex with.
A man's highest happiness is in, well, being happy (and sometimes in making others happy). Woman's highest form of pleasure is generally in knowing someone else is being made less happy and well off than she.
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The way I see it is women, especially the younger women, will only "date up". They won't date their equal or more accurately they won't date a guy who they perceive is their equal. They will only date guys who they see are better than them. If they can't find one they will just stay single and run around saying "Why should I have to settle!"
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Don’t let women test you. Women are like spoiled children. They are self-focused, insecure and irrational. They crave drama and games. They demand constant attention, reassurance, and above all, power in relationships. And, like children, who ceaselessly push limits to see just how much they can get away with from their parents, women relentlessly test men. Learn how to identify their tests and never fall for them.
Women need to know that their control is absolute. So they test men to see how far they can push them, to see just how much they can get away with. They test to see how insecure men are, to see how desperate they are for sex (to determine how much they can exploit them). They test to see how much they've been able to feminize men (for example, forcing them to express emotions) and so make them more controllable.
They test to reassure themselves of their physical attractiveness, to see if they can still wrap men around their fingers with their sexual power. They test to provide drama in their lives by provoking unnecessary fights and arguments.
Testing is a woman's way of keeping a man off-balance, of keeping him dancing to her tune like a puppet on a string. This is why, as soon as a man reacts to The Test by getting angry, giving in, or apologizing, he has failed. He's lost the relationship game and handed over all his male power, forever doomed to be the groveling wuss-boy who will kneel down and take anything his woman dishes out. And she loves it.
Most women need to be treated, like a recalcitrant child. Give in to them one inch and they will take a mile, just like a spoiled five-year-old would. So the only choice is to be tough and unyielding with them -- they'll either respect you for it, or they will leave. Most of the time the woman will leave for some other guy who she can have her way with. But then she becomes somebody else's problem, so you are better off. And if she stays, despite your not giving in to her, she might actually be someone worth keeping.
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In the end, though, whether women are well-meaning but illogical and mercurial, or they are scheming, calculating bitches, the upshot is the same: if you want to get involved with a woman you can't trust her words or her promises. One way to do that is to just use her as a "fork toy" and then toss her aside when she becomes annoying. Or, if you want a long-term relationship, remember never to "fall" for her completely, or she will dance on your brain and bring you to heel through confusion and emotional terrorism (intended or coincidental). Either she can't help it, or she is doing it on purpose. Which it is doesn't really change things from your end.
A man can expect a woman to act as if nothing is going on, fade on him, flake on him, play games, string him along, forget his name and a million other things that say he just doesn't matter. All that goes away (except for psycho chicks) after the first time you have sex. Until that happens, a man should take every single thing about a woman, with a grain of salt. Also, there is a huge gap between what a woman says and what a woman does. Waiting around, trying to get "close" to a girl, developing friendships and dating etc. are all HIGHLY counterproductive for a man, because of this. A woman decides within seconds if she wants a man or not and then immediately tests him to see if he is important enough and in demand enough to not have to chase her. Almost anything he does to pursue her, please her or try to get close to her, makes his value drop. It sucks that women are so fucked up. But, it is what is.
A lot of men don't know this. They assume because they have put significant time and effort into wooing a girl and she is responding, that he is important to her. Nothing could be further from the truth. You will rarely find a woman who will admit this, but their behavior shows this VERY clearly.
Until you put your penis in a woman, you mean NOTHING to her, no matter what. Even after that, many will still flake on you soon after.
No matter how hot and heavy and interested in you she seems, no matter how much she grinds against you on the dance floor or whispers dirty promises in your ear, no matter how much she said she wants you to call her, no matter what love letters she writes you professing her undying love, until you put your penis in her, from her point of view, it is as if none of that ever happened and you are a stranger being met for the first time. That first sexual contact is the very beginning of your relating to her. Before then, you don't exist.
Men assume they are building up a relationship and getting to know her with the eventual goal of making her close enough to you and trusting enough of you to have sex. This is completely erroneous. Women lie about this all the time which is the source of the misunderstanding. What women actually do is keep a number of potentials in the wings and have sex with one of them (or some complete stranger), quite at random, when they want to initiate courtship with them. The less you are willing to wait around for her to decide to fork you, the higher your status. Also, since it is mostly random, it is a much better strategy for men to look for the woman who wants him right now, rather than to invest time and energy on a woman. However, women are completely neurotic, so you have to disguise it as something innocuous (hey, want to come over to my place and watch this new DVD I got....hehehe). You both know the real reason she is coming over to your place but you both must pretend it just sort of happened. It is very important that, if a woman ever says no to you, during the course of you seducing her, that you wander off, preferably with someone else. Hey, want to come over to my place and see the new DVD I got? No? Well, look, I’m busy right now and I gotta go, but I'll call you later in the week. Don't call her. And if she doesn't call you, forget all about her.
Some women are psychotic and prone to random slutty stuff like going to a club, doing a bunch of ecstasy and then blowing some random guy in the bathroom. Look, but don't touch. There is nothing you can do about women being neurotic except work around it and prevent it from impacting your life. But, psychotic women are a whole different story. They are rare (thankfully) but extremely toxic. Keep them out of your life at all costs.
