Just thought I would fire the first friendly salvo this year...
We need more like them.
Full Version: The Christmas Wars
QUOTE (Repub_Bub @ Nov 17 2007, 05:42 PM) 
By all means.
QUOTE (Repub_Bub @ Nov 17 2007, 09:42 AM)
Just thought I would fire the first friendly salvo this year...
Just like any other year. Nothing like creating ones own strawman fake controversy.
and a Merry Christmas to you too
In the spirit of the season of course.
somebody post some pics of man ass so we can start talking about weird sex stuff so bub will feel at home.
In the spirit of the season of course.
In the spirit of the season of course.
Hairy Christmas!
didn't that dude invent the War on Christmas (WOC)?
Hairy Bill?
Merry Xmas!
If you worship X, start your own thread.
I do. Christ is my savior. And I am so not worth his mercy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xmas
IOWs, farg off.
Is Jesus your savior?
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abbreviations for Χριστος (Greek for "Christ"),...
The Oxford English Dictionary documents the use of this abbreviation back to 1551, 50 years before the first English colonists arrived in North America and 60 years before the King James Version of the Bible was completed.
The Oxford English Dictionary documents the use of this abbreviation back to 1551, 50 years before the first English colonists arrived in North America and 60 years before the King James Version of the Bible was completed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xmas
IOWs, farg off.
Is Jesus your savior?
QUOTE (hunin @ Nov 17 2007, 06:38 PM)
Χριστος
X is a bit short. Maybe you refer to him as JC in private?
My religion is between me and any higher power I might chose to believe in.
That's nice.
I do serve the Fisherman.
X is enuf to serve the purpose. Everyone knows the meaning.
Xmas is no insult to Him.
Given your lack of assertion of faith - considering your questioning of mine - I do wonder why you care.
I do serve the Fisherman.
X is enuf to serve the purpose. Everyone knows the meaning.
Xmas is no insult to Him.
Given your lack of assertion of faith - considering your questioning of mine - I do wonder why you care.
Christ did things differently each time
QUOTE (hunin @ Nov 17 2007, 05:46 PM)
That's nice.
I do serve the Fisherman.
X is enuf to serve the purpose. Everyone knows the meaning.
Xmas is no insult to Him.
Given your lack of assertion of faith - considering your questioning of mine - I do wonder why you care.
I do serve the Fisherman.
X is enuf to serve the purpose. Everyone knows the meaning.
Xmas is no insult to Him.
Given your lack of assertion of faith - considering your questioning of mine - I do wonder why you care.
I humbly suggest one serves God in light of the first commandment.
QUOTE (hunin @ Nov 17 2007, 06:46 PM)
That's nice.
I do serve the Fisherman.
X is enuf to serve the purpose. Everyone knows the meaning.
Xmas is no insult to Him.
Given your lack of assertion of faith - considering your questioning of mine - I do wonder why you care.
I do serve the Fisherman.
X is enuf to serve the purpose. Everyone knows the meaning.
Xmas is no insult to Him.
Given your lack of assertion of faith - considering your questioning of mine - I do wonder why you care.
I guess X doesn't mean the same thing to you as it does to some black folk.
All of them Commandments.
And mostly all are found wanting in that. I know I am.
Thank God for grace.
And mostly all are found wanting in that. I know I am.
Thank God for grace.
QUOTE (Brian_Lambchops @ Nov 17 2007, 08:06 PM)
I guess X doesn't mean the same thing to you as it does to some black folk.
Hard to say if there is indeed some variance.
That said, nobody is likely to confuse Xmas w/Malcolmmas. is there?
Truly a stupid reference.
To Christ and to Malcolm.
What are you thinking?
the liberal burgermeisters are out there again condemning everything about christmas
JUST SAY NO TO CHRISTMAS IS THEIR RALLYING CRY!
We Meanies only take no for an answer.
Is that understood, Max?
No, Your Blueness.
That's better.
Are the troops in readiness?
No, your Blueness.
- The Bonkers?
- No.
- Clowns?
- No.
- Snapping Turks?
- No.
- Anti-music missiles?
- No.
- The dreadful Flying Glove?
- No.
Splendid!
QUOTE (patheticJT @ Dec 12 2007, 12:51 PM)
the liberal burgermeisters are out there again condemning everything about christmas
JUST SAY NO TO CHRISTMAS IS THEIR RALLYING CRY!
MMMM Burger..... Just in time for lunch.
As long as I get some time off I'll never be offended by Christmas.
