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patheticJT
QUOTE (inyerface @ Feb 2 2009, 05:59 PM) *
as proven by the stimulus vote


and if bush had proposed it a month ago, certainly you would have supported it.
inyerface
speak for yourself
patheticJT
QUOTE (inyerface @ Feb 2 2009, 05:59 PM) *
as proven by the stimulus vote



you prove your own ass a nine logic.

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inyerface

jerkin off again eh?
Davis 2.0
QUOTE (BrooklynBill @ Feb 2 2009, 12:24 PM) *
The guy can't make up his mind, because he doesn't have any principles.


Says you. You've already wrote him off and it's 12 days in. <shakes head>

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He won't end any of these wars, which, as I'm sure you know, are farking disasters for this nation.


I supported the Afghanistan invasion. A multi-national force. But it may be too late now. With the infusion of massive amounts of drug money....

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If his opposition to these wars were sincere, he would have a complete withdrawal timetable for all forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. All of his actions point to more of the same, as far as foreign policy is concerned. The plans for a civilian national security force have already been drawn up, I posted it the military thread.


Don't be stupid. At least give him half a chance. Jeez, he would have a [i]complete withdrawal timetable for all forces in Iraq and Afghanistan[/i] YOU DEMAND THAT IMMEDIATELY?

Too god damned bad. It will take time whether you like it or not. Jesus Christ, what a world.
BrooklynBill
QUOTE (Davis 2.0 @ Feb 2 2009, 06:40 PM) *
Says you. You've already wrote him off and it's 12 days in. <shakes head>


I've formulated my opinions based on his words and actions up to this point. The guy is a windsock, he has no principles which are visibally discernable.

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I supported the Afghanistan invasion. A multi-national force. But it may be too late now. With the infusion of massive amounts of drug money....


Afghanistan hepled bring the Soviet Union to an abrupt end. The US or any other force cannot pacify those people. As long as the US is there, bodies will continue to pile up.

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Don't be stupid. At least give him half a chance. Jeez, he would have a [i]complete withdrawal timetable for all forces in Iraq and Afghanistan[/i] YOU DEMAND THAT IMMEDIATELY?

Too god damned bad. It will take time whether you like it or not. Jesus Christ, what a world.


A chance? The guy has contradicted himself since day one.

If he was serious about a complete withdrawal, he could have the military draw up a workable plan. He has no desire to end US militarism and change foreign policy.
patheticJT
QUOTE (inyerface @ Feb 2 2009, 06:38 PM) *
jerkin off again eh?


Yeah. I heard you upgraded from a male sheep to a male goat.

inyerface

enjoy
underhi2p
QUOTE (BrooklynBill @ Feb 2 2009, 01:53 PM) *
I've formulated my opinions based on his words and actions up to this point. The guy is a windsock, he has no principles which are visibally discernable.



Does anyone know if The Baby Jesus has formulated his position on space research?


Davis 2.0
QUOTE (BrooklynBill @ Feb 2 2009, 12:53 PM) *
I've formulated my opinions based on his words and actions up to this point. The guy is a windsock, he has no principles which are visibally discernable.



Afghanistan hepled bring the Soviet Union to an abrupt end. The US or any other force cannot pacify those people. As long as the US is there, bodies will continue to pile up.



A chance? The guy has contradicted himself since day one.

If he was serious about a complete withdrawal, he could have the military draw up a workable plan. He has no desire to end US militarism and change foreign policy.



OK, you've made up your mind. No reason for me to even discuss it further until something happens.
beasty
QUOTE (underhi2p @ Feb 2 2009, 12:30 PM) *
Does anyone know if The Baby Jesus has formulated his position on space research?



It will create astronaut jobs are a few billion a piece, to he's probably for it.
Davis 2.0
There's a new decider in town. But that won't stop Republican political generals from making trouble. Do your job ya SF.

US-IRAQ: Generals Seek to Reverse Obama Withdrawal Decision
By Gareth Porter*

WASHINGTON, Feb 2 (IPS) - CENTCOM commander Gen. David Petraeus, supported by Defence Secretary Robert Gates, tried to convince President Barack Obama that he had to back down from his campaign pledge to withdraw all U.S. combat troops from Iraq within 16 months at an Oval Office meeting Jan. 21.

But Obama informed Gates, Petraeus and Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen that he wasn't convinced and that he wanted Gates and the military leaders to come back quickly with a detailed 16-month plan, according to two sources who have talked with participants in the meeting.

Obama's decision to override Petraeus's recommendation has not ended the conflict between the president and senior military officers over troop withdrawal, however. There are indications that Petraeus and his allies in the military and the Pentagon, including Gen. Ray Odierno, now the top commander in Iraq, have already begun to try to pressure Obama to change his withdrawal policy.

