Gee, Isreal has targeted the UN and civilians before?



Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it's errors.

Big mistake by Israel.



When will they learn?

Yeah, that was it....

That's the least of it.

What happens when EVERY country fires a rocket into America buntzy??

Still feel sorry for them?

Israel and the US and everybody else has killed plenty of civilians in their various wars... Nothing of note about that. UN observers deserve no special treatment...


I'm waiting...not holding my breath though.

Won't likely be in your lifetime. So why care?

Right?

Ditto.

Why don't you get back to me when that happens....

U.S. Envoy Bolton: Israel Must Consider Hizbullah 'Barbarian'

Arutz Sheva (Israel), by Staff

6:11:43 PM

John Bolton, American Ambassador to the United Nations, said outside the Security Council meeting Sunday night that Hizbullah immorally uses civilians as shields but that Israel is forced to take into "this barbaric practice" while exercising its right to self-defense. He spoke as most of the Council's leaders denounced Israel for the bombing of the Lebanese village of Kana and demanded an immediate cease fire.

Spot, my view of this mess is that Israel is engaging in collective punishment. I come to that conclusion because, given Israel's reputation for sound intelligence and good strategy, they MUST have known that this type of campaign was unlikely to significantly degrade Hezbollah's capabilities. Given Israel's own statements that Hezbollah hides its weapons and missiles in "schools, mosques, apartment buildings, hospitals", they also must have realized in advance that an air campaign would produce a high number of 'civilian' casualties.

Moreover, they must have known that using this tactic would increase support for Hezbollah, generally inflame anti-Israel sentiment throughout the ME (not to mention, anti-US sentiment), and that the end result would be MORE, not fewer, terrorists and terrorist attacks against Israel.

That's why this is so baffling. There is no benefit to Israel from this, and much harm to its short and long term security.



Yes, they were still alive as of Friday, at least.



Earth to Lambkins: Yes, it's a perfect technique, because when you shoot both the 9-year-old and the terrorist, the terrorist wins.

Rocco described the means by which this "perfect" technique can be countered, but you just want blood and guts from 15,000 feet instead. (Actually, you personally appear to prefer blood and guts right up close, where you can bathe your elbows in it and bit off a chunk of raw Muslim liver.)



Yes, they do. So why do you keep falling for it and giving them what they want--world opinion on their side? Why do you defend giving the response they hoped for?

Is it just cause you can't think of anything else, or just a general preference for bloodshed over thought?



I've about had it with Israel. It seems like since 1967 they do everything they can, like this stunt, to make their situation ever more precarious. I'm about at the point of declaring "they made their bed, let them lie in it".



No, it's morons like you who keep bombing the targets and giving the terrorists lots of PR and a whole new batch of recruits.

You must be one of the ones who answered my little poll with "Yes, it's wise to use techniques that create more terrorists". Care to explain what's wise about it?

Firing rockets is like drinking a spitoon. Once you start, it's real hard to stop.



Hezbolla, supported by Syria and Iran, liberated Lebanon from whom?



He's under the sole surviving son rule since his bro got killed at age 18 in his first military action.



It must be really sad and lonely for you, being the only intelligent and sane person on this board.



If they're a viable political party and humanitarian group, I don't really see why they need a militia capable of attacking neighboring countries.

Do the Israelis know who you are?
Perhaps you can allow them a bit of negotiating room before you resign them to their fate....

Waiting six year don't seem all that premature. Why didn't your heroes pay attention to the UN resolutions. Had they done that, there would be no conflict.

LMAO..... About. She says.
Well you just let us know when you drop the "about". It should be a real significant deviation.

I'm pretty sure you "had it" a long time ago, and hence I don't believe anything you say is other than a recipe for disaster as far as Israel is concerned. What's more the Muslims had that attitude from the start, and the bed they have planned is six feet under.

So what's the point in appeasing people who want to kill you and trying to befriend people who have already "had it" with you?

But Israel will halt attacks, try to appease people like you, Hezbollah will rearm, and in a couple days we'll be back at the same point we are now.

Only could see the feet in that pic -but looked male.

Given some basic level of respect for human dignity, good to see no more.

The apologists are willing to accept anything. Nothing horrendus would deter the apologists.

Israel has carte blanc w/their apologists crew.

Really looks like a fake leg...probably a prosthesis advertisement gone awry.

I'm confused. The Israel apologists, or the Hezbollah apologists?

Those who are unwilling to stop the massacres now. Should have been yesterday.

