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underhi2p
QUOTE (Nomarchy @ Feb 23 2009, 03:02 PM) *
Who says that there MUST be a custom-built, luxury boat industry in the U.S.?

Why is it that Republicans, even good ones, suddenly feign ultimate concern about the protection of the jobs and well-being of workers when their general mantra is that no one has a 'divine right' to a particular job, at a particular level of pay, etc?

I call bullshit.



Yachts, schools, prisons, Department of Public Expenditures, software, biotechnology, agriculture, chain gangs, etc.

It's all the same poop.

Mizilus
List of yacht makers.


http://www.rbbi.com/links/yacht.htm
underhi2p
List of doily manufacturers & suppliers:

http://www.globalsources.com/gsol/I/Doily-...68400/21452.htm
inyerface
wingnuts r us
hunin
QUOTE (Repub_Bub @ Feb 22 2009, 06:53 AM) *
Why is this a problem? If the emails were sufficiently significant they would be classified and theoretically tongue.gif unavailable.
The misplacement was likely due to the simple vagaries of routine.


Yeah, f-ing right, just vagaries.

Deception.

As I recall most were on GOP created email isps.
hunin
QUOTE (SpaceCowboy @ Feb 22 2009, 10:15 PM) *
Even C-Span Sucks is plagued by missing messages.


14 million?
hunin
QUOTE
WASHINGTON, Feb 23 (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama cast doubt on Monday on Lockheed Martin Corp's (LMT.N: Quote, Profile, Research) presidential helicopter replacement project, which has been hit by soaring cost overruns, saying it was an example of the procurement process "run amok."

"This is going to be one of our highest priorities," Obama said of cost overruns in military contracts at a White House event on fiscal responsibility.

"I have already talked to (U.S. Defense Secretary Robert) Gates about a thorough review of the helicopter situation. The helicopter I have now seems perfectly adequate to me."

"It is an example of the procurement process gone amok and we are going to have to fix it."


http://uk.reuters.com/article/marketsNewsU...336159120090223


Prez is and will ever be safer in his hardened limo methinks.

underhi2p
Big stimulus bill sparks long-term fiscal fears

WASHINGTON — Despite all the White House hoopla Monday about "fiscal responsibility," Washington is showing little inclination to practice what it's preaching.

The $787 billion stimulus package that President Barack Obama signed Feb. 17 adds an estimated $185 billion to the already-record federal deficit for fiscal 2009, pushing it up to about $1.4 trillion . That's a whopping 10 percent of the gross domestic product, the highest level since the end of World War II.

The measure's full of projects that Democrats, who are in charge of the legislative and executive branches for the first time since 1994, have sought for years, and it's questionable whether many of those provide the economy much of a short-term boost.

Even more such projects are included in the next round of legislation, a $410 billion spending plan for the rest of fiscal 2009 that the House of Representatives is to consider Wednesday.

That package would spend about 8 percent more than the same programs got last year, the second biggest annual increase since 1978 for discretionary spending, programs that the government isn't required to fund, unlike Social Security and Medicare .

The White House message Monday at the fiscal meeting, which included experts from the political, academic and economic worlds, was one of hope.

"As we take the steps that we must to get through the crisis we're in now, we will not lose sight of the long term," Vice President Joe Biden said.

Obama pledged to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term, but he's counting on the stimulus to get the economy growing again soon, and some experts call that a risky bet.

"This really doesn't do much to juice the economy in the short term," said Brian Bethune , the chief U.S. financial economist at IHS Global Insight, an economic consulting firm in Lexington, Mass.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office agreed. It found that only 23 percent of the stimulus would be spent by Oct. 1 , growing to 74 percent by the end of fiscal 2010 a year later.

The most immediate stimulus will come as tax relief, notably the $400 annual reduction in payroll taxes for most taxpayers, as well as extra unemployment benefits and help for states with Medicaid expenses, the health-care program for poor people and those with disabilities.

Obama also called Monday for pay-as-you-go spending, to avoid having new programs swell the deficits, but the legislation that the House will consider Wednesday eschews that approach.

Most government programs will run out of money March 6 unless Congress acts.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi , D- Calif. , on Monday defended the coming spending spree, which includes an estimated 9,000 earmarks, or local projects, said to cost about $5 billion . She called the bill "the unfinished business of last year, when the president refused to address the priorities and needs of the American people."

