How does society declare someone dead? I always thought it was when there was no heart beat.

A fetus has a heart beat different then moms.

There is no legislation that will stop abortion. A woman will choose to continue a pregnancy or not no matter what anyone says or does. Closing the clinics, picketing the Supreme Court, nothing will stop a woman from ending a pregnancy if she chooses to do so. All she needs is a coat hanger or knitting needle.

Having it legal stops that practice, making it a crime will send it back to the bedroom. I had six kids but still wouldn't like to see the right of others who choose NOT to have kids be overturned.

Feti are people only if you shoot em.

Mebbe somebody sees you as having a soul...or maybe he don't.
How much you want for it?

how much you usually get them for?

yep than they is somebody.

They is.

It's murder.

To me, these are all hollow arguments; rationalizations, if you will. To initiate a premise that law is worthless since a woman will do what she will do is no different that saying theives will do what they will, as will murderers, rapists, and virtually anything else.

It's all about individual responsibility, which is born from morality, which is....

SIGNING STATEMENTS

To initiate a law is worthless since THE PRESIDENT will do what he will do is no different that saying theives will do what they will, as will murderers, rapists, and virtually anything else.

Excuse me?

On a different note: What is the purpose of writing "mebbe" instead of "maybe"? There's no economy of effort involved, is there?

The notion that you care whether women can end their own pregnancies for moral reasons is very far-fetched. I would bet anything that you couldn't care less, in fact.

You actual, real reason for being even interested is that you're interested in controlling women.

You've got that right. I was so shocked to learn (just the other day) that blacks (men) got the right to vote before women did. I never really paid any attention as those rights were fought for and won way before I needed them. You all know that if men could get pregnant there'd be a clinic on every corner.

I don't know about that. I wouldn't get one.

If I didn't want any more, I'd get tied. In fact, that's what I already did.

What a remarkably obtuse deduction...

Hell yeah, fark morality. Long as them bitches wash my clothes...what do I care?

they must love you a lot

How much you got?

Woman accidentally stabs herself in cemetery ritual

A good Simpson's episode. I'm not a big religious type, but I woudn't even pretend to sell some things.

Something for nothing is quite a deal.

'Allah meat' astounds Nigerians

Trading something for everything isn't.

World's Oldest Bible Goes Online

Don't eat the green meat.

There's a Hulk joke in there somewhere.....

deep in there

The Conservative Voice: UFOs, Aliens, and Christianity





Couldn't find the ufo thread, so this will do...

A few years ago I read an interesting article depicting the correlations of the quality of UFO craft sitings with the relative technological level of humanity...the wheels within wheels of Ezekiel, for instance, to present day capabities of today's saucer sitings.

Some of the most interesting were the reports from the Middle Ages. Many of these were slow moving craft with windows allowing the observer to view all sorts of contemporary oddities. The point the author was making was that the UFOs were created by "dark forces" and that these forces were only able to render the alien objects in the terms of the time.

Voting was a state's right! Wyoming, for example, always allowed women to vote. Many middle east countries still don't allow women to vote.

The women in Wyoming were no doubt armed.

LAKE FOREST, Calif., July 21 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama, respective presumed Republican and Democratic presidential nominees, will end the primary season by making their first joint appearance of the 2008 campaign at Saddleback Church on Saturday, Aug. 16 at the Saddleback Civil Forum on Leadership and Compassion. Dr. Rick Warren, founding pastor of the 22,000-member Orange County, Calif. mega church and moderator for the event, made the announcement today upon confirmation by both campaigns.


"We're honored that the candidates chose The Saddleback Civil Forum on Leadership and Compassion for their first joint appearance, an unprecedented opportunity for America to hear both men back-to-back on the same platform," Warren said. "This is a critical time for our nation and the American people deserve to hear both candidates speak from the heart -- without interruption -- in a civil and thoughtful format absent the partisan 'gotcha' questions that typically produce heat instead of light.


"The primaries proved that Americans care deeply about the faith, values, character and leadership convictions of candidates as much as they do about the issues. While I know both men as friends and they recognize I will be frank, but fair, they also know I will be raising questions in these four areas beyond what political reporters typically ask. This includes pressing issues that are bridging divides in our nation, such as poverty, HIV/AIDS, climate and human rights."


Warren confirmed that, at the candidates' request, this two-hour event from 5-7 p.m. (PDT) will be held in a non-debate format and open to all media. Both candidates also requested that questions be posed exclusively by Warren, instead of a panel or members of the audience. Each will converse separately with Warren for approximately one-hour, beginning with Sen. Obama as determined by a coin toss. This historic forum will be the only joint campaign event prior to each party's national convention.


