And for the final question that you should answer in a post stating your reasoning...

Do you support or not support another investigation of what really happened on 9-11?

Like most polls the pollster has a POV and it comes out in the choices.

You aren't satisfied with the choices?

Nope, but I'm seldom satisfied with the choices so it isn't just you. Complex problems have complex causes and solutions, It's hard to make them into multiple choice tests.

The poll's ok Charlie.

I would have preferred if there were "Jew" choices to the poll.

When in doubt, blame the farking Jews or a similar choice.

I'm with underhill...there can be no conspiracy without a jew bastard.
...or at least some homos.

1). Paul Wolfowitz -- Deputy Defense Secretary, Bush's foreign policy campaign advisor. Appointed to the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency in 1973. Mark Green in his article Serving two flags: Neo-Cons, Israel and the Bush administration www.counterpunch.org noted: “Wolfowitz…brought to ACDA a strong attachment to Israel’s security, and a certain confusion about his obligation to U.S. national security.” Investigated in 1978 for passing classified documents to Israel through an American Israeli Public Affairs Committee intermediary. There was no indictment.

After the terrorist attacks of 9/11 Wolfowitz argued strongly for war with Iraq rather than with the center of power and training for Al Qaeda, Afghanistan.


2). Richard Perle -- One of George Bush's Foreign Policy Advisors. Chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board. A close personal friend of former prime minister of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu. in 1996, Perle was behind the report A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm written for the incoming Israeli Likud Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu.

In 1970 Pearle was recorded by the FBI discussing classified information with the Israeli Embassy. In 1981 he worked for an Israeli defense contractor. Also in 1981 he was appointed Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Policy an agency that monitors defense technology exports.

3). Douglas Feith -- Headed reconstruction in Iraq. Was Under Secretary of Defense and Policy Advisor at the Pentagon. He is a close associate of Perle and served as his Special Counsel.

Feith was fired from a position with the National Security Council in 1972 due to an investigation into his passing documents to the Israeli Embassy. In 1986 he opened a law firm in Israel Feith and Zell and later obtained a pardon for the Jewish arms dealer Marc Rich from president Clinton. During the late 80's and early 90's he wrote op-ed pieces in Israeli newspapers arguing for the Palestinians moving to Jordan and that the West Bank was a part of Israel. He also argued for regime change in Iraq. He is a founding member of One Jerusalem, an Israeli organization that wants no compromise with the Palestinians on any part of Jerusalem.

4). Elliott Abrams -- National Security Council Advisor. He previously worked at Washington-based "think tank" Ethics and Public Policy Center. He is associated with "think tanks" PNAC, AEI, CSP, JINSA, and with the Likud government in Israel. Close associate of Richard Perle, Bill Kristol, Marc Paul Gerecht, Michael Ledeen and Paul Wolfowitz. In his boo he calls for Jews to marry Jews and retain their ethnic cohesion. Convicted of lying to Congress in the Iran/Contra affair he was sentenced to 2 yrs. probation, 100 hours of community service and a $50.00 fine. He was given a Christmas pardon by Bush 1.

5). Abraham Shulsky-- Protégée of Richard Pearle and friend of Paul Wolfowitz. He was appointed head of the Office of Special Plans which was under Feith and Wolfowitz. This office eventually became more powerful in relation to Iraq than the CIA or the Defense Intelligence Agency. It supplied the major portion of the fraudulent intelligence that was used by the Bush administration to justify the War in Iraq. It is believed that the OSP worked closely with Mossad to exaggerate Iraqi weapons estimates.

6). Stephen Bryen In 1978 he was investigated for offering classified documents to the Israeli Embassy's Mossad chief in front of a representative of the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). From 1979 to 1981 Bryen served as executive director for the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs. He was hired by Richard Pearle during the Reagan years for the position of Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense. In 1988 Richard Pearle and Stephen Bryen temporarily got permission to export sensitive technology used in anti-ballistic missiles (klystron technology). Two senior Department of Defense colleagues said the attempt to export the technology was "standard operating procedure" for Stephen Bryen. They recalled numerous instances of US companies being unable to get export licensure for certain technologies only to find (US derived) copies being sold by Israel.

The investigation was closed after the Senate Foreign Relations Committee refused to grant access to the Justice Department's files and after Plilip Heymann, the Jewish chief of the Justice Department's Criminal Division (very active in the campaign to free Israeli spy Pollard) closed the investigation.