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I don’t often advocate this but: If you feel you must and it is necessary for you to do so, LIE. That’s right, women most often don’t want to hear the truth. And if you lie, lie well, because it's so much more effective than the truth. Women don't want the truth. They want whatever fits into that private script they have running in their heads, which they substitute for reality.
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Also remember to be discreet. The man who brags about his sexual escapades is only bragging about how much women control him.
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By the way, don’t fall for the belief from women that not all women are bad and that you should be dating “nice girls” instead of fashion models. The admonishment to seek out "nice girls" is a crock of poop. "Nice girls" are just women who are watching their gorgeous sisters act like pampered children, and are chomping at the bit to do the same. They're "nice" until they decide that they have you, then they think, "Thank God. Now I can finally have a proper relationship with a man," at which point they start acting like fashion models.
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DISCLAIMER: These rules may seem only to apply to the average man looking for sex. That is only partially true. In order to mount a significant defense, avert all problems, and avoid all costs caused by the creature that is the American (Western World) female, even men who are not looking for a good time, or who may even be looking for a good mate, can apply them with success. Even the man on a dating/marriage boycott can benefit from the rules that apply to contact, or lack thereof, with American females.
Me personally, I’m a nice guy, but I for too long have I experienced the above behaviors in too many American females. In order to save other men from the treacherous pitfalls of getting screwed, I created this list.
By destroying the essential foundation of courtesy and respect formerly part of "dating" relationships, women have invited men to treat them with the same contempt that women have been showing to men for the past 3 decades. Many men are promoting an approach to women which is equally ruthless and exploitive to the one which women have been pursuing toward men since the late 1960s.
Women's big mistake has been in CHOOSING jerks, and then when the jerks jerk them around, bashing ALL men, including the less aggressive guys who stood by quietly wishing some of those girls would pay some attention to them, instead of the jerks. And, then rubbing salt in the wounds by using the nice guy as an emotional tampon to be the audience for their fine rendition of "the victim's lament" UNTIL the next jerk shows up for them to spread their legs for.
The jerks are often the guys that do approach women. These guys have built up a tolerance for female rejection which is why they are either wholly or partially jerks. The thing that most women don’t realize is that the nicer guys who would likely treat them well, are not often the ones that will approach them because they just don’t want to deal with rejection. And since women expect for men to be the ones to do the approaching, the process quite often weeds out the nicer guys and leaves them with jerks. Add to that the gender war’s stoking of female contempt and hatred for anything male which leads to male reluctance. When the guy that she chooses inevitably doesn’t treat her the way she feels she should be treated, she goes on about how all men are jerks. If she only tested the waters of true equality and maybe asked out men here and there herself, she might get a better pool of men.
Women are most attracted to the men who are most likely to fork them and then dump them on their ass - because those are precisely the men who have so many other options because they practice on lots of women. That's why you always hear women bitching about how men are assholes that only want to fork them and dump them - because those are the men that they gravitate to.
Let me make things clear: if women asked men out 50% of the time (which they claim they do but obviously don't) and tried to interest men (again this absolutely never happens, even if they do strike up a conversation first; they always expect the man to jump through hoops so that MAYBE they will be swayed by his silly antics) - then you would have a basis for complaining that men dicked women over. But in reality, men ALWAYS have to pique women's interest, it is NEVER the other way around. AS SUCH women 100% forfeit any right to complain.
Here we come up against the inevitable conflict between the male and female social roles and circumstances. Because men are the "designated initiators", they are the ones who have to take an active role in "finding" that "one", while women get to sit in their towers and pass judgment and indulge their penchants for cruelty.
The net effect for women has been two-fold. As long as they continue to rely entirely and exclusively on the passive strategy of attraction and abuse the sexual power they have, they are automatically sorting out all but the most aggressive males. Thus their attitudes become self-fulfilling prophesies as they make themselves so obnoxious that any man who is capable of sensitivity and warmth cannot stand to be around them. Thus, in order to attract men AT ALL, even the most aggressive ones, they have to resort to more and more extreme measures of emphasizing and calling attention to their sexual attributes. The real "Beauty Myth", just like all other feminist myths which absolutely refute any role that women take with their own decisions in shaping the outcomes of their lives, is that ANY of these standards are imposed from the OUTSIDE, by PATRIARCHY or by the culture as a whole. The truth is that they are the primary methods which WOMEN USE TO COMPETE for that commodity so desired by women – MALE ATTENTION.
For about 40 years now we have had most women going along in the complicity of silence with all the insane poop women have been pulling, leaving men no way to tell the difference between the types of women and drawing the obvious conclusion that all women tend to agree with and support this pathological kind of behavior.
This is why "jerks" are "jerks." Although I've never been one, I think that they're not so much jerks as men who have learned that there's no making a woman happy, so why try? Especially with American women, the "jerks" just do whatever they like, and if she starts getting pissed off, they just tell her to shut her yap. Eventually she straightens out and starts to act like a regular human being. Either that or she leaves, and then he goes on to another woman, then another, until he finds one who will put up with him (as opposed to a bad-attitude woman looking for some poor schmuck who will put up with her).