Democrats have been awash recently in unfinished fiscal business. Last year, for instance, President George W. Bush wanted to end or cut back several law-enforcement grant programs as well as spend less on the environment, health, labor and education than Democrats wanted.

The stimulus included $2.7 billion for seven major justice grants, including the Byrne Grants, which state and local governments use for crime-fighting strategies.

Democrats also got a long list of other projects into the bill whose stimulative effects have been questioned, including $50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts , $165 million for "critical deferred maintenance" at wildlife refuges and fish hatcheries, $200 million for the Department of Homeland Security to relocate its headquarters and $300 million so that the government can buy more fuel-efficient vehicles.

Some experts maintain that all the spending is easily justified.

"You're adding $787 billion to the economy that wouldn't otherwise be there," said Stan Collender , a veteran Washington budget analyst.

Critics counter that too much of the stimulus is unfocused. Independent analysts had two other concerns.

First, they said, the stimulus, as well as the fiscal 2009 budget legislation, may not provide the psychological boost the economy needs. The bills are too difficult for the public to grasp, because they have so many ways of stimulating the economy and the aid isn't clearly visible. Then too, the stimulus' costliest tax break, the $400 annual rebate, Bethune said, "is pretty minimal," since it will add only about $13 a week to most paychecks.

The next biggest tax break, a $70 billion patch in the alternative minimum tax, is "a phantom," he said, since it simply wipes off the books an increase that people will never see. Economists agree: That one's not stimulative. Congress passes it every year; Democrats just loaded it into the stimulus bill to get it out of the way.

The other problem involves the view that Washington isn't being fiscally responsible long term by focusing so much on the near term. The CBO warns that while the stimulus should boost the gross domestic product by 1.4 percent to 3.8 percent this year and 1.1 percent to 3.3 percent next year, long-term uncertainties loom.

The CBO projects that the GDP in 2015 and beyond will be as much as 0.2 percent smaller than it would have been without the stimulus package, dragged down by financing all the debt that's being piled up. In addition, noted the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a bipartisan fiscal research group, the bill will "have a permanent impact on the deficit through higher interest payments on additional public debt."

As Kenneth Thomas , a lecturer in finance at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania , put it, "There's going to be collateral damage. But now the goal is just to put out the fire."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20090223...clatchy/3174316

Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE (underhi2p @ Feb 23 2009, 07:09 PM) *
The CBO projects that the GDP in 2015 and beyond will be as much as 0.2 percent smaller than it would have been without the stimulus package, dragged down by financing all the debt that's being piled up. In addition, noted the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a bipartisan fiscal research group, the bill will "have a permanent impact on the deficit through higher interest payments on additional public debt."


TANSTAAFL

I'm leaning toward the stance I'm taking with all my other problems, Maybe I'll die first. Problem solved.
patheticJT
Still Waiting for Open Government
by Ed Feulner
“Today does not mark the end of our economic troubles,” President Barack Obama announced as he signed the so-called stimulus bill. “But it does mark the beginning of the end.”

It’s not clear whether he was intentionally paraphrasing Winston Churchill’s famous 1942 speech that included the phrase “the end of the beginning.” But the passage of this law certainly marked the end of at least one thing: Obama’s promise to bring transparency to the legislative process.

As a candidate, Obama vowed that “when there’s a bill that ends up on my desk as president, you, the public, will have five days to look online and find out what’s in it before I sign it, so that you know what your government’s doing.”

Well, there were three days between this “emergency” legislation passing Congress and Obama signing it at a political-style rally in Denver. But that doesn’t tell the tale of how swiftly the measure was passed.

Lawmakers had only a few hours between when the final bill was presented and when it was voted on -- late on a Friday night, of course. The bill came in at more than 1,000 pages, and lawmakers should have taken Obama’s suggested five days (at least) to review it. That would also have allowed journalists and bloggers to identify problems with the bill. Once the passed bill is sitting on the president’s desk, there’s nothing he can do to improve it.

Meanwhile, Obama clearly violated the spirit of his promise of openness. The original House measure, for example, contained no money for high-speed rail lines. The measure the Senate passed a few days later contained $2 billion for such projects.

By the time the final bill passed, it contained $8 billion for high-speed rail. That’s some compromise. Did most lawmakers even realize the extra $6 billion was there? Probably not. As Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., told CNSNews.com. “I don’t think anyone will have the chance to [read the entire bill].”

