Light years of difference.
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Hardly. The accusation is that "lefties" are using the casualty reports for political purposes. That's ridiculous. If the postings of casualties make the rightwingnuts squeamish, that's their own problem. (and shame.)

To twist it into somehow being disrespectful is ugly, childish and dishonorable to all Americans. It's the vilest of ad hominem attacks and ought to be flushed, IMO.
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I watched Republicans use 9/11 to take control of the government with visions of mushroom clouds and bio-weapons, where were you?

They used 9/11 to pass every law and bill they've been slobbering over for years.

Do you remember the "freedom tankers"? The sweetheart deal with Boeing that some Republican plastered with that ignorant label so stupid shits in Congress would be afraid to vote against it?

It's the height of hypocrisy. Republicans have milked 9/11 for every political AND financial advantage they could. And it's still happening.
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This is hardly "respectful"
A harsh judgement. So the guy's another righteous rightie. Piling on accusing "lefties" of treason, among other things, because they want desperately to believe that the war is something they can turn on or off like a tv set. Or that "minimal casualties" don't have names and faces. I find THAT tresonable and cowardly.

If they want to ignore the fact that good soldiers are dieing over there, maybe they ought to stick to "safer" subjects, like crocheting. This thread might be too rough for their "delicate" sensibilities.
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I have always been convinced that you don't have a point. You did however say that nobody here opposed Afghanistan, which wasn't true of course and now it appears even you oppose Afghanistan.
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Actually they were the ones complaining.

As for beasty and his insinuations that somehow the "lefties" want to lose this war, that is just wrong and deserved to be called out for the BS it is.
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No no no. Complaining about the ad hominems.

The lefties do want to lose and you won't convince me otherwise. Just once it would br nice if they got behind the effort. Even in WWII they didn't get full behind the US until after Barbarossa.
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And they are backpeddling on their boy Truman's use of two nukes....
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Personally I would have used one on the Kremlin. Would have saved millions of lives.
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I guess at least it's lucky FDR didn't hang on in his pathetic condition any longer. He probably would have given away France and the rest of Germany too.
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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?p...21-8-2005_pg7_5
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Exactly so, ma'am.

This was the war w/a Just cause. Afghanistan was the heart of alQaeda country. Given sufficient effort there was a good chance of destroying alQaeda and bringing democracy and law&order to Afghanistan. Coming up on 4 years after 9/11 and the President of Afghanistan is still just the mayor of Kabul

Instead BushInc went in half-way and then turned to Iraq and invaded w/o Just cause. So now we have 2 half-won wars on our hands. And risk losing both.

The apologists seem to forget the rise of the Taliban and al Qaeda had come about after the US and other Western countries left Afghanistan to the warlords after USSR pulled out. We are leaving it to the warlords again. Really foolish. Just asking for a repeat.

And after all Bushie's tough talk following 9/11, ObL has yet to be vanquished. Turned into Osama Been Forgotten.
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Perhaps 45 years of Soviet rule would have improved the French attitiude.
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No no no. Complaining about the ad hominems.

The lefties do want to lose and you won't convince me otherwise. Just once it would br nice if they got behind the effort. Even in WWII they didn't get full behind the US until after Barbarossa.
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You're the one making accusations. I'd like to hear your basis for casting aspersions on others myself.
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That would be you, as well.
See my post in the Iraq folder. The lefties don't want to lose. We want competent military leadership, and as long as you defend the incompetent leadership, it seems to me that YOU'RE the one that "wants to lose."
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That would be you, as well.
See my post in the Iraq folder. The lefties don't want to lose. We want competent military leadership, and as long as you defend the incompetent leadership, it seems to me that YOU'RE the one that "wants to lose."
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Give me an example of competent leadership in real life and THEN maybe we'll talk. I asked for some on the Iraq board as well. Lefties won't point to a war effort that they consider competent, but they will call this one INcompetent.

What is the benchmark for competency?
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How about a leader that gets armor on the troops before they get there.

Will that do?
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That would be you, as well.
See my post in the Iraq folder. The lefties don't want to lose. We want competent military leadership, and as long as you defend the incompetent leadership, it seems to me that YOU'RE the one that "wants to lose."
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How about a leader that gets armor on the troops before they get there.

Will that do?
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I guess at least it's lucky FDR didn't hang on in his pathetic condition any longer. He probably would have given away France and the rest of Germany too.
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"It's easy to sit in judgement when you have a comfortable chair"
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I think it was a joke.
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I think it was a joke.
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Joke, truth, or a little of both, my point stands. We all judge leaders, but some of it is just politics, while some is fair and honest analysis.
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I notice you don't make the same critique of Bee and hunin.
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In the case of 'lefties'....it's only about politics.

