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Friend Judy
http://nytimes.com/2005/06/13/opinion/13mon4.html
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Mudslides usually make the news only when they take out a neighborhood of expensive hillside homes or bury a major route like the Pacific Coast Highway. But for anyone headed to Yellowstone this summer, the only mudslide that matters is the one that began on May 19, closing a long stretch of the Beartooth Highway - U.S. 212 - between Red Lodge, Mont., and the Wyoming state line.

On a good map, the Beartooth looks like a schematic illustration of the small intestine. It is not the fast way from anywhere to anywhere else. It is not even the only way from anywhere to anywhere else. It is simply the most vertiginous way.

Most highways at least hint at an underlying economic purpose. They take you where the traffic wants to go, or at least where it used to want to go. But the Beartooth feels like a highway that was built just for the heck of building it. Whether you are driving west out of Red Lodge or east out of Cooke City, there comes a moment when you begin to wonder if the road will ever top out on Beartooth Pass, elev. 10,947, or whether it will just keep climbing in switchbacks forever. And you wonder, too, just how it was ever possible to build such a road. Somehow it makes sense that it was constructed in the mid-1930's, when earth-moving equipment was a lot smaller than it is now. It's easier still to imagine the highway having been carved out of the granite by small men using dental drills.

So far, everyone who has gone up the Beartooth Highway seems to have made it down, though no one knows how many have sworn not to make the trip again. At some points - the stunning drop into Rock Creek Canyon is one - a fear of heights is the only rational response. The Montana Highway Department is pledging to have repairs done by mid-October. In other words, it hopes to reopen the highway just in time to close it for winter.


This is one of my favorite places. As the author says, it's a narrow, spectacular and completely pointless but exquisitely beautiful drive. I once had the "pleasure" of accidentally getting myself stuck on it when it closed for winter. Don't know how they missed me when checking the road, but when I got to the Wyoming end, a very sturdy and impassable "road closed" gate was locked up for the winter. So I turned around and went back to the Montana end (after a stop at the only thing along the road, a ranger station, also all locked up) only to find THAT gate locked up, too. Had to break the lock with the handle of my jack to get out.

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For a really spectacular shot of the view from the summit, click this link. (It's too wide for the screen here.)

http://huskertsd.tripod.com/landscape/beartooth_pass.htm
Russ Logan
Actually a few that come to mind:

Firstly, my current and last home, Colorado. http://www.colorado.com/

And in no particular order:

1. Hanauma Bay, HI (on Oahu) http://www.co.honolulu.hi.us/parks/facilit...bay/welcome.htm
2. Yokahama Beach (also on Oahu) http://www.sailhawaii.com/snuba.html#yoks
3. Rotenberg-ob-der-Tauber, Germany http://www.rothenburg-online.de/cgi-bin/se...gory=Rothenburg
4. Firenze, Italy http://www.firenze.net/dynamic/index.wbs?lingua=ENG
5. Christschurch, NZ http://www.christchurch.org.nz/
6. Monschau, Germany http://www.spotlightgermany.com/articles/monschau.htm
7. Scheveningen/den Haag/Keukenhof Gardens, the Netherlands http://home-2.worldonline.nl/~aarde01/ & http://www.europebyphoto.com/2keukenhofgardens-tour.html
8. Carlsbad Caverns, NM http://www.nps.gov/cave/home.htm
9. Yellowstone National Park http://www.nps.gov/yell/tours/index.htm
10. Sankt Johann im Tirol, Austria http://www.tiscover.at/at/guide/55837at,en...r,EUR/home.html
SpaceCowboy
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Libby Flats Observation Site 

Quick Facts

Elevation:  10,847 Feet
Reservation:  No
Season:  Year-round

Directions
From Laramie, Travel 40 miles west on Hwy. 130, the Snowy Range Scenic Byway.

Location Information
The Libby Flats Observation Point is located at the top of 10,847 foot Snowy Range Pass, along the Snowy Range Scenic Byway. It provides a wide vista of the surrounding mountain ranges, including some of the ranges in northern Colorado. Libby Flats has a short interpretive trail and a beautiful array of wildflowers can be seen from early June through July.

http://travel.yahoo.com/p-parks-236791-lib...viewing_sites-i


Libby Flats is in the Snowy Range Mountains of Wyoming. We vacationed there every other year for about ten years starting back in 1975. Beautiful country with easy access to many near wilderness sites if one is willing to hike a bit
Friend Judy
Gorgeous! I think I'll add that to my list of places to go camping this summer!
Bee
Kings Canyon, California.

