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SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(Lord_Proprietor @ Sep 9 2005, 06:17 PM)
Some of you guys just keep propping-up, buttressing  the incompetents in coastal Louisiana and especially New Orleans just because they are black, right?

You rather blame someone up the ladder that you don't feel sorry for. I guess that is bacause you think the blacks  just can't do it, and  you don't want to embarass the minorities, or for heaven's sake, take the chance of being  called a biased or prejudiced person.  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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underhi2p
What the farg is The Y'at?

gtessex
QUOTE(underhi2p @ Sep 9 2005, 07:53 PM)
What the farg is The Y'at?
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Good question....I don't know neither! tongue.gif

With this poll, I need a couple more 'selections'!

Baffoon of a mayor would have been my selection.

I like your new Avatar! smile.gif
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(underhi2p @ Sep 9 2005, 06:53 PM)
What the farg is The Y'at?
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What's a Yat?

"Yat" is a term for the quintessential neighborhood New Orleanian. It's derived from the local greeting, "Where y'at!", although it tends not to be used by locals in the way it's used by outsiders. I never really heard the term while growing up, and neither did many of my fellow New Orleanians. It's come into casual acceptance, although the acknowledged expert on local speech, Bunny Matthews, hates the word and considers it a pejorative. Bunny told me he though that it's "the kind of thing that a Tulane student from the Northeast would come up with." Personally, I don't think Tulane students from the Northeast were that clever, but I respect Bunny's thoughts on the matter.

Many if not most New Orleanians will use a few, some or all of the terms below, but not all New Orleanians employ the truly hardcore local pronunciations. A brief explanation of what constitutes the true essence of local speech and its users is offered here, excerpted from Tim Lyman's introduction to Bunny Matthews' wonderful first book of comic strips featuring New Orleans dialogue, F'Sure!: Actual Dialogue Heard on the Streets of New Orleans, now sadly out of print. In a bit of double irony, not only is Tim not a local (Bunny describes him as a "Yankee"), but Bunny himself refuses to use the word "Yat" to describe either locals or their speech. Still, it's one of the best descriptions of localness I've ever read:

    For those of you unfamiliar with New Orleans culture, a good place to start is that there are basically only two kinds of people in New Orleans.

    The first is those folks that live, as one [of Bunny's] cartoon characters puts it, in Gatorland -- "Yeah, you know ... ova dere across Magazine where dey all wear dem shoits wid lil' gators on 'em." Otherwise knows as Uptown, you can tell folks from Gatorland in the cartoons because they speak English. Another clue is that all skinny people are from Gatorland, although not all people from Gatorland are skinny. And they often have 59 rows of teeth.

    The other kind of New Orleanian is Everyone Else, dose folks dat talk normal. Be they Black, White or Creole, whether they live right in the backyards of Uptown or way out in da Ninth Ward, Chalmette, or even across da River, they are united in the fact that their homes and lives have not been renovated, that life is the same as it's always been, only worse.

    The best generic term for Everyone Else is "Yat", a word too often limited by its etymology so that it refers merely to those who greet you with "Where y'at?" most often. Yat is actually much broader than this; it is a state of mind.

http://www.gumbopages.com/yatspeak.html
Russ Logan
gumbopages?!!!?

Oh, man, if they've perfected paper that smells and tastes like real, down home, gumbo........

Pass the paper please! I'm sooooo there!

I'll happily chew on it!
Arturo_Vandelay

The problem is it's BELOW FUCKING SEA LEVEL.

Like Atlantis. (not Atlanta)
davisął
QUOTE(Russ Logan @ Sep 9 2005, 07:53 PM)
gumbopages?!!!?

Oh, man, if they've perfected paper that smells and tastes like real, down home, gumbo........

Pass the paper please! I'm sooooo there!

I'll happily chew on it!
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not fer chewin'



ooooooohhhheeeee!
davisął
Leave the hot sauce off
Bart Katz
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Arturo_Vandelay
What's that "penitentiary" in the fine print?
Human Ills
Since it wasn't listed, I'll write my vote in.