Meanwhile, a few days before the bill passed, Obama held a news conference to announce, “It also contains an unprecedented level of transparency and accountability so that every American will be able to go online and see where and how we’re spending every dime.” Not only did Americans not know what we were getting, lawmakers didn’t know what they were giving us.

“What [the bill] does not contain,” Obama added, “is a single pet project, not a single earmark.” The rail example alone casts doubt on that claim, but there were others. Columnist Michelle Malkin identified a number of pet projects, including $2 billion for a power plant in Illinois, $300 million for low-emission golf carts for federal employees, and $65 million for digital TV coupons.

The irony is that, during his brief Senate career, Obama was a powerful voice for open government. “We can all agree that government ought to spend money efficiently. If government money can’t withstand public scrutiny, then it shouldn’t be spent,” he said, sensibly, in 2006 while pushing for the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act.

That law, proposed by Obama and Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., demanded the creation of a Google-style search engine to allow anyone to track more than $1 trillion in federal contracts, grants and earmarks. It was an important step toward open government.

But such steps are easily derailed when lawmakers race to meet false deadlines and do their work behind closed doors. The sad fact is that a bill to spend $787 billion flew through Congress in just days with virtually no public input and no real “adult supervision” from the White House.

“Sin in haste, repent at leisure,” the saying goes. Well, our government just acted in haste. And American taxpayers will be repenting that action for years to come.

inyerface
We urge Attorney General Eric Holder to appoint a non-partisan independent Special Counsel to immediately commence a prosecutorial investigation into the most serious alleged crimes of former President George W. Bush, former Vice President Richard B. Cheney, the attorneys formerly employed by the Department of Justice whose memos sought to justify torture, and other former top officials of the Bush Administration.

Our laws, and treaties that under Article VI of our Constitution are the supreme law of the land, require the prosecution of crimes that strong evidence suggests these individuals have committed. Both the former president and the former vice president have confessed to authorizing a torture procedure that is illegal under our law and treaty obligations. The former president has confessed to violating the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

We see no need for these prosecutions to be extraordinarily lengthy or costly, and no need to wait for the recommendations of a panel or “truth” commission when substantial evidence of the crimes is already in the public domain. We believe the most effective investigation can be conducted by a prosecutor, and we believe such an investigation should begin immediately.


http://www.opednews.com/articles/Groups-Re...090224-738.html
arebuntz
inyerface
QUOTE
Both the former president and the former vice president have confessed to authorizing a torture procedure that is illegal under our law and treaty obligations. The former president has confessed to violating the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.
patheticJT
QUOTE (inyerface @ Feb 24 2009, 05:58 PM) *
We urge Attorney General Eric Holder to appoint a non-partisan independent Special Counsel to immediately commence a prosecutorial investigation into the most serious alleged crimes of former President George W. Bush, former Vice President Richard B. Cheney, the attorneys formerly employed by the Department of Justice whose memos sought to justify torture, and other former top officials of the Bush Administration.


You mean the attorney general that called you a coward?
inyerface
Eric,

I heard your speech the other day, you know, the one in which you accused Americans of being "cowards when it comes to discussing race."

Here's what I have to say about that:

Shut up the "f" up and start prosecuting.

Allow me to elaborate.

I'm not going to argue with your basic premise -- that Americans still have trouble talking openly to one another about race and race-related issues. It's a process and, well, we're still progressing.

But cowards? I don't think so. After all, we have a black President of the United States of America sitting in the formerly all-White House. We have a (gorgeous and wickedly smart) black First Lady. Our new ambassador to the United Nations, Susan Rice, is black. And, (you might want to grab a mirror here) we have our first black Attorney General of the United States of America.

That's hardly the work of a nation of racial "cowards."

The choice of the term "cowards" was so wrong. You might have substituted other very real American traits; independent, difficult, cranky, myopic, provincial, skittish, in denial... any one or combination of which would have fit better than "cowardly."

That's exactly the kind of race-based whining that landed Jesse Jackson in irrelevancy-land. And if you keep talking like that, you'll be joining him.

Besides, you have far more important jobs on your plate right now than lecturing us on the kinks that persist in our racial relations. If racial justice is what you're looking for, repair your own Civil Rights Division, which the Bush folks gutted then filled with creeps, liars, morons and barely-closeted racists.

That's your job, not giving us lectures on who we hang with, or don't hang with, on weekends.

