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GoBigrGoHome
Myself, I appreciate a woman with nice full lips, a white smile and legs ALL THE WAY UP TO THERE!
davis¹³
There's a non-political side? laugh.gif laugh.gif
davis¹³
Artie!! Delete this thread!! tongue.gif
davis¹³
How was I to know? READ?
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Jun 14 2005, 08:43 AM)
Artie!! Delete this thread!! tongue.gif
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AW it was just getting good. It's probably good to resurrect ideas now and then. Maybe move these posts to the other thread. If it's possible.
davis¹³
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jun 14 2005, 10:48 AM)
AW it was just getting good. It's probably good to resurrect ideas now and then. Maybe move these posts to the other thread. If it's possible.
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I don't care. To tell the truth, I usually don't even go to the other side. It's all I can do to keep up with the 7 or 8 threads we have going. I could do it. A couple of other type threads in the political soapbox part doesn't matter to me. Your call.



Arturo_Vandelay
Voila! the main posts all here now. Will delete this soon.


http://spannerbackup.ipbhost.com/index.php...320&#entry92578


arebuntz
High Speed Wireless

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Cellphones capable of transmitting data at blistering speeds have been demonstrated by NTT DoCoMo in Japan.

In experiments, prototype phones were used to view 32 high definition video streams, while travelling in an automobile at 20 kilometres per hour. Officials from NTT DoCoMo say the phones could receive data at 100 megabits per second on the move and at up to a gigabit per second while static. At this rate, an entire DVD could be downloaded within a minute. DoCoMo's current 3G (third generation) phone network offers download speeds of 384 kilobits per second and upload speeds of 129 kilobits per second.
arebuntz
Make More Oil

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Since 1981, Shell researchers at the company's division of "unconventional resources" have been spending their own money trying to figure out how to get usable energy out of oil shale. Judging by the presentation the Rocky Mountain News heard this week, they think they've got it.

Shell's method, which it calls "in situ conversion," is simplicity itself in concept but exquisitely ingenious in execution. Terry O'Connor, a vice president for external and regulatory affairs at Shell Exploration and Production, explained how it's done (and they have done it, in several test projects):

Drill shafts into the oil-bearing rock. Drop heaters down the shaft. Cook the rock until the hydrocarbons boil off, the lightest and most desirable first. Collect them.

Please note, you don't have to go looking for oil fields when you're brewing your own.
arebuntz
Ink Cartridge Refill

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What’s that, you ask? Evidently, it’s when you ignore the terms written on the side of Lexmark printer cartridge box, refilling the cartridge with ink even when the company has designated it “single use only.” According to the Ninth Circuit ruling [PDF] this week in ACRA v. Lexmark, opening the package means you agree to Lexmark’s wishes. And if you break that agreement, you could face claims under contract and patent law.
Arturo_Vandelay
Sounds like a good opportunity for somebody else to take some Lexmark business. Printers are the bane of my computer use, especially cartridges. I've had decent luck refilling black, but color seems to alway be a problem.

I think the whole thing is mostly a planned obsolescence scam.
Arturo_Vandelay
On further inspection. Down the page.


http://www.corante.com/copyfight/archives/...nfringement.php


the summation corante.com provided of the ruling is terrible, and contradictory to the actual ruling. what these people did was steal money from lexmark. the fact that they're sketchy (and make possibly the worst printers in the world) doesn't enter into the equation- they offered people rebates if they sent the ink cartridges back. the people took the money, and didn't send the cartridges back.

in this case, lexmark is the good guy. taking $30 off the cost of the cartridge brings the price down to a reasonable range, and the're producing less waste by recycling the cartridges. all this crap about patent infringment was posted to get people's attention because the underlying story (people steal from company, company sues) is *far* from compelling.

nobody listens to the left because they make a fuss over the silliest little things, and lack the gumption or wits to affect serious change any more.
arebuntz
Doing a little online reading today.

Hydrogen generator via electrolysis available today about 50kwh/kg H2.

Hydrogen fuel cell available today about 33Kwh/kg H2.

Electric vehicle available today about 5mi/kwh.

Estimated the 35kwh is about equal to 1 gallon gasoline.

Electric vehicle roughly gets 175mi/equivalent gallon.

Fuel cell powered electric car would get roughly 165mi/kg H2.