Government corruption.
inyerface
Government corruption trickle down
inyerface
Have You No Shame?
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/edcut?pid=20206

Blame the Victims FEMA sought to excuse its delays in entering the city by blaming the looters.

Blame the Locals In a stroke of political luck, both the New Orleans mayor and Louisiana's Governor are Democrats.

Blame the City Chertoff pointed the finger the city of New Orleans itself, saying, "It is a soup bowl

Blame the Media Brown blamed media coverage for the perception that New Orleans had descended into lawlessness.

Ignoramus Defense Soledad O'Brien asked, "How is it possible that we're getting better intel than you're getting?" But it was left up to our physically fit President for the whopper of the week: "I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees."



inyerface
"whats that?"

"a cliff, sir."

"huh?"

"the edge of the world."

"full speed ahead."
arebuntz
QUOTE(Human Ills @ Sep 10 2005, 12:34 AM)
Since it wasn't listed, I'll write my vote in.

Government corruption.
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Better reason than anything in the poll.
Lord_Proprietor
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Sep 9 2005, 07:43 PM)

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Yes, Space,

More and More of the media, finally, are beginning to state the fact that the gubmit of New Orleans (controlled by the blacks) was totally unprepared for this disaster and performed poorly when it came to getting its people to safety. They did not use the resources they had listed in their plan. The Mayor, Ray (school bus) Nagin was yelling for some other gubmit to come rescue him. The same is being said of the the female Governor. Even the BBC has stated the facts and that's saying something!
hunin
Predictable. Those pesky coons, eh LP?

And that predictability the whole impetus of Space's starting this sarcastic poll methinks.
inyerface
'Depths of cruelty: How uncaring and brutally incompetent can right wing get?'
http://www.abqtrib.com/albq/op_columnists/...4068413,00.html

The Bush administration couldn't get emergency relief to New Orleans for days after the endlessly predicted, catastrophic hurricane and flooding two weeks ago.

But close to 24 hours after the death of U.S. Chief Justice William Rehnquist, the White House, swamped in criticism over New Orleans, named John Roberts as its choice to fill Rehnquist's shoes.

In one case, planning was nonexistent, because the ruling party saw no political advantage to it. In the other, planning was meticulously precise, the political advantage being obvious to everyone.
inyerface
Welcome to the real world, Mr. President. Any ideas on what to do now?

I'm looking forward to seeing this investigation Bush intends to personally launch. But why go through the motions? Just put out the report now blaming every failure on Louisiana's Democrats.

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/09/11/Columns/...lly_bites.shtml
davisął
Bush heading an investigation into ... himself? His appointees? His administration?

That should be quite entertaining.
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(hunin @ Sep 11 2005, 09:11 AM)
Predictable. Those pesky coons, eh LP?

And that predictability the whole impetus of Space's starting this sarcastic poll methinks.
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Indeed.

At least he's stopped spelling Nagin with two g's.

Lord_Proprietor
QUOTE(hunin @ Sep 11 2005, 10:11 AM)
Predictable. Those pesky coons, eh LP?

And that predictability the whole impetus of Space's starting this sarcastic poll methinks.
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When I was a small kid, Scribe, my Mom taught me, firmly, that I was not to use words disrespectful of race. Her teaching was thorough enough that it has stayed with me through out my life. IMO, you are the one with a race problem. I believe it is disrespectful not to expect/require of blacks the same as we do of other people. It is quite obvious to me that you think differently.
Lord_Proprietor
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Sep 11 2005, 12:08 PM)
Indeed.