A network of senior military officers is also reported to be preparing to support Petraeus and Odierno by mobilising public opinion against Obama's decision.

Petraeus was visibly unhappy when he left the Oval Office, according to one of the sources. A White House staffer present at the meeting was quoted by the source as saying, "Petraeus made the mistake of thinking he was still dealing with George Bush instead of with Barack Obama."

Petraeus, Gates and Odierno had hoped to sell Obama on a plan that they formulated in the final months of the Bush administration that aimed at getting around a key provision of the U.S.-Iraqi withdrawal agreement signed envisioned re-categorising large numbers of combat troops as support troops. That subterfuge was by the United States last November while ostensibly allowing Obama to deliver on his campaign promise.

Gates and Mullen had discussed the relabeling scheme with Obama as part of the Petraeus-Odierno plan for withdrawal they had presented to him in mid-December, according to a Dec. 18 New York Times story.

Obama decided against making any public reference to his order to the military to draft a detailed 16-month combat troop withdrawal policy, apparently so that he can announce his decision only after consulting with his field commanders and the Pentagon.

The first clear indication of the intention of Petraeus, Odierno and their allies to try to get Obama to amend his decision came on Jan. 29 when the New York Times published an interview with Odierno, ostensibly based on the premise that Obama had indicated that he was "open to alternatives".

The Times reported that Odierno had "developed a plan that would move slower than Mr. Obama's campaign timetable" and had suggested in an interview "it might take the rest of the year to determine exactly when United States forces could be drawn down significantly".

The opening argument by the Petraeus-Odierno faction against Obama's withdrawal policy was revealed the evening of the Jan. 21 meeting when retired Army Gen. Jack Keane, one of the authors of the Bush troop surge policy and a close political ally and mentor of Gen. Petraeus, appeared on the Lehrer News Hour to comment on Obama's pledge on Iraq combat troop withdrawal.

Keane, who had certainly been briefed by Petraeus on the outcome of the Oval Office meeting, argued that implementing such a withdrawal of combat troops would "increase the risk rather dramatically over the 16 months". He asserted that it would jeopardise the "stable political situation in Iraq" and called that risk "not acceptable".

The assertion that Obama's withdrawal policy threatens the gains allegedly won by the Bush surge and Petraeus's strategy in Iraq will apparently be the theme of the campaign that military opponents are now planning.

Keane, the Army Vice-Chief of Staff from 1999 to 2003, has ties to a network of active and retired four-star Army generals, and since Obama's Jan. 21 order on the 16-month withdrawal plan, some of the retired four-star generals in that network have begun discussing a campaign to blame Obama's troop withdrawal from Iraq for the ultimate collapse of the political "stability" that they expect to follow U.S. withdrawal, according to a military source familiar with the network's plans.

The source says the network, which includes senior active duty officers in the Pentagon, will begin making the argument to journalists covering the Pentagon that Obama's withdrawal policy risks an eventual collapse in Iraq. That would raise the political cost to Obama of sticking to his withdrawal policy.



If Obama does not change the policy, according to the source, they hope to have planted the seeds of a future political narrative blaming his withdrawal policy for the "collapse" they expect in an Iraq without U.S. troops.

That line seems likely to appeal to reporters covering the Iraq troop withdrawal issue. Ever since Obama's inauguration, media coverage of the issue has treated Obama' s 16-month withdrawal proposal as a concession to anti-war sentiment which will have to be adjusted to the "realities" as defined by the advice to Obama from Gates, Petreaus and Odierno.



The whole GD thing was going to devolve anyway. Now these CSers are going to try to blame it on Obama for political benefit of the Republican party. Party above all else I guess.


Ever since he began working on the troop surge, Keane has been the central figure manipulating policy in order to keep as many U.S. troops in Iraq as possible. It was Keane who got Vice President Dick Cheney to push for Petraeus as top commander in Iraq in late 2006 when the existing commander, Gen. George W. Casey, did not support the troop surge.

It was Keane who protected Petraeus's interests in ensuring the maximum number of troops in Iraq against the efforts by other military leaders to accelerate troop withdrawal in 2007 and 2008. As Bob Woodward reported in "The War Within", Keane persuaded President George W. Bush to override the concerns of the Joint Chiefs of Staff about the stress of prolonged U.S. occupation of Iraq on the U.S. Army and Marine Corps as well its impact on the worsening situation in Afghanistan.

Bush agreed in September 2007 to guarantee that Petraeus would have as many troops as he needed for as long as wanted, according to Woodward's account.

Keane had also prevailed on Gates in April 2008 to make Petraeus the new commander of CENTCOM. Keane argued that keeping Petraeus in the field was the best insurance against a Democratic administration reversing the Bush policy toward Iraq.