15,000mi/yr is about 40 miles per day requiring about 0.4kg H2.

0.4kg H2 production requires 20kwh.

10 hours of sun, 2kw photovoltaic 10ft X 20ft panel.

Well then there is the $100K or so for all this stuff.

arebuntz
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Sep 5 2005, 02:33 PM)
On further inspection. Down the page.
http://www.corante.com/copyfight/archives/...nfringement.php
the summation corante.com provided of the ruling is terrible, and contradictory to the actual ruling. what these people did was steal money from lexmark. the fact that they're sketchy (and make possibly the worst printers in the world) doesn't enter into the equation- they offered people rebates if they sent the ink cartridges back. the people took the money, and didn't send the cartridges back.

in this case, lexmark is the good guy. taking $30 off the cost of the cartridge brings the price down to a reasonable range, and the're producing less waste by recycling the cartridges. all this crap about patent infringment was posted to get people's attention because the underlying story (people steal from company, company sues) is *far* from compelling.

nobody listens to the left because they make a fuss over the silliest little things, and lack the gumption or wits to affect serious change any more.
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So they were leasing the tanks then with rules for use as a part of the lease.

I have had good luck last few years with Canon inkjet printers. Tank seperate from print head keeps tank cost down. Just plastic, sponge, ink. Decent size tank and generic for less than $10.
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(arebuntz @ Sep 5 2005, 12:36 PM)
So they were leasing the tanks then with rules for use as a part of the lease.

I have had good luck last few years with Canon inkjet printers. Tank seperate from print head keeps tank cost down. Just plastic, sponge, ink. Decent size tank and generic for less than $10.
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I don't print much. Just get a cheapo and run it dry on BW, then refill. I haven't even opened my last color cart yet. I share a printer with a friend for color and use a jump drive.

Actually a pin printer would probably do me.
davis¹³
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Sep 5 2005, 02:41 PM)
I don't print much. Just get a cheapo and run it dry on BW, then refill. I haven't even opened my last color cart yet. I share a printer with a friend for color and use a jump drive.

Actually a pin printer would probably do me.
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My sister got a new pc and the printer/scanner/fax/copier didn't mesh well with something that caused delays in printing. She got a new one, gave me the other (she had just replaced the cartriges) now I have one printer for my art and photo purposes for color and one for copying and text. The scanner on the 4 in 1 is nigh on worthless but I already had one.

I had just paid $50 to replace the damned cartriges in my HP.


It is a scam. Still, it's pretty cool to have a home printing studio. laugh.gif laugh.gif I love my tech.
arebuntz
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Sep 5 2005, 04:25 PM)
My sister got a new pc and the printer/scanner/fax/copier didn't mesh well with something that caused delays in printing. She got a new one, gave me the other (she had just replaced the cartriges) now I have one printer for my art and photo purposes for color and one for copying and text. The scanner on the 4 in 1 is nigh on worthless but I already had one.

I had just paid $50 to replace the damned cartriges in my HP.
It is a scam.  Still, it's pretty cool to have a home printing studio.  laugh.gif  laugh.gif I love my tech.
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I started ut with HP 500 and the cartridge costs were high. They should give the printers away so everone will be buying their cartridges. Canon seems to have a better design with seperate print head and ink tanks. It is nice to have a color printer from time to time. Beats the old ribbon ink cartridge dot matrix tractor feed Epson. Of course with 1200 baud modem and Amiga 1000 on analog TV it was about par for the course.
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Sep 5 2005, 01:25 PM)
My sister got a new pc and the printer/scanner/fax/copier didn't mesh well with something that caused delays in printing. She got a new one, gave me the other (she had just replaced the cartriges) now I have one printer for my art and photo purposes for color and one for copying and text. The scanner on the 4 in 1 is nigh on worthless but I already had one.

I had just paid $50 to replace the damned cartriges in my HP.
It is a scam.  Still, it's pretty cool to have a home printing studio.  laugh.gif  laugh.gif I love my tech.
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My HP only cost $39. Not exactly top of the line.
arebuntz
QUOTE

The strengths of the AMMINEX A/S hydrogen storage technology are numerous:

· Experimentally proven concept at the 100g - 1kg scale

· High density

· Reversible

· Fast kinetics

· Simple and safe to handle in open atmosphere

· Inexpensive raw materials

· Potentially a CO2-free hydrogen system – unlike e.g. methanol or other carbon-based
  hydrogen carriers.