At least he's stopped spelling Nagin with two g's.
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It is obvious that neither of you can discuss the responsibilities of Mayor Ray (school Bus) Nagin without wallering in the racial gutter!
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(Lord_Proprietor @ Sep 11 2005, 11:19 AM)
When I was a small kid, Scribe, my Mom taught me, firmly, that I was not to use words disrespectful of race.  Her teaching was thorough enough that it has stayed with me through out my life.  IMO, you are the one with a race problem.  I  believe it is disrespectful not to expect/require of blacks the same as we do of other people.  It is quite obvious to me that you think differently.
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Yes, indeed, it must be your remarkable color blindness that causes you to place Barak Obama in the same category of "Race Warlords" as you put Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

Now, most would agree that Jackson and Sharpton are race baiting scammers, as we have seen that behavior in them over the years.

What caused you to smear Obama that way?

Please cite specific examples of Obama's "Race Warlord" behavior.

QUOTE(Lord_Proprietor @ Sep 11 2005, 10:29 AM)
Race War Lord Barack Obama is now on with Little Georgie Steppienoppolis and decrying the feds lack of aid in the New Orleans area.

Not one question or word about the Mayor of New Orleans or the Governor and their  lack of action in their job as first responders!  Truly a perfect example of bias in the media and race baiting if I've ever seen one. 

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QUOTE(Lord_Proprietor @ Sep 11 2005, 10:49 AM)
And just as racist as JJ and Al!
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davisął
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Sep 11 2005, 11:27 AM)
Yes, indeed, it must be your remarkable color blindness that causes you to place Barak Obama in the same category of "Race Warlords" as you put Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

Now, most would agree that Jackson and Sharpton are race baiting scammers, as we have seen that behavior in them over the years.

What caused you to smear Obama that way?

Please cite specific examples of Obama's "Race Warlord" behavior.
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I'll take race baiting for a hundred Alex.
Human Ills
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Sep 11 2005, 08:27 AM)
Yes, indeed, it must be your remarkable color blindness that causes you to place Barak Obama in the same category of "Race Warlords" as you put Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

Now, most would agree that Jackson and Sharpton are race baiting scammers, as we have seen that behavior in them over the years.

What caused you to smear Obama that way?

Please cite specific examples of Obama's "Race Warlord" behavior.
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When enough evidence is in to prove LP correct about Obama, are you planning on apologizing?

heh.
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(Human Ills @ Sep 11 2005, 12:54 PM)
When enough evidence is in to prove LP correct about Obama, are you planning on apologizing?

heh.
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Bring on the evidence.
Grigorii
QUOTE(Human Ills @ Sep 11 2005, 11:54 AM)
When enough evidence is in to prove LP correct about Obama, are you planning on apologizing?

heh.
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Well you could start by giving your evidence against Obama since you appear to be familiar with such.
Human Ills
LP brings the evidence and gets slammed for being racist.
I'll go ahead and wait until it's so overwhelming that even you two have to say he's a race baiter.
Of course, by then we'll be on to the next asshole.
Grigorii
QUOTE(Human Ills @ Sep 11 2005, 12:04 PM)
LP brings the evidence and gets slammed for being racist.
I'll go ahead and wait until it's so overwhelming that even you two have to say he's a race baiter.
Of course, by then we'll be on to the next asshole.
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I see you, you think LP posts ir re, constitute evidence? They do not! His posts are deliberate Rovian like smear jobs. Now where is your evidence?
Human Ills
QUOTE(Grigorii @ Sep 11 2005, 10:08 AM)
I see you, you think LP posts ir re, constitute evidence? They do not! His posts are deliberate Rovian like smear jobs. Now where is your evidence?
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FO I said the evidence would mount over a career. Dickhead.
Grigorii
QUOTE(Human Ills @ Sep 11 2005, 12:09 PM)
FO I said the evidence would mount over a career. Dickhead.
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So you have noevidence then? Just an opinion damaging to a man's career.
Mizilus
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Human Ills
QUOTE(Grigorii @ Sep 11 2005, 10:13 AM)
So you have noevidence then? Just an opinion damaging to a man's career.
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Fuck you asshole. Jesse Jackson was taken seriously by your side for FUCKING YEARS.
Human Ills
Only recently has your side been forced to admit that he's a piece of shit with no credibility. Well guess what? Many knew that from the beginning.
There was a time they were called racist for saying so.
Did I tell you to go fuck yourself yet?
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(Lord_Proprietor @ Sep 11 2005, 09:19 AM)
When I was a small kid, Scribe, my Mom taught me, firmly, that I was not to use words disrespectful of race.  Her teaching was thorough enough that it has stayed with me through out my life.  IMO, you are the one with a race problem.  I  believe it is disrespectful not to expect/require of blacks the same as we do of other people.  It is quite obvious to me that you think differently.
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To be a good liberal minorities can't be equal, they have to be special.