Keane had operated on the assumption that a Democratic president would probably not take the political risk of rejecting Petraeus's recommendation on the pace of troop withdrawal from Iraq. Woodward quotes Keane as telling Gates, "Let's assume we have a Democratic administration and they want to pull this thing out quickly, and now they have to deal with General Petraeus and General Odierno. There will be a price to be paid to override them."

Obama told Petraeus in Baghdad last July that, if elected, he would regard the overall health of the U.S. Army and Marine Corps and the situation in Afghanistan as more important than Petraeus's obvious interest in maximising U.S. troop strength in Iraq, according to Time magazine's Joe Klein.

But judging from Petraeus's shock at Obama's Jan. 21 decision, he had not taken Obama's previous rejection of his arguments seriously. That miscalculation suggests that Petraeus had begun to accept Keane's assertion that a newly-elected Democratic president would not dare to override his policy recommendation on troops in Iraq.

http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=45640
hunin
QUOTE (patheticJT @ Feb 2 2009, 10:44 AM) *
Government takes over, Obama apologizes
by Star Parker

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The Obama administration, completing its first full week, wasted no time getting priorities in order. First, issue formal apologies to the world, and then begin advancing massive, intrusive government at home.

The president chose Arab television, Al Arabiya, to give his first sit down interview. He took the opportunity to confirm the long held Arab view that the real problem is America and President Obama apologized on our behalf.


"...America was not born as a colonial power," he told the Arab viewing audience - implying we are now. And he regretfully confessed that "We sometimes make mistakes. We are not perfect."

Sorry, but weren't we the ones that were attacked? Do we not stand in long lines and disrobe in airports because of them? Does anyone recall anywhere, anytime hearing apologies from any Arab or Muslim leader?

At the annual World Economic Forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland, the president's confidant and advisor Valery Jarrett continued with apologies. This time to the world's business and political movers and shakers.

Ms. Jarrett told the crowd that this economic crisis did not occur by "happenstance" but is the result of our "profound irresponsibility."

And the Europeans, Asians, and Russians couldn't have agreed more.

"Chinese and Russian leaders blamed a free-wheeling U.S. financial system as the source of the global economic crisis," according the Wall Street Journal.

European Commission president Jose Manuel Barraso proclaimed confidently that "President Obama is moving toward a European-style model."

Our new president is a man of action as well as a man of words, so while he and his staff apologized to the world for who we have been, he began the task at home to make us a different country.

Under the pretense of economic stimulus, the president began in earnest his work to nationalize the American economy.

He lobbied all week for a pork-laden spending bill that, according to the Congressional Budget Office, will add another trillion dollars to our national debt, which is rapidly becoming as large as our gross domestic product - the value of all goods and services that Americans produce in one year.


What a crock. "We sometimes make mistakes. We are not perfect." is not an apology.

It is stating the obvious.

v "we never make mistakes. we are perfect."
hunin
QUOTE (SpaceCowboy @ Feb 2 2009, 11:10 AM) *
Star Parker national debt - No results prior to the Obama administration.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&cli...art=20&sa=N

I suppose Starr must have been asleep for the last 8 years.



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I suspect more Star Parkers will magically appear.

hunin
QUOTE (BrooklynBill @ Feb 2 2009, 11:21 AM) *
Space,

Why isn't the Left giving the Baby Jesus a hard time about his idiotic plan to send 30,000 additional troops to Afghanistan?

How long before they turn on his warmongering ass?


Results is the key. If none, well, jetison.

BushInc never even tried in Afghanistan. Trying counts.

The wisdom to know when to say when is vital, of course.

Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE (hunin @ Feb 2 2009, 04:58 PM) *
Results is the key. If none, well, jetison.

BushInc never even tried in Afghanistan. Trying counts.



Trying what? It isn't turning into Iran or Iraq anytime soon. It's barely turning into a better Afghanistan soon. The only reasoning behind harping on Afghanistan was as a foil to Iraq. Proof the left wasn't cut and run even as they touted nothing but cut and run.
Davis 2.0
No way. I supported Afghanistan 100 %. Then they said invade Iraq and I said SAY WHAT? That's when I met you fine folks. They used 9/11 as a vehicle for a war they knew the public would never accept.
underhi2p
QUOTE (hunin @ Feb 2 2009, 06:58 PM) *
Results is the key. If none, well, jetison.

BushInc never even tried in Afghanistan. Trying counts.

The wisdom to know when to say when is vital, of course.



Thankfully, the issues to be fixed up farking good in 2009 was put together to measure the results.

If The Baby Jesus don't measure up, hopefully, the 'lectorate will jettison his half-white ass.
BrooklynBill
QUOTE (hunin @ Feb 2 2009, 11:58 PM) *
Results is the key. If none, well, jetison.

BushInc never even tried in Afghanistan. Trying counts.

The wisdom to know when to say when is vital, of course.