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The criticisms you get are not about how wrong I am. If a man actually has the will power and the stomach to logically challenge a woman on her feminist beliefs, eventually when you pull away the layers and BS, it all comes down to how women are justified in behaving this way because men are bad… It’s a form of revenge for years of “oppression”, not a rational, equitable solution. Well, even though I’m telling the truth women will still constantly try to rationalize their evil. If they’re not willing to change themselves for the better, then why the hell should they expect us to?
I'm just honest. Isn't that what women want? Right, honesty! Women despise any truth that doesn't flatter their egos.
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The true reason why women want men to initiate contact is because they’re too afraid to do it themselves. They’re more afraid of rejection than us. They wouldn’t admit it though, they’d rather hide behind the “old-fashioned”, “traditional” way of a man approaching the woman. This way, their fragile female egos remain intact and they have a wonderfully convenient rationalization to boot. Yep, as much as they love to talk about our fragile egos, they’ve got them too, but can’t admit it lest they abdicate their sense of superiority.
Yeah, it takes a lot of guts for a man to approach a woman. Just remember that when that gutless, yellow-bellied, spineless, chickenshit whore tries to rationalize not asking a man out.
If men had an equal social status to women, would not men and women equally contribute to the mating process, in which case women would not be above approaching men, nor subjected to less than an equal amount of rejection?
Women try to force men to accept their extremely self-centered, self-absorbed, self-obsessed, erroneous worldview, and when we don’t, they demonize us for it.
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- Never, ever date or even get involved with women in the office, actually, just ignore them unless there is business to discuss. If you make one mistake in even complimenting her on her dress, she may slap a sexual harassment suit on your entire company (that is if the advance is unwanted. Welcome advances are not criminalized, but rewarded – but who the hell wants to take the chance to figure it out? Is sex with some woman worth a million-dollar lawsuit, losing your job, or even a trip to jail?). You’ve heard it before, “don’t fish off the company pier”, “don’t crap where you eat”, “don’t dip you pen in the company inkwell”, etc. Sure, you can take the chance, but it is extremely detrimental to your future. Remember that these days, normal, biological male behavior has been criminalized in many venues, be very careful in your approaching them or even in showing interest in them.
- Do not follow nor even come close to seeming as if you are stalking a woman (that includes calling her too often). She will go to the cops, get a restraining order or worse. Because the police are now under feminist mind control, anything a man does (that makes a woman even feel threatened), or is accused by a woman of doing, automatically presumes his guilt. Domestic Violence, Rape, child beating, and child molestation are now crimes where a man is basically guilty until proven innocent. You don’t want to be accused of stalking or harassment of any kind. Remember, those crimes are only crimes if the woman isn’t interested. In those cases, she’s the judge, jury and executioner, and who would want to put their life in the hands of a psychotic, sociopathic, narcissistic, irrational, illogical, unreasonable, self-centered beast full of blind hatred and bent on vengeance?
Even just showing too much interest in a woman can result in your being accused of stalking. Don’t do it.
Always remember the rule that if you’re in an area where the chances of police beatings, criminal prosecution, and million-dollar civil lawsuits are low, you can approach her, as long as you can escape if she’s not interested, preferably without ever giving her your real name… or a good look at your face… or letting her see the license plate number on your car.
The mating game turned mean, vicious, and incredibly ugly with Sexual Harassment and the expanded definitions of "RAPE." The normal flirtation which used to be a bit of fun, has now turned into a deadly game with life destroying consequences which are entirely in the power of the woman. Women are arrogant, hateful, manipulative, exploitive, and masters at using our most basic needs to jerk us around, and other women stupidly support and celebrate their ability to do that.
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- You want to know why we don’t talk? Because you don't listen and would rather not hear what we have to say anyway. And even after we’ve said how we feel honestly, you’ll rip into us for being insensitive jerks and turn the conversation back towards yourselves and how your feelings are so important. And guess what happens, we shut down because we don’t want to hear your shrill, shrieking voices anymore.
Like I’ve said, It just depends on who you want to be - Mr. Nice Guy, i.e. Mr. Reliable who's not necessarily a big turn-on or Mr. Money/Muscles/Power/Fame who really gets her hot sexually, is unpredictable, unreliable, doesn't really give a crap about her, and indulges her need to "get" him. This is why the pursuit of someone that will satisfy you sexually, isn't necessarily a good choice for a lifetime partner. Quite often there is conflict, because the sexual buzz lasts for a limited time.
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- Women are masters at trying to paint themselves in the best possible light.
Women are experts at telling stories, including to themselves, that put them in a favorable light. Everything a woman says is said with the goal of making her look good and feel good. Language is not for communication (or at least not communication of facts -- or even of "feelings"). Foundational lie: "I just want to meet a nice guy." No, you want to be perceived as the kind of girl who would just want to meet a nice guy. Sliiiiight difference, as your actions amply prove. And from there on in, the lies continue. Ask any woman about how her last relationship ended. There will be an elaborate story, in which she comes off looking far better than the actual facts would make her look, if you have access to them. She'll even change history ("Well, I knew that Fred wasn't the one for me, and he basically knew that, or should have, so when I started banging Carlos, the relationship was really kind of over already anyhow . . . ").