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John Steinbeck described redwoods as "ambasadors from another time," and some can live over 2000 years. As a species, redwoods date back to a prehistoric era when dinosaurs plodded around the earth some 130 million years ago.

As Steinbeck also said, it is hard to describe the feeling you have when you are among them, reverence and respect.

And awe.

Oh, Nice Mountains, too. smile.gif

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GoBigrGoHome
Y'all would call me a pervert if I told / showed you!!
SpaceCowboy
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Y'all would call me a pervert if I told / showed you!!
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Just don't show us!
Bix12
Oh! Great idea for a thread, Judy! Onliest thing is, I've more than one favorite place....

Let's start anti~alphabetically:


ZION NATIONAL PARK~Utah

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I could say the wind twirls the dust like a dancing partner.

Imagine a cloud blooming into a flower.
Imagine a raindrop, a storm, a river over-flowing its boundaries.
Imagine praying to the coyote, the raven, the snake.

If a grain of sand were dropped upon your back would its weight make you kneel?

Imagine toads hatching, gathering in circles: pow wows around puddles.
Imagine a single peeping toad, then four, eight, a chorus ringing.
Imagine a dove, white as a handkerchief, flapping in the wind, free.


Patrick Loafman

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GoBigrGoHome
The place about 3 feet from the top of a 6 foot red-head who would be considered "statuesque!"
Arturo_Vandelay
Since somebody else already put up Zion. Stayed at the inn at the bottom a few days once. Quite a view, and great hiking.

Close enough to tie is Mesa Verde.



http://www.nps.gov/meve/



Mesa Verde, Spanish for "green table", offers an unparalleled opportunity to see and experience a unique cultural and physical landscape. The culture represented at Mesa Verde reflects more than 700 years of history. From approximately A.D. 600 through A.D. 1300 people lived and flourished in communities throughout the area, eventually building elaborate stone villages in the sheltered alcoves of the canyon walls. Today most people call these sheltered villages "cliff dwellings". The cliff dwellings represent the last 75 to 100 years of occupation at Mesa Verde. In the late 1200s within the span of one or two generations, they left their homes and moved away.

The archeological sites found in Mesa Verde are some of the most notable and best preserved in the United States. Mesa Verde National Park offers visitors a spectacular look into the lives of the Ancestral Pueblo people. Scientists study the ancient dwellings of Mesa Verde, in part, by making comparisons between the Ancestral Pueblo people and their contemporary indigenous descendants who still live in the Southwest today. Twenty-four Native American tribes in the southwest have an ancestral affiliation with the sites at Mesa Verde.
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Bee
Mesa Verde and Zion, a couple of the most beautiful places. I love the way the position of the sun can change te whole look of the area.

Friend Judy
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jun 13 2005, 05:29 PM)
Since somebody else already put up Zion. Stayed at the inn at the bottom a few days once. Quite a view, and great hiking.

Close enough to tie is Mesa Verde.
http://www.nps.gov/meve/
Mesa Verde, Spanish for "green table", offers an unparalleled opportunity to see and experience a unique cultural and physical landscape. The culture represented at Mesa Verde reflects more than 700 years of history. From approximately A.D. 600 through A.D. 1300 people lived and flourished in communities throughout the area, eventually building elaborate stone villages in the sheltered alcoves of the canyon walls. Today most people call these sheltered villages "cliff dwellings". The cliff dwellings represent the last 75 to 100 years of occupation at Mesa Verde. In the late 1200s within the span of one or two generations, they left their homes and moved away.

The archeological sites found in Mesa Verde are some of the most notable and best preserved in the United States. Mesa Verde National Park offers visitors a spectacular look into the lives of the Ancestral Pueblo people. Scientists study the ancient dwellings of Mesa Verde, in part, by making comparisons between the Ancestral Pueblo people and their contemporary indigenous descendants who still live in the Southwest today. Twenty-four Native American tribes in the southwest have an ancestral affiliation with the sites at Mesa Verde.
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Hey, I been there!

