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Obama_Akhbar
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Jul 23 2008, 06:39 AM) *
Shaloub.


Good actor.
Arturo_Vandelay
New season.
Obama_Akhbar
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Jul 23 2008, 08:17 AM) *
New season.


Oh yeah? When does it start?
CharlieRay
QUOTE (Obama_Akhbar @ Jul 22 2008, 12:30 PM) *
Greetings to all!

I'm a new member and I thought I'd introduce myself.

I'm an assistant prof of Economics at UC Berkley. I got my M.S. and Ph.D. in economics from UMASS Amherst. The topic of dissertation was "Application of Marxist Economic Theory to the Modern American Marketplace."

The topic I've come to study lately is Islamic Culture and Islamic Law (Sha'ria). I am currently on a sabbatical, traveling back and forth to London authoring a paper with some Fellows at the Center for Islamic Thought.

The paper deals with integrating Islamic concepts of justice and peace with the British legal framework.

I am looking forward to the informed, balanced discussions!


Welcome to the forums.

I have a question, but I'm not sure how to frame it. I'm wondering about Sharia Law and how much actual justice and peace actually result from it in the real world. So many concepts and institutions of mankind are really good, until they actually get mankind involved in them.

It seems to me that actually involving mankind messes up even the most heavenly of concepts and institutions.
Repub_Bub
QUOTE (CharlieRay @ Jul 23 2008, 07:25 AM) *
Welcome to the forums.

I have a question, but I'm not sure how to frame it. I'm wondering about Sharia Law and how much actual justice and peace actually result from it in the real world. So many concepts and institutions of mankind are really good, until they actually get mankind involved in them.

It seems to me that actually involving mankind messes up even the most heavenly of concepts and institutions.

He's starting a correspondence course through the University of Phoenix...there are some tough prerequisits, though.
Obama_Akhbar
QUOTE (CharlieRay @ Jul 23 2008, 06:25 PM) *
Welcome to the forums.

I have a question, but I'm not sure how to frame it. I'm wondering about Sharia Law and how much actual justice and peace actually result from it in the real world. So many concepts and institutions of mankind are really good, until they actually get mankind involved in them.

It seems to me that actually involving mankind messes up even the most heavenly of concepts and institutions.


Well Sha'ria law is meant to take control away from mankind, which you correctly characterized as being corruptible and imperfect, and put into the hands of Allah.

It is the only rightful system of governance for mankind.

Take the course with Repub_Bub, I think you'll be convinced.
inyerface
what part of "I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" don't you understand?
CharlieRay
QUOTE (Obama_Akhbar @ Jul 23 2008, 10:01 AM) *
Well Sha'ria law is meant to take control away from mankind, which you correctly characterized as being corruptible and imperfect, and put into the hands of Allah.

It is the only rightful system of governance for mankind.

Take the course with Repub_Bub, I think you'll be convinced.


Well, in the real world, it seems to me that the disparities between rich and poor, powerful and disempowered, labor and capital are just as bad or worse under Sharia as they are under any other system.

On peace, I don't see a lot of difference there either. Of course even Christianity, my religion of peace which is likewise supposed to be dedicated to the laws of God, has been corrupted by the human nature of it's practitioners.
Obama_Akhbar
QUOTE (CharlieRay @ Jul 23 2008, 08:39 PM) *
Well, in the real world, it seems to me that the disparities between rich and poor, powerful and disempowered, labor and capital are just as bad or worse under Sharia as they are under any other system.

On peace, I don't see a lot of difference there either. Of course even Christianity, my religion of peace which is likewise supposed to be dedicated to the laws of God, has been corrupted by the human nature of it's practitioners.


If one studies the Actions and Words of the Prophet (PBUH), one can see that peace can only be achieved once the Kuffar have been completely converted or annihiliated. Allah has decreed that Islam impose His Rule upon all nations of the earth.

The abuses which take place in the name of Sha'ria do not reflect the true meaning of the Divine Law. All who commit these atrocities are poisonous Kuffar and must be annihilated.
inyerface
did he rise from the dead?
Obama_Akhbar
QUOTE (inyerface @ Jul 23 2008, 10:03 PM) *
did he rise from the dead?


On several occasions yes.
inyerface
link please
BrooklynBill
QUOTE (Obama_Akhbar @ Jul 23 2008, 05:59 PM) *
If one studies the Actions and Words of the Prophet (PBUH), one can see that peace can only be achieved once the Kuffar have been completely converted or annihiliated. Allah has decreed that Islam impose His Rule upon all nations of the earth.

The abuses which take place in the name of Sha'ria do not reflect the true meaning of the Divine Law. All who commit these atrocities are poisonous Kuffar and must be annihilated.


I have read the words of the Prophet. Islam is a gutter religion like all the rest.

Also, Sha'ria law will never get passed in the US or the West.
Obama_Akhbar
QUOTE (TruthTrekker @ Jul 23 2008, 10:06 PM) *
I have read the words of the Prophet. Islam is a gutter religion like all the rest.