But there's even more important work you should be consumed by right now - the work of reestablishing the rule of law in the USA.

Never in the history of the Union has an attorney general taken office with such a wealth of evidence of criminal activity - much emanating from you very own agency - littering the very ground upon which you stand. Pick it up. Get it on the record, and get it under oath.

Then start indicting people, beginning with your predecessor, Alberto "I don't recall" Gonzales, and his covey of sycophant lieutenants.

As the old Norwegian saying goes, "A dead fish starts to stink from the head first." And we can still smell the stink coming from he Department of Justice. Ought you not tend to that first before you start to stink too?

Once you get your own house in order, then turn your attentions to the mountains of stomach turning, well-documented evidence of high crimes, felonies and war crimes committed by the former occupants of the White House. You know, all those news stories you might have read about exposing the Bush administration's torture of POWs, illegal wiretaps of innocent Americans, kidnapping, and yes, murder.

Out here we assume that, if reporters found out about these crimes then certainly trained law enforcement investigators and those thousands of law school grads you employ, should be able to nail down at least a few high profile Bush administration prosecutions.

Are we wrong about that?

I understand you're new to the job. So if you are having trouble finding the evidence of which I speak, I've collected a hunk of it and posted it here. (http://www.bushproject.com) Feel free to dip in and take what you need. But I don't have subpoena power. You do. So use those powers to fill in any gaps.

Then take these cases before a grand jury of regular Americans and see what happens.

Eric, you have no shortage of things that need immediate attention - critically important things, alleged crimes that 71% of Americans want you to pursue.

Oh, and there's the rest of the world, they're watching too. They're watching you and Barack Obama. They are watching to see if America is still a land of "laws, not men" - or not. They are waiting to find out whether America's stated core values -- justice for all, no one is above the law, etc. -- are the real deal, or just jingoistic bumper sticker slogans. (Something a growing number of Americans have begun to wonder themselves.)

Your call, Eric.

But almost nowhere is the rest of the world laying awake night wondering whether or nor American's weekend barbeque's have become touchy-feelie, racially focused 12-Step discussion groups.

Thank you for your immediate attention to these matters.

Sincerely,
The Rest of Us.

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/20449
Nomarchy
QUOTE (patheticJT @ Feb 24 2009, 09:41 AM) *
You mean the attorney general that called you a coward?



I thought he called YOU a coward.

And, yeah, THAT attorney general.
Lord_Proprietor
QUOTE (Russ Logan @ Feb 23 2009, 02:54 PM) *
Umm..the industries supplying said luxuries?

Recall a couple of decades ago a tax was instituted on yachts as a luxury. Sales plummeted within the custom boat-building industry and all but totally eliminated said industry in the US, costing thousands of jobs as noted in the Library of Congress website (Thomas.loc.gov see discussion and alternate views on the tax act in 2005). The tax was repealed about three years later with the expressed regret of Congress for having passed it in the first place. But by then the damage was done - not to the rich but to those in a an industry whose livelihood depended upon those rich and their spending.

The Law of Unintended Consequences is always in operation.



Hunin and Nomarchy hasn't the slightest idea of what you are speaking. I remember the story well - all the yacht building buisness went off shore and the rich buyers went there and bought their 'multi-million$$$' yachts and as you say, our workers are still out of jobs from that debacle. We may have the same thing starting with corporate jets if the silly demotaxcrats keep speaking about them.
Nomarchy
QUOTE (Lord_Proprietor @ Feb 24 2009, 03:09 PM) *
Hunin and Nomarchy hasn't the slightest idea of what you are speaking. I remember the story well - all the yacht building buisness went off shore and the rich buyers went there and bought their 'multi-million$$$' yachts and as you say, our workers are still out of jobs from that debacle. We may have the same thing starting with corporate jets if the silly demotaxcrats keep speaking about them.



Why would we not have the slightest idea of what Russ Logan was speaking?

We were both adults at the time and, speaking for myself, attuned to Federal politics. Why would I, in particular, not know about that?

Do you really want to assert that, at YOUR age, your memory of things that happened at the beginning of the last decade of the previous century is better than, e.g., mine?
hunin
QUOTE
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- When the waiter reached for the plate, President Obama shook his head and smiled as he asked for a few more minutes. He had been talking to his guests, and had barely taken a bite of his lunch.


Obama's team believes stimulus speed is critical but knows there's a danger in trying too much, too fast.

