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Davis 2.0
underhi2p
Here are the expectations for Barry come January 20, 2009.

1. Fix the gay and lesbian “problem” with the military
2. Fix the number of chillrin in the adult justice system
3. Fix Afghanistan
4. Fix Iraq
5. Fix the Confederate flag issue
6. Fix the number of peeps without health insurance
7. Fix the income gap
8. Fix the border
9. Fix investment in the National Institute of Health
10. Ensure Pakistan remains a democracy
11. Ensure Venezuela remains a democracy - help Venezuela become a democracy
12. Keep abortion the number one issue in America by invoking the ripping the fetus out of the uterus with a coat hanger story
13. Keep gay marriage the number two issue in America by not doing anything about it
14. "Fix" Bill Clinton.
15. Fix the stem cells.
16. Fix the infrastructure
17. Fix the educational system "to give" everyone high school and college diplomas whether earned or not! It's almost there now, it just needs a little more "fixin"!
18. Fix talk radio.
19. Fix this housing meltdown
20. Fix the economy
21. Enforce all regulations
22. Ban shredders
23. Move Hawaii closer to California
24. Add Africa as a 51st State
25. Add Indonesia as 52nd State
26. Add Iraq as 53rd State
27. Add Lebanon as 54th State
28. Add Kuaite as 55th State
29. Add Pakiistan as 56th State
30. Add Iran as 57th State
(he did mention he'd been to 57 states, didn't he?)
31. Redistribute the wealth
32. Turn empty churches into Mosques
33. Outlaw SUVs and Vans for families
34. Make a 4 day work week
35. Deliver mail 3 times a week
36. Ration gasoline
37. Raise Taxes
38. Raise interest rates
39. Ban Home Schooling
40. Eliminate speculating everywhere
41. Lower energy prices by taxing energy companies
42. Lower energy prices by taxing energy consumers
43. Lower energy prices by taxing taxpayers
44. Tax energy
45. Ban bullets
46. Fix yourself in 2009
47. Make the U.S. more business-friendly.
48. Open all of the U.S. to oil and gas drilling.
49. Allow everyone, in every state, to shoot any suspect of criminal activity on sight.
50. Ban the ACLU.
51. Ban testing - there's no proof that tests measure anything correctly
52. Fix floating chunks of ice in the oceans - they're a huge danger
53. Fix inmates in the U.S. making pennies to minimum wage - it's time for U.S. inmates to be paid a living wage
54. Arrange to have hurricances stay offshore
55. Raise New Orleans above sea level and arrange to have the the displaced folks from New Orleans return with new, taxpayer funded homes.
56. Emerge at a solution, a final solution to the Jewish (banking) problem. They are ruining the country's economy.
57. Intentionally blank - Nomarchy "out-of-ordered" this important issues list.
58. supra
59. Abolish the Federal Reserve. Allow private banks to offer competing currencies, based on 100% reserves.
60. Abolish the LIBERAL mainstream media and LIBERAL gubment schools.
61. Fix it so that nobody can Afro-engineer this country Haiti, Kenya and Zimbabwe style.
62. Ban community organizing/agitating.
63. Bring back 8-track
64. Fix Michigan - bring this fine state back to its glory days when men made shitty cars in Detroit and women were baking fresh bread at home.
65. Create a favorable environment for manufacturing in America without giving up worker safety or environmental protections.
Human Ills
Create a favorable environment for manufacturing in America without giving up worker safety or environmental protections.
underhi2p
QUOTE (Human Ills @ Nov 5 2008, 04:47 PM) *
Create a favorable environment for manufacturing in America without giving up worker safety or environmental protections.




#65 above.

Pretty much the same as #64 but the more, the merrier.

beasty
QUOTE (Human Ills @ Nov 5 2008, 02:47 PM) *
Create a favorable environment for manufacturing in America without giving up worker safety or environmental protections.


By raising taxes and creating new levels of government regulation. Should be easy.
Human Ills
QUOTE (beasty @ Nov 5 2008, 03:29 PM) *
By raising taxes and creating new levels of government regulation. Should be easy.

