SherryB
Aug 7 2005, 04:30 AM
I really don't know where to start, but I'll just plunge in. I can't say I'm a religious person, I say I'm a Methodist, just because I used to go to a church. It doesn't really mean anything to me, really.
I say I believe in Jesus and God but it doesn't mean much, no different than I believe in Abraham Lincoln. It's about the same effect. I know all about them from what I read, but it doesn't mean I know anything about them, personally.
I could believe easily in reincarnation because there have been documented cases of young children telling all about their past life in another town at a different time and being right on all the details.
There has never been to my knowlege any real proof other than what's written in the Bible and there are so many changes, additions, deletions, and different translations, who knows what the truth is in it.
So that's the background. Now here comes the weird part.
When I was sitting for the last month of my Mother's life I sat in a chair next to her bed. I read and watched the TV and held her hand and cared for her. She was semi-concious, more asleep than awake most of the time. She was given a tiny dose of morphine every few hours to keep her comfortable and to ease her breathing. (emphysema).
She got so weak that I was giving her liquid with an eyedropper because she was too weak to suck on a straw and she would drown with a mouthful from a glass. A steady downward spiral, the Hospice nurse said.
She couldn't lift her arms or head and had to be moved by us for everything.
Well, now comes the really weird part.
A few hours before she died she sat bolt upright, leading with her chest. Her arms were behind her holding her up on the bed.
She was looking up toward the top of the wall, so I looked there, saw nothing, then looked at her face.
Her eyes were big and round like buttons. She had a smile on her face like a little kid does meeting Santa for the first time. Happy but a little scared.
Her face was lit up, I can't really explain it, but she had something like a light on her face.
It only lasted maybe 10-15 seconds and then she slumped back into the same semi-concious state, more asleep than awake.
What the heck was that??
My cousin said that she thinks it was my Aunt's spirit standing there to greet her into heaven.
Whatever it was, it sure has me bothered. What did she see? Could a spirit have come hours before her death and pulled her up like that?? I don't like things I can't understand and this is so completely beyond anything I've ever experienced I'm at a loss.
Has this happened to any of the rest of you or am I only the one who has been this lucky? I feel half sick just writing about it.
Well, any suggestions would be appreciated.
Please don't tell me I have ghosts wandering around, I'm freaked out enough.
Sounds somewhat like the story about Reagan coming out of his Alzheimer induced condition for a bit before he died. It hardly sounds like it was a bad thing, you should take some comfort in that.
Startling, no doubt.
The only truly odd thing that ever happened to me was an "out of body" experience. I've always had waking dreams, which are rather frightening as they are um, more real than regular dreams, and once I drifted into a sort of waking dream and all of a sudden I was floating away and looking at my sleeping body.
I certainly knew what was actually going on in my apartment at the time and could tell exactly what was happening elsewhere when it went on. I heard a rush of footsteps behind me and realized I'd left my poor body "unprotected" (whatever that means) and paniced because I didn't know how to get "back..."
Next thing I knew I was sitting bolt upright in bed, and was able to relate word for word what was on the TV and a phone conversation going on at that time.
There is more going on in this "reality" than we are normally aware of. I do think you got to witness something very good, ma'am.
Arturo_Vandelay
Aug 8 2005, 11:30 PM
I've heard a couple interesting stories from nurses who said they could feel a spirit move through them right at the time of a patient's death.
I remember when my Grandmother passed away for quite a while afterwards I could smell Lysol off and on. My Mom never used Lysol, but it was my most memorable thought of her home. (smell is a very powerful sence when it comes to memory)
It's odd I didn't connect anything for years. She wasn't my favorite Grandparent and now I feel a little guilty for not being closer to her.
I did find an interesting discussion with quite a few helpful posts.
http://www.pbs.org/witheyesopen/after_forum.htmlQUOTE
My mother passed away on mothersday this year. Her death was beautiful. I was with her and helt her hand while she was passing. We played soft music with the sounds of birds chirping and waterfalls. All my brothers and sisters were there. I actually helped her to relax by talking about her favorite things in nature that she loved. That was beautiful but it even got better when she came to me in a dream and told me how proud she was of me and how much she loved me and then said thankyou for helping her pass. She told me she was at a new playground where there is no more pain. I miss her a lot but I know I will see her again.I hope when I die, I will do it as nicely as she did so everyone who is there can feel good about death and the process.