The new president was keeping with a longstanding tradition on days when the commander in chief delivers an address to a joint session of Congress: Around the table Tuesday sat television anchors and the Sunday morning interview program hosts and two senior aides. The location was the dining room in the White House residence.

Over lunch of lobster bisque and striped bass, it was a chance for the president to share his thoughts on the goals of Tuesday night's big speech and the challenges ahead. There were ground rules for the discussion: We are not allowed to quote the president or his senior aides directly.

In Washington journalism parlance, this is called "background" -- what we heard was attributable to "senior administration officials." Or, the ground rules allow such constructions as, "The president is known to believe ..." or "The way the White House sees this is ..."

Some things we learned were policy-related, some more personal. Some highlights:

• In describing the economy, the overwhelming focus of the speech, Obama's goals include helping the American people better understand the connection between different ailing sectors; the crisis in financial institutions, for example, to the reluctance of small businesses to hire new workers because, perhaps, the credit crunch is limiting their ability to expand.

• The president is mindful of the criticism he has been too negative in talking about the economy. But he believes being realistic is the best way to keep credibility with the American people. Look for a description of the economy as a sick patient who needs a lot of urgent care yet has a good long-term prognosis. iReport.com: What do you want to hear from Obama?


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• The White House team, from the top down, believed speed was critical to getting stimulus funds into the economy. The price they knew they would pay, however, is that without any significant Republican support, the debate played straight into the enduring divide between Democrats and Republicans over spending and the role of government.

• Obama exudes confidence. But he and his team are clearly mindful that there is a danger, from both a policy and a political perspective, in trying do to so much so fast. One of the officials acknowledged there are many credible voices who take issue with the administration's approach, and noted in dealing with the stress on the financial system and other early decisions, Obama was making a series of "judgment calls" mindful of the fact that any time one acts so quickly it is inevitable some mistakes will be made. The president's take is that if 98 percent of a program is a success, and the need was urgent, then the 2 percent that goes awry is an acceptable tradeoff.

• He believes it is realistic, based on current economic projections, to pledge to cut the record annual federal budget deficit in half by the end of his first term. The White House budget out this week, Obama's first, will project that some of that deficit reduction will come through slicing the costs of the Iraq war by bringing troops home and by increased revenue as a result of allowing the Bush tax cuts for Americans making more than $250,000 a year to expire. But the White House also promises to take the knife to some Democratic "sacred cows" as it searches for spending cuts.

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• Look for education as a potential issue on which Obama will reach out for bipartisanship that was missing from the stimulus debate. The president sees an opening on issues like bonuses for exceptional teachers to work with Republicans.

On a more personal note:

• The first movie Obama viewed in the White House theater was "Slumdog Millionaire." He loved it, and parts of the movie reminded him of his childhood days in Jakarta, Indonesia.

• He enjoys the "baubles" that come with the presidency -- Air Force One, Marine One and Camp David, for example. But he already finds the "bubble" too restricting and wishes it was easier to just take a walk, or attend his daughters' school and sporting events. One way of trying to better stay in touch with everyday Americans: Obama has instructed his staff to bring him 10 letters a week from citizens writing with a complaint or an observation.

• He cherishes family dinner in the White House, where "thorns and roses" is now the favorite family game. Each family member describes the day's highlight, or rose, and the day's worst moment, the thorn. We were told after describing one particularly challenging day at the White House, Malia Obama had this to say to her father the president: "You have a really thorny job."...


http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/24/sotn.king.lunch/
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE (hunin @ Feb 24 2009, 08:16 PM) *
Over lunch of lobster bisque and striped bass,

Lobster.

Shame.
hunin


US lobster I'm sure.

Just a bisque. Soup. Maybe 1 lobster for the whole deal. wink.gif
Mizilus
do we have to pay for the food these prima donna assholes eat?

If so, I say until they get their sh_t togethr they can eat MRE's.

Lobster my ass.
Davis 2.0
Hey miz, what up ya baloney eatin cretin?
underhi2p
Pelosi is definitely shitfaced or jacked up on something.

Mizilus
QUOTE (Davis 2.0 @ Feb 24 2009, 06:41 PM) *
Hey miz, what up ya baloney eatin cretin?