The US is on the verge of an economic collapse and Obama wants to expand the war in Afghanistan. This is so insane, if it didn't have dire consequences, I would find it comedic. We should be cutting overseas, not expanding a war we can't even finance. If this keeps up, the US won't be able to finance its overseas operations, once things get really bad.

As I've said, JFK was the last real President this country had. Ever other occupant of the White House has been a figurehead for the military-industrial complex, including the Baby Jesus. He has no problems sending kids to die in an undeclared war. Like Bush, I can't stand the sight of him, he makes me physically ill.
underhi2p
QUOTE (Davis 2.0 @ Feb 2 2009, 07:15 PM) *
No way. I supported Afghanistan 100 %. Then they said invade Iraq and I said SAY WHAT? That's when I met you fine folks. They used 9/11 as a vehicle for a war they knew the public would never accept.



I sure hope you still support Afghanistan 100%.

The U.S. needs a whacked-out, left-wing constituency to apply pressure to The Baby Jesus to follow through on his promise to invade Pakistan and clean up Afghanistan.

This year's poppy crop will be assessed to see if The Baby Jesus does better than farking Bushie.

underhi2p
Paris rejects 'Obama-style' stimulus program
Bloomberg NewsPublished: February 2, 2009

LYON: Prime Minister François Fillon on Monday rejected demands that the French government seek to stimulate consumer spending, rather than follow his plan to stimulate corporate and infrastructure investment, to lift France out of its economic slump.

"It would be irresponsible to chose another policy, which would increase our country's indebtedness without having more infrastructure and increased competitiveness in the end," Fillon said in a speech in Lyon.

More than 1.1 million people took to the streets across France last Thursday, according to the Interior Ministry, with unions putting the number of protesters at 2.5 million, to call on President Nicolas Sarkozy to stop cutting government jobs, increase the minimum wage and spend more on households as the economy enters its first recession since 1993.

Opponents of the government have been calling for an "Obama-style" stimulus plan, one that puts money directly into the pockets of working people.

French unemployment rose by about 45,000 people in December, Finance Minister Christine Lagarde said Monday, taking the jobless ranks to the highest level in about two years.


http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/02/02/business/frecon.php

Obama-style
Davis 2.0
QUOTE (underhi2p @ Feb 2 2009, 06:22 PM) *
I sure hope you still support Afghanistan 100%.

The U.S. needs a whacked-out, left-wing constituency to apply pressure to The Baby Jesus to follow through on his promise to invade Pakistan and clean up Afghanistan.

This year's poppy crop will be assessed to see if The Baby Jesus does better than farking Bushie.



I also said it may be too late. Place looks like Columbia in the 80s.
hunin
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Feb 2 2009, 06:12 PM) *
Trying what? It isn't turning into Iran or Iraq anytime soon. It's barely turning into a better Afghanistan soon. The only reasoning behind harping on Afghanistan was as a foil to Iraq. Proof the left wasn't cut and run even as they touted nothing but cut and run.


The er, left never ever asserted that to my recall. At all.


We had just cause to invade Afghanistan to capture bin Laden mostly.
CharlieRay
QUOTE (BrooklynBill @ Feb 2 2009, 10:21 AM) *
Space,

Why isn't the Left giving the Baby Jesus a hard time about his idiotic plan to send 30,000 additional troops to Afghanistan?

How long before they turn on his warmongering ass?


I'm already starting to turn. sad.gif mad.gif sad.gif
CharlieRay
QUOTE (BrooklynBill @ Feb 2 2009, 11:24 AM) *
The guy can't make up his mind, because he doesn't have any principles. He won't end any of these wars, which, as I'm sure you know, are farking disasters for this nation. If his opposition to these wars were sincere, he would have a complete withdrawal timetable for all forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. All of his actions point to more of the same, as far as foreign policy is concerned. The plans for a civilian national security force have already been drawn up, I posted it the military thread.


I loath war.

I absolutely hate wars based on lies.
CharlieRay
QUOTE (hunin @ Feb 2 2009, 05:40 PM) *
The er, left never ever asserted that to my recall. At all.


We had just cause to invade Afghanistan to capture bin Laden mostly.


We didn't take any time to actually find out if we had just cause or not.

9-11 could not have happened without at least some support from elements of our government.

The drills and exercises going on at the same time was just waaaay too convenient... and that's only a very small part of the literal mountain of evidence against our 'just cause'.

Our government wanted to go into Afghanistan(see Taliban talks)... our government wanted to go into Iraq(see Saddam)... our people had to be convinced... they needed 9-11 and the anthrax attack.

Motive... means... opportunity... benefit from the crime...

Who more than US?

19 hi-jackers and some former CIA friendlies in caves on the other side of the planet?... ridiculous.