Jacqueline
Michigan
SpaceCowboy
Aug 8 2005, 11:48 PM
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Aug 8 2005, 06:27 PM)
I've heard a couple interesting stories from nurses who said they could feel a spirit move through them right at the time of a patient's death.
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I felt hat sense when my mom passed away. It was the only time I have been present at a death, but the sense of a presence passing was very strong.
Arturo_Vandelay
Aug 9 2005, 12:08 AM
From a lot of reading I get the feeling many people have feelings they never communicate. Maybe for fear people will think they're nutty or something.
It amazes so many people will say they believe in God, heaven etc, then how few are willing to think or talk about experiences that give credence to an afterlife in any real sense. As if going past mere faith into reality is the last thing they want.
If energy doesn't dissappear then it exists even if it changes form, and assuming the big bang is a fact we all came from the same initial energy/matter source.
SpaceCowboy
Aug 9 2005, 12:23 AM
From Arturo's site - an experience much like Sherry's.
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I do believe in life after death. When dad died he looked up into the corner of the room and said "that's beautiful"
It is in that ransition that he was ready to leave.
He had cancer all through his body.
Barb
Florida
http://www.pbs.org/witheyesopen/after_forum.html
Arturo_Vandelay
Aug 9 2005, 12:31 AM
That was my second choice to post. Also Googled another site. I've read a LOT of books on NDEs, hauntings, the paranormal, but only fairly recently does it seem there is a lot of more scientific study.
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research11.html"In the NDE, you are unconscious. One of the things we know about brain function in unconsciousness, is that you cannot create images and if you do, you cannot remember them ... The brain isn’t functioning. It’s not there. It’s destroyed. It’s abnormal. But, yet, it can produce these very clear experiences [NDEs] ... an unconscious state is when the brain ceases to function. For example, if you faint, you fall to the floor, you don’t know what’s happening and the brain isn’t working. The memory systems are particularly sensitive to unconsciousness. So, you won’t remember anything. But, yet, after one of these experiences [NDEs], you come out with clear, lucid memories ... This is a real puzzle for science. I have not yet seen any good scientific explanation which can explain that fact." (Dr. Peter Fenwick)
SpaceCowboy
Aug 9 2005, 02:18 AM
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Aug 8 2005, 07:28 PM)
That was my second choice to post. Also Googled another site. I've read a LOT of books on NDEs, hauntings, the paranormal, but only fairly recently does it seem there is a lot of more scientific study.
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research11.html"In the NDE, you are unconscious. One of the things we know about brain function in unconsciousness, is that you cannot create images and if you do, you cannot remember them ... The brain isn’t functioning. It’s not there. It’s destroyed. It’s abnormal. But, yet, it can produce these very clear experiences [NDEs] ... an unconscious state is when the brain ceases to function. For example, if you faint, you fall to the floor, you don’t know what’s happening and the brain isn’t working. The memory systems are particularly sensitive to unconsciousness. So, you won’t remember anything. But, yet, after one of these experiences [NDEs], you come out with clear, lucid memories ... This is a real puzzle for science. I have not yet seen any good scientific explanation which can explain that fact." (Dr. Peter Fenwick)
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Fascinating site.
One of many interesting stories:
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Rev. George Rodonaia: In Dr. Raymond Moody's documentary entitled, Life After Life, he interviewed a Russian scientist named Dr. George Rodonaia, who had a near-death experience during which he observed an infant crying in a nearby room. George observed that no one could figure out why the infant was crying so persistently. But George learned while out of his body that the infant had a broken arm. When George returned to life, he told the infant's parents about the broken arm. An x-ray revealed that the infant's arm was indeed broken. This same incident is documented in Dr. Melvin Morse's book (along with Paul Perry) called Transformed by the Light. The following excerpt from "Transformed by the Light" describes George's observation of this infant while he was out of his body. Note that in Dr. Morse's book, he refers to George by his Russian name "Yuri".
[During his NDE and while outside of his body], Yuri could go visit his family. He saw his grieving wife and their two sons, both too small to understand that their father had been killed. Then he visited his next-door neighbor.
They had a new child, born a couple of days before Yuri's death. Yuri could tell that they were upset by what happened to him. But they were especially distressed by the fact that their child would not stop crying.
No matter what they did he continued to cry. When he slept it was short and fitful and then he would awaken, crying again. They had taken him back to the doctors but they were stumped. All the usual things such as colic were ruled out and they sent them home hoping the baby would eventually settle down.