I'm so farking bored I cant even tell you.
inyerface
lmao
Mizilus
Where's charlie ray? He get abducted or kidnapped by the Mexicans or something?
Davis 2.0
ell if I know


wasn't he running for an office in the union or something?
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE (underhi2p @ Feb 24 2009, 08:42 PM) *
Pelosi is definitely shitfaced or jacked up on something.

Looped.
underhi2p
The Baby Jesus hit a home run in his speech to Congress last night.

arebuntz
QUOTE (underhi2p @ Feb 25 2009, 11:25 AM) *
The Baby Jesus hit a home run in his speech to Congress last night.

... but was he "juiced"?...
underhi2p
QUOTE (arebuntz @ Feb 25 2009, 11:48 AM) *
... but was he "juiced"?...



Puggs Pelosi was juiced. I had to stop watching.

I couldn't take her smiling, laughing, shifty eyes all over, up, down, jack-in-the-box, cold stare, up, down, lauging, chewing on her lips . . .

Puggs made Joey Three Iraqs Biden seem normal.

She'd definitely fail a drug test.

SpaceCowboy
QUOTE (underhi2p @ Feb 25 2009, 11:06 AM) *
Puggs Pelosi was juiced. I had to stop watching.

I couldn't take her smiling, laughing, shifty eyes all over, up, down, jack-in-the-box, cold stare, up, down, lauging, chewing on her lips . . .

Puggs made Joey Three Iraqs Biden seem normal.

She'd definitely fail a drug test.

She's probably on some new designer drug from San Francisco. They get all the new stuff first.
underhi2p
QUOTE (SpaceCowboy @ Feb 25 2009, 12:14 PM) *
She's probably on some new designer drug from San Francisco. They get all the new stuff first.



Feminazasty?

Friggin eyes were buggin'.

patheticJT
LOOKS LIKE OBAMA IS ALLOWING TORTURE AT GITMO AS THINGS GET WORSE UNDER HIS REGIME.............
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LONDON (Reuters) - Abuse of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay has worsened sharply since President Barack Obama took office as prison guards "get their kicks in" before the camp is closed, according to a lawyer who represents detainees.

Abuses began to pick up in December after Obama was elected, human rights lawyer Ahmed Ghappour told Reuters. He cited beatings, the dislocation of limbs, spraying of pepper spray into closed cells, applying pepper spray to toilet paper and over-forcefeeding detainees who are on hunger strike.

The Pentagon said on Monday that it had received renewed reports of prisoner abuse during a recent review of conditions at Guantanamo, but had concluded that all prisoners were being kept in accordance with the Geneva Conventions.

"According to my clients, there has been a ramping up in abuse since President Obama was inaugurated," said Ghappour, a British-American lawyer with Reprieve, a legal charity that represents 31 detainees at Guantanamo.

OBAMA THE TORTURER!
Mizilus
so, I didn't watch the speech.
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE (Mizilus @ Feb 25 2009, 12:18 PM) *
so, I didn't watch the speech.

It was ok.
underhi2p
Dear MoveOn member,

Wow. Did you see President Obama's speech? Last night he laid out a bold and ambitious agenda to totally transform our economy. As he said, "it begins with energy."

Think about what Obama's vision would mean for our country: solar panels on our roofs. Wind power in our heartland. Thriving communities. Millions of people put back to work building our future.

If we want it, we need to build a grassroots movement to make it happen. Even with Obama making clean energy a priority, it's going to be tough. Big oil and coal companies are already preparing to block real reform and conservatives want Obama to fail.

We've got to show an overwhelming public mandate for this change. So we've launched a huge new campaign to make it happen. We'll triple our organizing capacity and send top-notch organizers to key states and congressional districts, run hard-hitting new ads on television and radio, and mobilize hundreds of thousands of new MoveOn members.


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And we've got no time to waste. As President Obama said last night, "now is the time to act boldly and wisely—to not only revive this economy, but to build a new foundation for lasting prosperity."

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p.s. I had multiple orgasms watching President Obama speak.
underhi2p
Obama Gaffe: America Didn't Invent Automobile

AFP – President Obama's speech to Congress last night might have emphasized urgency over historical accuracy when he stated, "And I believe the nation that invented the automobile cannot walk away from it."


Many inventors contributed to the rise of the car in modern-day life. But the U.S. Library of Congress credits German inventor Karl Benz with creating the first true automobile that ran on an internal combustion engine.