To deny all this is to ignore the blatant truth.
CharlieRay
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10153017-83.html

QUOTE
January 29, 2009 4:10 PM PST
'Obama worm' probably a student prank, experts say

Posted by Elinor Mills

A new Internet worm that displays an image of President Obama is likely a prank by a student, several security experts speculated on Thursday.

Walling Data, a distributor of AVG security software, said the worm it discovered on computers at an Illinois grade school spreads via external devices like USB drives and network shares. Once a week, on Mondays, it displays a photo of President Obama's face in the lower right corner of screens on infected computers, but otherwise appears to be more of a nuisance than a threat.

The worm looks like a variant of MAL_OTORUN code that spreads using thumb drives and network shares, said Jamz Yaneza, a senior threat analyst and researcher at Trend Micro.

"Someone played around with one of the many number of DIY malware kits and just added this small social engineering bait of Obama's picture," he wrote in an e-mail. Given that it lacks a malicious payload, "it is probably some prank by a student since today's 'serious' malware, as you may have noticed, would have at least installed a keylogger to steal some information."

Roger Thompson, owner of Thompson Security Labs who said he was informed about the worm from AVG, wrote on his Thompson Cyber Security Labs blog a note to administrators at the school where the worm was found: "There's some chance one of your students wrote it. Find your smartest, geekiest, dweebiest kid, and look hard at him. Remember, the geek shall inherit the earth."


Once a week, the Obama worm displays a picture of the president's face on infected PCs.(Credit: Walling Data/Roger Thompson)
hunin
QUOTE (CharlieRay @ Feb 2 2009, 07:24 PM) *
We didn't take any time to actually find out if we had just cause or not.

9-11 could not have happened without at least some support from elements of our government.

The drills and exercises going on at the same time was just waaaay too convenient... and that's only a very small part of the literal mountain of evidence against our 'just cause'.

Our government wanted to go into Afghanistan(see Taliban talks)... our government wanted to go into Iraq(see Saddam)... our people had to be convinced... they needed 9-11 and the anthrax attack.

Motive... means... opportunity... benefit from the crime...

Who more than US?

19 hi-jackers and some former CIA friendlies in caves on the other side of the planet?... ridiculous.

To deny all this is to ignore the blatant truth.



Not really.

Just not willing to swallow any BS.
underhi2p
This is a real farking shocker!

PROMISES, PROMISES: No lobbyists at WH, except

By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer Charles Babington, Associated Press Writer – Mon Feb 2, 7:17 pm ET

WASHINGTON – Barack Obama promised a "clean break from business as usual" in Washington. It hasn't quite worked out that way.

From the start, he made exceptions to his no-lobbyist rule. And now, embarrassing details about Cabinet-nominee Tom Daschle's tax problems and big paychecks from special interest groups are raising new questions about the reach and sweep of the new president's promised reforms.

Maybe he shouldn't have promised so much, some open-government advocates say. They're willing to cut him some slack — for now.

On Jan. 21, the day after his inauguration, Obama issued an executive order barring any former lobbyists who join his administration from dealing with matters or agencies related to their lobbying work. Nor could they join agencies they had lobbied in the previous two years.

However, William J. Lynn III, his choice to become the No. 2 official at the Defense Department, recently lobbied for military contractor Raytheon. And William Corr, tapped as deputy secretary at Health and Human Services, lobbied through most of last year as an anti-tobacco advocate. Corr says he will take no part in tobacco matters in the new administration.

"Even the toughest rules require reasonable exceptions," said White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs.

That was a big step back from Obama's unambiguous swipe at lobbyists in November 2007, while campaigning for the Democratic presidential nomination. "I don't take a dime of their money," he said, "and when I am president, they won't find a job in my White House."

The waivers granted for Lynn and Corr caused some in Washington to wince. But others, including many longtime advocates of tougher ethical standards, suggest it all says as much about deeply ingrained practices — and even necessities — in Washington as about a new president.

"Sometimes you can over-promise," said former Sen. Warren Rudman, a Republican from New Hampshire.

"This government is very complicated," he said. "Often you'll need people with a lot of experience in certain areas," and current or former lobbyists sometimes fit that bill best.

"It was probably a mistake to come down so hard on lobbyists," said Melanie Sloan, who is not shy about criticizing lobbyists or politicians as executive director of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. "I think the Obama folks' intentions were great here," she said. "But sometimes you realize you can't actually govern on just what you campaigned on."

Sloan and others said embarrassments over Daschle, one of several top Obama appointees with a history of influencing government for clients, should not detract from the president's first-day vow to sharply limit the role of lobbyists in his administration.

Daschle, a former senator tapped to head Health and Human Services, is not technically a lobbyist. But he was paid more than $5.2 million over the past two years as he advised health insurers and hospitals and worked in other industries such as energy and telecommunications.

Fred Wertheimer of Democracy21 is one of Washington's best-known advocates of more open and honest government. He called Obama's executive order "unprecedented and almost revolutionary in nature" and "a direct attack on the culture of Washington and the way business is done here."