While there in this disembodied state, Yuri discovered something:
"l could talk to the baby. It was amazing. I could not talk to the parents - my friends - but I could talk to the little boy who had just been born. I asked him what was wrong. No words were exchanged, but I asked him maybe through telepathy what was wrong. He told me that his arm hurt. And when he told me that, I was able to see that the bone was twisted and broken."
Eventually the doctor from Moscow came to perform the autopsy on Yuri. When they moved his body from the cabinet to a gurney, his eyes flickered. The doctor became suspicious and examined his eyes. When they responded to light, he was immediately wheeled to emergency surgery and saved.
Yuri told his family about being "dead." No one believed him until he began to provide details about what he saw during his travels out of body. Then they became less skeptical. His diagnosis on the baby next door did the trick. He told of visiting them that night and of their concern over their new child. He told them that he had talked to the baby and discovered that he had a greenstick fracture of his arm. The parents took the child to a doctor and he x-rayed the arm only to discover that Yuri's very long-distance diagnosis was right. (Rev. George Rodonaia)
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research11.html
SpaceCowboy
Aug 9 2005, 02:25 AM
One more from the same site:
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Dr. Pim van Lommel: In January of 2001, near-death experiences and near-death research earned greater scientific respect and credibility when the findings of a particular NDE study were published. The distinguished British medical journal The Lancet published an article by Dr. Pim van Lommel of the Rijnstate Hospital in the Netherlands on the first large-scale study of NDEs which he conducted.
His study began in 1988 and lasted 13 years. It included 344 survivors of cardiac arrest from 10 Dutch hospitals. Of these 344 survivors, 18 percent experienced a NDE. And because Lommel and his staff conducted follow-up interviews with these patients over many years, they were able to rule out such factors as apoxia, seizures, medication, etc. Lommel's findings confirmed prior research findings conducted by other near-death researchers. It confirmed that NDEs are real and they cannot be explained by physiological or psychological causes alone. Lommel also accepted the implication that consciousness survives death and that consciousness is not completely dependant upon the brain.
Lommel noted that only 10 seconds after the heart stops beating, the electroencephalogram goes dead. At this point, there is no activity in the brain cortex and the brain cannot manufacture visions. Within 10 minutes, brain stem activity ceases and irreparable brain damage can occur. However, Lommel notes that some patients still reported being conscious at this point. One particular example cited by Lommel is a man who came into the hospital already blue from a lack of oxygen. The hospital staff spent 90 minutes trying to resuscitate him, using artificial respiration, heart massage and defibrillation, before they could move him to intensive care where he was remained in a coma for a week with brain damage. But when the patient regained consciousness, he was able to describe events that occurred around him while he was brain damaged and out of his body. This veridical evidence comes from a coronary-care-unit nurse who reported the veridical out-of-body experience of the comatose patient:
During a night shift an ambulance brings in a 44-year-old cyanotic, comatose man into the coronary care unit. He had been found about an hour before in a meadow by passers-by. After admission, he receives artificial respiration without intubation, while heart massage and defibrillation are also applied. When we wanted to intubate the patient, he turns out to have dentures in his mouth. I remove these upper dentures and put them onto the crash car. Meanwhile, we continue extensive CPR. After about an hour and a half the patient has sufficient heart rhythm and blood pressure, but he is still ventilated and intubated, and he is still comatose. He is transferred to the intensive care unit to continue the necessary artificial respiration. Only after more than a week do I meet again with the patient, who is by now back on the cardiac ward. I distribute his medication. The moment he sees me he says:
"Oh, that nurse knows where my dentures are."
I am very surprised. Then he elucidates:
"Yes, you were there when I was brought into hospital and you took my dentures out of my mouth and put them onto that car, it had all these bottles on it and there was this sliding drawer underneath and there you put my teeth."
I was especially amazed because I remembered this happening while the man was in deep coma and in the process of CPR. When I asked further, it appeared the man had seen himself lying in bed, that he had perceived from above how nurses and doctors had been busy with CPR. He was also able to describe correctly and in detail the small room in which he had been resuscitated as well as the appearance of those present like myself. At the time that he observed the situation he had been very much afraid that we would stop CPR and that he would die. And it is true that we had been very negative about the patient's prognosis due to his very poor medical condition when admitted. The patient tells me that he desperately and unsuccessfully tried to make it clear to us that he was still alive and that we should continue CPR. He is deeply impressed by his experience and says he is no longer afraid of death. Four weeks later he left hospital as a healthy man." (Dr. Pim Van Lommel)
Arturo_Vandelay
Aug 9 2005, 02:49 AM
I've read some of Moody's books. He's more or less a pioneer in the field, but a bit on the Art Bell side to get much serious consideration. I've seen some psychologists explanations, but I have no more respect for their explanations than for the various NDE accounts direct from patients.