Back in the day (1969), my Anth 315 (field technique) class was a field study there. The 10 of us spent a whole (very hot) summer digging out a 3m x 3m grid, finding nearly nothing but a few bits of broken pottery and a dead hawk's skeleton.

But boy, we sure had fun doing it!
SpaceCowboy
Mesa Verde is a family favorite here too. Zion is still on my to do list, as is the Pacific NW.
Bix12
QUOTE(Bee @ Jun 13 2005, 08:19 PM)
Mesa Verde and Zion, a couple of the most beautiful places. I love the way the position of the sun can change te whole look of the area.
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I've been to Mesa Verde a few times, also...incredible place, and yer absolutely right about the sunshine, Bee...the light in the desert is truly magical...it is a seperate "thing" unto itself....seemingly a living part of the landscape.

It's in constant flux throughout the day....and the changes are at the same time both tangible, and subtle...

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Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Jun 13 2005, 07:41 PM)
Mesa Verde is a family favorite here too. Zion is still on my to do list, as is the Pacific NW.
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We liked the lodge at the bottom of Zion so well we stayed an extra day.

Another interesting place, though hardly beautiful. Chaco canyon. 300 Indian dwellings in one spot.

http://www.colorado.edu/Conferences/chaco/tour/chacomap.htm

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Pueblo Bonito, or "pretty village" in Spanish, is the largest and most famous ruin in Chaco Canyon. Its Navajo name, tse biyaa anii'ahi , means "leaning rock gap" and refers to a sheet of rock that separated from the cliff wall behind it. In 1941 the rock, known as Threatening Rock in English, fell and crushed the northeast portion of the pueblo.



Pueblo Bonito reached five stories in height along its back wall and may have contained as many as 800 rooms. The pueblo was built in stages beginning around 919 AD. During later constuction some of the lower level rooms were filled with trash to better support the upper levels. At its peak in the late 1000's as many as 600 rooms may have been in use.
Bix12
Another of my favorite places...

The Olympic National Rain Forest~Washington state


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The Little Elf

I met a little Elfman once,
Down where the lilies blow.
I asked him why he was so small,
And why he didn't grow.

He slightly frowned, and with his eye
He looked me through and through -
" I'm just as big for me," said he,
" As you are big for you!"


John K. Bangs



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Bee
QUOTE(Bix12 @ Jun 14 2005, 06:21 PM)
Another of my favorite places...

The Olympic National Rain Forest~Washington state
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The Little Elf

I met a little Elfman once,
Down where the lilies blow.
I asked him why he was so small,
And why he didn't grow.

He slightly frowned, and with his eye
He looked me through and through -
" I'm just as big for me," said he,
" As you are big for you!"


John K. Bangs
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Bix12
Bryce Canyon National Park~Utah

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badlands
empty
of the marks of man
such beauty sculpted
by the invisible wind

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...see the two hikers in the picture above?
Bix12
Kruger Park~on the border of South Africa & Zimbabwe...

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Listen - listen - across the land called Africa-
For the birds are singing here
The roar of the lioness - the whine of her cubs
The cry of the vultures - ever, ever circling there-

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Oh - see for miles
No tangled web of wires
Endless horizons spread
No polluted mists - a view that will never tire

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Listen - listen - across the land called Africa
The sun goes down - birds settle in every tree
The hunt begins - endless for their prey
For these are the sounds of Africa - they keep Africa free!

Dorothy M. Center
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These pictures do not do justice to the magnificence that is Africa....
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Bix12 @ Jun 16 2005, 07:03 AM)
Kruger Park~on the border of South Africa & Zimbabwe...

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Listen - listen - across the land called Africa-
For the birds are singing here
The roar of the lioness - the whine of her cubs
The cry of the vultures - ever, ever circling there-

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Oh - see for miles
No tangled web of wires
Endless horizons spread
No polluted mists - a view that will never tire

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Listen - listen - across the land called Africa
The sun goes down - birds settle in every tree
The hunt begins - endless for their prey
For these are the sounds of Africa - they keep Africa free!

