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Davis 2.0
Back when scandals didn't cost trillions or kill people
by kos
Thu Dec 18, 2008 at 10:30:03 AM PST

Yesterday, BarbinMD noted the GOP's use of the Holder nomination to try and rehash a greatest hits of Clinton Administration-era scandals:

Senate Republicans have requested information about Attorney General nominee Eric Holder’s role in the Elian Gonzalez controversy as part of a broad probe into his tenure with the Clinton administration and potential ties to presidential scandals during that era.

...the move to focus attention on the highly controversial Gonzalez case indicates the confirmation of President-elect Obama’s top law enforcement official will be anything but smooth.

Seeking information about Gonzalez suggests Republicans are seeking issues that will resonate outside the Beltway, unlike the Rich pardon. [...]

In a separate letter to current Attorney General Michael Mukasey, the senators ask for information tying Holder to 17 separate issues including the Rich pardon and the Gonzales case, but also Vice President Al Gore’s 1996 fundraising scandal and Clinton’s history of special prosecutors in the Whitewater and Monica Lewinsky scandals from 1993 to 2001.


What's most interesting to me about this, aside from Senate Democrats giving Republicans all the time in the world to prepare for their smear attack, is the nature of these so-called "scandals":

Let's see. 1) A father was reunited with his son, 2) a rich undeserving guy was pardoned, 3) the vice-president may have raised an illegal $65,000 at a Buddhist Temple, 4) a failed small-time Clinton real estate investment, and 5) Monica!

Quaint, huh? What with two failed wars, a deep recession, the collapse of Wall Street, the collapse of the banks, the collapse of AIG, the SEC's blind eye to Bernard Madoff $50 billion scam, Blackwater, Katrina, and on and on and on.

So after eight years that have cost us trillions, and will cost us trillions more to emerge from this economic armageddon, and eight years that have cost millions more their jobs, and hundreds of thousands their lives in Iraq and elsewhere ... this is how Republicans respond?

Monica! Whitewater! Elian! Rich!

If the worst we get out of the Obama Administration are trite and barely consequential "scandals" like those we "suffered" during the Clinton years, we'll all be able to rest much easier.


http://www.dailykos.com/
Arturo_Vandelay
Any criticism on Kos? I hear the lefties are mad about Rick Warren at the inauguration, but he has no power. It's mostly Clinton retreads otherwise.
Davis 2.0
A lot of criticisms at daily kos. Warren and LaHood being just two.
Bart Katz
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Dec 18 2008, 01:19 PM) *
Any criticism on Kos? I hear the lefties are mad about Rick Warren at the inauguration, but he has no power. It's mostly Clinton retreads otherwise.


Mad, they're furious. The gays and the MSM are after Warren with much passion. laugh.gif laugh.gif
beasty
QUOTE (Bart Katz @ Dec 18 2008, 11:56 AM) *
Mad, they're furious.



Good. Comparatively speaking conservatives are getting off easy.
Bart Katz
QUOTE (beasty @ Dec 18 2008, 01:59 PM) *
Good. Comparatively speaking conservatives are getting off easy.


I'm waiting for someone in MSM to attack Obama over this. I wouldn't be surprised if some changed gets made in the schedule. Maybe no prayer at all.
Davis 2.0
QUOTE (Bart Katz @ Dec 18 2008, 02:00 PM) *
I'm waiting for someone in MSM to attack Obama over this. I wouldn't be surprised if some changed gets made in the schedule. Maybe no prayer at all.



You're full of sheit. He's trying to heal the country.
Goldie
BrooklynBill
QUOTE (Davis 2.0 @ Dec 18 2008, 09:19 PM) *
You're full of sheit. He's trying to heal the country.


Please tell me you're joking, SERIOUSLY.
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE (BrooklynBill @ Dec 20 2008, 10:53 AM) *
Please tell me you're joking, SERIOUSLY.


Superbad new avatar.

I love Mr T. Beat cancer. Good bouncer and entertainer.
underhi2p
Rahm Emanuel as Chief of Staff is the worst pick by far.

The man is a douchebag and is wrapped up in the pay to play Blagojevich scandal.

The Baby Jesus should fire his ass now.