"A few waivers will not undermine it," he said, provided they are justified and limited.

The best way to limit the influence of wealthy special interests, Wertheimer said, is to increase public funding for presidential elections and restrict the amount that private business can pump into campaigns and politics. That could pave the way for tighter restrictions on influence-peddling in Congress, he said.

Obama declined public financing for his campaign so he could raise and spend hundreds of millions of dollars on his own. Some people saw that a virtual death knell for campaign public financing, but Wertheimer said he believes Obama will deliver on aides' promises to help "repair the system."

Daschle, the former Senate majority leader from South Dakota, strikes many in Washington as a good example of why the revolving door between government and highly paid private-sector jobs can be troubling, but also why an outright ban on such movements would be unwise.

Even Republicans praised Daschle's cerebral, soft-spoken approach to government and politics, and his expertise on subjects including health care. He didn't choose to leave Congress for a high-paying job, but was defeated in a close re-election bid in 2004.

Once out, he was attractive and valuable to all sorts of government-regulated industries, even if he never registered as a lobbyist who could make straightforward appeals for or against legislation affecting his clients.

He received more than $2 million over two years as a senior policy adviser for the Washington law firm Alston & Bird. He also earned more than $2 million in consulting fees from InterMedia Advisors LLC of New York, an investment firm specializing in buyouts and industry consolidation. An associate let Daschle use his car and driver, for which Daschle had to pay late taxes and interest.

Several health groups also paid Daschle $15,000 or more to speak to their gatherings.

"He welcomed every opportunity to make his case to the American public at large, and the health industry in particular, that America can't afford to ignore the health care crisis any longer," said his spokeswoman Jenny Backus.

Wertheimer, of Democracy21, said that rather than dwell on Daschle's problems or the Corr and Lynn waivers, he focuses on Obama's executive order and the hope of progress to come on public financing of campaigns.

The executive order "laid down a mark," Wertheimer said. "More has to be done, and tough battles have to be won."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090203/ap_on_...form_promises_2

Repub_Bub
QUOTE (underhi2p @ Feb 3 2009, 07:29 AM) *
This is a real farking shocker!

PROMISES, PROMISES: No lobbyists at WH, except .....

ohmy.gif ohmy.gif ohmy.gif
Why didn't Hunin, Inyer, and other lefties use their legendary hindsight skills to warn us about this?
arebuntz
QUOTE (CharlieRay @ Feb 2 2009, 08:24 PM) *
19 hi-jackers and some former CIA friendlies in caves on the other side of the planet?... ridiculous.

To deny all this is to ignore the blatant truth.


Nineteen al queda members hijacked four commercial aircraft and crashed them into three buildings and a field...
inyerface
so you were told

you don't knoe sheit
underhi2p
QUOTE (Davis 2.0 @ Feb 2 2009, 07:34 PM) *
I also said it may be too late. Place looks like Columbia in the 80s.



I'm glad to see you're still behind The Baby Jesus's Afghanistan War 100%.

After all, the Afghanistan War is:

underhi2p
QUOTE (Repub_Bub @ Feb 3 2009, 10:03 AM) *
ohmy.gif ohmy.gif ohmy.gif
Why didn't Hunin, Inyer, and other lefties use their legendary hindsight skills to warn us about this?



Too busy hugging The Baby Jesus's nuts to notice.


underhi2p
QUOTE (arebuntz @ Feb 3 2009, 10:06 AM) *
Nineteen al queda members hijacked four commercial aircraft and crashed them into three buildings and a field...



Excuse me but I believe those aircraft were remote-controlled by Bush, Cheney, Rove and Libby.

See any Charlie Ray post for details.
arebuntz
Nineteen al queda members hijacked four commercial aircraft and crashed them into three buildings and a field...

QUOTE (inyerface @ Feb 3 2009, 10:07 AM) *
so you were told

you don't knoe sheit

underhi2p
Official: Performance czar withdraws candidacy

Feb 3 10:41 AM US/Eastern
By MICHAEL J. SNIFFEN and LIZ SIDOTI

Second Major Obama Administration Nominee to Withdraw


WASHINGTON (AP) - Nancy Killefer, who failed for a year and a half to pay employment taxes on household help, has withdrawn her candidacy to be the first chief performance officer for the federal government, the White House said Tuesday.

Killefer was the second major Obama administration nominee to withdraw and the third to have tax problems complicate their nomination after President Barack Obama announced their selection.

"Nancy Killefer has decided to withdraw her nomination, and we accepted her withdrawal," Tommy Vietor, a White House spokesman, said Tuesday. The 55-year-old executive with consulting giant McKinsey & Co., was expected to explain her reasons for pulling out later in the day.