That's why you aren't President.
Human Ills
QUOTE (underhi2p @ Nov 5 2008, 01:53 PM) *
#65 above.

Pretty much the same as #64 but the more, the merrier.

Did you bury that concern somewhere in your satire? I hadn't noticed. Welcome aboard.
BrooklynBill
I expect more of the same, however, it will be done under Leftist cover, i.e., saving the polar bears and carbon credits. His foreign policy will be similar to that of Bush and the Neocons, except it will done under Leftist cover. Domestically, I also expect a nightmare, including his 250K-deep goon squad.
underhi2p
QUOTE (Human Ills @ Nov 5 2008, 06:40 PM) *
Did you bury that concern somewhere in your satire? I hadn't noticed. Welcome aboard.



Nope.

It ain't buried in my satire.

I've enumerated the concerns people had on this here forum.

64. Fix Michigan - bring this fine state back to its glory days when men made shitty cars in Detroit and women were baking fresh bread at home.
65. Create a favorable environment for manufacturing in America without giving up worker safety or environmental protections.

Most of the issues on this list the whacked-out, left-wing nuts were absolutely farking livid that Bush didn't fix 'em over the last eight years.

We'll see if The Baby Jesus meets the forum participants' expectations.
underhi2p
By the way, it would be nice if The Baby Jesus's supporters knew how to spell the farker's first name.
John Chrichton
QUOTE (Davis 2.0 @ Nov 5 2008, 09:21 PM) *


Not president yet.
Davis 2.0
Close enough for the federal government.
SpaceCowboy
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Obama kick-starts transition, picks Israeli Rahm Emanuel as chief of staff

By Haaretz Staff and The Associated Press


A day after winning an historic election to become the first black American president, Barack Obama on Wednesday stepped into the role of president-elect, inviting Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill) to join his administration as his White House chief of staff, Democratic officials.

If Emanuel accepts, which sources say he is likely to do, he will return to the White House where he served as a political and policy adviser to President Bill Clinton. Emanuel is the fourth-ranking Democrat in the House of Representatives as the Democratic Caucus Chair.

Emanuel is the son of a Jerusalem-born pediatrician who was a member of the Irgun (Etzel or IZL), a militant Zionist group that operated in Palestine between 1931 and 1948.
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Several Democrats also said Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, the party's 2004 presidential nominee, was actively seeking appointment as secretary of state in the new administration.

Two campaign officials said the appointment of a chief of staff was not expected for at least a day.

Instead, they said Obama would issue a written statement announcing that his transition team would be headed by John Podesta, who served as chief of staff under Clinton; Pete Rouse, who has been Obama's chief of staff in the Senate; and Valerie Jarrett, a friend of the president-elect and campaign adviser.

The officials who described the developments did so on condition of anonymity, saying they were not authorized to discuss events not yet announced.

On the day after Obama's election, several prominent Democrats described uncertainty about the extent to which lobbyists would be invited to work in the new administration. As a candidate, Obama frequently said lobbyists would not run his White House.

That left unclear whether they would be permitted to serve, and if so, in what posts and under what conditions.

The president-elect had breakfast with his wife and daughters, then left his house for a workout at a nearby gym. Aides said he intended to visit his campaign headquarters later in the day to thank his staff.

Obama has 10 weeks to build a new administration. But his status as an incumbent member of Congress presents issues unseen since 1960, when Democrat John F. Kennedy moved from the Senate to the White House.

The Senate is scheduled to hold a post-election session in two weeks, and Speaker Nancy Pelosi held a news conference Wednesday to reinforce her call for quick action on a bill to stimulate the economy.

That places Obama in uncharted territory - a president-elect, presumably first among equals among congressional Democrats. Yet his and their ability to enact legislation depends almost entirely until Inauguration Day on President George W. Bush's willingness to sign it.


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1034635.html

This is probably designed to give Goldie some reassurance.