Benz came out with his patented car around 1885, or about the same time when fellow Germans Gottlieb Daimler and Wilhelm Maybach produced a four-wheeled automobile with a four-stroke engine. The names of these inventors live on in modern car companies such as Daimler AG and its Mercedes-Benz division.


By contrast, U.S. automotive pioneer Henry Ford did not start rolling out his mass-produced Model T cars until 1908. His claim to fame lies in popularizing automobiles as a common form of transportation, according to the Henry Ford Museum. Pedestrians and bikers may not thank him as much.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/obamag...nventautomobile
beasty
QUOTE (underhi2p @ Feb 25 2009, 12:54 PM) *
Obama Gaffe: America Didn't Invent Automobile

AFP – President Obama's speech to Congress last night might have emphasized urgency over historical accuracy when he stated, "And I believe the nation that invented the automobile cannot walk away from it."


Many inventors contributed to the rise of the car in modern-day life. But the U.S. Library of Congress credits German inventor Karl Benz with creating the first true automobile that ran on an internal combustion engine.


Benz came out with his patented car around 1885, or about the same time when fellow Germans Gottlieb Daimler and Wilhelm Maybach produced a four-wheeled automobile with a four-stroke engine. The names of these inventors live on in modern car companies such as Daimler AG and its Mercedes-Benz division.


By contrast, U.S. automotive pioneer Henry Ford did not start rolling out his mass-produced Model T cars until 1908. His claim to fame lies in popularizing automobiles as a common form of transportation, according to the Henry Ford Museum. Pedestrians and bikers may not thank him as much.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/obamag...nventautomobile



But Al Gore did invent the internet.
underhi2p
The Shills looked like poop last night.

inyerface
the pugs look like poop every night
underhi2p
QUOTE (inyerface @ Feb 25 2009, 03:29 PM) *
the pugs look like poop every night



Puggs

That chick was farking jacked last night.

The Shills looked dog-gone weared out.
underhi2p
FACT CHECK: Obama's words on home aid ring hollow


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Feb 25, 3:15 AM (ET)

By CALVIN WOODWARD and JIM KUHNHENN


WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama knows Americans are unhappy that the government could rescue people who bought mansions beyond their means.

But his assurance Tuesday night that only the deserving will get help rang hollow.

Even officials in his administration, many supporters of the plan in Congress and the Federal Reserve chairman expect some of that money will go to people who used lousy judgment.

The president skipped over several complex economic circumstances in his speech to Congress - and may have started an international debate among trivia lovers and auto buffs over what country invented the car.

A look at some of his assertions:


OBAMA: "We have launched a housing plan that will help responsible families facing the threat of foreclosure lower their monthly payments and refinance their mortgages. It's a plan that won't help speculators or that neighbor down the street who bought a house he could never hope to afford, but it will help millions of Americans who are struggling with declining home values."

THE FACTS: If the administration has come up with a way to ensure money only goes to those who got in honest trouble, it hasn't said so.

Defending the program Tuesday at a Senate hearing, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said it's important to save those who made bad calls, for the greater good. He likened it to calling the fire department to put out a blaze caused by someone smoking in bed.

"I think the smart way to deal with a situation like that is to put out the fire, save him from his own consequences of his own action but then, going forward, enact penalties and set tougher rules about smoking in bed."

Similarly, the head of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. suggested this month it's not likely aid will be denied to all homeowners who overstated their income or assets to get a mortgage they couldn't afford.

"I think it's just simply impractical to try to do a forensic analysis of each and every one of these delinquent loans," Sheila Bair told National Public Radio.

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OBAMA: "And I believe the nation that invented the automobile cannot walk away from it."

THE FACTS: Depends what your definition of automobiles, is. According to the Library of Congress, the inventor of the first true automobile was probably Germany's Karl Benz, who created the first auto powered by an internal combustion gasoline engine, in 1885 or 1886. In the U.S., Charles Duryea tested what library researchers called the first successful gas-powered car in 1893. Nobody disputes that Henry Ford created the first assembly line that made cars affordable.

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OBAMA: "We have known for decades that our survival depends on finding new sources of energy. Yet we import more oil today than ever before."

THE FACTS: Oil imports peaked in 2005 at just over 5 billion barrels, and have been declining slightly since. The figure in 2007 was 4.9 billion barrels, or about 58 percent of total consumption. The nation is on pace this year to import 4.7 billion barrels, and government projections are for imports to hold steady or decrease a bit over the next two decades.