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- People can choose to do anything they want to. But they can't choose the consequences. Women constantly get these two things confused. They want to be free to do whatever thing they want, AND to choose the consequences. This isn't possible. It's like someone jumping off a building and expecting not to fall.
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Don’t be a “friend”.
To be nice to women is to be awarded with a one-way ticket to the dreaded 'Just friends' zone. Whenever I used to hear about women who had been mistreated by their boyfriends, I'd feel a great level of sympathy; but not-so any more. It's not that I like to hear about women getting cheated on, abused and beaten; only that it seems, to me, that, nine times out of ten, such women's careless choice of boyfriend made them their own worst enemies. Such women will repeatedly enter relationships with guys who practically stand out as thugs, before crying that "all men are bastards" to their girlfriends and nice male friends, alike, not once stopping to reflect on their own careless behavior in rejecting genuinely nice guys in favor of such thugs. What can you do if a woman's seemingly hell-bent on keeping all nice men she knows as "just friends", while, at the very least, rushing into relationships with guys whose motives and true nature certainly haven't been ascertained? Not a lot, I say. If women would rather risk hurt through involvement with thuggish, uncaring morons, than give a nice guy whose proved a great friend to her a chance (don't even get me started on the "I wouldn't want to risk the friendship" line....) to be something more to her, then I say they deserve no sympathy. It can't be nice to be hurt repeatedly by men; but then, it's not exactly a barrel-of-laughs to be a nice, caring guy, who's forever single and lonely, either.
Women like to keep men in their orbit. It makes them feel like they're in demand, like they need her more than she needs them.
Don’t be a friend with an ex-girlfriend either. Being friends with a woman you broke up with means you get all the disadvantages of being in a relationship with none of the benefits.
Friends and lovers are diametrically opposed opposites of each other in women’s minds. Women don’t want to be friends with a man they’re having sex with.
A man's highest happiness is in, well, being happy (and sometimes in making others happy). Woman's highest form of pleasure is generally in knowing someone else is being made less happy and well off than she.
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The way I see it is women, especially the younger women, will only "date up". They won't date their equal or more accurately they won't date a guy who they perceive is their equal. They will only date guys who they see are better than them. If they can't find one they will just stay single and run around saying "Why should I have to settle!"
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Don’t let women test you. Women are like spoiled children. They are self-focused, insecure and irrational. They crave drama and games. They demand constant attention, reassurance, and above all, power in relationships. And, like children, who ceaselessly push limits to see just how much they can get away with from their parents, women relentlessly test men. Learn how to identify their tests and never fall for them.
Women need to know that their control is absolute. So they test men to see how far they can push them, to see just how much they can get away with. They test to see how insecure men are, to see how desperate they are for sex (to determine how much they can exploit them). They test to see how much they've been able to feminize men (for example, forcing them to express emotions) and so make them more controllable.
They test to reassure themselves of their physical attractiveness, to see if they can still wrap men around their fingers with their sexual power. They test to provide drama in their lives by provoking unnecessary fights and arguments.
Testing is a woman's way of keeping a man off-balance, of keeping him dancing to her tune like a puppet on a string. This is why, as soon as a man reacts to The Test by getting angry, giving in, or apologizing, he has failed. He's lost the relationship game and handed over all his male power, forever doomed to be the groveling wuss-boy who will kneel down and take anything his woman dishes out. And she loves it.
Most women need to be treated, like a recalcitrant child. Give in to them one inch and they will take a mile, just like a spoiled five-year-old would. So the only choice is to be tough and unyielding with them -- they'll either respect you for it, or they will leave. Most of the time the woman will leave for some other guy who she can have her way with. But then she becomes somebody else's problem, so you are better off. And if she stays, despite your not giving in to her, she might actually be someone worth keeping.
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In the end, though, whether women are well-meaning but illogical and mercurial, or they are scheming, calculating bitches, the upshot is the same: if you want to get involved with a woman you can't trust her words or her promises. One way to do that is to just use her as a "fork toy" and then toss her aside when she becomes annoying. Or, if you want a long-term relationship, remember never to "fall" for her completely, or she will dance on your brain and bring you to heel through confusion and emotional terrorism (intended or coincidental). Either she can't help it, or she is doing it on purpose. Which it is doesn't really change things from your end.
A man can expect a woman to act as if nothing is going on, fade on him, flake on him, play games, string him along, forget his name and a million other things that say he just doesn't matter. All that goes away (except for psycho chicks) after the first time you have sex. Until that happens, a man should take every single thing about a woman, with a grain of salt. Also, there is a huge gap between what a woman says and what a woman does. Waiting around, trying to get "close" to a girl, developing friendships and dating etc. are all HIGHLY counterproductive for a man, because of this. A woman decides within seconds if she wants a man or not and then immediately tests him to see if he is important enough and in demand enough to not have to chase her. Almost anything he does to pursue her, please her or try to get close to her, makes his value drop. It sucks that women are so fucked up. But, it is what is.