For LP, not so much:

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When his family lived in Chicago, he attended Bernard Zell Anshe Emet Day School, a Jewish day school. After his family moved to Wilmette, he attended public school: Romona School, Wilmette Junior High School, and New Trier High School.[6] Emanuel was encouraged by his mother to take ballet lessons as a boy and is a graduate of the Evanston School of Ballet. He won a scholarship to the Joffrey Ballet but turned it down to attend Sarah Lawrence College, a liberal arts school with a strong dance program.[1][7]He graduated from college in 1981, and went on to receive a master's degree in Speech and Communication from Northwestern University in 1985. While still a student at Sarah Lawrence, he joined the congressional campaign of David Robinson of Chicago.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel

inyerface

Goldie wants no reassurance
Goldie
QUOTE (SpaceCowboy @ Nov 6 2008, 09:14 AM) *
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1034635.html
This is probably designed to give Goldie some reassurance.

For LP, not so much:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel

I'm watching and waiting. It's more fun to play offense than defense, IMO.
Human Ills
So is anyone else concerned that all this "help" from the Bush Administration is little more than an attempt to steer Obama down the same path Bush took?
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE (Human Ills @ Nov 6 2008, 10:23 AM) *
So is anyone else concerned that all this "help" from the Bush Administration is little more than an attempt to steer Obama down the same path Bush took?

Hmmmm...
underhi2p
QUOTE (Human Ills @ Nov 6 2008, 11:23 AM) *
So is anyone else concerned that all this "help" from the Bush Administration is little more than an attempt to steer Obama down the same path Bush took?



You think The Baby Jesus is that farking dumb?











On another note, Bush has ordered his staff to remove the “B” and “O” keys on all computers on the last day of the Bush Administration.

This is in keeping with the tradition the Clinton Administration started
Davis 2.0
QUOTE (Human Ills @ Nov 6 2008, 10:23 AM) *
So is anyone else concerned that all this "help" from the Bush Administration is little more than an attempt to steer Obama down the same path Bush took?



Won't work. Obama is watching every move that douchebag makes. The more likely scenario is Bush is helping a lot in one area as a distraction while doing his dirty work (while he can) in other places.

Bottom line, no one trusts him. And deservedly so.
inyerface

Stephanie Miller had a hilarious bit this am w bush turning over the keys and snatching them back:

"psych!"
Goldie
Goldie
This is from B. Gen James Cash, USAF, who has written some very good articles on the subject. Here he recommends someone else's e-mail that impressed him ... and scared him. Are you able to read this with an open mind? I hope so.

General Cash wrote:

"Occasionally, I receive an email that I agree with so totally I want to pass to everyone on my list. This is one of those emails. I have approval from the writer to forward the attached, and feel free to post it on your websites, or forward to friends. The election of Obama as President of the will mark the apex, and beginning downslide of this
Republic. The only question is the rate at which the downfall will occur."

The writer of this essay is Jerry Molen. Jerry is a great friend and an Academy Award winning Hollywood Producer. He did Jurassic , Hook, Rainman ... and many more classic movies. He won he Academy Award for Schindler's List.
Jerry is one of the very few clear thinking conservatives that I know from . We need to get this out to as many as possible ... including liberal Democrats.

Here is his message:

QUOTE
"We are about to make the Mother-of-All-Mistakes, because the Republican Party gave us no reliable alternative. In my opinion, if the conservative movement does not rally behind the only alternative left to us, this country will become a true Socialist within the next two Presidential terms. Ladies and Gentlemen, this is the most grave situation this nation has faced in my lifetime."


Jim Cash B/G, USAF, Ret.



Jerry Molen wrote:

'Election woes defined by prose.....'

We just experienced an overhyped, positively outrageous primary election season that has left me cold and wondering where the heads of our citizens are hiding out. Must be someplace where the sun doesn't get to very often.