When her selection was announced by Obama on Jan. 7, The Associated Press disclosed that in 2005 the District of Columbia government had filed a $946.69 tax lien on her home for failure to pay unemployment compensation tax on household help.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9...;show_article=1





Davis 2.0
Tammy Duckworth tapped for Assistant VA Secretary.»

Today, the Obama administration announced that the President intends to nominate veteran Tammy Duckworth to be Assistant Secretary of Public and Intergovernmental Affairs for the Department of Veterans Affairs. Duckworth, who lost both her legs serving in the Iraq war, is currently director of the Illinois Department of Veterans Affairs and ran for the House in the 2006 elections. From the Obama team’s press release:

As assistant secretary, Duckworth will direct VA’s public affairs, internal communications and intergovernmental relations. She also will oversee programs for homeless Veterans, consumer affairs and special rehabilitative events.

Duckworth was appointed director of the state Veterans office in Illinois in 2006. In previous testimony before Congress, she expressed her commitment to Veterans and the need for transformation of the Department. “The VA system faces new challenges as a result of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.” She also noted “the patient profile is changing. More wounded soldiers are surviving very serious injuries.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/03/duckworth-va/
patheticJT
Im beginning to see the pattern that is connected with Change............

Tax evasion by lefties........


Official: Performance czar withdraws candidacy

Feb 3 10:41 AM US/Eastern
By MICHAEL J. SNIFFEN and LIZ SIDOTI
Associated Press Writer Comments (92)


Second Major Obama Administration Nominee to Withdraw

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WASHINGTON (AP) - Nancy Killefer, who failed for a year and a half to pay employment taxes on household help, has withdrawn her candidacy to be the first chief performance officer for the federal government, the White House said Tuesday.
Killefer was the second major Obama administration nominee to withdraw and the third to have tax problems complicate their nomination after President Barack Obama announced their selection.


"Nancy Killefer has decided to withdraw her nomination, and we accepted her withdrawal," Tommy Vietor, a White House spokesman, said Tuesday. The 55-year-old executive with consulting giant McKinsey & Co., was expected to explain her reasons for pulling out later in the day.

When her selection was announced by Obama on Jan. 7, The Associated Press disclosed that in 2005 the District of Columbia government had filed a $946.69 tax lien on her home for failure to pay unemployment compensation tax on household help.

Since then, administration officials refused to answer questions about the tax error, which she resolved five months after the lien was filed. Obama's first choice for commerce secretary, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, took his name out of consideration when his confirmation appeared headed toward complications because of a grand jury investigation over how state contracts were issued to political donors.

More recently, Timothy Geithner was confirmed as Treasury secretary despite belatedly paying $34,000 in income taxes, and Tom Daschle is still waiting to see if his late payment of more than $128,000 in income taxes will harm his nomination to be health and human services secretary.



Another Traitor according to Biden, that Obama had selected.

This administration is turning into a three ring circus of Tax evaders.

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BrooklynBill
Pro-Abortion Marie Stopes Eager for American Funds to Promote Abortion in Kenya
By Kathleen Gilbert

NAIROBI, Kenya, February 2, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The leader of the Kenyan division of Marie Stopes, one of the worlds largest abortion providers, has told an AP reporter that he is eager to receive American funds now that President Obama has rescinded the Mexico City Policy.

"Family planning was not given the prominence it needs" when the policy was still in effect, said director Dr. Walter Odhiambo in an AP report.

The Mexico City Policy is a Reagan-era directive that prohibits pro-abortion overseas organizations from receiving American taxpayer dollars. Obama repealed the policy three days after his inauguration, making hundreds of millions in foreign aid money available to such groups.

Thanks to the policy, abortion facilities that would have made abortion available to Kenyan women were forced to close, and contraception became less available, according to Marie Stops Kenya.

Now groups like Marie Stopes Kenya, who were "limping along" on European aid, are lining up to apply for American aid.

Marie Stopes International, founded by the British eugenicist of the same name, provides for abortions in at least 40 countries. The group reported having received $100 million in "amounts receivable for the provision of services" in 2006. Like other abortion groups such as Planned Parenthood International, Marie Stopes plays a prominent role lobbying for pro-abortion legislation in traditionally pro-life countries.

Pro-life voices in Kenya have denounced the encroachment of the foreign-funded abortion culture as a threat to the deeply pro-life Kenyan people, who are now faced with a bill that would legalize abortion. Kenyan secular and religious leaders have condemned the bill in no uncertain terms, saying that innocent unborn child must not be destroyed for convenience.

"It is hypocritical to cry over the death of those we can see while we condemn those we can't," said Raymond Mutura, the president of the Voice of the Family in Africa International, in Kenya's Daily Nation news service.

Dr. Stephen Karanja, head of the Catholic Doctors' Association of Kenya, condemned Obama's decision to open the floodgates of American dollars to aid the lobbying efforts of such organizations.