A lot of men don't know this. They assume because they have put significant time and effort into wooing a girl and she is responding, that he is important to her. Nothing could be further from the truth. You will rarely find a woman who will admit this, but their behavior shows this VERY clearly.
Until you put your penis in a woman, you mean NOTHING to her, no matter what. Even after that, many will still flake on you soon after.
No matter how hot and heavy and interested in you she seems, no matter how much she grinds against you on the dance floor or whispers dirty promises in your ear, no matter how much she said she wants you to call her, no matter what love letters she writes you professing her undying love, until you put your penis in her, from her point of view, it is as if none of that ever happened and you are a stranger being met for the first time. That first sexual contact is the very beginning of your relating to her. Before then, you don't exist.
Men assume they are building up a relationship and getting to know her with the eventual goal of making her close enough to you and trusting enough of you to have sex. This is completely erroneous. Women lie about this all the time which is the source of the misunderstanding. What women actually do is keep a number of potentials in the wings and have sex with one of them (or some complete stranger), quite at random, when they want to initiate courtship with them. The less you are willing to wait around for her to decide to fork you, the higher your status. Also, since it is mostly random, it is a much better strategy for men to look for the woman who wants him right now, rather than to invest time and energy on a woman. However, women are completely neurotic, so you have to disguise it as something innocuous (hey, want to come over to my place and watch this new DVD I got....hehehe). You both know the real reason she is coming over to your place but you both must pretend it just sort of happened. It is very important that, if a woman ever says no to you, during the course of you seducing her, that you wander off, preferably with someone else. Hey, want to come over to my place and see the new DVD I got? No? Well, look, I’m busy right now and I gotta go, but I'll call you later in the week. Don't call her. And if she doesn't call you, forget all about her.
Some women are psychotic and prone to random slutty stuff like going to a club, doing a bunch of ecstasy and then blowing some random guy in the bathroom. Look, but don't touch. There is nothing you can do about women being neurotic except work around it and prevent it from impacting your life. But, psychotic women are a whole different story. They are rare (thankfully) but extremely toxic. Keep them out of your life at all costs.
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I don’t often advocate this but: If you feel you must and it is necessary for you to do so, LIE. That’s right, women most often don’t want to hear the truth. And if you lie, lie well, because it's so much more effective than the truth. Women don't want the truth. They want whatever fits into that private script they have running in their heads, which they substitute for reality.
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Also remember to be discreet. The man who brags about his sexual escapades is only bragging about how much women control him.
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By the way, don’t fall for the belief from women that not all women are bad and that you should be dating “nice girls” instead of fashion models. The admonishment to seek out "nice girls" is a crock of poop. "Nice girls" are just women who are watching their gorgeous sisters act like pampered children, and are chomping at the bit to do the same. They're "nice" until they decide that they have you, then they think, "Thank God. Now I can finally have a proper relationship with a man," at which point they start acting like fashion models.
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DISCLAIMER: These rules may seem only to apply to the average man looking for sex. That is only partially true. In order to mount a significant defense, avert all problems, and avoid all costs caused by the creature that is the American (Western World) female, even men who are not looking for a good time, or who may even be looking for a good mate, can apply them with success. Even the man on a dating/marriage boycott can benefit from the rules that apply to contact, or lack thereof, with American females.
Me personally, I’m a nice guy, but I for too long have I experienced the above behaviors in too many American females. In order to save other men from the treacherous pitfalls of getting screwed, I created this list.
By destroying the essential foundation of courtesy and respect formerly part of "dating" relationships, women have invited men to treat them with the same contempt that women have been showing to men for the past 3 decades. Many men are promoting an approach to women which is equally ruthless and exploitive to the one which women have been pursuing toward men since the late 1960s.
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They test to see how much they've been able to feminize men (for example, forcing them to express emotions) and so make them more controllable
Random pick, sort of. Any woman who thinks she can out-feminize me is in for a rude awakening. It'll be a cold day in hell when I am going to be the one controlled because I express my emotions. This one doesn't fly. And I don't see how that's "feminizing" given the other descriptions of what women actuall do in the 'article'.
Well here is a non-random pick with which I happen to agree.
One of these things that they must merit is respect. American women are raised and ingrained with an incredibly strong sense of entitlement. One of the biggest items on the list of things that women feel entitled to is RESPECT. Most young men grow up being told by both parents to “respect women”. That is a thought and feeling ingrained in every young man and woman. Women, on the other hand, are rarely, if ever, told to “respect men”. It’s almost a joke to most women to even suggest it. Quite the contrary, most women are told to beware of men.
One of these things that they must merit is respect. American women are raised and ingrained with an incredibly strong sense of entitlement. One of the biggest items on the list of things that women feel entitled to is RESPECT. Most young men grow up being told by both parents to “respect women”. That is a thought and feeling ingrained in every young man and woman. Women, on the other hand, are rarely, if ever, told to “respect men”. It’s almost a joke to most women to even suggest it. Quite the contrary, most women are told to beware of men.