At one time in my life I was a determined, dedicated and ever loyal registered Democrat. Then something happened (Lyndon Baines Johnson) that turned my life around and gave me much pause as to the veracity of a party that dwelt on and fed off of the most unfortunate among us. Some of those unfortunates were in their positions in life by way of their own choosing and others were there by circumstance.. But always, always with a door open to them to reach for new heights, achieve new goals, change their lives for the better. And also, always ever present were the bottom feeders doing everything they could to take advantage of those who had not or have not seen the light of better days and times, nor realizing they were in fact the masters of their own destiny. They had come to believe that they were dependent on those in power in and that they would look out for them and take care of their every need. They are still waiting and expecting all those promised freebies.

Most people aren't even aware that the Democrats ruled for over 40 years. It wasn't until 1994 when the so called Gingrich Revolution changed that for a short period of time. Nor do people realize that it was the Dem's that created the failed policies of the many entitlement programs that are falling apart right before our eyes. Please do not
think I find the Republicans blameless in all this. They too, suffer from ego inflation and greed motivators built into the system. It's just that the past few months I've listened to the rantings and railings of the left in America calling for more giveaways and better ways to obtain the proverbial 'free lunch'.

I think that to sum up my feelings and why I am so set apart from those within the circles of political power and influence can be illustrated best by a quote by noted basketball legend and talk show co-host Charles Barkley:
"Poor people have been voting for Democrats for the last fifty years ... and they are still poor."

And now with the election results comes the promises of 'change'. 'Change we can believe in.' 'Change for the future'. When in fact if you really, I mean REALLY listen to what the new messiah is asking for, is not 'change of policy' or 'change for the better'. He is warning all of us that he wants our change all right, 'loose change', pocket change', social change and political change. So people wake up. For if you don't, the change
you get may not be the change you were expecting or the change you wanted.

To close my screed, I want to leave you with some JM predictions in the event the junior Senator from becomes President ... and especially if the House and Senate are veto proof.

    1). Strict new gun laws will be enacted even though he promised he would not.
    2). The phrase 'In God We Trust' will be removed from all currency.
    3). He will back away from his pledge to and leave them to the wolves of Islam.
    4). Hillary Clinton will be named to the Supreme Court.
    5). Tax rates will return to their highest levels in 30 years.
    6). The capital gains tax will be at least double current levels.
    7). Retired Army General Wesley Clark will be named Secretary of Defense.
    8). The borders will be 'basically open' to all comers. Especially those from the Middle East and .
    9). Amnesty will be granted to all illegals now in the U.S regardless of status or even gang members (MS-13).
    10). The war in will be brought to an abrupt end and the results will be tragic and the consequences to our military will be devastating.


I realize that my predictions may not sit too well with some people ... and the best we could all hope for is that I am totally wrong. Any bets?
inyerface
yep

bet yer life?
Nomarchy
QUOTE
this country will become a true Socialist within the next two Presidential terms. Ladies and Gentlemen, this is the most grave situation this nation has faced in my lifetime.


Pearls of wisdom.
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE (Goldie @ Nov 6 2008, 05:28 PM) *
This is from B. Gen James Cash, USAF, who has written some very good articles on the subject. Here he recommends someone else's e-mail that impressed him ... and scared him. Are you able to read this with an open mind? I hope so.

General Cash wrote:

"Occasionally, I receive an email that I agree with so totally I want to pass to everyone on my list. This is one of those emails. I have approval from the writer to forward the attached, and feel free to post it on your websites, or forward to friends. The election of Obama as President of the will mark the apex, and beginning downslide of this
Republic. The only question is the rate at which the downfall will occur."

The writer of this essay is Jerry Molen. Jerry is a great friend and an Academy Award winning Hollywood Producer. He did Jurassic , Hook, Rainman ... and many more classic movies. He won he Academy Award for Schindler's List.
Jerry is one of the very few clear thinking conservatives that I know from . We need to get this out to as many as possible ... including liberal Democrats.

Here is his message:



Jim Cash B/G, USAF, Ret.