"While debates typically focus primarily on the candidates' positions and only secondarily on how they'd lead and make decisions, this Saddleback Civil Forum will reverse that ratio," Warren continued. "Since the oath of the President is a commitment to protect the Constitution, it's critical to know how each candidate interprets the nature of its principles. Leadership involves far more than promoting programs and making speeches, and since no one can predict what crises will happen over the next four years, it is vital to know the decision capacity and process of each man."

Warren has known each candidate prior to their run for national office. Both men recorded video messages to attendees at Saddleback's annual Global Summit on AIDS and The Church last November. Along with other national and international leaders, each has also endorsed Warren's vision of the P.E.A.C.E. Plan, a 50-year strategy to mobilize millions of local churches around the world to address five global problems: spiritual emptiness, corrupt leadership, poverty, disease and illiteracy. After four years of testing prototypes of the P.E.A.C.E. Plan in 68 countries, the P.E.A.C.E. Coalition, involving business, church and government partnerships, was launched in April.


In conjunction with the Civil Forum event, Warren will convene an interfaith meeting at the church for approximately 30 Christian, Jewish and Muslim leaders to discuss cooperation in projects for the common good of all Americans. Members of the P.E.A.C.E. Coalition Leadership Council will also fly in for weekend events.

On Sunday, Aug. 17, Warren will deliver a special sermon entitled, "Making Up Your Mind: Questions to Consider before the Election," which will be streamed live on the church Web site, www.saddleback.com, and made available for use in small group discussions within churches across the country.


The Saddleback Civil Forum was established to promote civil discourse and the common good of all. The first forum, held during Passover week this year, featured five Jewish World War II Holocaust survivors sharing their stories. The next Saddleback Civil Forum in September will feature former British Prime Minister Tony Blair.


"In addition to my primary calling to proclaim the Gospel Truth of salvation in Jesus Christ, these Civil Forums further three other life goals: helping individuals accept responsibility, helping the Church regain credibility and encouraging our society to return to civility," Warren added.


Saddleback Church has invited Faith in Public Life, which hosted a Compassion Forum at Messiah College in Pennsylvania last April, to co-sponsor this special Saddleback Civil Forum on Leadership and Compassion. Approximately 6,500 tickets to the event will be allotted for seating in six different venues throughout the 120-acre Saddleback campus.

FOR INFORMATION CONTACT:
A. Larry Ross (972) 267-1111
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SOURCE Saddleback Church

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20080721/pl_u...ddleback_church

Why was there a suffragist movement, then? Why was there a FEDERAL Constitution Amendment to that effect, then?

I suppose you're arguing that it ought to have remained a matter for each State to decide. Are you?

Cool.


That sounds like a good format.

It couldn't possibly have been part of a 'package' to attract women to the territory. No, it was all about the forward-thinking of Montanans, at the time.

Oh yeah.

Soooo...what?...you believe that, you're saying?

Police: Man shot churchgoers over liberal views



Apparently, based on the church shooter's stated opinions and materials found in his apartment, the works of Michael Savage, Sean Hannity, and Bill O'Reilly played a part in moving him to violence.

Plumber spots image of Virgin Mary in sink

Police: Body found in Ala. freezer was mother of 8

'Cheesus?': Woman Finds Jesus In Bag of Cheetos

I would say it is far more interesting than finding Christ in a cheeto or a lint licker in a woodpile.

I hate this pop-psychology nonsense. What "moved him to violence" was not any environmental trigger. No book, by anyone, can "move" ANYONE to do anything. Not by itself.

It's not the author's responsibility (one way or the other) what readers claim they were "moved" to do after reading their work(s).

I agree. I'd be more inclined to believe that people read what interests them, agrees with their views rather than the other way round.

I'd bet that there are far more people interested in what they believe are apparations of their Gods in everyday objects than those who think aliens are demonic beings. Many people believe in these apparations. But those who do are probably likely to look askance at the "aliens = demons" idea as even further out than they are.

pigeons are alien robots sent to spy on us

watch how they walk

Double check I think some one posted that they hit the WTC and pentagon a couple years ago. Boooosh sent out a birdcall and started the whole thing.

the latest conspiracy.

murder is always goooood for laughs

Religions thrived to protect against disease

Butt farkin' thrives to spread disease.

"Our analysis suggests that the nature of buttfarkin needs to be reconsidered. Although buttfarkin apparently is for establishing a social marker of group alliance and allegiance, at the most fundamental level, it may be for the maintenance and management of infectious disease."