Hydrogen Storage Advance
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(arebuntz @ Sep 8 2005, 08:53 AM)
Hydrogen Storage Advance
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Sounds exciting.

SpaceCowboy
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* EXCLUSIVE! * A DIEBOLD INSIDER SPEAKS!
DIEB-THROAT : 'Diebold System One of Greatest Threats Democracy Has Ever Known'

Identifies U.S. Homeland Security 'Cyber Alert' Prior to '04 Election Warning Votes Can be 'Modified Remotely' via 'Undocumented Backdoor' in Central Tabulator Software!

In exclusive stunning admissions to The BRAD BLOG some 11 months after the 2004 Presidential Election, a "Diebold Insider" is now finally speaking out for the first time about the...

In exclusive stunning admissions to The BRAD BLOG some 11 months after the 2004 Presidential Election, a "Diebold Insider" is now finally speaking out for the first time about the alarming security flaws within Diebold, Inc's electronic voting systems, software and machinery. The source is acknowledging that the company's "upper management" -- as well as "top government officials" -- were keenly aware of the "undocumented backdoor" in Diebold's main "GEM Central Tabulator" software well prior to the 2004 election. A branch of the Federal Government even posted a security warning on the Internet.

Pointing to a little-noticed "Cyber Security Alert" issued by the United States Computer Emergency Readiness Team (US-CERT), a division of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, the source inside Diebold -- who "for the time being" is requesting anonymity due to a continuing sensitive relationship with the company -- is charging that Diebold's technicians, including at least one of its lead programmers, knew about the security flaw and that the company instructed them to keep quiet about it.

"Diebold threatened violators with immediate dismissal," the insider, who we'll call DIEB-THROAT, explained recently to The BRAD BLOG via email. "In 2005, after one newly hired member of Diebold's technical staff pointed out the security flaw, he was criticized and isolated."

In phone interviews, DIEB-THROAT confirmed that the matters were well known within the company, but that a "culture of fear" had been developed to assure that employees, including technicians, vendors and programmers kept those issues to themselves.

The "Cyber Security Alert" from US-CERT was issued in late August of 2004 and is still available online via the US-CERT website. The alert warns that "A vulnerability exists due to an undocumented backdoor account, which could [sic: allow] a local or remote authenticated malicious user [sic: to] modify votes."

The alert, assessed to be of "MEDIUM" risk on the US-CERT security bulletin, goes on to add that there is "No workaround or patch available at time of publishing."

http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001838.htm


Here is the info on the backdoor from the DHS site: ( There are many security faults listed on that particular page, use the find function to search for the word "votes".)

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Diebold

GEMS Central Tabulator 1.17.7, 1.18

A vulnerability exists due to an undocumented backdoor account, which could a local or remote authenticated malicious user modify votes.

No workaround or patch available at time of publishing.

We are not aware of any exploits for this vulnerability.

GEMS Central Tabulator Vote Database Vote Modification

Reported by:BlackBoxVoting.org, August 31, 2004


http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/bulletins/SB04-252.html#diebold

davis¹³
Our democracy has been destroyed by zealous Republican radicals.

Our constitution is virtually meaningless. Sure, we have conceal and carry laws but WHAT ABOUT THE REST? Conservatives have compromised the other parts of the constitution so they can carry. It's mind boggling, the way they used to drone on about Janet Reno being a power hungry zealot. Now, we have the biggest intrusion of the federal government in our lifetimes and they don't speak up. As a matter of fact they are wholeheartedly endorsing it. It's weird.

It's the lure of power and the cult of personality.
beasty
It's a good things you Democrats want to stick to good old low tech voter fraud. Buying votes, registering illegals, letting people vote multiple times, letting block captains vote for people who have moved, letting felons vote illegally.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/.../062903725.html

ury Convicts Five in Federal Vote Fraud

ASSOCIATED PRESS

EAST ST. LOUIS, Ill. (AP) - A federal jury Wednesday convicted the chairman of the city's Democratic Party and four others of scheming to buy votes with cash, cigarettes and liquor last November.