Dorothy M. Center 
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These pictures do not do justice to the magnificence that is Africa....
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Good pics.
Friend Judy
Update on Zion:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...5070100998.html
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ZION NATIONAL PARK, UTAH
Park It . . . Then Park It
Who needs a car? With its innovative shuttle service, Zion is in the driver's seat.

By Steve Hendrix
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, July 3, 2005; Page P01

At Zion National Park, they don't seem at all eager to forget the bad old days. In fact, around the visitors center on a stunning June morning, it's easy to find folks happy to dish about how awful a summer visit to Zion used to be.

"Oh, it could be miserable," says Tom Haraden. He's a boyish, mustachioed ranger in the Ron Howard mode, and he talks about Zion's famous peak-season gridlock with something like glee: Each day, more than 5,000 cars, buses and RVs jammed the six-mile scenic road into the heart of the park, all vying for fewer than 500 parking spaces at the trailheads and scenic spots along the way. The result was a chronic bad-tempered backup. Tailpipe haze smothered the juniper air, horn honks and muffler roars overwhelmed the whisper of the nearby Virgin River, and purple oaths echoed from ocher cliffs. In all, a summer day in Zion -- with its biblical name meaning "place of sanctuary" -- boasted all the appeal of a Manhattan rush hour.

Ranger Rebekka Anderson remembers the bleak effect traffic had throughout the canyon, even from 3,000 feet above. "You could hear it from Angels Landing," she says, referring to one of the park's highest outlooks, a soaring rock peak with a falcon's-eye view of the terrain below. "After a hard hike up there, you'd look down and see nothing but bumper-to-bumper cars."

And now? "You should go up and see," Anderson says, beaming.

There's still a bright line of morning sun creeping down the red cliff face as I walk out to the curb, where a big white bus waits to take me on a tour through the future of America's national parks. Day is still just shouldering aside the cool canyon shadows, but the large parking lot behind the visitors center is more than half full of cars. A steady current of visitors flows through the wide plaza of the new $2.5 million center, eddying around the handsome timber kiosks where carefully crafted displays brief them on Zion's attractions and history. Two of the kiosks are devoted to describing various half- and full-day itineraries, and by the time they reach the covered timber bus shelter on the far side, most people should have a pretty good idea how Zion works.

Zion, in southwest Utah, is one of the Four Corner parks, and tourists typically add it to their circuit visits of Grand Canyon, Bryce Canyon and Arches national parks. Like those others, Zion is defined by the dramatic landforms carved by the eons from the high desert plateau, most notably the tight and winding Zion Canyon. Its intimate grandeur -- a soaring corridor lined with homey riverside clearings and a variety of day trails -- drew almost 2.7 million folks last year. That's where the shuttle goes.

At the white bus, emblazoned with a golden eagle on the side, I step aside for an older couple to make their way up the steps -- slow but serious hikers, judging by the matching Tilley hats, the Magellan GPS unit and their Komperdell collapsible trekking poles. I follow a family of four, fragrant of sunblock and each wearing a day pack. The bus is half full, and at the back, a group of college-age women make last-minute adjustments to the bulging overnight backpacks on their laps.

"Welcome to Zion National Park and the Zion shuttle," says the driver after we pull away with a hydraulic hiss. His spiel is carried on speakers in our bus and through the attached trailer bus trundling behind us. "The Zion shuttle is the only access into the canyon and the Zion Scenic Drive. We'll be making eight stops on our way up-canyon. You're welcome to get off at any stop, stay as long as you like and get back on another shuttle. Buses run every seven minutes. If you were to stay on the bus for the entire loop, the trip up and back will take about 90 minutes. The last shuttle to the visitors center departs the Temple of Sinawava at 11 p.m.

"First stop, the Zion Human History Museum."

At first, though, we're not going anywhere. The shuttle idles quietly for a good four minutes near the park entrance, as an unyielding string of cars and RVs zips by. Nothing surprising about that. Some 2,800 cars will pour into the park on this beautiful June day in southwestern Utah, bring some of the 2 million-plus visitors that come to Zion each year. This edge of the park is completely open to traffic.