What do we think of men in this country that go about their lives with a sense of entitlement with regard to being shown respect?
Hint: He is a step away from being abusive, if he isn't already.
IMO women are just as abusive.
Hint: He is a step away from being abusive, if he isn't already.
IMO women are just as abusive.
Another non-random snippet
- Getting attention is the feminine equivalent of "scoring." For your average man, getting inside a woman's pants is what affirms for him that he's attractive and desirable. A man who manages to get a woman to get naked with him feels good, because he feels validated.
For women, all it takes is knowing that you want her. That's it. Once you look at her (or strive not to look at her) in that way that says, "Wow," she knows that she could have you if she wanted you. It reaffirms for her that her sex is worth something. It reaffirms that when it comes time for her to make her life choice she can demand a high price because she has what men want.
That's why women lead men on and then give them the cold shoulder. Once you give her that look, you gave her what she was after. She doesn't need anything else from you, so she sees no need to continue treating you nicely. Some women will smile at you across the room, lick their lips, do everything but rip their clothes off and masturbate in front of you but, when you cross the dance floor and say, "Hi! Want to dance?" they say, "With you? Yeah, right." Why? Simple: the minute you walked across the floor to ask her she had what she wanted. The rest, for her, is academic. She knows that if she's horny she can have you, but she doesn't want you. She just wanted to know that you wanted her, and she's all done.
- Getting attention is the feminine equivalent of "scoring." For your average man, getting inside a woman's pants is what affirms for him that he's attractive and desirable. A man who manages to get a woman to get naked with him feels good, because he feels validated.
For women, all it takes is knowing that you want her. That's it. Once you look at her (or strive not to look at her) in that way that says, "Wow," she knows that she could have you if she wanted you. It reaffirms for her that her sex is worth something. It reaffirms that when it comes time for her to make her life choice she can demand a high price because she has what men want.
That's why women lead men on and then give them the cold shoulder. Once you give her that look, you gave her what she was after. She doesn't need anything else from you, so she sees no need to continue treating you nicely. Some women will smile at you across the room, lick their lips, do everything but rip their clothes off and masturbate in front of you but, when you cross the dance floor and say, "Hi! Want to dance?" they say, "With you? Yeah, right." Why? Simple: the minute you walked across the floor to ask her she had what she wanted. The rest, for her, is academic. She knows that if she's horny she can have you, but she doesn't want you. She just wanted to know that you wanted her, and she's all done.
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Random pick, sort of. Any woman who thinks she can out-feminize me is in for a rude awakening. It'll be a cold day in hell when I am going to be the one controlled because I express my emotions. This one doesn't fly. And I don't see how that's "feminizing" given the other descriptions of what women actuall do in the 'article'.
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Maybe I should switch my avatar to Arnold while you do Rosa.
Millness, the kernels of truth that are in all that chaff are kinda sad if you can think about them sans the attitude. And they really don't go women's way, which is kinda sorta deep down the whole point.
QUOTE(lil bart @ Mar 28 2005, 11:34 AM)
Millness, the kernels of truth that are in all that chaff are kinda sad if you can think about them sans the attitude. And they really don't go women's way, which is kinda sorta deep down the whole point.
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I'm supposed to feel bad for a woman because she will reject me early in life to be with a cad that excites them?
What a woman wants is a nice guy that excites her. But, due to a construct in her mind (thanks cake), those two can never be the same person.
Sorry.
You don't know sh*t.
Which is all I'm bothering to tell you anymore.
Right. I only know what I've seen.
Is this the latest chapter in the whining loser's life?
What a moron.
Everything is someone elses fault but Ills.
Why don't you join a whining pathetic loser club and spare the rest of us your bedroom problems?
What a moron.
Everything is someone elses fault but Ills.
Why don't you join a whining pathetic loser club and spare the rest of us your bedroom problems?
Growing up surrounded by women, perhaps I'm considered effeminate in some circles because I happen to know (from what I've seen ) that it is indeed possible to be compassionate, and kind-hearted, and be exciting, as well...
That's not to say that I can't also be a full-fledged member of the cro-mag club...but some ponies know more than one trick...
That's not to say that I can't also be a full-fledged member of the cro-mag club...but some ponies know more than one trick...
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Is this the latest chapter in the whining loser's life?
What a moron.
Everything is someone elses fault but Ills.
Why don't you join a whining pathetic loser club and spare the rest of us your bedroom problems?
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What a moron.
Everything is someone elses fault but Ills.
Why don't you join a whining pathetic loser club and spare the rest of us your bedroom problems?
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Gee, on the contrary, the way I see it, feminists like to whine and blame men for their problems. My posting a response to the entitlement mentality feminists is considered by you to be whining?
Let's just say I'm really hurt.
Whine
Stresses of battle hit female GIs hard
Sun Mar 20, 9:40 AM ET
Top Stories - Chicago Tribune
By Kirsten Scharnberg Tribune national correspondent
On a mission just south of Baghdad over the winter, a young soldier jumped into the gunner's turret of an armored Humvee and took control of the menacing .50-caliber machine gun. She was 19 years old, weighed barely 100 pounds and had a blond ponytail hanging out from under her Kevlar helmet.
