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Mizilus
So we hear that bush is pulling a bunch of executive orders on his way out. I'm sure clinton did a bunch, too.

How are Executive orders a good idea? Sure, Obama could undo them once he's in there, but what about those that happen mid term?

What instances would require an Executive order? Just anything? Or should there be limits? Life or death matters of national security and the like.

I'm sorry but I think bush and crew have over stepped and abused their power and I would just as soon we put a stop to that kind of sh_t from here on out. I dont completely agree with ANY political party, and I'm sure there are many like me, so I'd rather these party bots didn't use these unAmerican "Executive Orders" to shove a partisan agenda down our throats.

Any defenders of Executive Orders out there?
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE (Mizilus @ Nov 10 2008, 06:31 PM) *
Any defenders of Executive Orders out there?

Yeah, Obama. Not much point in being an executive if all you can do is rubber stamp legislative action.
underhi2p
QUOTE (Mizilus @ Nov 10 2008, 08:31 PM) *
So we hear that bush is pulling a bunch of executive orders on his way out. I'm sure clinton did a bunch, too.

How are Executive orders a good idea? Sure, Obama could undo them once he's in there, but what about those that happen mid term?

What instances would require an Executive order? Just anything? Or should there be limits? Life or death matters of national security and the like.

I'm sorry but I think bush and crew have over stepped and abused their power and I would just as soon we put a stop to that kind of sh_t from here on out. I dont completely agree with ANY political party, and I'm sure there are many like me, so I'd rather these party bots didn't use these unAmerican "Executive Orders" to shove a partisan agenda down our throats.

Any defenders of Executive Orders out there?



I'm a big fan of Executive Orders.

Anything to get around the current crop of farking lint licker douchefarks in Congress is a good idea.

Bart Katz
QUOTE (underhi2p @ Nov 10 2008, 07:52 PM) *
I'm a big fan of Executive Orders.

Anything to get around the current crop of farking lint licker douchefarks in Congress is a good idea.


Clinton left 29,000 pages of new EO's when he left office.
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE (underhi2p @ Nov 10 2008, 06:52 PM) *
I'm a big fan of Executive Orders.

Anything to get around the current crop of farking lint licker douchefarks in Congress is a good idea.



Just what Clinton said. Too bad the lefties all seem to have slept through the Clinton presidency.
hunin
QUOTE (Mizilus @ Nov 10 2008, 07:31 PM) *
So we hear that bush is pulling a bunch of executive orders on his way out. I'm sure clinton did a bunch, too.

How are Executive orders a good idea? Sure, Obama could undo them once he's in there, but what about those that happen mid term?

What instances would require an Executive order? Just anything? Or should there be limits? Life or death matters of national security and the like.

I'm sorry but I think bush and crew have over stepped and abused their power and I would just as soon we put a stop to that kind of sh_t from here on out. I dont completely agree with ANY political party, and I'm sure there are many like me, so I'd rather these party bots didn't use these unAmerican "Executive Orders" to shove a partisan agenda down our throats.

Any defenders of Executive Orders out there?


All things in moderation.

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To make up for losing the recent referendum for change in the nation's governance, the losers have come up with a snappy comeback: a coup.

Well, sort of a coup. The outgoing Bush administration is spiking the bureaucracy with political appointees who, through the miracle of executive fiat, have suddenly been transformed into civil servants.

As political operatives in the government's sundry bureaus, agencies and whatnot, they could have been chucked unceremoniously, and no doubt would have been, by the Obama administration. With the shape-shifters covered by Civil Service job protections, removing them will be as tough, and just about as much fun, as digging out ingrown toenails.

This process is not unknown. It has been around long enough to earn its own nickname - burrowing. But in the past it has been used mainly as a patronage hustle, a way to reward loyalists, not to thwart an incoming administration by confronting it with in-house opponents to the very policies on which the new president campaigned.

The Washington Post, which has been keeping track, has found high-level switches in the Labor and Interior departments, in the Bureau of Land Management, the Fish and Wildlife Service, often involving personnel with records of overriding professional judgments with ideological purposes.

The burrowing is part of the Bush administration's high-energy effort to use executive orders and other preemptive instruments to get in last-minute policy licks, especially against environmental protection. Typical winner: mountaintop strip mining. Typical loser: endangered species.

President Bush is getting high marks for the grace and openness with which he is greeting President-elect Obama, and rightly so. But once again, we find that Bush is just a covering glad hand for the strong-arm administration behind it.


http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/nov/23/co...ion-commentary/


Arturo_Vandelay
Dems are whining about that on the science thread too. Of course they didn't take the whining to crying coup.
hunin
The most unpopular lame duck is drastically overstepping.

Can a prez pardon himself? I donut think so or Nixon wouldn't have needed Ford.

Every exec order can be undone by the next prez. I trust they mostly will.

These last minute exec orders will just be another stain in the BushAdmin underwear.
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE (hunin @ Nov 23 2008, 06:50 PM) *
Every exec order can be undone by the next prez. I trust they mostly will.



Politics doesn't change.
hunin
Things change. Really. Over time. Even politics.

It's like a law of nature or something.

Not that I like it, but it is what it is. Omnia mutantur.
Spot
QUOTE (hunin @ Nov 23 2008, 07:17 PM) *
Things change. Really. Over time. Even politics.


Not many duels or riding crop beatings lately. Maybe some things are getting better.
hunin
Definitely, possible.
Nomarchy
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Nov 10 2008, 06:27 PM) *
Just what Clinton said. Too bad the lefties all seem to have slept through the Clinton presidency.


Oh yeah, all we lefties were all kissing Clinton's ass and poop for 8 years. Sure we did.

Of course, you'll hold THAT against us, too. As if there's ANYTHING you won't use to make a farking 'point' against 'lefties'.
inyerface

typical rightie

its his job
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