7). Michael Leeden Executive Director of the Jewish Institute of National Security Affairs 1977-1979. During the years of Ronald Regan Leeden was considered an agent of influence by the CIA and suspected of espionage by his superior at the Defense Department, Noel Koch. Consultant to Abraham Shulsky's Office of Special Plans that supplied fraudulent intelligence to the Bush Administration regarding Iraq.

(and Scooter Libby)

http://wake-up-america.net/NEO-CON%20JEWS%...20IN%20IRAQ.htm

8). Michael Chertoff--Secretary of Homeland Security

its nice that you share your reading material

I guess you just missed all them Jewish Neocons

we can't hold that against you

you're reading wheres waldo

in your world, we made this crap up

I do fully support another real investigation of what really happened on 9-11. I have never been satisfied with what the government told US.

If one bothers to look at all, there are just waay too many unanswered questions, unbelieveable coincidences, unexplained evidences, ignored motives and obvious lies for anyone to not on some level question the "official" story.

It's the implications of what we know, what we don't know, why would they lie, what's happened since and especially what will yet happen because of these lies(if they are allowed to continue:~) that boggles the mind into a stupor. So much so that, unfortunately, most who would call themselves Americans, Patriots, Truth Tellers, and all around basically "good people" are forced to simply ignore it and not even consider it. At least at first.

As time goes by, and more and more are forced by either their conscience or their misfortune to actually consider the implications of the realities of 9-11, more and more are inclined to openly or at least somewhat openly question what really happened on that damned day. As more and more open their eyes and openly express their dissatisfaction, it becomes easier for more and more others to do so.

I believe there will come a day when the masses will casually relate how they knew something was wrong with it all along. I believe that they will even say things like "of course our government did it, everyone knows that".

Where it will go from there remains hidden to me. Will the awakened go back to sleep? Preferring the relatively peaceful slumber of self-induced ignorance and apathy to the very hard questions that real life and real Americans, Patriots, Truth Tellers and all around basically "good people" must deal with in order to secure a truly good and prosperous nation?

End the lies. Let's know the truth, conspiracy or not. Investigate all the facts of 9-11 with a real and impartial commission.

ANd the truth will set US free... as it binds US to words and actions on behalf of a true nation of conscience.

I've never really discussed the 9/11 "investigation".

I read the 9/11 Commission Report - it's a tissue of lies.

I found multiple contradictions and omissions.

There needs to be an independent investigation, preferably with no government hacks this time around.

a quote I've heard from marines.

the same concerning flight 800, said to be hit by a navy missile

Well, there ya go...no need now for a formal investigation.

maybe for you, but not the masses

Venezuelan Government To Launch International 9/11 Investigation

Thank you for entering the discussion TT.

Thank you for that story Bub.

I think it would be a great shame if any other nation were to officially discover the truth before our own.

As if Hugo would be behind anything but a hatchet job.

I suppose that the avenues of investigation would certainly be more open to foreign elements rather than our own citizens...maybe that, in itself, would be proof positive that bushie has restricted our freedoms.

I'd prefer that we start this conversation out as instructed in the poll.

I don't think that there is a chance in hell that the Bush administration was involved in a conspiracy resulting in 911.
If one considers the practical and believable aspects of the real world there was:
No motive....
No method...
No opportunuity...

Yes, it's all about politics, no the conspiratorialists will never be happy, and no, there's no way to investigate something that complex enough to get every fact or have everything fall into some perfect place. Life isn't a machine, stuff flies off, things break, plans don't work, stuff behaves oddly. Reality is so uncooperative that it makes huge conspiracies LESS likely, not more.

How could the stupidest farker that ever walked the face of the earth even start to plan a conspiracy so complicated and complex?

First off, you didn't directly answer the question. Do you support or not support another more thorough investigation?

Second, "No motive.... No method... No opportunity..."?

I simply have to argue about those.

How can you say there was no motive? The administration had a lot to gain in every way I can think of. Politically, financially, advancing agendas such as the PNAC, the Afghanistan pipelines, the invasion of Iraq, military contracts, domestic surveilance issues, lost Pentagon monies and FEC evidence dealing with Enron and Worldcom, loss of a huge astbestos removal liability and instead gaining billions in insurance money, etc. etc. etc...