The president recieves 'advise' from not only advisors, cabinet members but also military leaders such the Joint chiefs of Staff. Maybe we should just throw the whole bunch out and replace them with Michael Moore and Jane Fonda. That way Bin Laden and Al Qaeda can move up their 'time frame' for overthrowing Western Civilization and send mankind back to the 'dark ages'.
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Good call, but where do Bee and hu fit in? Noncoms?
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In the case of 'lefties'....it's only about politics.

The president recieves 'advise' from not only advisors, cabinet members but also military leaders such the Joint chiefs of Staff. Maybe we should just throw the whole bunch out and replace them with Michael Moore and Jane Fonda. That way Bin Laden and Al Qaeda can move up their 'time frame' for overthrowing Western Civilization and send mankind back to the 'dark ages'.
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I get lots of special attention around here. Still waiting on the lefty dream team of military and civilian warmongers.
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Taliban came into power after AlQueda knocked off the top leader of the Northern Alliance.
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What does this have to do with the BS claim that "lefties" are full of glee over the casualties in the wars? Nothing. You folks can't defend that atrocious statement so you go after little ol me for pointing out the nastiness and stupidity of such a statement? What a bunch of crap.

The fact is, I think, that you were all wrong andf can't bear to admit it.

Well, too bad. Go play the spin game with each other. I've proven my point and I'm done.
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I think al queda did that shortly before 9/11 because that NA dude was warning that something was up.
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I don't recall that. Who?

The Taliban did execute Najibullah, the Soviet installed Prez of Afganistan as I recall.
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KANDAHAR, AFGHANISTAN -- In the photograph, 12-year-old Mohammed Tahir looks barely conscious. A bloodied rag covers his left hand, where the kidnappers hacked off his finger and sent it, along with the picture, to his family.

"We are not Muslims. We don't know God, so don't ask us for sympathy. Just send us money," the ransom note read.

His family begged and borrowed the 10,000 dollars the kidnappers asked for, but two days after they left the money in an abandoned school in the southern city of Kandahar, his battered body was found nearby.

In another incident blamed on the same gang, 13-year-old Nakibullah's body was unrecognisable when he was found nine days after his family paid kidnappers the same amount for a ransom.

Wild animals had destroyed his face and right arm, and only the missing finger on his left hand showed who he was.

"When we went there and I saw my son, whatever my feelings only I know, my heart knows and my God knows," said the boy's father Haji Bismillah, sitting in a room he has barely left since his son was found dead last month.

The boys were among six children kidnapped since the new year in Kandahar, once the spiritual heartland of the fundamentalist Taliban regime, according to the Afghan Independent Human Rights Commission (AIHRC).

The disappearances have sparked a political firestorm in the deeply conservative city. Many people have begun to feel life was better under the harsh Islamic law of the Taliban, because they could at least guarantee the safety of their children.

On March 7 more than 3,000 people took to the streets of Kandahar demanding the resignation of the governor and the police chief, accusing police of collusion with the kidnappers and demanding a restoration of law and order.

The protest turned violent. Three people were shot and another 15 were injured according to security sources and hospital doctors in the city.

Demonstrators have in part achieved their ends. On March 16, President Hamid Karzai ordered a sweeping shake-up of provincial police leaders and sent Kandahar's police chief Khan Mohammed to the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif.

Karzai is right to be worried. The Taliban came to power in Kandahar after a similar spate of child kidnappings, when the now fugitive leader of the movement intervened to stop a fight between two militia commanders who were battling in the streets over a boy they wanted to sodomise.

According to one of the many urban legends surrounding the regime, the Taliban soldiers freed the boy and were welcomed by residents of the city.

But now people are worried about their children again....

Even the newly appointed police chief, Lieutenant General Mohammed Ayoub Salangi, concedes that there was probably official corruption behind the kidnappings.

"It seems as if local militia or tribal commanders were involved," he told AFP...

Ahmad Shah Massoud.

This basically stopped the Northern Alliance and ensured the Taliban's lock on the country.

Watch the National Geographic series on the events leading up to 9/11.
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What does this have to do with the BS claim that "lefties" are full of glee over the casualties in the wars? Nothing. You folks can't defend that atrocious statement so you go after little ol me for pointing out the nastiness and stupidity of such a statement? What a bunch of crap.

The fact is, I think, that you were all wrong andf can't bear to admit it.

Well, too bad. Go play the spin game with eachother. I've proven my point and I'm done.
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