Arturo_Vandelay
Except Blago is innocent. I heard him say so, and Barry helped elect him, so he has to be clean.
Arturo_Vandelay
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081220/ap_on_...overnor_emanuel

Senate-for-sale case threatens new chief of staff

By BRETT J. BLACKLEDGE and TAMMY WEBBER, Associated Press Writers Brett J. Blackledge And Tammy Webber, Associated Press Writers – 1 hr 21 mins ago
In this Dec. 1, 2008 file photo, White House Chief of Staff designate Rahm AP – In this Dec. 1, 2008 file photo, White House Chief of Staff designate Rahm Emanuel listens to President-elect …

CHICAGO – Gov. Rod Blagojevich is legendary in Illinois political circles for not picking up the phone or returning calls, even from important figures like the state's senior senator, Dick Durbin.

But there was always one call Blagojevich regularly took, say his aides, and that was from Rahm Emanuel — his congressman, his one-time campaign adviser and, more recently — and troubling for Emanuel — one of his contacts with President-elect Barack Obama's transition staff.


The friendly rapport Blagojevich and Emanuel shared over the years has suddenly become a troubling liability for Emanuel and the new president he will serve as chief of staff.

Emanuel and Obama have remained silent about what, if anything, Emanuel knew of the governor's alleged efforts to peddle Obama's vacant Senate seat to the highest bidder.

Emanuel did contact the governor's office about the appointment and left Blagojevich with the impression that he was pushing Valerie Jarrett, a close Obama friend, so he wouldn't have to compete with her in the White House for Obama's attention, said a person close to Blagojevich. The person was not authorized to talk about the governor's discussions regarding the vacancy and requested anonymity.

It was not clear whether Blagojevich inferred Emanuel's motive for advocating Jarrett, or whether Emanuel discussed the appointment with Blagojevich directly or with John Harris, the governor's then-chief of staff who also is charged in the case, according to the source.

Emanuel's refusal to discuss the matter publicly, and the few comments offered by Obama to date, have prompted questions about Emanuel's ties to Blagojevich and what fallout he'll face as the criminal case unfolds, although sources have said he is not a target of prosecutors. Even so, any hint of scandal for Emanuel threatens to tarnish Obama's promise of new political leadership free of scandal and corruption.

Obama has said he will release a full accounting of his transition staff's interaction with Blagojevich and his aides over his Senate replacement once he receives the OK from prosecutors sometime this week. Until then, Obama has said it would be inappropriate for him or his aides to comment further.

Prosecutors refer in the 76-page complaint to the governor's discussions on FBI tapes about a "president-elect advisor," believed to be Emanuel, but they do not specifically cite contacts with Emanuel or anyone on Obama's transition staff.

Instead, the taped conversations reveal Blagojevich telling others to float his idea by the president's adviser of forming a nonprofit that he hoped would, with Obama's help, receive millions of dollars that the governor could tap later.

Blagojevich said he didn't want the idea associated directly in conversations about the Senate appointment or filling Emanuel's seat in the House, according to the complaint. However, Blagojevich is quoted as saying "I want it to be in his head" for later discussions about Emanuel's successor.

It was Blagojevich who, seemingly out of nowhere, yanked Emanuel into his scandal when answering reporters' questions the day before his Dec. 9 arrest, invoking his name in an apparent attempt to shrug off any perception of wrongdoing.

He said he wasn't concerned about a report in the Chicago Tribune that confidant and former aide John Wyma's cooperation had helped lead federal prosecutors to tape the governor's conversations.

Big deal, Blagojevich said. He said he's "always lawful" whenever he speaks, and he was confident Wyma has been "an honest person who's conducted himself in an honest way. That's the John Wyma I know and it's the John Wyma that Rahm Emanuel knows and a lot of other people know."

Blagojevich is right. Wyma does have ties to both him and Emanuel, those close to both have said. And Wyma's clients contributed to both — more than $100,000 to Emanuel's campaigns and causes, and more than $445,000 to Blagojevich's, according to campaign finance records reviewed by The Associated Press.

Wyma and his attorney, Zachary Fardon, did not respond to interview requests.

Emanuel's defenders say he is hardly an ally of Blagojevich.

"They were in different worlds personally and politically," said Peter Giangreco, a political consultant on Blagojevich's 1996 congressional campaign and his two gubernatorial races. "They only dealt with each other because they occupied the same political geography."

Emanuel's effort to promote Jarrett or anyone else for Obama's vacant Senate seat was more a part of his new job description and less a reflection of close ties, Emanuel's supporters have said.

But there was more to their relationship than a polite acquaintance. The two share a political past, rooted on Chicago's North Side, and a friendly relationship — although not a close friendship — that made Emanuel the obvious choice to push Obama's preferences to fill his vacant Senate seat, current and former Blagojevich aides said.
Davis 2.0
Then they produced tapes that showed.....?
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