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inyerface
coulda hired you
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE (underhi2p @ Jul 8 2009, 05:24 AM) *
That didn't stop you from hiring the Goracle in 2000 and Big Wad in 2004.




But they were in the military. rolleyes.gif
Human Ills
QUOTE (SpaceCowboy @ Jul 7 2009, 09:08 PM) *
Poll: Palin's support still strong among GOP


I'm wondering if the polling firm selected voters by registration or self-identification.
underhi2p
QUOTE (Human Ills @ Jul 8 2009, 01:43 PM) *
I'm wondering if the polling firm selected voters by registration or self-identification.



Unless it's a shitty poll, i.e. Zogby, they spell out their sampling methodology.

Human Ills
QUOTE (underhi2p @ Jul 8 2009, 12:14 PM) *
Unless it's a shitty poll, i.e. Zogby, they spell out their sampling methodology.

If they did, it wasn't included in the story.
beasty
Polls reveal what the pollsters want them to if it isn't election season.
Innocent
QUOTE (Human Ills @ Jul 7 2009, 01:26 PM) *
There is no reason to believe she'd be selected in the GOP nominating process. We'd have to go back to why McCain felt he needed to select her to see why.
1) There was holdover resentment of McCain in the religious wingnut camp for comments he made while running in 2000.
2) There was holdover resentment of McCain in the hard-core conservative camp due to the fact McCain sought to steal democrat votes in the open primaries in 2000, votes that any conservative with a brain should know he wouldn't get in the general election.
3) The sheer number of candidates in the GOP primaries insured that the hard right vote would be split, so by the time McCain was finally nominated there was a good chance for tepid support come general election time.
4) Obama was polling poorly among Clinton women.

Because of 1, 2 and 3, McCain's fate was sealed. He followed the GOP playbook and tried to pick a candidate that was both anti-abortion and beyond criticism because she's a woman. It's crazy that the GOP thinks this works, but they do it all the time. Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice.

The GOP field would have to be incredibly weak for Palin to even have a chance to get a footing. It's more likely that the GOP machine will start propping up someone else.


That certainly sounds right...

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Innocent
QUOTE (Spot @ Jul 7 2009, 09:37 PM) *
Not everyone wants to get to Carnegie Hall.


Maybe entertainment isn't the field for them then. Or, perhaps, the community theatre is the best place for them and they just aren't suited for the big time.

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Spot
Fake it til you make it.
Innocent
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Jul 7 2009, 11:07 PM) *
If Obama can, she can. It's not brain surgery.


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Innocent
Urban Word of the Day

July 8: Sarah Palin Effect

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The principal that expertise on a certain subject can be gained through geographical proximity to it

Dude, of course I know about retirement investing. I can see a bank from my apartment window!"


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Spot
QUOTE (Innocent @ Jul 8 2009, 05:12 PM) *
laugh.gif (I'm sure your serious, but that doesn't make the statement any less funny.)



Just imagine if politicians were suddenly expected to do lifesaving surgery, CPR, defend kids from wild animals or any other act of immediate heroism or expertise. I wonder how many of them have any abilities outside the gift of gab and blabber.
Human Ills
QUOTE (Spot @ Jul 8 2009, 05:35 PM) *
Just imagine if politicians were suddenly expected to do lifesaving surgery, CPR, defend kids from wild animals or any other act of immediate heroism or expertise. I wonder how many of them have any abilities outside the gift of gab and blabber.

Most of them don't even have that.
Innocent
QUOTE (Spot @ Jul 8 2009, 08:35 PM) *
Just imagine if politicians were suddenly expected to do lifesaving surgery, CPR, defend kids from wild animals or any other act of immediate heroism or expertise. I wonder how many of them have any abilities outside the gift of gab and blabber.


Presumably they'd fare no better or worse than anyone else.

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Innocent
ADN Confirms: Palin's Story Doesn't Hold Up

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Yesterday evening, Greg Sargent reported on The Plum Line that one of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's key reasons for resigning -- that ethics complaints against her were draining the state of money -- appeared to be false.