I went down to the court house to pay my property tax and the lady in the tax office said "Merry Christmas". Jump on it Christmas haterz.
aint no christmas haters except in your tiny little minds. No one has ever posted anything of the sort.
The meanies don't take "no" for an answer.
If you support the ACLU then you support haterz.
Rush Limbaugh a haterz?
Say it ain't so!
Limbaugh supports Christmas. And he never asked ACLU to do poop for him.
Then he's an ungrateful wretch.
Who doesn't "support Christmas?"
Except those who pretend there's a "war" on it?
Who doesn't "support Christmas?"
Except those who pretend there's a "war" on it?
QUOTE (Bee @ Dec 12 2007, 04:43 PM)
Then he's an ungrateful wretch.
Who doesn't "support Christmas?"
Except those who pretend there's a "war" on it?
Who doesn't "support Christmas?"
Except those who pretend there's a "war" on it?
I already told you. Pay attention.
Your "say so" is worth less than spit.
Happy Holidays!
Happy Holidays!
Listen to rush. He's right.
Back when I was in Art School, I headed up to the Bay Area with a bunch of other Bay Area kids going home for Christmas on Christmas Eve. We all didn't think we could fford to, but then we pooled our money and decided we had enough to go. Somewhere on I-5 I realized that some dish I'd made got left behind, (this was waaaay before cel phones,) so we stopped and found a pay phone so I could call my housemates and tell them to throw it in the fridge, or eat it.
I called collect (as all my money had gone into the gas tank). While the operator was ringing I wished her a Merry Chriistmas, (it was Christmas Eve). She said "I'm Jewish" and disconnected me.
Maybe some people would say that was really rude of her, but it taught me that it isn't just my feelings I should be aware of, but the feelings of others as well. Especially at Christmastime.
I say Happy Holidays pretty much always, to avoid hurting or angering people. Unless they say "Happy Hannukah" or "Merry Christmas" to me, in which case I repond "Merry Christmas, to you, and yours, as well."
I think people that make a fuss about greetings are themselves, undermining the holiday and the feeling of the holiday.
That's a pity.
That nimrod Rush must be losing ratings if he's picking on Christmas. That is what he is actually doing. Look what he's done to his listeners like Bart and JT and Bubs. He's making people everywhere feel bad. That's NOT what the season is supposed to do. Just the opposite, I'd say.
I called collect (as all my money had gone into the gas tank). While the operator was ringing I wished her a Merry Chriistmas, (it was Christmas Eve). She said "I'm Jewish" and disconnected me.
Maybe some people would say that was really rude of her, but it taught me that it isn't just my feelings I should be aware of, but the feelings of others as well. Especially at Christmastime.
I say Happy Holidays pretty much always, to avoid hurting or angering people. Unless they say "Happy Hannukah" or "Merry Christmas" to me, in which case I repond "Merry Christmas, to you, and yours, as well."
I think people that make a fuss about greetings are themselves, undermining the holiday and the feeling of the holiday.
That's a pity.
That nimrod Rush must be losing ratings if he's picking on Christmas. That is what he is actually doing. Look what he's done to his listeners like Bart and JT and Bubs. He's making people everywhere feel bad. That's NOT what the season is supposed to do. Just the opposite, I'd say.
QUOTE (Bee @ Dec 12 2007, 05:03 PM)
Back when I was in Art School, I headed up to the Bay Area with a bunch of other Bay Area kids going home for Christmas on Christmas Eve. We all didn't think we could fford to, but then we pooled our money and decided we had enough to go. Somewhere on I-5 I realized that some dish I'd made got left behind, (this was waaaay before cel phones,) so we stopped and found a pay phone so I could call my housemates and tell them to throw it in the fridge, or eat it.
I called collect (as all my money had gone into the gas tank). While the operator was ringing I wished her a Merry Chriistmas, (it was Christmas Eve). She said "I'm Jewish" and disconnected me.
Maybe some people would say that was really rude of her, but it taught me that it isn't just my feelings I should be aware of, but the feelings of others as well. Especially at Christmastime.
I say Happy Holidays pretty much always, to avoid hurting or angering people. Unless they say "Happy Hannukah" or "Merry Christmas" to me, in which case I repond "Merry Christmas, to you, and yours, as well."
I think people that make a fuss about greetings are themselves, undermining the holiday and the feeling of the holiday.
That's a pity.
