RB, we have that now, it's called the four year compulsory high school where, by state law, most have to remain in until 18 YO. Granted we need more technical HS for those not academically inclined. I wouldn't mind seeing JROTC for all boys in HS and have them wear their uniforms all day, everyday. It would have a sobering effect on the whole school.

Butler was a Quaker and his religion got the best of him and he truned away from something he was good at, military leadership. I think it is not wise for Quakers to serve in the military because they have a fight of their own going on in their brains. Butler, "The Fighting Quaker", lost his battle to serve in the military and took the side of his church which sees most thing not in keeping with the normal world of a Democratic Republic and what it takes to keep it safe and secure so the church and its members can think and say, without impunity, what they profess as a belief.

Building something new, that which has never been done before, is difficult but I think our Founders did a rather excellent job in laying out the plan and establishing a guide, The Constitution, which got all this started. We built it from scratch, having lots of problems, amending the foundation, etc., but the product, our Nation, has accomplished some remarkable feats here at home and then across the world fighting and establishing freedom in many places in our short time as a Democratic Republic, the Leader of the Free World.

It is sad that we have so many shallow and egocentric** minded people still looking for something that is a "gimme, gimme type gubmit" which is set up to take from the smart and gives to the lazy and their whole world is just a bed of roses.


**Concerned chiefly or only with oneself: “Selfish men were . . . trying to make capital for themselves out of the sacred cause of human rights” (Maria Weston Chapman).

Sounds like Friend Judy. I'm just not sure that works. It's an unresolvable conflict going on inside.

I've never been able to understand how they reconcile the fact that their beliefs are protected by the forces they condemn - doesn't make sense!

our freedom is under attack from within

who's protecting what?

you spout talking points that have no weight

We built it from scratch?

I can understand a strong sense of pride and patriotism, but this is delusional.

But, you're not a fascist at heart. Nooooo!

No, he just wants to see boys in uniform.

I just think personal discipline is important and it's needed in our HSs today. Pride in one's self (oneself) is important, IMO.

Discipline is a four letter word to most lefties there LP.

Obama's Karl Rove ...
Posted by: Matt Lewis at 9:06 AM
Noting the public fight between Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner and political adviser David Axelrod -- over the policy substance of the bank bailout -- Bill Pascoe points out blatant media hypocrisy over at CQ:


Substitute the name “Henry Paulson” for “Timothy Geithner,” and “Karl Rove” for “David Axelrod,” and then imagine the firestorm that would have erupted had The Times reported that Rove was arguing with Mr. Paulson over the finer points of how to spend hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars.

Oh, wait. As I recall, there WAS outrage every time Rove’s fingerprints were detected on anything other than a direct mail piece for George W. Bush . And yet, somehow, the mainstream media passed right over the Axelrod-Geithner story with a collective yawn.

Ah, Change We Can Believe In. Requiet in pacem.

This, of course, just illustrates the media double-standard. Glamorous successful Democratic consultants like Carville and Axelrod are treated as geniuses, while winning Republican operatives are portrayed as "evil geniuses" ...

Every single time. Rove was the press whipping boy whenever Cheney wouldn't work.



It's time for a fairness doctine covering the MSM.

That's only for talk radio..

  Soros tried to start his own talk and it failed. Maybe they just need more money.

Or talent, or something.

Or it may be that Democrats and "liberals" just don't like to listen to talk radio like Rush fans do.

Personally I don't like boisterous, obnoxious ass holes. So that leaves rightwing radio off my list.

Yes, but do you listen to Air America?

I'm just not much of a talk listener. About the only time I listen to talk is when I run out of FM reception on the way from here to Houston.

LEFTIES PREFER LATTE DRINKING LEFTY ASSHOLES ON TV LIKE KEITH OLBERMANN AND CHRIS MATTHEWS.

You wouldn't be an Olberman fan then.

Stephanie Miller is great

so is Randi Rhodes

Good thing we dont have any boisterous, obnoxious left wing assholes here at cspan sucks.

most well mannnered lefties use terms like dick head and lint licker when beginning a logical argument, around here.

I hear ya. Plus, I don't need any kind of propaganda hand fed to my brain for hours on end.

I watched once in a while for the guests that no one else would have but he isn't my favorite by any stretch. I don't like Michael Moore either.

Commercial talk radio... NGR exempt...

maybe I should post a bunch of spam here for an answer

that must be how your little brain works

or in your case, doesn't

Goes for all media. I'd love to see some fairness doctrine on faux newstainment and CNN.

Assuming that there was a sincerely concerted effort to rid the airwaves of right wing talk radio...

What do you think the aftermath might be?

Hey can you f___ing lovers exchange emails and take your f____ing bullsh_t elsewhere so we dont have to wade through it?

Ignore each other for f___s sake. What a complete f___ing pollution f____ing waste of f____ing time and space on the board that WE ALL ENJOY.

Let the censor take over...I'd much rather see farking than all the "__"

I dont give a sh_t. They can't be shut down soon enough for me. If I want to listen to a bunch of lying bullsh_t I come here and read LP's (and others) posts.

A lot of good people died fighting fascism and they didn't finish the job.

You might give a poop when the Repubs regain power...

as in ...never?

the 911 thread shows what you asswipes do with power

They already did it.

"Waaaaah the liburul media!" but that piece of sh_t reagan got elected somehow. Then the republican filth undid those (fairness doctrine/equal time etc) protections for all Americans to start their corporate funded completely one sided and utterly dishonest propaganda wing under the guise of "journalism" and "free speech".

This is like reading a post from Inyer's big brother....

So admit defeat, don't read it, and f___ off. It's that easy. I'm tired of dealing with your lying bullsh_t anyway.

I guess the reason you're a clown is that ...your head is too big to stuff up your ass.

a lying a-hole AND you are unoriginal in that you can't come up with your own jokes/burns.

Me too.

I'll be suing Fox News and MSNBC to give me equal time to counterbalance Kent Olbermann and Sean Puffy Hannity.

since hannity doesn't have his blow up doll any more I think he and olbermann should have a show. THAT would be perfect. THAT'S what I call equal time.

Not me.

It's not balanced.

I want my own show.

That'd be awesome.

Oh you definitely have yer own show.

Some do when it's some viewpoint or news they want to hear, but they get to hear their viewpoint elsewhere. The talk part just adds some diversity to the viewpoint and topics. Most people never call in at all. At least not a national show.