The Anchorage Daily News did a thorough analysis and backed up the spokesperson. The ethics complaints took up time that staff could have spent doing other work, but they did not cost Alaska any money.


All these pointless, easy to refute lies she keeps spinning are very curious. I wonder if it's a psychological condition like Pseudologia fantastica?

inyerface
its a republican trait that most are able to hide with more lies
Davis 2.0
Ouch. How long until the loyal pubes rip Peggy to shreds?



A Farewell to Harms

Palin was bad for the Republicans—and the republic.

By PEGGY NOONAN


Sarah Palin's resignation gives Republicans a new opportunity to see her plain—to review the bidding, see her strengths, acknowledge her limits, and let go of her drama. It is an opportunity they should take. They mean to rebuild a great party. They need to do it on solid ground.

Her history does not need to be rehearsed at any length. Ten months ago she was embraced with friendliness by her party. The left and the media immediately overplayed their hand, with attacks on her children. The party rallied round, as a party should. She went on the trail a sensation but demonstrated in the ensuing months that she was not ready to go national and in fact never would be. She was hungry, loved politics, had charm and energy, loved walking onto the stage, waving and doing the stump speech. All good. But she was not thoughtful. She was a gifted retail politician who displayed the disadvantages of being born into a point of view (in her case a form of conservatism; elsewhere and in other circumstances, it could have been a form of liberalism) and swallowing it whole: She never learned how the other sides think, or why.

In television interviews she was out of her depth in a shallow pool. She was limited in her ability to explain and defend her positions, and sometimes in knowing them. She couldn't say what she read because she didn't read anything. She was utterly unconcerned by all this and seemed in fact rather proud of it: It was evidence of her authenticity. She experienced criticism as both partisan and cruel because she could see no truth in any of it. She wasn't thoughtful enough to know she wasn't thoughtful enough. Her presentation up to the end has been scattered, illogical, manipulative and self-referential to the point of self-reverence. "I'm not wired that way," "I'm not a quitter," "I'm standing up for our values." I'm, I'm, I'm.

In another age it might not have been terrible, but here and now it was actually rather horrifying.

McCain-Palin lost. Mrs. Palin has now stepped down, but she continues to poll high among some members of the Republican base, some of whom have taken to telling themselves Palin myths.

http://online.wsj.com/article/declarations.html
Innocent
Urban Word of the Day

July 10: Pullin' a Palin

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1. Quitting when the going gets tough; abandoning the responsibility entrusted to you by your neighbors for book advances and to make money on the lecture circuit.

2. Bizarre move that will damn ambitions for higher office.

I bet when people saw Jade they were convinced that David Caruso was pullin' a Palin.


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Davis 2.0
Palin' around with Palin.


Loser.
Davis 2.0
The Poison Pill, Ctd

A reader writes:

It has really hit home for me now just how much the Republican Party has lost its mind. Especially after the latest soap opera.

During the months that have passed since John McCain “tapped” Sarah Palin to be his running mate, I’ve had more and more trouble reconciling the obsessive adoration of Palin by so many in the GOP, including a lot of my relatives, (some of whom are very smart and successful people) with the obvious dangers of having someone like her as president. The bizarre behavior. The vapid thinking. How do they not recoil at the smug way in which she wears her ignorance like a badge of honor? It’s just amazing to me how every word out of her mouth is taken as gospel, and when she can’t even answer a softball question without struggling to form a semblance of coherent opinion, they set off against the liberal media.

Never mind the implications of her “word salad” responses. It’s quite sad actually, especially for me to see how my own family has changed. There’s been this kind of de-evolution from a thinking, reasoned, disinterested opinion, into an irrational, crusading, narrow banded thinking process that has really made me step away from the words Republican and Conservative as labels that apply to me.

Oh well, I'm perfectly cool in the land of Independence.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_...n-pill-ctd.html
inyerface
underhi2p
16 more days until ****faced bitch slut Palin is out of office.

SpaceCowboy
QUOTE (underhi2p @ Jul 10 2009, 08:23 PM) *
16 more days until ****faced bitch slut Palin is out of office.