That nimrod Rush must be losing ratings if he's picking on Christmas. That is what he is actually doing. Look what he's done to his listeners like Bart and JT and Bubs. He's making people everywhere feel bad. That's NOT what the season is supposed to do. Just the opposite, I'd say.
I called collect (as all my money had gone into the gas tank). While the operator was ringing I wished her a Merry Chriistmas, (it was Christmas Eve). She said "I'm Jewish" and disconnected me.
Maybe some people would say that was really rude of her, but it taught me that it isn't just my feelings I should be aware of, but the feelings of others as well. Especially at Christmastime.
I say Happy Holidays pretty much always, to avoid hurting or angering people. Unless they say "Happy Hannukah" or "Merry Christmas" to me, in which case I repond "Merry Christmas, to you, and yours, as well."
I think people that make a fuss about greetings are themselves, undermining the holiday and the feeling of the holiday.
That's a pity.
That nimrod Rush must be losing ratings if he's picking on Christmas. That is what he is actually doing. Look what he's done to his listeners like Bart and JT and Bubs. He's making people everywhere feel bad. That's NOT what the season is supposed to do. Just the opposite, I'd say.
The opertor was wrong to disconnect you and should have been fired. That was totally unprofessional. She should have given you the chance to apologize or change your greeting.
Christmas is only one of many topics covered by Rush and usually only gets mentioned when there's another stupid lawsuit by some atheist. Hardly ever hear of a Jewish or Muslim or any other religious person taking offense.
Rush has never done anything to me except validate my already formed ideas and opinions. We, the listners problably influence his program more than the other way round.
QUOTE (Bee @ Dec 12 2007, 03:03 PM)
Back when I was in Art School, I headed up to the Bay Area with a bunch of other Bay Area kids going home for Christmas on Christmas Eve. We all didn't think we could fford to, but then we pooled our money and decided we had enough to go. Somewhere on I-5 I realized that some dish I'd made got left behind, (this was waaaay before cel phones,) so we stopped and found a pay phone so I could call my housemates and tell them to throw it in the fridge, or eat it.
I called collect (as all my money had gone into the gas tank). While the operator was ringing I wished her a Merry Chriistmas, (it was Christmas Eve). She said "I'm Jewish" and disconnected me.
Maybe some people would say that was really rude of her, but it taught me that it isn't just my feelings I should be aware of, but the feelings of others as well. Especially at Christmastime.
I say Happy Holidays pretty much always, to avoid hurting or angering people. Unless they say "Happy Hannukah" or "Merry Christmas" to me, in which case I repond "Merry Christmas, to you, and yours, as well."
I think people that make a fuss about greetings are themselves, undermining the holiday and the feeling of the holiday.
That's a pity.
That nimrod Rush must be losing ratings if he's picking on Christmas. That is what he is actually doing. Look what he's done to his listeners like Bart and JT and Bubs. He's making people everywhere feel bad. That's NOT what the season is supposed to do. Just the opposite, I'd say.
I called collect (as all my money had gone into the gas tank). While the operator was ringing I wished her a Merry Chriistmas, (it was Christmas Eve). She said "I'm Jewish" and disconnected me.
Maybe some people would say that was really rude of her, but it taught me that it isn't just my feelings I should be aware of, but the feelings of others as well. Especially at Christmastime.
I say Happy Holidays pretty much always, to avoid hurting or angering people. Unless they say "Happy Hannukah" or "Merry Christmas" to me, in which case I repond "Merry Christmas, to you, and yours, as well."
I think people that make a fuss about greetings are themselves, undermining the holiday and the feeling of the holiday.
That's a pity.
That nimrod Rush must be losing ratings if he's picking on Christmas. That is what he is actually doing. Look what he's done to his listeners like Bart and JT and Bubs. He's making people everywhere feel bad. That's NOT what the season is supposed to do. Just the opposite, I'd say.
Back in my telecom days I had the opportunity to sit in on the operator's etiquette classes - they were admonished to respond in this manner when wished well by a customer - if they felt it necessary to not respond in kind (and the Christmas wish was their prime example) - "Why, thank you! I'm xxxxx, but I appreciate the thought, and hope you and yours have a great [holiday]. Now. [on to satisfying your request].." Disconnecting as this operator did was indeed unprofessional and would not have been tolerated by the company for which I worked.
Then maybe you "listeners" need to lighten up.
Go after unChristmas items such as overconsumption, trees, carols, mistletoe, or egg nog, (good luck with that ) the but leave the season alone.