Prosecutors relied largely on secretly recorded audiotapes in which they say the accused could be heard talking about paying $5 per vote to get key Democrats elected.

Charles Powell Jr., 61, the city's Democratic Party chairman, was found guilty along with the city's former director of regulatory affairs and three others.
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(beasty @ Sep 19 2005, 11:02 PM)
It's a good things you Democrats want to stick to good old low tech voter fraud. Buying votes, registering illegals, letting people vote multiple times, letting block captains vote for people who have moved, letting felons vote illegally.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/.../062903725.html

ury Convicts Five in Federal Vote Fraud

ASSOCIATED PRESS

EAST ST. LOUIS, Ill. (AP) - A federal jury Wednesday convicted the chairman of the city's Democratic Party and four others of scheming to buy votes with cash, cigarettes and liquor last November.

Prosecutors relied largely on secretly recorded audiotapes in which they say the accused could be heard talking about paying $5 per vote to get key Democrats elected.

Charles Powell Jr., 61, the city's Democratic Party chairman, was found guilty along with the city's former director of regulatory affairs and three others.
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Yes, let's keep it retail, rather than wholesale.

Retail vote fraud is out in the open to be seen, at least.
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Sep 19 2005, 09:12 PM)
Yes, let's keep it retail, rather than wholesale.

Retail vote fraud is out in the open to be seen, at least.
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Looks like advice from the retailer.

How about no fraud?
Mizilus
so democrats are vote cheaters but didnt win the election.


Hmmmmm...
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(Mizilus @ Sep 19 2005, 09:17 PM)
so democrats are vote cheaters but didnt win the election.
Hmmmmm...
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Pretty sad isn't it?
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Sep 19 2005, 11:15 PM)
Looks like advice from the retailer.

How about no fraud?
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That would be best.

I'll leave implementation to you.
Mizilus
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Sep 19 2005, 08:19 PM)
Pretty sad isn't it?
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more like bullshit.
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Sep 19 2005, 09:20 PM)
That would be best.

I'll leave implementation to you.
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Non-partisan elections so nobody knows how a voter might vote and parties have to worry about the candidates instead of the voters.
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(Mizilus @ Sep 19 2005, 09:21 PM)
more like bullshit.
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Like your posts.
Nomarchy
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Sep 19 2005, 08:19 PM)
Pretty sad isn't it?
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Not really. It belies the claim. This sort of bullshit wouldn't fly in civil law, even. If you're going to accuse the other side of cheating, you'd have to demonstrate damages. As the Repubs have been winning, it sesms that Miz's evaluation of the claim is apt.
Nomarchy
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Sep 19 2005, 08:32 PM)
Like your posts.
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How does that have any bearing on whether the claims that Democrats have been cheating to the effect of stealing elections are 'more like bullshit'?
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Sep 19 2005, 10:40 PM)
Not really. It belies the claim. This sort of bullshit wouldn't fly in civil law, even. If you're going to accuse the other side of cheating, you'd have to demonstrate damages. As the Repubs have been winning, it sesms that Miz's evaluation of the claim is apt.
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I suppose whenever your team loses that means the winners cheated. Of course we know that ain't true.

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How does that have any bearing on whether the claim that Democrats have been cheating to the effect of stealing elections are 'more like bullshit'?


It has as much or more bearing than any of mizilus' Repuslican, reich rants.

Nomarchy
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Sep 19 2005, 10:01 PM)
I suppose whenever your team loses that means the winners cheated. Of course we know that ain't true.
It has as much or more bearing than any of mizilus' Repuslican, reich  rants.
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Fair enough. On the other hand, it's a bit much to accuse the losers of having cheated, isn't it?
Arturo_Vandelay
When the losers start it, they get what they deserve. I note that whenever it comes to FIXING problems people get very selective as to which one to fix.
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Sep 20 2005, 01:06 AM)
Fair enough. On the other hand, it's a bit much to accuse the losers of having cheated, isn't it?
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No it's not. Their methods of cheating used to work. Apparently they don't work so well lately. Perhaps they need to update.
Bee
Cheaters never prosper?

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F.E.C. Sues Republican Group Over Political Contributions

By GLEN JUSTICE
Published: September 20, 2005
WASHINGTON, Sept. 19 - The Federal Election Commission filed suit Monday against the Club for Growth, a well-funded Republican group, in an effort to force the organization to comply with limits on political contributions.