That's good to know.

She should monetize her celebrity while she's hot.
hunin
Sarah who?
Arturo_Vandelay
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124700261179807839.html

Why Palin Quit
Death by a Thousand FOIAs

People close to Sarah Palin say national political reporters and pundits have missed the real reasons for her surprising decision to resign as Alaska governor. The national media have dismissed or downplayed her real motives, which had little to do with any plans to run for president in 2012.
[Sarah Palin]

Sarah Palin

Contrary to most reports, her decision had been in the works for months, accelerating recently as it became clear that controversies and endless ethics investigations were threatening to overshadow her legislative agenda. "Attacks inside Alaska and largely invisible to the national media had paralyzed her administration," someone close to the governor told me. "She was fully aware she would be branded a 'quitter.' She did not want to disappoint her constituents, but she was no longer able to do the job she had been elected to do. Essentially, the taxpayers were paying for Sarah to go to work every day and defend herself."


This situation developed because Alaska's transparency laws allow anyone to file Freedom of Information Act requests. While normally useful, in the hands of political opponents FOIA requests can become a means to bog down a target in a bureaucratic quagmire, thanks to the need to comb through records and respond by a strict timetable. Similarly, ethics investigations are easily triggered and can drag on for months even if the initial complaint is flimsy. Since Ms. Palin returned to Alaska after the 2008 campaign, some 150 FOIA requests have been filed and her office has been targeted for investigation by everyone from the FBI to the Alaska legislature. Most have centered on Ms. Palin's use of government resources, and to date have turned up little save for a few state trips that she agreed to reimburse the state for because her children had accompanied her. In the process, though, she accumulated $500,000 in legal fees in just the last nine months, and knew the bill would grow ever larger in the future.

"The Alaska ethics elves had painted such a target on Sarah's forehead that she had begun turning down pretty much every invitation she got -- even though they were pouring in every day by the dozens," a confidant of the governor's told me. "It is not throwing in the towel. It is deciding that she was ineffective in fighting for her principles and could do more in another role."

Family considerations also played a role. Ms. Palin gave birth to a baby with Down's Syndrome in 2008, and also has a six-year old. Everyone in the family was weary of endless personal attacks, including mean-spirited suggestions on liberal blogs that all of her children should have been aborted and that she would run on a presidential platform promoting retardation.


Governor Palin tried hunkering down. She ignored offers of help from outside and kept media outlets at a distance. "Palin had become so suspicious of the media that she rejected hundreds of requests by even friendly reporters to interview her. Her press aides say that before considering interviews, she insists that they comb through reporters' work, even if they write for a friendly, conservative publication," writes Ron Kessler of NewsMax.com. I can also attest to the difficulty of reaching Governor Palin's staff and getting simple requests answered -- the problem is that such standoffishness can sometimes result in more negative coverage rather than less.

Karl Rove acknowledges the unusual battering Ms. Palin has endured in recent months, but told Fox News that GOP leaders are still puzzled by her decision. "If she wanted to escape the ethics investigations and save the taxpayers money, she's now done that," he said. Unfortunately, he added, her decision "sent a signal that if you do this kind of thing to a sitting governor like her, you can drive her out of office."

But Palin friends say such commentary misses the real point. "The Beltway media can't understand someone not consumed with presidential ambition," one told me. "Maybe Sarah Palin won't run for president and maybe her family situation made it tougher to handle the barrage of attacks that come with that territory. The real issue that should be asked is why a mean-spirited system has to treat people who run like that, instead of why someone may choose not to go through it."

All good points, and they lead me to conclude that Ms. Palin mostly likely will not run for president -- in 2012, at least. She made many mistakes after suddenly being thrust into the national spotlight last year, but hasn't merited the sneering contempt visited upon her by national reporters. She simply was not their kind of feminist -- and they disdained the politically incorrect life choices she had made.