Whichever side.

The innocent need a break to get out. To be helped out.

Leaflets are cheap cover for invasion. Cheap out if folks can't get out.

~






Keen point.

Go fark yourself you pompous biotch.

who was it that said bombs unite the population?

Olmert: Netanyahu is Israel's best spokesman
By GIL HOFFMAN


Prime Minister Ehud Olmert briefed opposition leader Binyamin Netanyahu on recent developments in the operations in Lebanon in an 80-minute meeting at the prime minister's official residence in Jerusalem on Friday.

A spokesman for Netanyahu said that no political matters were discussed at the meeting but that Olmert thanked Netanyahu for his recent appearances defending Israel on American and European television networks. He said Olmert told Netanyahu that he was Israel's "best spokesman in the foreign press" - a compliment that could potentially cause a dispute between Olmert and his vice premier, Shimon Peres.

Netanyahu condemned a Foreign Ministry official who told Reuters that Israel would not demand the immediate disarming of Hizbullah as part of a deal to end the fighting in Lebanon. He said that Israel must complete the operations by disarming Hizbullah and removing the security threat to northern Israel.

The opposition leader said he would continue to support the government in all matters pertaining to the operations in Lebanon. Polls published over the weekend in the Hebrew press found that public support for the operations in the North has not fallen despite the recent increase in casualties.

A Dahaf Institute poll published in Friday's Yediot Aharonot newspaper found that a whopping 92 percent of Jewish Israelis believe that Israel's operations in Lebanon are justified. The number fell to 82% when Israeli Arabs were added to the totals.

Asked whether the IDF should attack Hizbullah more forcefully, 82% of Jewish Israelis said yes and just 15% said no. With Israeli Arabs included, the numbers were 71% and 26%. Olmert's approval rating among Jewish Israelis is 82% and Defense Minister Amir Peretz's is 71%.

A Teleseker poll published in Ma'ariv on Thursday found that 95% of Israelis believe that Israel is correct in its operations, but there was a 4% increase in respondents who said that Israel should seek a cease-fire and pursue negotiations on a prisoner exchange.

I answered Yes. And disregarded the second half of the statement posed as a question.

Now then.

I'm ABOUT ready to ignore the rest of your dribble.

I didn't answer FJ's 3 part poll at all, because it was nonsensical in 2 of the parts and one could not register an answer without answering all 3. So take your farking poll and stick it up your ass, FJ.

You control the questions, you control the answers. In multiple choice you control both. Still, it's a handy feature.

Crawl back under your NRA supported rock, Many.

A handy feature when properly used. Not handy the way FJ used it. And also not so brilliant that FJ assumes that I even answered it, let alone how I might have answered it. I repeat, she can just go fark herself and her condescending ways.

I've about had it with Israel. It seems like since 1967 they do everything they can, like this stunt, to make their situation ever more precarious. I'm about at the point of declaring "they made their bed, let them lie in it". -FJ

Please pass the gravy so I can choke down this liver.

I've been seeing pics of 'demonstrators' wrecking and looting UN facilities in both Lebanon and Gaza today. Video of Gaza site shows quite a crowd (all male and most over 12 years of age I'm guessing, of course) It occurs to me, at this stage of the 'game' why is it Israel refrained from lobbing a serious bomb right into the center of that mass gathering of frenzied mobsters? World opinion or fear of further damaging UN assets on the ground? I dunno. I am just growing more and more callous as I observe these absurdities.

It's a solid foundation, unlike the slime that you built yours on, sissy boy.

I was pissed that the reporters didn't call them a mob.

Bee, heres another democrat supporting killing babies in lebanon..................

Israel Shows How to Stand Up to Terrorism
Edward I. Koch
Saturday, July 29, 2006


Israel's response to Hezbollah has demonstrated to the enemies of the Jewish state that Israel will stand up and fight. This is in marked contrast to Spain, France and Germany under Schroeder, which have blinked and withdrawn responding to Islamic terror or threatened terror. Thankfully, our country's leaders appreciate that we are at war with international terrorism. The West confronts a war of civilizations that is not for the fainthearted.

There are those who believe that negotiations without the will to engage in military action will suffice. They are wrong. For 58 years, Israel has tried both negotiations and self-defense by its armed forces. The work of its armed forces has given it considerable security vis-à-vis those states and terrorists who seek to destroy it. Negotiations alone never brought peace.