Pray tell, in what way did the administration and their backers stand to lose?

On no method, are you trying to argue that the highest positions in the US government with all of our immediate resources did not have the means to do this and yet you do believe that 19 hijackers from a cult of our former cold war CIA assets living in caves on the other side of the planet did?

That is ludicrous, I mean really, and it is the same with no opportunity.

Pray tell, just who had more means and opportunity than the most powerful elements of the US government?

If 9-11 had never happened, and you yourself had to plan such an attack upon a nation. Which government or terrorist organization or whatever institution under the sun would you consider the most capable of successfully completing such a mission on your behalf?

Especially considering the REAL theorists think Clinton, Gore, etc are in on it too.

They'd have to be in on it considering the preparation phase of the job.

Forget the politics and the conspiracy theories for just a second.

Wouldn't you really like to read a book or watch a movie or a documentary on what happened based on all the evidence?

Or would you prefer to watch a totally government sponsered and edited version that ignores most of the evidence and utterly enforces nothing but it's own agendas?

You haven't stated if you support or don't support a thorough investigation and why.

Who said that Bush planned 9-11?

Wouldn't you like to really know the truth about it?

Really, wouldn't you?

Wouldn't you like to really know the truth about it?

Really, wouldn't you?

I answered the poll questions. No further investigation needed, at least not the kind of witch hunt you have in mind.

I believe I already do know the truth. It's you and your ilk that don't believe it. That's your cross to bear, not mine.

If not what you think I have in mind, then what kind of investigation would you support?

Would you share what you know to be the truth with me?

I said none already.

I've seen plenty of public and private investigations on the evidence. What's left over is vendettas based on opinion and conjecture.

If there were a conspiracy there would be tangible, demonstrable, and believable effects of motive, method, and opportunity.
The more motives you attribute the more complex and less believable becomes the effort.
It is far easier to believe the method was as reported instead of assuming hundreds of home grown agents flawlessly coordinated and executed a unified action while leaving absolutely no trace of their activities.
The sheer numbers of personnel required to maintain silence makes a conspiracy much less opportune than a foreign attack.

Just out of curiosity...
Do you think this is a govt conspiracy, a Bush Administration conspiracy, or a secret society conspiracy?

bush obeyed his much experienced cheney and rummy, the real ones behind it

they openly expressed the "need" for an attack on America in order to achieve their war goals.

toss in myers to supply military stooges eager to follow orders without question

This is a classic, even for you.

same thing I've said for years

Perhaps you need a new hobby!

talking to walls

Go for it!

think I'm not?

That's your opinion. These folks also have opinions. Take a look... really.

http://911scholars.org/

http://www.ae911truth.org/

http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/

http://www.v911t.org/

http://www.truthaction.org/USMC.html

http://www.ny911truth.org/

http://dc911truth.org/

http://stj911.org/

http://www.911truth.org/

http://www.mujca.com/

http://www.sst911.org/

http://www.sf911truth.org/

http://summeroftruth.org/

http://911truth.eu/

http://www.boston911truth.org/

http://philly911truth.org/

http://9-11.meetup.com/260/

http://www.vic911truth.org/

http://www.calgary911truth.org/

http://www.fight4truth.com/911truth.htm

http://www.911truthmovement.org/

http://www.fv911truth.org/

http://www.911truthgroups.org/

http://maine911truth.org/

http://www.vt911.org/

http://cincinnati911truth.org/

http://www.vancouver911truth.org/

http://www.911revealingthetruth.org/

http://9-11.meetup.com/270/

http://www.nc911truth.org/

http://9eleven.info/

http://www.ts911t.org/

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

Etc... etc... etc...

Ohh, and there's this guy as well...

http://enlightenmentendeavors.com/conspiracy.htm

:~)

There are very tangible, demonstratable, and believable effects of motive, method, and opportunity. I think you have to allow your mind to actually consider them in order to see them. It's not as easy as it sounds.

I don't know everything about it, no one does. That's the whole point of asking for an investigation that answers our questions.

What I do know is that they lied, and lied and lied. That is enough to implicate them for me. Why would they lie about it?

Bullsht, all just pure bullshit. Why do you go over and over this bullshit and always ending up with the same result? Thinking people won't be convinced. A few whackoes already are convinced. What's the need for all the bullshit repetition?

The story keeps changing. I discounted it all when they said there was no plane at the Pentagon.