The suit is the first major enforcement case to involve a "527 committee," the independent political organizations that both Republicans and Democrats used to raise and spend hundreds of millions of dollars in the 2004 races. Commission officials describe it as a test case that could have a major impact on how future elections are financed.

"This is one of the most important suits the commission has brought in the last decade," said Michael Toner, the commission's Republican vice chairman.

Last year's election was the first conducted under the McCain-Feingold law of 2002, which banned political parties from accepting unlimited contributions known as soft money. However, donors continued to direct six- and seven-figure checks to 527 committees, which argued that they could still legally accept unlimited soft money contributions.

After months of legal wrangling last year, the commission declined to adopt new regulations that would specifically require 527 groups to register with the F.E.C. and submit to contribution limits and other regulations. Donors are allowed to give $5,000 to a political action committee each year.

The commission was left with a list of complaints against specific groups, which are now being investigated. The case against the Club for Growth is the first in line.

The Club for Growth, which has more than 30,000 members, advocates conservative economic policies and for years has backed candidates who share those views.

The group runs a political action committee, which raised roughly $1.9 million and forwarded another $7.5 million directly to candidates last year, all operating within federal contribution limits, said David Keating, the group's executive director.

The club also operates a 527 committee, which raised about $8.5 million, Mr. Keating said. It was this organization that was the subject of the F.E.C. suit, which was filed in United States District Court here.

The suit alleges that the organization failed to properly register with the commission as a political committee, which would subject the group to contribution limits and other regulations, and that it raised millions in excessive contributions in recent years. Officials at the club said they had done nothing improper.

The case stems from a complaint filed against the group by the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee in connection with a television advertisement broadcast last year. The commission voted to file the suit Monday after talks between the two parties failed to reach an out-of-court agreement, according to the F.E.C.

The commission is seeking an unspecified fine and a court ruling directing the Club for Growth to submit to F.E.C. regulation. If the commission wins, it could have broad implications for other groups that are similarly structured.

Pat Toomey, a former lawmaker and the president of Club for Growth, called the commission's suit a "war on the First Amendment" that will help protect incumbent politicians.

"The F.E.C.'s claims and legal theories are a bizarre interpretation of the club's mission, the Constitution, the laws adopted by Congress and their own regulations," Mr. Toomey said in a statement.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/20/politics/20fec.html
Bee
The way they cheat in Texas

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3 DeLay Workers Indicted in Texas
Aides Charged in Fundraising Probe
By Sylvia Moreno
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, September 22, 2004; Page A01


AUSTIN, Sept. 21 -- Three top political aides to House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) were indicted Tuesday on charges of illegally raising political funds from corporations in 2002, much of which was funneled into the Republican takeover of the Texas legislature.

Corporate contributions to state legislative candidates are illegal in Texas. A Travis County grand jury indicted DeLay political aide Jim Ellis, fundraiser Warren RoBold and John Colyandro, the executive director of DeLay's political action committee, Texans for a Republican Majority, known as TRMPAC. Eight corporations also were indicted for illegal political contributions.

The grand jury never questioned DeLay or sought records from him. But the panel's actions could rattle his supporters and embolden his critics because the three men indicted include some of his closest and most loyal allies. Moreover, the targeted fundraising activities were at the heart of one of DeLay's most cherished, high-profile endeavors of the past several years: giving Republicans control of the Texas legislature so the state's 32 U.S. House districts could be redrawn in a way likely to send more Republicans to Congress.

That is what the legislature did last year, and DeLay has often cited the redistricting effort as a key reason he expects the Nov. 2 election to expand the GOP House majority.

Ellis, 47, of Arlington, Va., and Colyandro, 40, of Austin, were indicted on one count each of money laundering -- specifically taking $190,000 in corporate money raised by TRMPAC and giving it to the Republican National Committee, which, in turn, had the Republican National State Elections Committee contribute to seven Texas House candidates. In all, about 20 Republican candidates were helped by TRMPAC activities to win Texas House seats.

Colyandro was indicted on 13 counts of unlawfully accepting $425,000 in corporate political contributions. RoBold, 48, of Middletown was indicted on nine counts of unlawfully soliciting and accepting $250,000 in corporate political contributions.