There is such a retired AF B/G but his name is Jimmy.

http://www.af.mil/bios/bio.asp?bioID=4950
mebesuzieq
Obama is just a puppet for Zionist Israel. Nothing has or will change. (For the good, anyway)

http://www.bollyn.info/home/articles/polph...d-barack-obama/
Arturo_Vandelay
Welcome aboard. Emanuel being Jewish doesn't make him an Israeli. A good portion of American Jews aren't all that supportive of Israel.
Davis 2.0
QUOTE (mebesuzieq @ Nov 9 2008, 01:16 PM) *
Obama is just a puppet for Zionist Israel. Nothing has or will change. (For the good, anyway)

http://www.bollyn.info/home/articles/polph...d-barack-obama/



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Bart Katz
Emanuel was a civilian volunteer in the Israel Defense Forces during the 1991 Persian Gulf War
underhi2p
QUOTE (Bart Katz @ Nov 9 2008, 02:26 PM) *
Emanuel was a civilian volunteer in the Israel Defense Forces during the 1991 Persian Gulf War



Jew creds.
mebesuzieq
QUOTE (Bart Katz @ Nov 9 2008, 02:26 PM) *
Emanuel was a civilian volunteer in the Israel Defense Forces during the 1991 Persian Gulf War



Well, that makes him ultra special, huh?

WHY in this country do we allow those with dual citizenship to Israel to high level posts within the United States government? WHY do we continue to kiss Israel's ass when they (The Mossad) basically run this country? They spend more money spying on us than any other country! Yet, they are our ally? Israel is the elephant in the room everyone wants to avoid. Israel is a terrorist nation. Someone prove me wrong.

WHEN are people going to wake up to the fact this is The United States of America NOT The United States of America/Israel?
mebesuzieq
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Nov 9 2008, 02:20 PM) *
Welcome aboard. Emanuel being Jewish doesn't make him an Israeli. A good portion of American Jews aren't all that supportive of Israel.



Thank you.

It is troubling he has dual citizenship. Just like so many within our government.
Bart Katz
Yeah, we even had nazis starting up our missile and space program.
celtcahill
Well, Goldie, this is pretty silly.

1). Strict new gun laws will be enacted even though he promised he would not.

Passed by whom ? Which congress, with who voting which way ? I've been hearing this and reading it nearly monthly The American Rifleman since 1952. It hasn't come close and the closest it ever came was the last administration I do not understand why anyone ever worries about this.


2). The phrase 'In God We Trust' will be removed from all currency.

So what if it was ? See the same arguments above.

3). He will back away from his pledge to and leave them to the wolves of Islam.

Who will he leave to the wolves of Islam ? Sentences require subjects although you all seem to think that that is a plot of Liberal media English Majors and Noam Chomsky the truth is that even the Bible uses complete sentences.


4). Hillary Clinton will be named to the Supreme Court.

And this would be a bad thing because....?

5). Tax rates will return to their highest levels in 30 years.

You have a deal with the tooth fairy ? We're back to suggesting those beutiful BillionMark notes again.

6). The capital gains tax will be at least double current levels.

It was for all the fifties and we exanded never more solidly or vigorously.

7). Retired Army General Wesley Clark will be named Secretary of Defense.

I voted for Obama in the hoppe that this might be true, please explain why I should worry about this.


8). The borders will be 'basically open' to all comers. Especially those from the Middle East and .

Please explain how you think this is going to come to pass and particularly what the adminsitration gains if it does.


9). Amnesty will be granted to all illegals now in the U.S regardless of status or even gang members (MS-13).

Even the current administration got accused of this why do you think the new administration would agree with them ?



10). The war in will be brought to an abrupt end and the results will be tragic and the consequences to our military will be devastating.


Yes, many of us said so at the beginning; it is too bad you all failed in your goals in this war but they were wholly unachievable. The conflict now unleashed was given to you as one of the reasons for that and you accused us all of being mere elitists; cowards; obstructionists, unAmerican and of denying the benefits of Liberty to these poor people out of prejudice.


The Iraqi's are on the verge of inviting us out and your administration is on the verge of agreeing with them, so you might want to be careful how you spin this one.

You'll be happy to know that there is one on the site now that is certain the Israelis are in charge of the country entirely again - Rahm is the son of a former Irgun member - so that ought to give you some comfort that the end of days is proceeding apace.
celtcahill
QUOTE (mebesuzieq @ Nov 9 2008, 02:01 PM) *
Thank you.