"This is what is different about this war," Lt. Col. Richard Rael, commander of the 515th Corps Support Battalion, said of the scene at the time. "Women are fighting it. Women under my command have confirmed kills. These little wisps of things are stronger than anyone could ever imagine and taking on more than most Americans could ever know."
But today, two years after the start of an Iraq (news - web sites) war in which traditional front lines were virtually obliterated and women were tasked to fill lethal combat roles more routinely than in any conflict in U.S. history, the nation may be just beginning to see and feel the effects of such service.
Thousands of women, like the male veterans of so many wars before, are returning home emotionally damaged by what they have seen and done. These female troops appear more prone to post-traumatic stress disorder, or PTSD, than their male counterparts.
And studies indicate that many of these women suffer from more pronounced and debilitating forms of PTSD than men, a worrisome finding in a nation that remembers how many traumatized troops got back from Vietnam and turned to drugs and violence, alcohol and suicide.
One children's book increasingly popular among military families illustrates what the effects of this most recent war might mean for society in the years and even decades to come: "Why Is Mommy Like She Is? A Book for Kids About PTSD."
In the wake of such concerns, the Veterans Affairs Department has launched a pioneering $6 million study of PTSD among female veterans. It is the first VA study to focus exclusively on female veterans; 8 percent to 10 percent of active-duty and retired military women suffer from PTSD.
"PTSD is a very real problem for women who serve in the military," said Paula Schnurr, one of the study's lead researchers and the deputy executive director of the VA's National Center for PTSD in White River Junction, Vt. "This study is specifically addressing that, and we hope it will not only help us treat women coming home from Iraq, but all those who have ever served and struggled with PTSD in any conflict before."
The study's findings are not due until the end of the year, but researchers already have made some startling discoveries that are illustrative of the nature of PTSD among female veterans and of the U.S. military.
According to Schnurr, data indicate that female military personnel are far more likely than their male counterparts to have been exposed to some kind of trauma or multiple traumas before joining the military or being deployed in combat. That may include physical assault, sexual abuse or rape.
"The speculation is that many of them are joining the military to get away from adverse environments," said Schnurr, also a professor of psychiatry at Dartmouth College, speaking of the nearly 216,000 U.S. women on active duty and the nearly 151,000 who are part of the reserves and National Guard.
The implication of such a finding on PTSD research is considered significant. Because most research indicates that a person is at greater risk of developing PTSD--or developing more severe PTSD--when he or she has had past traumas, many female troops are deploying to war zones already heavily predisposed to react adversely to the intense fear, killing and loss routinely encountered there.
"The evidence is conclusive," said Rachel MacNair, an expert in the psychological effects of violence and PTSD. "The greater the trauma in your life, the greater the symptoms of PTSD."
Stresses of battle hit female GIs hard
Sun Mar 20, 9:40 AM ET
Top Stories - Chicago Tribune
By Kirsten Scharnberg Tribune national correspondent
On a mission just south of Baghdad over the winter, a young soldier jumped into the gunner's turret of an armored Humvee and took control of the menacing .50-caliber machine gun. She was 19 years old, weighed barely 100 pounds and had a blond ponytail hanging out from under her Kevlar helmet.
"This is what is different about this war," Lt. Col. Richard Rael, commander of the 515th Corps Support Battalion, said of the scene at the time. "Women are fighting it. Women under my command have confirmed kills. These little wisps of things are stronger than anyone could ever imagine and taking on more than most Americans could ever know."
But today, two years after the start of an Iraq (news - web sites) war in which traditional front lines were virtually obliterated and women were tasked to fill lethal combat roles more routinely than in any conflict in U.S. history, the nation may be just beginning to see and feel the effects of such service.
Thousands of women, like the male veterans of so many wars before, are returning home emotionally damaged by what they have seen and done. These female troops appear more prone to post-traumatic stress disorder, or PTSD, than their male counterparts.
And studies indicate that many of these women suffer from more pronounced and debilitating forms of PTSD than men, a worrisome finding in a nation that remembers how many traumatized troops got back from Vietnam and turned to drugs and violence, alcohol and suicide.
One children's book increasingly popular among military families illustrates what the effects of this most recent war might mean for society in the years and even decades to come: "Why Is Mommy Like She Is? A Book for Kids About PTSD."
In the wake of such concerns, the Veterans Affairs Department has launched a pioneering $6 million study of PTSD among female veterans. It is the first VA study to focus exclusively on female veterans; 8 percent to 10 percent of active-duty and retired military women suffer from PTSD.
"PTSD is a very real problem for women who serve in the military," said Paula Schnurr, one of the study's lead researchers and the deputy executive director of the VA's National Center for PTSD in White River Junction, Vt. "This study is specifically addressing that, and we hope it will not only help us treat women coming home from Iraq, but all those who have ever served and struggled with PTSD in any conflict before."
The study's findings are not due until the end of the year, but researchers already have made some startling discoveries that are illustrative of the nature of PTSD among female veterans and of the U.S. military.