Finally we pull out and join the pack heading along Route 9. But after about a mile, something profound happens. The traffic forks right, toward the Mount Carmel Tunnel, and points east. But the shuttle bears left, into the heart of Zion on a highway that is utterly empty. It's quiet, a two-lane drive all our own. The road is open and so are all the windows; a pinyon breeze ruffles hair and bandannas all along the bus.
(much more about the beauty of Zion)


Myself, I always just walked the 6 miles. I mean, if the idea is a hike, what's wrong with just hiking past the traffic jam?

Grand Tetons has a similar silence in April, when the part is closed to cars, but open to foot traffic, bicycles, roller bladers, foot powered or electric scooters, skate boards, baby carriage, and any other quiet form of transport. The snow is just melting, mating season is in progress, and the animals hanging out near or on the roads. This April, I say a bunch of elk, a bald eagle, a grizzly bear, wolf tracks and a moose, all on a 5-mile-each-way stroll.
Carol
A few of my favorites are:

Bar Harbor, Maine

Gatlinburg, Tennessee

Myrtle Beach, South Carolina

Porcupine Mountains Wilderness State Park and Sault St. Marie (Upper Michigan)

Traverse City, Ludington, Manistee, Mackinaw City and Island—all in Lower Michigan

The most unusual place I visited was "House on the Rock" in Spring Green, Wisconsin. After you explore the Rock House, you then enter into a vast array of caverns filled with amazing relics from the past. About mid-way through is the Carousel Room. It will take your breath away. You'll never see another one like it. It's just too much to describe...an awesome array of a seemingly childlike fantasy until you look closer...

*****

Has anyone been to Ocho Rios, Jamaica?

I'm going there this December and would appreciate any travel tips, stories or other info you could share with me.
Human Ills
Welcome back, Carol!
Carol
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Welcome back, Carol!
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HI, HI!!

Good to see you.

I've been busy lately trying to plan a trip. I started out going to the Bahamas on a cruise and ended up choosing to fly to Jamaica. LOL!!! I feel like I've been on a trip already. The research and selection has been mentally exhausting sad.gif
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(Human Ills @ Sep 23 2005, 10:39 AM)
Welcome back, Carol!
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Yes indeedy!
gtessex
QUOTE(Carol A @ Sep 23 2005, 11:43 AM)
HI, HI!!

Good to see you. 

I've been busy lately trying to plan a trip.  I started out going to the Bahamas on a cruise and ended up choosing to fly to Jamaica.  LOL!!!  I feel like I've been on a trip already.  The research and selection has been mentally exhausting sad.gif
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Hi Carol,

Good to see you! smile.gif
Carol
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Yes indeedy!
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So glad to see that you're still here smile.gif

And you're now a full-blown resident laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Do tell, though, have you ever been to Jamaica? Do you know anyone who has? I'd really like to hear some personal stories about the island.
Carol
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Hi Carol,

Good to see you!  smile.gif
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GT

HEELLLOOOOO ~~~~

How about you? Have any personal info on Jamaica?

I just sent away for my passport two days ago. Sure hope I get it in time. They wanted $60 more plus <double> special postage to expidite the passort...so I passed. It cost me $112 dollars as it was.

You don't need a passport to go to Jamaica (at least, not until Jan. 1 '06), but I wanted to get one anyway because I go to Canada quite a bit and I'll need one for that after Jan. 1.
gtessex
QUOTE(Carol A @ Sep 23 2005, 06:48 PM)
GT

HEELLLOOOOO ~~~~

How about you?  Have any personal info on Jamaica?

I just sent away for my passport two days ago.  Sure hope I get it in time.  They wanted $60 more plus <double> special postage to expidite the passort...so I passed.  It cost me $112 dollars as it was.

You don't need a passport to go to Jamaica (at least, not until Jan. 1 '06), but I wanted to get one anyway because I go to Canada quite a bit and I'll need one  for that after Jan. 1.
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Carol,

Never been to Jamaica, and really don't know much about the place. I've known people that have gone there, they have enjoyed it, but beware of what areas that you go too. (that's the same everywheres!)

Been to Nassau in the Bahamas, wouldn't recommend that place to anyone...unless they plan to stay on Paradise Island. The rest of the place is a 'dump'!

I heard about the need for a passport to get into Canada, but didn't know if it was true! Over course, I live but 35 miles from the Canadian border and go to Montreal a couple times a year. If that requirement goes into effect on Jan1, 06, I'll have to remember that! Both my wife and I have had passports for years.