"We in Kenya know him (Obama) as a person who is anti-family," he said, following Obama's November election victory. "A person who would support abortion. In America they can do all right killing their babies. But they must not associate us with the people who would want our babies to be killed."

Dr. Karanja said that 90 percent of those in Kenya polled over the last twenty years consider abortion to be an "abomination."

Describing the various pro-abortion "family planning" agencies that are putting pressure on Kenya to adopt pro-abortion legislation, he said: "Those organisations that come to our country ... we don't need them. We don't need them at all. They come in our country for the purposes of trying to sell an ideology to us, an ideology we do not need."

Dr. Karanja criticized the concept that poorer countries such as Kenya benefitted from organizations pushing population control.

"The only resource we have that is truly ours," he said, "is our people. Don't attack them and we'll be alright. And this administration of Obama, is going to be a nightmare for our people."

See related LifeSiteNews.com articles:

Obama Revokes Abortion Funding Policy, Will Fund Overseas Abortions with Taxpayer Money
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2003/aug/03082702.html

Prominent Kenyan Physician: "This Administration of Obama, is Going to be a Nightmare for Our People"
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/nov/08111003.html

Marie Stopes Global Abortion Petition Yields Less than 500 Signatures
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/sep/08091201.html

British Government Chooses Hitler-Loving Abortion Movement Pioneer for Stamps
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/sep/08090204.html

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/feb/09020210.html
underhi2p
QUOTE (BrooklynBill @ Feb 3 2009, 12:14 PM) *
Pro-Abortion Marie Stopes Eager for American Funds to Promote Abortion in Kenya
By Kathleen Gilbert



Funding abortions oversees will reduce costs.

Ask Nomarchy and Puff Hunin.

They have a much better grasp of the issue than I.


This was the number one priority of The Baby Jesus's Administration.
BrooklynBill
QUOTE (underhi2p @ Feb 3 2009, 05:20 PM) *
Funding abortions oversees will reduce costs.

Ask Nomarchy and Puff Hunin.

They have a much better grasp of the issue than I.


This was the number one priority of The Baby Jesus's Administration.


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Why the frak should we subsidize abortion and other eugenics programs?
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QUOTE (BrooklynBill @ Feb 3 2009, 10:23 AM) *
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Why the frak should we subsidize abortion and other eugenics programs?



Because they're eugenics programs?
patheticJT
QUOTE (BrooklynBill @ Feb 3 2009, 05:23 PM) *
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Why the frak should we subsidize abortion and other eugenics programs?



because it will make fashionable lefties consciences feel better and other countries will like us. rolleyes.gif
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Palin And Daschle

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Someone should make the point that the theory on which Daschle did not pay taxes on an extraordinary non-salary benefit provided by his employer (car and driver) is exactly the theory on which Palin did not pay taxes on an extraordinary benefit (free air travel for her children, and 60 dollar per day per diem payments for use of her own house).

Palin never paid back taxes but simply produced a squirrelly letter from her lawyers saying that someone could believe in good faith that taxes were not owed on the travel or per diems she received, so her failure to report those items as income was excusable.


But Daschle is a librul elitist! And Palin's hot. That's the counter-argument, right?


http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/

A fair point, I think.

A pox on both their entitled feeling arses.
SpaceCowboy
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Daschle withdraws as nominee for HHS secretary
Feb 3 12:54 PM US/Eastern

WASHINGTON (AP) - Tom Daschle has withdrawn his nomination to be Health and Human Services secretary.

That's according to a joint White House statement from President Barack Obama and his former nominee.

Obama said Tuesday he accepted the withdrawal "with sadness and regret."

Daschle has been battling for his nomination since it was disclosed he failed to pay more than $120,000 in taxes.

He said he's withdrawing because he's not a leader who has the full faith of Congress and will be a distraction.


Good.

Limousine Lib and a corporate ho.
underhi2p
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But Daschle is a librul elitist! And Palin's hot. That's the counter-argument, right?

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/

A fair point, I think.

A pox on both their entitled feeling arses.



Not really.

Palin is a woman and a Republican.

Daschle is the former Senate leader, a male and Democrat.

underhi2p
QUOTE (SpaceCowboy @ Feb 3 2009, 01:17 PM) *
Good.

Limousine Lib and a corporate ho.



Good move.


Now if Joey Three Iraqs Biden quits, it'll be even better.

underhi2p
QUOTE (BrooklynBill @ Feb 3 2009, 12:23 PM) *
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Why the frak should we subsidize abortion and other eugenics programs?



The Planned Parenthood eugenics program hasn't work out too well here in the States.

Maybe, they'll have better luck in Kenya.



patheticJT
Man the Obama Press Secretary sucks, he's starting to get grilled. He wont give out any information. what is this Bushie Light?
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