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OBAMA: "We have already identified $2 trillion in savings over the next decade."

THE FACTS: Although 10-year projections are common in government, they don't mean much. And at times, they are a way for a president to pass on the most painful steps to his successor, by putting off big tax increases or spending cuts until someone else is in the White House.

Obama only has a real say on spending during the four years of his term. He may not be president after that and he certainly won't be 10 years from now.

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OBAMA: "Regulations were gutted for the sake of a quick profit at the expense of a healthy market. People bought homes they knew they couldn't afford from banks and lenders who pushed those bad loans anyway. And all the while, critical debates and difficult decisions were put off for some other time on some other day."

THE FACTS: This may be so, but it isn't only Republicans who pushed for deregulation of the financial industries. The Clinton administration championed an easing of banking regulations, including legislation that ended the barrier between regular banks and Wall Street banks. That led to a deregulation that kept regular banks under tight federal regulation but extended lax regulation of Wall Street banks. Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, later an economic adviser to candidate Obama, was in the forefront in pushing for this deregulation.

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OBAMA: "In this budget, we will end education programs that don't work and end direct payments to large agribusinesses that don't need them. We'll eliminate the no-bid contracts that have wasted billions in Iraq, and reform our defense budget so that we're not paying for Cold War-era weapons systems we don't use. We will root out the waste, fraud and abuse in our Medicare program that doesn't make our seniors any healthier, and we will restore a sense of fairness and balance to our tax code by finally ending the tax breaks for corporations that ship our jobs overseas."

THE FACTS: First, his budget does not accomplish any of that. It only proposes those steps. That's all a president can do, because control over spending rests with Congress. Obama's proposals here are a wish list and some items, including corporate tax increases and cuts in agricultural aid, will be a tough sale in Congress.

Second, waste, fraud and abuse are routinely targeted by presidents who later find that the savings realized seldom amount to significant sums. Programs that a president might consider wasteful have staunch defenders in Congress who have fought off similar efforts in the past.

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OBAMA: "Thanks to our recovery plan, we will double this nation's supply of renewable energy in the next three years."

THE FACTS: While the president's stimulus package includes billions in aid for renewable energy and conservation, his goal is unlikely to be achieved through the recovery plan alone.

In 2007, the U.S. produced 8.4 percent of its electricity from renewable sources, including hydroelectric dams, solar panels and windmills. Under the status quo, the Energy Department says, it will take more than two decades to boost that figure to 12.5 percent.

If Obama is to achieve his much more ambitious goal, Congress would need to mandate it. That is the thrust of an energy bill that is expected to be introduced in coming weeks.

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OBAMA: "Over the next two years, this plan will save or create 3.5 million jobs."

THE FACTS: This is a recurrent Obama formulation. But job creation projections are uncertain even in stable times, and some of the economists relied on by Obama in making his forecast acknowledge a great deal of uncertainty in their numbers.

The president's own economists, in a report prepared last month, stated, "It should be understood that all of the estimates presented in this memo are subject to significant margins of error."

Beyond that, it's unlikely the nation will ever know how many jobs are saved as a result of the stimulus. While it's clear when jobs are abolished, there's no economic gauge that tracks job preservation. The estimates are based on economic assumptions of how many jobs would be lost without the stimulus.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090225/D96IFSC80.html

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The Chelsea Bucketheads bowling team has formally announced that The Baby Jesus's honeymoon is over.
Davis 2.0
But what about the Duryea?
underhi2p
QUOTE (Davis 2.0 @ Feb 25 2009, 03:40 PM) *
But what about the Duryea?

patheticJT
It was fascinating to watch the same group that wanted America to fail at everything 3 months ago, suddenly talking and cheering about Americas with confidence.

At least its nice to not have them and the lefties around here continue to root for America to fail.

inyerface
in your dreams they wanted America to fail

you marginalize yourself rather well
Hondo
QUOTE (SpaceCowboy @ Feb 24 2009, 09:22 PM) *
Lobster.

Shame.


Michelle might be down with chitlins, but Barry is a man of the world now. He isn't ever going back to living like in the old country, and he sure isn't going to make his way in the private sector. That leaves fancy lunch on the public dime, for the rest of his life.
Mizilus
QUOTE (Hondo @ Feb 25 2009, 09:53 PM) *
Michelle might be down with chitlins,


As a white boy I'm curious what you mean by that, youngster.
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