Silence Kuffar! All who blaspheme Islam will be annihilated.
BrooklynBill
QUOTE (Obama_Akhbar @ Jul 23 2008, 07:07 PM) *
Silence Kuffar! All who blaspheme Islam will be annihilated.


Mohammed was a pedophile.
Bart Katz
QUOTE (Obama_Akhbar @ Jul 23 2008, 01:07 PM) *
Silence Kuffar! All who blaspheme Islam will be annihilated.


Go fark yourself.
Obama_Akhbar
QUOTE (TruthTrekker @ Jul 23 2008, 10:09 PM) *
Mohammed was a pedophile.


You cannot apply the morality of today to someone 1400 years ago. And you certainly cannot do so to a divine individual.

You're the paedophile!
BrooklynBill
QUOTE (Obama_Akhbar @ Jul 23 2008, 07:12 PM) *
You cannot apply the morality of today to someone 1400 years ago. And you certainly cannot do so to a divine individual.

You're the paedophile!


Ah, yes I can. Normal men don't fark little girls.

I wipe my ass with the Koran.
Bart Katz
QUOTE (Obama_Akhbar @ Jul 23 2008, 01:12 PM) *
You cannot apply the morality of today to someone 1400 years ago. And you certainly cannot do so to a divine individual.

You're the paedophile!


Mohamed and his boys were a bunch of murdering bastards. Nobody converted to muslimism voluntarily. fark those mother farkers.
Obama_Akhbar
QUOTE (Bart Katz @ Jul 23 2008, 10:16 PM) *
Mohamed and his boys were a bunch of murdering bastards. Nobody converted to muslimism voluntarily. fark those mother farkers.


Who cares? As long as they converted!
Bart Katz
QUOTE (Obama_Akhbar @ Jul 23 2008, 01:17 PM) *
Who cares? As long as they converted!


I care you supporter of murdering bastards.
Obama_Akhbar
QUOTE (Bart Katz @ Jul 23 2008, 10:20 PM) *
I care you supporter of murdering bastards.


That's cute. Are you an American citizen? Do you pay taxes? Are you Christian?

If you answer "yes" to any or especially all of those questions, then you're a hypocrite!
inyerface

QUOTE
murdering bastards


most of humanity
Bart Katz
QUOTE (Obama_Akhbar @ Jul 23 2008, 01:23 PM) *
That's cute. Are you an American citizen? Do you pay taxes? Are you Christian?

If you answer "yes" to any or especially all of those questions, then you're a hypocrite!


My ancestors killed lots of stinking Moslems during the Crusades. They did the best they could to protect Christians and Jews from the filthy cock suckers.
BrooklynBill
QUOTE (inyerface @ Jul 23 2008, 06:23 PM) *
most of humanity


You're right.

The only difference is, the Middle East is the cultural armpit of the world.
inyerface

they just need KFC
Obama_Akhbar
QUOTE (Bart Katz @ Jul 23 2008, 10:25 PM) *
My ancestors killed lots of stinking Moslems during the Crusades. They did the best they could to protect Christians and Jews from the filthy cock suckers.


Oh really? Which one? They were all so succesfull!

And I have heard of the "protection" afforded to the Jews by your ancestors.

You just keep digging yourself a deeper hole there.
Obama_Akhbar
QUOTE (TruthTrekker @ Jul 23 2008, 10:26 PM) *
You're right.

The only difference is, the Middle East is the cultural armpit of the world.



Kuffar how dare you?! It's at least the groin!
BrooklynBill
QUOTE (inyerface @ Jul 23 2008, 07:29 PM) *
they just need KFC


laugh.gif

They need us to leave, that's what is needed.
inyerface
you are what you eat

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what... they don't like our freedom?
BrooklynBill
QUOTE (Bart Katz @ Jul 23 2008, 07:25 PM) *
My ancestors killed lots of stinking Moslems during the Crusades. They did the best they could to protect Christians and Jews from the filthy cock suckers.


Er, the Crusades had noting to do with protecting Jews, quite the contrary.
Bart Katz
QUOTE (Obama_Akhbar @ Jul 23 2008, 01:33 PM) *
Oh really? Which one? They were all so succesfull!

And I have heard of the "protection" afforded to the Jews by your ancestors.

You just keep digging yourself a deeper hole there.


What is it about go fark yourself that you don't understand dude? Now fark off. Got that?
Bart Katz
QUOTE (TruthTrekker @ Jul 23 2008, 01:34 PM) *
Er, the Crusades had noting to do with protecting Jews, quite the contrary.


Knights Templar protected all pilgrims from the muzzies.
Obama_Akhbar
QUOTE (Bart Katz @ Jul 23 2008, 10:35 PM) *
What is it about go fark yourself that you don't understand dude? Now fark off. Got that?


Your eloquence is striking; the verity of your responces irrefutable.
Obama_Akhbar
QUOTE (Bart Katz @ Jul 23 2008, 10:35 PM) *
Knights Templar protected all pilgrims from the muzzies.