It is troubling he has dual citizenship. Just like so many within our government.



Sean Hannity is a dual citizen of Ireland
Bart Katz
QUOTE (celtcahill @ Nov 9 2008, 03:05 PM) *
Sean Hannity is a dual citizen of Ireland


And he will hold what government position in the new administration?
Bart Katz
QUOTE (mebesuzieq @ Nov 9 2008, 02:57 PM) *
Well, that makes him ultra special, huh?


No, I posted in support of your point you farking moron.
John Chrichton
QUOTE (Nomarchy @ Nov 7 2008, 12:14 AM) *
Pearls of wisdom.


"True pearls of wisdom" from YOU, as usual. While the country may not assume "full" socialism, it is certainly manupulated on the path with the election of Obama. You believe in the continuity of the American System whatever lunatic is elected to lead it, without regarding it as something inherently altering, something which is especially vulnerable to deviating from the correst path in times of crises.

Making sly comments like the one above is fun and all, but facts are stubborn things, if one considers the platform espoused by the Obama gang and coupled with the Democratic hordes in the legislature.
Davis 2.0
Where the hell were you god damned idiots when Republicans were trying to steal the country with a fear driven coup? Effin retard.

Nomarchy
QUOTE (John Chrichton @ Nov 9 2008, 12:11 PM) *
"True pearls of wisdom" from YOU, as usual. While the country may not assume "full" socialism, it is certainly manupulated on the path with the election of Obama. You believe in the continuity of the American System whatever lunatic is elected to lead it, without regarding it as something inherently altering, something which is especially vulnerable to deviating from the correst path in times of crises.

Making sly comments like the one above is fun and all, but facts are stubborn things, if one considers the platform espoused by the Obama gang and coupled with the Democratic hordes in the legislature.


I'll try to improve the quality of my comments.

Now, are you a law student, i.e. you're attending law school, or are you a "student of the law", i.e. you dabble?
celtcahill
Chrichton

You guys gotta understand that the constitution is the only thing that makes America distinct and there's nothing unconstitutional about the 'socialism' that's been proposed - nothing much socialist in it either, for that matter.

It's the stuff that this last administration did that was/is unconstitutional and actually threatenned the existance of a stable and unchanged America and America changed into something very different and very much less than the one we all pledge allegiance to.
celtcahill
QUOTE (Bart Katz @ Nov 9 2008, 02:08 PM) *
And he will hold what government position in the new administration?



Depends on the influence he actually has versus the influence he claims to have I guess.
inyerface
he needs a new set of kneepads
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE (celtcahill @ Nov 9 2008, 01:05 PM) *
Sean Hannity is a dual citizen of Ireland


Got some proof of that?
mebesuzieq
QUOTE (Bart Katz @ Nov 9 2008, 03:09 PM) *
No, I posted in support of your point you farking moron.



Excuse the HELL out of me. I'm new here and it's difficult to see who's being sarcastic, etc.
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inyerface

you just learned
mebesuzieq
QUOTE (inyerface @ Nov 9 2008, 03:41 PM) *
you just learned


I can tell I'm going to like you. tongue.gif
Nomarchy
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Nov 9 2008, 12:30 PM) *
Got some proof of that?


Both his paternal and maternal grandparents emigrated to the U.S. from Ireland. I think that by Irish law, Ireland can claim his allegiance. So, while under Republican of Ireland jurisdiction, he can behave as the Republic demands of its citizens without jeopardizing his U.S. citizenship.

I have no proof of his Republic of Ireland citizenship, though.
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE (mebesuzieq @ Nov 9 2008, 01:38 PM) *
Excuse the HELL out of me. I'm new here and it's difficult to see who's being sarcastic, etc.
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Pretty much everyone is going to be at one point or another.
mebesuzieq
QUOTE (celtcahill @ Nov 9 2008, 03:05 PM) *
Sean Hannity is a dual citizen of Ireland



Your point? Faux News sucks.
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