Unless they're successful. See how much special treatment Asians get from Dems.
Bart Katz
The dude that goes around supporting incompetence, just because the incompetent one is black, is the dude that has the problem.
Bart Katz
I don't think Obama is playing the race card just because he's black, it's just part of the dem party line in this instance.
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Sep 11 2005, 02:02 PM)
The dude that goes around supporting incompetence, just because the incompetent one is black, is the dude that has the problem.
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Indeed, but I’m not that dude. Mayor Nagin failed his responsibilities, as did the Governor, and the FEMA Director.
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Sep 11 2005, 02:02 PM)
I don't think Obama is playing the race card just because he's black, it's just part of the dem party line in this instance.
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I don't think Obama has been playing the "race card" particularly, and certainly not in the Sharpton or Jackson mode.

Bart Katz
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Sep 11 2005, 02:10 PM)
I don't think Obama has been playing the "race card" particularly, and certainly not in the Sharpton or Jackson mode.
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They're all playing the race card. Poor blacks, poor blacks, poor blacks. Listen to any one of the dems on a news talk show.
Bart Katz
QUOTE
I recently received the following message from a very reliable source (a

retired Two Star General of unquestionable repute) and thought it would

provide each of you with correct information counter to what some of the

media are erroneously reporting.



Message reads as follows:



On Friday night before the storm hit, Max Mayfield of the National

Hurricane Center, took the unprecedented action of calling Nagin and

Blanco personally to plead with them to begin MANDATORY evacuation of

NO, and they said they'd take it under consideration. This was after the

NOAA buoy 240 miles south had recorded 68' waves before it was

destroyed.



President Bush spent Friday afternoon and evening in meetings with his

advisors and administrators drafting all of the paperwork required for a

state to request federal assistance (not be in violation of the Posse

Comitatus Act or having to enact the Insurgency Act). Just before

midnight Friday evening the President called Governor Blanco and pleaded

with her to sign the request papers so the federal government and the

military could legally begin mobilization and call up. He was told that

they didn't think it necessary for the federal government to be involved

yet.



After the President's final call to the governor she held meetings with

her staff to discuss the political ramifications of bringing federal

forces. It was decided that if they allowed federal assistance it would

make it look as if they had failed so it was agreed upon that the feds

would not be invited in.



Saturday before the storm hit the President again called Blanco and

Nagin requesting they please sign the papers requesting federal

assistance, that they declare the state an emergency area, and begin

mandatory evacuation. After a personal plea from the President Nagin

agreed to order an evacuation, but it would not be a full mandatory

evacuation, and the governor still refused to sign the papers requesting

and authorizing federal action.



In frustration the President declared the area a national disaster area

before the state of Louisiana did, so that he could legally begin some

advanced preparations. Rumor has it that the President's legal advisers

were looking into the ramifications of using the insurgency act to

bypass the Constitutional requirement that a state request federal aid

before the federal government can move into state with troops - but that

had not been done since 1906 and the Constitutionality of it was called

into question to use before the disaster. Throw in that over half the

federal aid of the past decade to NO for levee construction,

maintenance, and repair was diverted to fund a marina and support the

gambling ships. Toss in the investigation that will look into why the

emergency preparedness plan submitted to the federal government for

funding and published on the city's website was never implemented and in

fact may have been bogus for the purpose of gaining additional federal

funding as we now learn that the organizations identified in the plan

were never contacted or coordinating into any planning - though the

document implies that they were.