SherryB
Aug 9 2005, 03:37 AM
I've heard alot about the soul leaving the body and hovering a bit before leaving so my little bro and I kept telling her, "go to the light mama, go to the light." When she took her last 4 breaths we new she was going so we kept telling her that. When she stopped breathing we waved at the ceiling and said "bye mama bye, it's ok, you can go, go for the light." So if she hovered there she knew we weren't crying.
I figure that if what I'd read was right, then we did the right thing.
The part that bothered me was the sitting up in bed like that. SHE didn't do that. There was something (someone) else that PULLED her up. She was unable to lift her arm or even suck on a straw. There had to have been a spirit in the room. or something. She just sat up, fast, no struggle to get up, just up with no help from her arms, it seemed like something took ahold of her around her chest and pulled her up straight.
Whatever she saw, she was happy to see it (or them)because of the look on her face.
I sure hope when I die the same guy comes for me. or it. whatever.
I have premonitions all the time and I always follow them because when I don't, I'm sorry. My husband follows them now too because he laughed at a couple and saw what happens.
A couple of months ago I had such a premonition about earthquakes that I couldn't help myself, I had to get earthquake insurance on this house. The agent laughed and said, well, there were a couple of people that had it, but I didn't really need it in this area. I prevailed and got it. We'll see.
I heard tonight they are predicting a major earthquake along the Mississippi, that something is rumbling. If my foundation gets cracked or the house bounces off it's foundation, I HAVE INSURANCE. If not, it's only a few bucks anyway.
I'm so glad I have you guys to talk to about this, I have nobody else. My husband would get so creeped out we'd have to move. He is NOT one you can talk to about stuff like this. Freaks him out.
Good move on the insurance. The insurance you probably won't need is the cheapest anyway. I owe a LOT to good insurance.
Nomarchy
Nov 1 2005, 09:17 PM
I don't know where else to put this:
Today I was informed by the 'competent' Department secretary that a colleague and I, who had 'substitute taught' another faculty member's classes for 6 weeks while he was on paternity leave (our last day of instruction was Oct 20) would not get paid until about Nov 21!!!!
The 'explanation' from payroll was the following: If we get the requests/authorizations for 'special pay' near the end of the month, we don't process them until the 15th of the next month. With all the necessary formalities, the checks are 'cut' within a week of that date.
Arturo_Vandelay
Nov 2 2005, 01:41 AM
I lost a whole weeks vacation thanks to payroll/HR once. I'm not sure it counts as a strange happening or SNAFU.
Human Ills
Nov 5 2005, 04:13 AM
Keep a log.
WILL hold up in court, as long as the entries are consistent.
Nomarchy
Nov 6 2005, 09:20 AM
QUOTE(Human Ills @ Nov 4 2005, 08:10 PM)
Keep a log.
WILL hold up in court, as long as the entries are consistent.
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That's funny. Anyway, it looks like I was able to get things resolved. I vented my spleen privately, and then typed a fabulous e-mail to the woman in charge. And, it worked.
Anyway, on this consistency thingie . . . people can be consistently wrong or consistently malicious.
roserose
Nov 6 2005, 07:19 PM
Per Noma: "Anyway, on this consistency thingie . . . people can be consistently wrong or consistently malicious."
Right, wrong, sing along.
Sometimes I hum the constances.
roserose
Nov 8 2005, 03:24 AM
The story of 50 Cent being shot nine times has been repeated so often it's become pop folklore, told again and again through his hit songs, videos, cameo appearances, recent autobiography _ and now, his new movie.
SherryB
Nov 10 2005, 05:30 AM
I was listening to NPR today and Blair Underwood was being interviewed about his new book about kids.
The title is "Before I came here" is about what kids say about what happened before they were born.
One of my sons was telling me a long story about something he did and I finally asked him "when did you do that?", he said "before I came here I was a girl".
I've had similar conversations with my other kids but kind of blew them off, but this conversation was long and detailed, hence my interest.
I wonder if we all haven't been meeting before and again.
There's a woman at Walmart I swear I know and she seems to know me well and I'm absolutely sure I've never met her before. At least in this life.
Anyway, Underwood's book sounds good.
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