They did an awesome job at it! And then got their reward from the rulers they served!
BrooklynBill
QUOTE (Bart Katz @ Jul 23 2008, 06:35 PM) *
Knights Templar protected all pilgrims from the muzzies.


The Knights Templar were a bunch of Catholic mercenaries. The pogroms started with the Crusades. Jews actually fought with Muslims to defend Jerusalem.
Bart Katz
QUOTE (TruthTrekker @ Jul 23 2008, 01:39 PM) *
The Knights Templar were a bunch of Catholic mercenaries. The pogroms started with the Crusades. Jews actually fought with Muslims to defend Jerusalem.


Suit yourself man. Your history doesn't usually agree with mine anyway.
BrooklynBill
QUOTE (Bart Katz @ Jul 23 2008, 06:40 PM) *
Suit yourself man. Your history doesn't usually agree with mine anyway.


What I told you is historical fact, it's not open to 'interpretation'.

Some of may ancestors in Italy may have perished over the this garbage. I'm not sure, but it is a possibility.

See:

Persecution of Jews in the First Crusade
Bart Katz
Like I said. ..... .........................
Goldie
QUOTE (Obama_Akhbar @ Jul 22 2008, 02:30 PM) *
Greetings to all!

I'm a new member and I thought I'd introduce myself.

I'm an assistant prof of Economics at UC Berkley. I got my M.S. and Ph.D. in economics from UMASS Amherst. The topic of dissertation was "Application of Marxist Economic Theory to the Modern American Marketplace."

The topic I've come to study lately is Islamic Culture and Islamic Law (Sha'ria). I am currently on a sabbatical, traveling back and forth to London authoring a paper with some Fellows at the Center for Islamic Thought.

The paper deals with integrating Islamic concepts of justice and peace with the British legal framework.

I am looking forward to the informed, balanced discussions!


Welcome! It will be very challenging to have an informed balanced discussion but perhaps you will receive a few nuggets. laugh.gif

Maybe your topic of integrating Islamic concepts of justice and peace with the British legal framework will not bring your desired responses but if you want to discuss the concept of American self-government with Sharia Law, it may.
Obama_Akhbar
QUOTE (Goldie @ Jul 23 2008, 10:54 PM) *
Welcome! It will be very challenging to have an informed balanced discussion but perhaps you will receive a few nuggets. laugh.gif

Maybe your topic of integrating Islamic concepts of justice and peace with the British legal framework will not bring your desired responses but if you want to discuss the concept of American self-government with Sharia Law, it may.


Thank you. I have received a few "gems" in the last day or so.

American self-government with Sharia Law is an interesting topic to discuss.
Goldie
The American experiment in self-government presupposed that the people had the capacity to govern themselves. When Thomas Jefferson penned the DOI, he included the phrase that there were "self-evident' truths built into the human person by God by which they could claim freedom and liberty. The Continental Congress all concurred.
inyerface

then Leo Strauss and the neocons decided that the public can't handle the truth, and must be fed lies for the greater good
Innocent
QUOTE (TruthTrekker @ Jul 23 2008, 02:09 PM) *
Mohammed was a pedophile.


Mary was supposedly 13 or 14 when she was impregnated, so apparently the Christian God shares the same proclivities.
Innocent
QUOTE (Obama_Akhbar @ Jul 23 2008, 02:17 PM) *
Who cares? As long as they converted!


What God would desire fake worship? It's not real.
Innocent
QUOTE (Goldie @ Jul 23 2008, 02:54 PM) *
Welcome! It will be very challenging to have an informed balanced discussion but perhaps you will receive a few nuggets. laugh.gif

Maybe your topic of integrating Islamic concepts of justice and peace with the British legal framework will not bring your desired responses but if you want to discuss the concept of American self-government with Sharia Law, it may.


A JT pseud talking to a JT pseud? Bizzarro.
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE (Innocent @ Jul 23 2008, 07:33 PM) *
A JT pseud talking to a JT pseud? Bizzarro.


Wrong on both counts. Neither is a JT pseud.
Innocent
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Jul 23 2008, 10:59 PM) *
Wrong on both counts. Neither is a JT pseud.


What, it's like the Graeae, except instead of sharing an eye they share a personality and pass it between them?
Nomarchy
QUOTE (Goldie @ Jul 23 2008, 12:03 PM) *
The American experiment in self-government presupposed that the people had the capacity to govern themselves. When Thomas Jefferson penned the DOI, he included the phrase that there were "self-evident' truths built into the human person by God by which they could claim freedom and liberty. The Continental Congress all concurred.


He did nothing of the sort. Not even a hint in the text of the DOI that the self-evident truths were built into the human person by God.
Nomarchy
QUOTE (Obama_Akhbar @ Jul 23 2008, 11:57 AM) *
Thank you. I have received a few "gems" in the last day or so.

American self-government with Sharia Law is an interesting topic to discuss.


Who is Obama Akhbar over?
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