Ther are other holidays and the majority shouldn't run roughshod and get away with callousness just because they're the majority. The birth of Christ was an event shared by many faiths, or are you not familiar with the story?
Have a little respect for them, they certainly showed respect for Him.
The "war" is of your own making. That's the tragedy. Quit hurting people for no good reason.
Meanie.
Go after unChristmas items such as overconsumption, trees, carols, mistletoe, or egg nog, (good luck with that
) the but leave the season alone. Ther are other holidays and the majority shouldn't run roughshod and get away with callousness just because they're the majority. The birth of Christ was an event shared by many faiths, or are you not familiar with the story?
Have a little respect for them, they certainly showed respect for Him.
The "war" is of your own making. That's the tragedy. Quit hurting people for no good reason.
Meanie.
QUOTE (Bee @ Dec 12 2007, 05:22 PM)
Then maybe you "listeners" need to lighten up.
Go after unChristmas items such as overconsumption, trees, carols, mistletoe, or egg nog, (good luck with that ) the but leave the season alone.
Ther are other holidays and the majority shouldn't run roughshod and get away with callousness just because they're the majority. The birth of Christ was an event shared by many faiths, or are you not familiar with the story?
Have a little respect for them, they certainly showed respect for Him.
The "war" is of your own making. That's the tragedy. Quit hurting people for no good reason.
Meanie.
Go after unChristmas items such as overconsumption, trees, carols, mistletoe, or egg nog, (good luck with that
) the but leave the season alone. Ther are other holidays and the majority shouldn't run roughshod and get away with callousness just because they're the majority. The birth of Christ was an event shared by many faiths, or are you not familiar with the story?
Have a little respect for them, they certainly showed respect for Him.
The "war" is of your own making. That's the tragedy. Quit hurting people for no good reason.
Meanie.
So there are no lawsuits or threats of suits or complaints that have caused this shift?
Bull poop Little Bee. It's the atheists and the people like you that support them that are the problem. Maybe you can find some to go demonstrate with.
Nobody's running roughshod over anyone here. We just aren't going to sit back and take poop from the likes of those who would try to destroy American tradition.
QUOTE (Russ Logan @ Dec 12 2007, 05:20 PM)
Back in my telecom days I had the opportunity to sit in on the operator's etiquette classes - they were admonished to respond in this manner when wished well by a customer - if they felt it necessary to not respond in kind (and the Christmas wish was their prime example) - "Why, thank you! I'm xxxxx, but I appreciate the thought, and hope you and yours have a great [holiday]. Now. [on to satisfying your request].." Disconnecting as this operator did was indeed unprofessional and would not have been tolerated by the company for which I worked.
Oh, I know it wasn't "professional".
So, what are you saying, I should have got her fired? On Christmas Eve?
Not hardly. My take was that she'd been hearing it all day, and I was one too many. Also that she must have been an unhappy woman. As I said, I took it as educational, and altered my behavior accordingly. I felt bad for her.
It's a small thing. I can say "Merry Christmas" all I like to friends, family, and folks at Church. Seems to me during this season we should all strive to be inoffensive. That's a gift we can share with everyone, no matter their faith. A gift no amount of money can buy. A gift worth giving and receiving.
YMMV.
QUOTE (Bart Katz @ Dec 12 2007, 05:24 PM)
So there are no lawsuits or threats of suits or complaints that have caused this shift?
Bull poop Little Bee. It's the atheists and the people like you that support them that are the problem. Maybe you can find some to go demonstrate with.
Nobody's running roughshod over anyone here. We just aren't going to sit back and take poop from the likes of those who would try to destroy American tradition.
Bull poop Little Bee. It's the atheists and the people like you that support them that are the problem. Maybe you can find some to go demonstrate with.
Nobody's running roughshod over anyone here. We just aren't going to sit back and take poop from the likes of those who would try to destroy American tradition.
The "lawsuits" are over petty little grievances that most likely could be worked out other ways, and the one's I've seen are from the angry, hate-spewing, psuedo-christians that have allowed outrage to reign in their hearts rather than peace.
They are the ones being controversial and spreading hate.
Like I said, it's a pity they choose to sow that during Christmastime. You obviously feel the need to make it into something ugly and angry. Most of the rest of us will continue to roll our eyes nd ignore your poor and inappropriate behavior.
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Contrary to popular belief, those campaigning against the "censorship" of Christmas include not only Christians, but atheists[3], Muslims,[7] and Jews, as well.[8][9]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_controversy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_controversy
Bet "Rush" didn't mention that. You haterz really ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
WWJD
QUOTE (Bee @ Dec 12 2007, 03:29 PM)
Oh, I know it wasn't "professional".