The indictments follow a 21-month investigation by three different grand juries into the activities of TRMPAC. The result of that inquiry, said Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle, was an "outline of an effort to use corporate contributions to control representative democracy in Texas."

Since 1905, Texas law has prohibited the giving or receiving of political contributions from corporations and labor unions to candidates.

At a news conference, Earle, a Democrat, said that although the three-month term of the latest grand jury expires Sept. 30, the investigation has not ended. "This is a continuing investigation into allegations of criminal activity related to the 2002 Texas elections," he said.

Those elections resulted in the Republican takeover of the Texas House for the first time since Reconstruction. With the legislature dominated by the GOP, Republican Tom Craddick of Midland was elected Texas House speaker last year and the Texas congressional districts were then redrawn to send more Republican lawmakers to Congress, strengthening DeLay's base as majority leader. The Washington Post has previously reported that Craddick's role in disbursing money to candidates from TRMPAC was being scrutinized by the grand jury, but he has not been charged and he was not named in Tuesday's indictment.

DeLay was not named as a target of the grand jury's investigation, but documents disclosed in the inquiry indicate that DeLay was central to creating and overseeing the political fundraising in Texas. When asked whether the continuing probe could lead to allegations of wrongdoing against DeLay, Earle said: "My response has been consistent, in that anyone who has committed a crime is a target."

In Washington, DeLay said the legal case in Texas would not affect him.

"This has been an investigation that has been underway for nearly two years, and 40 days before the election, suddenly they've taken action," DeLay said in a statement issued by his office. "You do the political math."

"I'll reiterate what I've said before and today's action emphasizes: I have not been subpoenaed; I have not been asked to testify; and I have not been called as a witness. They've made clear this investigation is not about me."

The indictments came less than 24 hours after the House ethics committee postponed a decision on a complaint against DeLay that includes allegations involving TRMPAC. The complaint, filed by Chris Bell, a Democratic lawmaker from Houston, alleges that DeLay was involved in the PAC's actions and decisions to the point that he is no less culpable than Ellis, Colyandro or RoBold.

The ethics committee, evenly divided between Republicans and Democrats, typically takes a wait-and-see posture when grand juries or law enforcement agencies pursue issues. That DeLay was not indicted, his supporters said, supports the argument that he has done nothing wrong. Public interest groups, however, called on the ethics panel to appoint an outside investigator. Some House Democrats say privately they would be surprised if the ethics committee took strong action against DeLay if a grand jury stops short of implicating him.

In Texas, an attorney for Colyandro also called the release of the indictment politically motivated and said that Colyandro sought advice from lawyers specializing in campaign finance law on how to raise and spend money from corporations. "So, clearly, he did not knowingly violate the law," Joe Turner said.

J.D. Pauerstein of San Antonio, an attorney for Ellis, said, "We are disappointed that the grand jury decided to find against Mr. Ellis on one count, and we are confident he will be exonerated."

RoBold's attorney in Austin, Wayne Meissner, did not return a phone call.

The businesses indicted were Sears, Roebuck and Co. of Illinois; Bacardi USA Inc. of Miami, a subsidiary of the Bermuda-based liquor producer; Cracker Barrel Old Country Store, a subsidiary of CBRL Group Inc. in Lebanon, Tenn., that operates restaurants and retail operations in 41 states; Westar Energy Inc., an electric utility company in Topeka, Kan.; Diversified Collection Services Inc., a debt collection company in San Leandro, Calif.; Williams Companies Inc., a natural gas company in Tulsa; the Alliance for Quality Nursing Home Care Corp., an umbrella organization of some of the nation's largest nursing home operators; and Questerra Corp. of Charlottesville, a subsidiary of MeadWestvaco Corp.

They allegedly made illegal corporate political contributions ranging from $20,000 to $100,000.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A39563-2004Sep21
davis¹³
QUOTE(Mizilus @ Sep 19 2005, 11:17 PM)
so democrats are vote cheaters but didnt win the election.
Hmmmmm...
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NS. Lying republican pigs. They'll do anything to win. Cheat, steal, start a war.