In helping to convince Sarah Palin that her road forward in national politics would demand even more sacrifices and pain than exacted from most politicians, the media did nothing to encourage women or people of modest means to participate in politics. By sidestepping her critics, Sarah Palin is now moving to another playing field where she has more control over the rules of the game. Her friends say her critics may call her a "quitter" now, but they should wait and see what new role she decides to fill. She may wind up having the last laugh.

-- John Fund
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE (SpaceCowboy @ Jul 10 2009, 06:29 PM) *
That's good to know.

She should monetize her celebrity while she's hot.



Always an option.
Davis 2.0
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Jul 10 2009, 08:57 PM) *
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124700261179807839.html

Why Palin Quit
Death by a Thousand FOIAs

People close to Sarah Palin say national political reporters and pundits have missed the real reasons for her surprising decision to resign as Alaska governor. The national media have dismissed or downplayed her real motives, which had little to do with any plans to run for president in 2012.
[Sarah Palin]

Sarah Palin

Contrary to most reports, her decision had been in the works for months, accelerating recently as it became clear that controversies and endless ethics investigations were threatening to overshadow her legislative agenda. "Attacks inside Alaska and largely invisible to the national media had paralyzed her administration," someone close to the governor told me. "She was fully aware she would be branded a 'quitter.' She did not want to disappoint her constituents, but she was no longer able to do the job she had been elected to do. Essentially, the taxpayers were paying for Sarah to go to work every day and defend herself."


This situation developed because Alaska's transparency laws allow anyone to file Freedom of Information Act requests. While normally useful, in the hands of political opponents FOIA requests can become a means to bog down a target in a bureaucratic quagmire, thanks to the need to comb through records and respond by a strict timetable. Similarly, ethics investigations are easily triggered and can drag on for months even if the initial complaint is flimsy. Since Ms. Palin returned to Alaska after the 2008 campaign, some 150 FOIA requests have been filed and her office has been targeted for investigation by everyone from the FBI to the Alaska legislature. Most have centered on Ms. Palin's use of government resources, and to date have turned up little save for a few state trips that she agreed to reimburse the state for because her children had accompanied her. In the process, though, she accumulated $500,000 in legal fees in just the last nine months, and knew the bill would grow ever larger in the future.

"The Alaska ethics elves had painted such a target on Sarah's forehead that she had begun turning down pretty much every invitation she got -- even though they were pouring in every day by the dozens," a confidant of the governor's told me. "It is not throwing in the towel. It is deciding that she was ineffective in fighting for her principles and could do more in another role."

Family considerations also played a role. Ms. Palin gave birth to a baby with Down's Syndrome in 2008, and also has a six-year old. Everyone in the family was weary of endless personal attacks, including mean-spirited suggestions on liberal blogs that all of her children should have been aborted and that she would run on a presidential platform promoting retardation.


Governor Palin tried hunkering down. She ignored offers of help from outside and kept media outlets at a distance. "Palin had become so suspicious of the media that she rejected hundreds of requests by even friendly reporters to interview her. Her press aides say that before considering interviews, she insists that they comb through reporters' work, even if they write for a friendly, conservative publication," writes Ron Kessler of NewsMax.com. I can also attest to the difficulty of reaching Governor Palin's staff and getting simple requests answered -- the problem is that such standoffishness can sometimes result in more negative coverage rather than less.

Karl Rove acknowledges the unusual battering Ms. Palin has endured in recent months, but told Fox News that GOP leaders are still puzzled by her decision. "If she wanted to escape the ethics investigations and save the taxpayers money, she's now done that," he said. Unfortunately, he added, her decision "sent a signal that if you do this kind of thing to a sitting governor like her, you can drive her out of office."

But Palin friends say such commentary misses the real point. "The Beltway media can't understand someone not consumed with presidential ambition," one told me. "Maybe Sarah Palin won't run for president and maybe her family situation made it tougher to handle the barrage of attacks that come with that territory. The real issue that should be asked is why a mean-spirited system has to treat people who run like that, instead of why someone may choose not to go through it."