So, what are you saying, I should have got her fired? On Christmas Eve?
Not hardly. My take was that she'd been hearing it all day, and I was one too many. Also that she must have been an unhappy woman. As I said, I took it as educational, and altered my behavior accordingly. I felt bad for her.
It's a small thing. I can say "Merry Christmas" all I like to friends, family, and folks at Church. Seems to me during this season we should all strive to be inoffensive. That's a gift we can share with everyone, no matter their faith. A gift no amount of money can buy. A gift worth giving and receiving.
YMMV.
So, what are you saying, I should have got her fired? On Christmas Eve?
Not hardly. My take was that she'd been hearing it all day, and I was one too many. Also that she must have been an unhappy woman. As I said, I took it as educational, and altered my behavior accordingly. I felt bad for her.
It's a small thing. I can say "Merry Christmas" all I like to friends, family, and folks at Church. Seems to me during this season we should all strive to be inoffensive. That's a gift we can share with everyone, no matter their faith. A gift no amount of money can buy. A gift worth giving and receiving.
YMMV.
Nope just saying it was unprofessional. Not that she should have been fired or even that you needed to take any further action. But I can say that if such was her standard behaviour, at some point, some customer will take it as an affront and complain. Then the company, knowing that the operator is not the "face" they wish to project to customers, would then likely take action to change that role for the person or have them alter their presentation by training or counseling. Everyone is responsible for their actions and interactions, to the extent that those are under their control.
QUOTE (Russ Logan @ Dec 12 2007, 05:37 PM)
Nope just saying it was unprofessional. Not that she should have been fired or even that you needed to take any further action. But I can say that if such was her standard behaviour, at some point, some customer will take it as an affront and complain. Then the company, knowing that the operator is not the "face" they wish to project to customers, would then likely take action to change that role for the person or have them alter their presentation by training or counseling. Everyone is responsible for their actions and interactions, to the extent that those are under their control.
The company was Ma Bell.
Talk about dinosaurs.Ancient history.
Like I said, it made me think about other people, not a bad thing to do on Christmas Eve.
QUOTE (Bee @ Dec 12 2007, 03:03 PM)
Back when I was in Art School, I headed up to the Bay Area with a bunch of other Bay Area kids going home for Christmas on Christmas Eve. We all didn't think we could fford to, but then we pooled our money and decided we had enough to go. Somewhere on I-5 I realized that some dish I'd made got left behind, (this was waaaay before cel phones,) so we stopped and found a pay phone so I could call my housemates and tell them to throw it in the fridge, or eat it.
I called collect (as all my money had gone into the gas tank). While the operator was ringing I wished her a Merry Chriistmas, (it was Christmas Eve). She said "I'm Jewish" and disconnected me.
I called collect (as all my money had gone into the gas tank). While the operator was ringing I wished her a Merry Chriistmas, (it was Christmas Eve). She said "I'm Jewish" and disconnected me.
Maybe she meant to say "I'm shrewish".
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Dec 12 2007, 04:48 PM)
Maybe she meant to say "I'm shrewish".
av placed this item, or some variation thereof in the Iraq forum. Since poor Xmas is supposed by some to be under attack maybe well-placed here as well:
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/12/12/subway.attack/
Where's the spirit of Xmas really to be found in this?
Hassan? The Good Samaritan? Hmmmm.
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NEW YORK (CNN) -- A Muslim man jumped to the aid of three Jewish subway riders after they were attacked by a group of young people who objected to one of the Jews saying "Happy Hanukkah," a spokeswoman for the three said Wednesday.
The New York Police Department's Hate Crimes Task Force is investigating Friday's incident on the Q train.
Friday's altercation on the Q train began when somebody yelled out "Merry Christmas," to which rider Walter Adler responded, "Happy Hanukkah," said Toba Hellerstein.
"Almost immediately, you see the look in this guy's face like I've called his mother something," Adler told CNN affiliate WABC.
Two women who were with a group of 10 rowdy people then began to verbally assault Adler's companions with anti-Semitic language, Hellerstein said.
One member of the group allegedly yelled, "Oh, Hanukkah. That's the day that the Jews killed Jesus," she said.
When Adler tried to intercede, a male member of the group punched him, she said.
Another passenger, Hassan Askari -- a Muslim student from Bangladesh -- came to Adler's aid, and the group began physically and verbally assaulting him, Hellerstein said.