The suffering people of NO need to be asking some hard questions as do

we all, but they better start with why Blanco refused to even sign the

multi-state mutual aid pack activation documents until Wednesday which

further delayed the legal deployment of National Guard from adjoining

states. Or maybe ask why Nagin keeps harping that the President should

have commandeered 500 Greyhound busses to help him when according to his

own emergency plan and documents he claimed to have over 500 busses at

his disposal to use between the local school busses and the city

transportation busses - but he never raised a finger to prepare them or

activate them.



This is a sad time for all of us to see that a major city has all but

been destroyed and thousands of people have died with hundreds of

thousands more suffering, but it's certainly not a time for people to be

pointing fingers and trying to find a bigger dog to blame for local

corruption and incompetence. Pray to God for the survivors that they can

start their lives anew as fast as possible and we learn from all the

mistakes to avoid them in the future.

Bart Katz
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Sep 11 2005, 02:07 PM)
Indeed, but I’m not that dude. Mayor Nagin failed his responsibilities, as did the Governor, and the FEMA Director.
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No you are not that dude.
Bart Katz
This is probably the best opportunity for the dems to take advantage of racial aspects in a long long time. A town with 64% black population gets wiped out. It couldn't get much better. The situation is ready made for it.
hunin
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Sep 11 2005, 02:13 PM)

[COLOR=blue]...In frustration the President declared the area a national disaster area

before the state of Louisiana did.....

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That is erroneous.

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On Friday, August 26, 2005, the National Hurricane Center first predicted that Hurricane Katrina would become a Category 4 storm, and therefore beyond the design limits of the levees protecting mostly below sea level New Orleans.



And Governor Blanco declared a state of emergency.



The next day, Saturday, August 27, 2005, President Bush declared an emergency in Louisiana and ordered federal aid to "supplement state and local responses in the parishes located in the path of Hurricane Katrina beginning on August 26, 2005, and continuing."



http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_9380.shtml

Bart Katz
CNN Sues Over FEMA Dead Body Request

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CNN said a federal judge issued a temporary restraining order Friday heading off a federal ban on showing photos of people left dead by Hurricane Katrina.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency this week asked news agencies to refrain from airing or publishing photos of dead bodies, and excluded media from some recovery missions in New Orleans.

The recovery of victims is being treated with dignity and the utmost respect and we have requested that no photographs of the deceased by made by the media, said FEMA in a statement.

CNN announced the suit Friday afternoon, saying that prohibition of airing the pictures would prevent full and fair coverage of the story.


http://www.13wham.com/news/national/story....04-1102EEF4A861
Bart Katz
QUOTE(hunin @ Sep 11 2005, 02:33 PM)
[color=blue]
That is erroneous.
http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_9380.shtml
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Ray Nagin Is NOT America's Mayor

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Rudy Giuliani became America's Mayor as a result of the calm and positive way he responded to the September 11 terrorist attack.



Ray Nagin, the Mayor of New Orleans, will not be known as America's Mayor.



He will be remembered as the man who waited too long to order and implement a mandatory evaluation.  And then blamed others, including the federal government, even though President Bush had urged him to order mandatory evacuation and he had dawdled.



From Hunin's link.
hunin
Heh, I thought you'd like MichNews. "Most In-depth, Conservative, Honest News & Commentary." wink.gif
Bart Katz
QUOTE(hunin @ Sep 11 2005, 02:45 PM)
Heh, I thought you'd like MichNews. "Most In-depth, Conservative, Honest News & Commentary." wink.gif
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Not such a good place to get your timeline link. laugh.gif laugh.gif
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Sep 11 2005, 12:10 PM)
I don't think Obama has been playing the "race card" particularly, and certainly not in the Sharpton or Jackson mode.
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They rally the national base, for now he's just local. Dems would do well to give some more exposure to people like he and Harold Ford and relegate Jackson and Sharpton to preaching to the faithful locally. (and shaking down Burger King)
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