According to Schnurr, data indicate that female military personnel are far more likely than their male counterparts to have been exposed to some kind of trauma or multiple traumas before joining the military or being deployed in combat. That may include physical assault, sexual abuse or rape.
"The speculation is that many of them are joining the military to get away from adverse environments," said Schnurr, also a professor of psychiatry at Dartmouth College, speaking of the nearly 216,000 U.S. women on active duty and the nearly 151,000 who are part of the reserves and National Guard.
The implication of such a finding on PTSD research is considered significant. Because most research indicates that a person is at greater risk of developing PTSD--or developing more severe PTSD--when he or she has had past traumas, many female troops are deploying to war zones already heavily predisposed to react adversely to the intense fear, killing and loss routinely encountered there.
"The evidence is conclusive," said Rachel MacNair, an expert in the psychological effects of violence and PTSD. "The greater the trauma in your life, the greater the symptoms of PTSD."
From this week's New Yorker, for Nomarchy.
Jes' cuz I thought you'd like it.
Jes' cuz I thought you'd like it.
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Whine
Stresses of battle hit female GIs hard
Sun Mar 20, 9:40 AM ET
Top Stories - Chicago Tribune
By Kirsten Scharnberg Tribune national correspondent
On a mission just south of Baghdad over the winter, a young soldier jumped into the gunner's turret of an armored Humvee and took control of the menacing .50-caliber machine gun. She was 19 years old, weighed barely 100 pounds and had a blond ponytail hanging out from under her Kevlar helmet.
"This is what is different about this war," Lt. Col. Richard Rael, commander of the 515th Corps Support Battalion, said of the scene at the time. "Women are fighting it. Women under my command have confirmed kills. These little wisps of things are stronger than anyone could ever imagine and taking on more than most Americans could ever know."
But today, two years after the start of an Iraq (news - web sites) war in which traditional front lines were virtually obliterated and women were tasked to fill lethal combat roles more routinely than in any conflict in U.S. history, the nation may be just beginning to see and feel the effects of such service.
Thousands of women, like the male veterans of so many wars before, are returning home emotionally damaged by what they have seen and done. These female troops appear more prone to post-traumatic stress disorder, or PTSD, than their male counterparts.
And studies indicate that many of these women suffer from more pronounced and debilitating forms of PTSD than men, a worrisome finding in a nation that remembers how many traumatized troops got back from Vietnam and turned to drugs and violence, alcohol and suicide.
One children's book increasingly popular among military families illustrates what the effects of this most recent war might mean for society in the years and even decades to come: "Why Is Mommy Like She Is? A Book for Kids About PTSD."
In the wake of such concerns, the Veterans Affairs Department has launched a pioneering $6 million study of PTSD among female veterans. It is the first VA study to focus exclusively on female veterans; 8 percent to 10 percent of active-duty and retired military women suffer from PTSD.
"PTSD is a very real problem for women who serve in the military," said Paula Schnurr, one of the study's lead researchers and the deputy executive director of the VA's National Center for PTSD in White River Junction, Vt. "This study is specifically addressing that, and we hope it will not only help us treat women coming home from Iraq, but all those who have ever served and struggled with PTSD in any conflict before."
The study's findings are not due until the end of the year, but researchers already have made some startling discoveries that are illustrative of the nature of PTSD among female veterans and of the U.S. military.
According to Schnurr, data indicate that female military personnel are far more likely than their male counterparts to have been exposed to some kind of trauma or multiple traumas before joining the military or being deployed in combat. That may include physical assault, sexual abuse or rape.
"The speculation is that many of them are joining the military to get away from adverse environments," said Schnurr, also a professor of psychiatry at Dartmouth College, speaking of the nearly 216,000 U.S. women on active duty and the nearly 151,000 who are part of the reserves and National Guard.
The implication of such a finding on PTSD research is considered significant. Because most research indicates that a person is at greater risk of developing PTSD--or developing more severe PTSD--when he or she has had past traumas, many female troops are deploying to war zones already heavily predisposed to react adversely to the intense fear, killing and loss routinely encountered there.
"The evidence is conclusive," said Rachel MacNair, an expert in the psychological effects of violence and PTSD. "The greater the trauma in your life, the greater the symptoms of PTSD."
First off, you need to understand that I am a feminist AND I don't like discrimination. However, when it comes to combat, there needs to be segregation of the sexes. I've got nothing against women IN combat, but the whole squad needs to be women. Leave the men in the male units and the women in the female units. There is an instinctual male "thing" that causes a man to hessitate when it comes to seeing a woman injured. Being a field medic, I know this far to well. I've struggled with the instinct to automatically treat a woman before a man... fortunately, I followed standard Triage protocols instead. But triage is far different from combat. The smallest hesitation to get you or someone else killed, so, it's best to remove that possibility of hesitation.
I think you can be a feminist and still realize men and women are different, so some allowances have to be made. Many (most?) men's natural desire to protect women and women's natural desire to protect their babies has to be taken into account when designing systems where human frailty is involved.
Combat is tough enough without adding sex into the mix.
Combat is tough enough without adding sex into the mix.
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