Where are those so-called morals and values?
Human Ills
QUOTE(Mizilus @ Sep 19 2005, 08:17 PM)
so democrats are vote cheaters but didnt win the election.
Hmmmmm...
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Just goes to show the extent to which you guys are LOSERS.
Bart Katz
Everybody does it.
Human Ills
....Said the President to the intern.
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Human Ills @ Sep 20 2005, 01:03 PM)
....Said the President to the intern.
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Gladly she said.
Friend Judy
QUOTE(beasty @ Sep 19 2005, 10:02 PM)
It's a good things you Democrats want to stick to good old low tech voter fraud. Buying votes, registering illegals, letting people vote multiple times, letting block captains vote for people who have moved, letting felons vote illegally.


Low tech voter fraud is easier to detect, and requires a whole lot more conspirators.

One of my pet peeves is how little effort is spent on identifying and convicting participants in voting frauds. I'm thinking, specifically, of a precinct supervisor in the LA basin who was found, accidentally, almost a year after the election, to have 3 sealed, filled ballot boxes in the trunk of her car after a minor traffic collision. She ended up pleading guilty to a misdemeanor of "misuse of public property" with a 6-month suspended sentence, but for me, that raised my cynicism through the roof. 3 of 15 ballot boxes from the precinct go unaccounted for, and there's no investigation, no search, no recount, no one held accountable? (And worst of all, the ballots were destroyed uncounted, so no one will ever know who REALLY would have won the school board election, or if the measure on a special assessment district would really have passed.)

But I see no good public purpose achieved in reducing the complexity and detect-ibility of election fraud from something that, to really impact an election, requires dozens or hundreds of conspirators and mountains (or rather, ballot boxes and voter rolls) worth of evidence to a situation that needs only a handful of people and leaves only a few bytes of untraceable compiled code and a few scattered electrons as evidence that fraud has occurred.

At least with paper, you can easily say "The roll shows 2,553 people voted in this precinct, but 3,052 ballots were submitted for counting. I suspect there may be some fraud here!"
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Sep 20 2005, 05:59 PM)
Low tech voter fraud is easier to detect, and requires a whole lot more conspirators.

One of my pet peeves is how little effort is spent on identifying and convicting participants in voting frauds.  I'm thinking, specifically, of a precinct supervisor in the LA basin who was found, accidentally, almost a year after the election, to have 3 sealed, filled ballot boxes in the trunk of her car after a minor traffic collision.  She ended up pleading guilty to a misdemeanor of "misuse of public property" with a 6-month suspended sentence, but for me, that raised my cynicism through the roof.  3 of 15 ballot boxes from the precinct go unaccounted for, and there's no investigation, no search, no recount, no one held accountable?  (And worst of all, the ballots were destroyed uncounted, so no one will ever know who REALLY would have won the school board election, or if the measure on a special assessment district would really have passed.)

But I see no good public purpose achieved in reducing the complexity and detect-ibility of election fraud from something that, to really impact an election, requires dozens or hundreds of conspirators and mountains (or rather, ballot boxes and voter rolls) worth of evidence to a situation that needs only a handful of people and leaves only a few bytes of untraceable compiled code and a few scattered electrons as evidence that fraud has occurred.

At least with paper, you can easily say "The roll shows 2,553 people voted in this precinct, but 3,052 ballots were submitted for counting.  I suspect there may be some fraud here!"
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That's perzackly right.

Wholesale electronic fraud is worth taking extreme measures to prevent, even as we seek to find and prosecute retail fraud.
Arturo_Vandelay
I heard of another worker getting caught with a ballot box in the car as well.

Neither party wants to go nuclear on the issue because they both know the outcome will damage the two party system, and they just happen to be the two parties.

Since I don't belong to either party full time I could care less what it does to the system. Arrest 'em all and give them LONG sentences, but not according to party, according to wrongdoing.
davis¹³
This is odd. Im at my sisters putting in a window. (Ya, it's raining) Her pc has a different look than mine. The avatars are much larger here.
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Sep 28 2005, 01:21 PM)
This is odd. Im at my sisters putting in a window. (Ya, it's raining) Her pc has a different look than mine. The avatars are much larger here.
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I've noticed a few differences between my comp and my dad's. His plasma screen displays a few things a little differently than my crt.
davis¹³
Our monitors are similar. They are even the same sizes. Must be a tweak or setting in the display properties.

Her eyes aren't the best maybe she has it set different.
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