I'll try to find out some info on Jamaica!
Carol
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Carol,

Never been to Jamaica, and really don't know much about the place. I've known people that have gone there, they have enjoyed it, but beware of what areas that you go too. (that's the same everywheres!)

Been to Nassau in the Bahamas, wouldn't recommend that place to anyone...unless they plan to stay on Paradise Island. The rest of the place is a 'dump'!

I heard about the need for a passport to get into Canada, but didn't know if it was true! Over course, I live but 35 miles from the Canadian border and go to Montreal a couple times a year. If that requirement goes into effect on Jan1, 06, I'll have to remember that! Both my wife and I have had passports for years.

I'll try to find out some info on Jamaica!
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Thanks, GT. I would appreciate any inside info you can find.

My sister-in-law goes to Negril, Jamaica every February and she advised me to book there, but, from what I saw in researching, I think Ocho Rios would be better for a 4 day stay. It's closer to the sights I want to see. She likes to just lie on the beach and read a book all day. She's a nurse and when she goes on vacation she doesn't want to do anything but soak up the sun. I am not one to laze around on a vacation. I want to be doing something from sun up to sun down...and then some.

This is my first trip outside the United States and it will be my last. At first, I had chosen a cruise to Freeport and Nassau, then the more I researched, the less appealing a cruise sounded to me. I was turned off by Paradise Island because there wasn't enough to do there and it looked to be "overdeveloped"—not enough "natural tropical." My sister has been to the Nassau area and said it's more city life than country, so I wasn't looking for that. I then turned my sights to the Westin Lucaya on Grand Bahama Island. I had just about made up my mind to book there, when I read that it's not all that warm there in December. The flight to Montego Bay, Jamaica isn't much longer than one to Freeport and I think I'll see more interesting sights in Jamaica. I've been reading the Tripadvisor board and have received lots of helpful info about going through customs, what to expect in regard to culture differences, advice on what hotel to book, tour prices, etc.

Did you take a vacation this summer? I went to the United States Air Force Museum in Dayton, Ohio for a day.

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/index.htm

I flew down there in a C-47 (Yankee Doddle Dandy).

http://www.yankeeairmuseum.org/YAFFly.html#C-47

It was awesome!!!! I loved it and would go again in a heartbeat. I went with a group that included my brother, my brother-in-law and his brother. My brother-in-law and his brother both know how to fly and they let them sit in the co-pilot's seat. My brother-in-law had this thingy (some kind of GPS) that would show how fast the plane was traveling and our flight path.

The museum is fab and there wasn't enough time to see it all. I'll have to get my son to go down there with me next time. There is so much history there that I can't begin to describe the feeling you get as you become absorbed in the past to the present. I hope some day you can experience it.

Other than that, I just went to the Bavarian Inn again in Frankenmuth. This time I took my nephew and we had a blast. There's a lot to do and see, but I wouldn't want to stay more than a couple of days.
Arturo_Vandelay
We have a decent Air and Space museum here. Better yet last time they had an air show you could buy a ride on a B-17 for $300. Couldn't really afford it, but I might take them up on it someday. Might be worth tapping savings for a once in a lifetime experience.
Carol
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Sep 24 2005, 10:46 AM)
We have a decent Air and Space museum here. Better yet last time they had an air show you could buy a ride on a B-17 for $300. Couldn't really afford it, but I might take them up on it someday. Might be worth tapping savings for a once in a lifetime experience.
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It's worth it, if you like that kind of thing.

My brother belongs to the Yankee Air Force (so do I) and he goes over there on the weekend to help out. Today he came over with this big, silly grin on his face and said "Guess what, I got a free ride on the B-24 today!!!" They had some empty seats and he was in the right place at the right time, so he got a free $400 airplane ride. He deserves it—he does a lot of hard work for them.
Arturo_Vandelay
Too cool. The Russians are cash strapped and were selling jet rides. I think you could even fly if you could afford it.
Russ Logan
Now that is a once-in-a great-while experience.