All good points, and they lead me to conclude that Ms. Palin mostly likely will not run for president -- in 2012, at least. She made many mistakes after suddenly being thrust into the national spotlight last year, but hasn't merited the sneering contempt visited upon her by national reporters. She simply was not their kind of feminist -- and they disdained the politically incorrect life choices she had made.

In helping to convince Sarah Palin that her road forward in national politics would demand even more sacrifices and pain than exacted from most politicians, the media did nothing to encourage women or people of modest means to participate in politics. By sidestepping her critics, Sarah Palin is now moving to another playing field where she has more control over the rules of the game. Her friends say her critics may call her a "quitter" now, but they should wait and see what new role she decides to fill. She may wind up having the last laugh.

-- John Fund





lol.


I don't buy it for a minute.
Arturo_Vandelay
If you're right she'll wind up in jail next to Tom DeLay.
Davis 2.0
Tom owned the judges.
Arturo_Vandelay
Lord knows the only reason Republicans ever avoid jail is because they own the judge, not because they're innocent like all Democrats.
Davis 2.0
Dude, the judge said it wasn't money laundering because they used a check.
Arturo_Vandelay
A good way to hide money, with a signed check.
Davis 2.0
Listen. It is illegal to transfer federal Republican funds to the Texas GOP. They had several hundred thousand dollars transferred in two separate checks.The pubes also had the ethics committee shut down so they didn't even bother. Tom DeLay had allies on the bench that killed that investigation. I kid you not about their reasoning.
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE (Davis 2.0 @ Jul 10 2009, 07:59 PM) *
Listen. It is illegal to transfer federal Republican funds to the Texas GOP. They had several hundred thousand dollars transferred in two separate checks.The pubes also had the ethics committee shut down so they didn't even bother. Tom DeLay had allies on the bench that killed that investigation. I kid you not about their reasoning.


Hmm, I wondered where Pelosi got that idea.
Davis 2.0
whatever
Repub_Bub
QUOTE (Davis 2.0 @ Jul 10 2009, 08:14 PM) *
whatever

Always with the finer points....
Davis 2.0
Mom went fishing with my brother today. First time in 30 years. She out fished them all. Got a big old catfish about 18", a bass and a few bluegill.
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE (Davis 2.0 @ Jul 11 2009, 05:03 PM) *
Mom went fishing with my brother today. First time in 30 years. She out fished them all. Got a big old catfish about 18", a bass and a few bluegill.

Your brother makes great bait, I guess. smile.gif
Davis 2.0
Nightcrawlers are damned near $5 a dozen.
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE (Davis 2.0 @ Jul 11 2009, 05:12 PM) *
Nightcrawlers are damned near $5 a dozen.

You need to get you one of those thumpers that the Freemen used in Dune.
Davis 2.0
The Thumper Jr.
Innocent
Youtube: Levi Johnston: Money Prompted Palin to Resign

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The former fiance of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's 18-year-old daughter says he thinks he knows why the Alaska governor is resigning-- concerns over money. Johnston spoke at a news conference Thursday at the office of his attorney.(July 9)


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hunin
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Jul 10 2009, 08:57 PM) *
"...her legislative agenda..."


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Arturo_Vandelay
I forgot, only lefties have the brains to have a legislative agenda.
hunin
And her's was????

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Arturo_Vandelay
Seems to me she was the executive, which signs that legislation into effect, or not. That's "the decider", as opposed to Obama, who just voted. (present a good portion of the time)
"
hunin
Her legislative agenda was what tho? Anything?

I see nada in my looking.
Arturo_Vandelay
What kind of agendas do governors have? Balance the budget. Make the trains work. It's not like they're expected to plot the course of a nation. It's nuts and bolts. As VP there's probably even less real decision making.
hunin
Yeah, that's it! Thwarted in her nuts and bolts agenda.

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Nuts for sure.

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Arturo_Vandelay
She had an 80% approval. Something tells me that's pretty successful when it comes to governing.

Of course flat out ridicule is pretty hard to argue against.

"you're dumb"

Well gee, I guess if you say so..... rolleyes.gif

Dumb as Bush, which is to say just barely smarter than Gore or Kerry.
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