Adler pulled the emergency brake and the train stopped at DeKalb Avenue station, where police came on board.
The 10 suspects, ages 19 to 20, were taken into custody, said Brooklyn district attorney spokesman Sandy Silverstein.
Askari was first handcuffed alongside them, but he was released when Adler told police he was not an attacker, Hellerstein said.
Alder was treated at Long Island College Hospital for injuries that included a fractured nose and a cut lip that required several stitches, while Askari suffered a black eye, Hellerstein said.
The suspects are to appear in Brooklyn District Court on February 7 on charges that include assault, attempted assault, menacing, harassment, unlawful assembly, riot and disorderly conduct, Silverstein said.
The New York Police Department's Hate Crimes Task Force is investigating the incident, and will determine whether the suspects will be charged with hate crimes, Officer Philip Hauser told CNN.
The New York Police Department's Hate Crimes Task Force is investigating Friday's incident on the Q train.
Friday's altercation on the Q train began when somebody yelled out "Merry Christmas," to which rider Walter Adler responded, "Happy Hanukkah," said Toba Hellerstein.
"Almost immediately, you see the look in this guy's face like I've called his mother something," Adler told CNN affiliate WABC.
Two women who were with a group of 10 rowdy people then began to verbally assault Adler's companions with anti-Semitic language, Hellerstein said.
One member of the group allegedly yelled, "Oh, Hanukkah. That's the day that the Jews killed Jesus," she said.
When Adler tried to intercede, a male member of the group punched him, she said.
Another passenger, Hassan Askari -- a Muslim student from Bangladesh -- came to Adler's aid, and the group began physically and verbally assaulting him, Hellerstein said.
Adler pulled the emergency brake and the train stopped at DeKalb Avenue station, where police came on board.
The 10 suspects, ages 19 to 20, were taken into custody, said Brooklyn district attorney spokesman Sandy Silverstein.
Askari was first handcuffed alongside them, but he was released when Adler told police he was not an attacker, Hellerstein said.
Alder was treated at Long Island College Hospital for injuries that included a fractured nose and a cut lip that required several stitches, while Askari suffered a black eye, Hellerstein said.
The suspects are to appear in Brooklyn District Court on February 7 on charges that include assault, attempted assault, menacing, harassment, unlawful assembly, riot and disorderly conduct, Silverstein said.
The New York Police Department's Hate Crimes Task Force is investigating the incident, and will determine whether the suspects will be charged with hate crimes, Officer Philip Hauser told CNN.
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/12/12/subway.attack/
Where's the spirit of Xmas really to be found in this?
Hassan? The Good Samaritan? Hmmmm.
It's a Festivus miracle.
Seriously. Some people do the right thing, some do the wrong thing, and some do nothing at all. Doing the right thing shouldn't have anything to do with checking religion, sex, nationality or race first. I've heard some different things about the incident, but there's little doubt that Askari tried to do the right thing with no thought to his own safety.
Seriously. Some people do the right thing, some do the wrong thing, and some do nothing at all. Doing the right thing shouldn't have anything to do with checking religion, sex, nationality or race first. I've heard some different things about the incident, but there's little doubt that Askari tried to do the right thing with no thought to his own safety.
Yeah one of the perps blames the Jew. The perp w/a previous hate crime conviction.
And so happy Eid Al-Adha, Hassan.
بسم الله
And so happy Eid Al-Adha, Hassan.
بسم الله
QUOTE
...Joseph Jirovec, 19 - the son of a city firefighter who is currently serving in Iraq - has pleaded guilty to a 2005 bias crime against blacks.
"We are not racist against Jewish people. That whole hate-crime thing is ridiculous," the Brooklyn man said.
He claims Adler's group was drunk and taunted his group, and one yelled, "We killed Jesus."
Jirovec will soon begin serving six months for his role in the attack against four men in Gerritsen Beach.
"I'm trying to stay out of trouble," he said. "When I get out, I want to go into the military."
"We are not racist against Jewish people. That whole hate-crime thing is ridiculous," the Brooklyn man said.
He claims Adler's group was drunk and taunted his group, and one yelled, "We killed Jesus."
Jirovec will soon begin serving six months for his role in the attack against four men in Gerritsen Beach.
"I'm trying to stay out of trouble," he said. "When I get out, I want to go into the military."
http://www.nypost.com/seven/12122007/news/...slim_381263.htm
He may well get in.
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