For reasons I could never begin to explain the one bomber of WWII of which the most were made by far (and it far outperformed the vaunted B-17 in every category) was the B-24. Yet today there is only one single flying example in the entire of the US!
Arturo_Vandelay
Maybe because it's four times the work of a fighter to keep one flying, and fighters are more exciting. I was taxiing out over at the Tucson Intl in my little Cessna-150 and there was a P-51 parked right next door. Would have been fun to see it fly. They're bigger up close. A lot of engine.
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Thanks, GT.  I would appreciate any inside info you can find.


Carol,

Here is a link to Epinions that gives you an idea of what others think of the place.
http://www.epinions.com/trvl-Dest-Caribbea...isplay_~reviews

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This is my first trip outside the United States and it will be my last.  At first, I had chosen a cruise to Freeport and Nassau, then the more I researched, the less appealing a cruise sounded to me.  I was turned off by Paradise Island because there wasn't enough to do there and it looked to be "overdeveloped"—not enough "natural tropical."


I don't know anything about Freeport other than it may be similiar to Nassau. I couldn't recommend Nassau to anyone.....I think the place is a dump! Was there in the early 80's and stopped there on a cruise stop five years ago. Better places to go on vacation than Nassau.

The only places I care to go to outside of the US is Australia and New Zealand. New Zealand to those who have visited there is one of most spectacular places on earth if you're into 'scenery'.

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Did you take a vacation this summer?  I went to the United States Air Force Museum in Dayton, Ohio for a day.


The wife and I took a trip through North Carolina to see if it's a state we would retire too. I liked it better than my wife did. We went there when it was....HOT!
Not sure if either of us likes high humitity. We want to someday check out Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, Southern Idaho.

Need to retire to an area where the cost of living is considerably less, the weather milder and of course the political atmosphere more right of center instead of 'loony left'. rolleyes.gif smile.gif biggrin.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif



Carol
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Now that is a once-in-a great-while experience.

For reasons I could never begin to explain the one bomber of WWII of which the most were made by far (and it far outperformed the vaunted B-17 in every category) was the B-24.  Yet today there is only one single flying example in the entire of the US!
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In the U.S. Air Force Museum (Dayton, OH.), I grabbed a few moments to read some articles about the B-24. At the end of the war, they scrapped tons of them. It's a shame they didn't realize what they were destroying sad.gif

My brother told me that the YAF found a B-24 that was built at Willow Run, but it would cost them well over a million dollars to obtain...so, they can't afford that right now. It's their dream to have one of these. They know there's B-24's out there somewhere (probably shot down in another country), for as you say there were many made.

http://www.acepilots.com/planes/b24.html

We talked to one of the proprietors at the U.S. Air Force Museum in Dayton (he was so interesting!!! and told us many stories about the planes there) and he's going to keep his ears open and let us know if he finds any leads to one.

You would have enjoyed the air show we just had. Unfortunately, I missed it, but my brother gave me a CD of the pictures he took. A quarter of a million people attended to see the air show which involved many original WWII planes that flew in from all over the country. What he couldn't stop talking about was the conversations he had with a guy who was a Tuskegee Airman.

http://www.elite.net/castle-air/indoor_museum.htm

The stories he told were amazing! If possible, you should try to get here next year. You'd really enjoy it.

Last year, there was a devastating fire at the YAF Museum, Willow Run. We lost some buildings that housed irreplacable items, including planes, parts and other relics from the past. It was a huge blow to the museum...but we're struggling to salvage and rebuild a bigger and better museum.
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The yankees have an air force? I'd only heard of a confederate air force, and that was a ways back. It's great to see people keep those older machines flying. I have a couple old collectors motorcycles and they are a great joy to me. I can only imagine how cool it would be to fly in a real WWII veteran.

Have fun in Jamaica. I love the Islands. ('ceptin Cuba of course)
Carol
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Carol,Sep 24 2005, 09:46 AM]
Carol,

Here is a link to Epinions that gives you an idea of what others think of the place.
http://www.epinions.com/trvl-Dest-Caribbea...isplay_~reviews
I don't know anything about Freeport other than it may be similiar to Nassau. I couldn't recommend Nassau to anyone.....I think the place is a dump! Was there in the early 80's and stopped there on a cruise stop five years ago. Better places to go on vacation than Nassau.

The only places I care to go to outside of the US is Australia and New Zealand. New Zealand to those who have visited there is one of most spectacular places on earth if you're into 'scenery'.
The wife and I took a trip through North Carolina to see if it's a state we would retire too. I liked it better than my wife did. We went there when it was....HOT!
Not sure if either of us likes high humitity. We want to someday check out Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, Southern Idaho.

Need to retire to an area where the cost of living is considerably less, the weather milder and of course the political atmosphere more right of center instead of 'loony left'.  rolleyes.gif  smile.gif  biggrin.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Thanks for the link smile.gif

I skimmed it and will read it carefully later.

I don't have any intention of going to Kingston or the Cockpit area, so I'm not concerned about the high crime in those places.

My sister and her husband have been to Australia. They loved it (watch out for the Wombats—hit one and it can overturn your car). One of their favorite places is Norway. My brother-in-law was sent there by a company he use to work for and he couldn't say enough good things about the country. They're planning to take a cruise there next year.

My sister/her husband, and her sister-in-law/her husband have condos in Litchfield, South Carolina. I've been to my sister's condo twice and have every intention of returning. The area is gorgeous!!! Down the way is Myrtle Beach and some other beach areas which are teeming with interesting sights, shops and fishing/bathing areas. And the FOOD!!! Ahhhhh...I pig out on the seafood! Can't get that here. If you're ever there, go see Brookgreen Gardens. Fabulous place filled with breathtaking sculptures...also some alligators, so watch out!

http://www.elite.net/castle-air/indoor_museum.htm

As far as living there, my sister's sister-in-law cannot wait to move there permanently. She has bone cancer (they are keeping it under control with chemo) and the care she has received there is far superior to the care she has received in Ann Arbor...so rest assured, the hospitals and doctors are of the best, according to her and she's had plenty of experience with them.

The summer heat is something you'd have to deal with. It can get intense. And you wouldn't want to live next to the water...expensive and prone to damage from a storm. They live across the highway, in a beautiful area and have access to a couple of beaches. Also, Litchfield is a quiet area with lovely shops. The hubbub is down the way (Myrtle Beach) and out of earshot.

Of course, my sister and I prefer Michigan. It has it all. Changing seasons and if your want country atmosphere (rolling hills, lovely woods and parks) Irish Hills is a reasonably priced place to live: low taxes and COL. Next to that (and closer to cities) is Clinton—a charming antiquey kind of town. Homes are a bit more pricey here, but you can shop around and get something reasonable. Personally, I like where my sister lives, in Saline, but I can't afford it.

It kind of sounds like you'd like to move west. Can't blame you...but, if I were you, I'd go stay there a month or two and try it out before you move permanently. So many retirees I know moved to Florida or out west and came back. The change proved to be not what they were happy with.
Carol
QUOTE(SpeedRacerXxtreme @ Sep 26 2005, 10:46 AM)
The yankees have an air force? I'd only heard of a confederate air force, and that was a ways back. It's great to see people keep those older machines flying. I have a couple old collectors motorcycles and they are a great joy to me. I can only imagine how cool it would be to fly in a real WWII veteran.

Have fun in Jamaica. I love the Islands. ('ceptin Cuba of course)
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HO! Ho! Talk about collector motorcycles!!! If my uncle was alive, he'd enjoy talking with you. He belonged to a Harley motorcyle club. My aunt had quite a few Harley items that she just sold for a good sum. The motorcyles are gone now, but they had some beauts in that club (we have loads of pics). I never got to ride on his, but my sister did. LOL!!! She didn't know how to stop it and she just kept going up and down the road yelling at my uncle to tell her how to stop the thing. laugh.gif laugh.gif

I well undersand why you love your motorcyles.
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My uncle had the joy of being the first one across the Mackinaw Bridge when it opened. He and my aunt rode their Harley and it was a moment they never forgot.

One of my uncle's friends (a member of their club) just died, and he had a huge funeral with a motorcycle procession. There were so many motorcyle enthusiasts there. He would have liked that.

Hope you take the chance to ride in one of those old planes. It's a thrill. When we landed in Ohio, people just couldn't stop looking at the plane. It wa a 1944 C-47 and probably not as impressive as a B-24 but it's a favorite of those who fly it.
We had 3 pilots onboard and they can't get enough of it.
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