Negotiating after defending oneself – as Israel did with Egypt and Jordan, with which it now has peace treaties – is far more successful and preferable to blinking, hesitation and faintheartedness.

Israel has been compelled to engage in five previous wars in which Arab nations have sought to destroy the Jewish state. Israel prevailed in those wars.

It has been involved in two wars against terrorists in Lebanon, one in 1982 and the other which is now under way. It won the 1982 war against the Palestinians led by Yasser Arafat, forcing the PLO to flee Lebanon by ship to find sanctuary in Tunisia. Israel held a buffer zone in southern Lebanon for 18 years. Israel left Lebanon in 2000. Hezbollah falsely proclaimed it was the victor responsible for Israel's decision to leave Lebanon. This is as ludicrous as Hamas claiming it drove Israel out of Gaza.

The United Nations Security Council certified that Israel had vacated all of Lebanon and in 2004 adopted Resolution 1559, which called for the demilitarization of Hezbollah, now represented in both the Lebanese Parliament and the president's Cabinet. U.N. Resolution 1559 called for the Lebanese army to take over control of the Lebanese territory and its southern border with Israel.

Hezbollah, with the financial and material assistance of both Syria and Iran, rebuilt southern Lebanon into a Hezbollah redoubt with an arsenal of an estimated 13,000 rockets with the ability to reach Israeli cities like Haifa. On July 12, the day after the G-8 nations demanded that Iran stop enriching uranium, Hezbollah invaded Israel, killing eight Israeli soldiers and kidnapping two soldiers from Israeli territory. Since then, Israel has inflicted ten times the casualties it has suffered. Hezbollah continues to fire missiles into northern Israel, including into Haifa, forcing a million Israelis into underground bunkers.


Israel's critics characterize its response as disproportionate. Hezbollah's continuing its missile barrage on Israel convinces me that Israel's response should be even tougher, and should end only when Hezbollah returns the two kidnapped Israeli soldiers, ends its missile bombardment, and yields to the Lebanese army, which by right should patrol southern Lebanon and its border with Israel.

According to The New York Times on July 25, 2006, "Jon Egeland, who is in charge of humanitarian affairs for the United Nations ... accused Hezbollah of ‘cowardly blending' among women and children. ... ‘I heard they were proud because they lost very few fighters and that it was the civilians bearing the brunt of this. ... I don't think anyone should be proud of having many more children and women dead than armed men.'"

The New York Times recently quoted Israeli leaders, some anonymously and others by name, on why those leaders have concluded that their Arab neighbors – terrorists and governments – can no longer be allowed to believe that Israel will sit back in the face of mounting terrorist acts perpetrated against it and rely on the logic of negotiations, which include the "road map" and declining to respond to suicide bombers sent into Israel and missiles hurled at its cities.

On July 23, The Times reported:

"Israel wants ‘to change the calculus for any future kidnapper,' showing that it will respond in force and that the Israeli population is willing to suffer pain and casualties, undermining the theory of Hezbollah's leader, Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, that Israeli society is ‘like a spider's web,' soft and easily broken. Hezbollah will not surrender, the officer said. ‘They won't come out with a white flag. But at the end they should be beaten and be seen to be beaten. It won't be a knockout, but what matters is how big the decision is on points.' Israel needs to ‘restore our military deterrence against terror organizations, whether Hamas or Hezbollah,' the officer added, ‘and this goal is already achieved.' Israel must show again that ‘Israeli soldiers on the ground can defeat any enemy,' the officer said, pointing to Gaza, where Israel has killed about 100 Palestinian fighters since June 25 and lost only one soldier, who was killed by another Israeli by error.' General Halutz, the chief of staff, put it this way: ‘The restraint which we showed over the course of years is interpreted by those among the terrorists as weakness.'"


There are those who wishfully conclude that if Israel turns the other cheek and does not respond with armed force to attacks upon it, that such restraint will pay off with an ultimate peace treaty with its neighbors. That is ridiculous. I agree with those who believe that standing up to terrorism and never blinking is the only way to win that war. Remember that it is a war against Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and all Western civilization. It is a war being waged against Europe, Russia, India, Iraq, the U.S. and elsewhere. It is a war we must win.

Edward I. Koch, author, lawyer and talk radio host, was a member of the U.S. Congress and, for 12 years, the 105th mayor of New York City.

Does anyone know how many missiles, roughly, Hezbollah has fired into Israel SINCE the Syrians withdrew? Is it more or fewer than the previous 5 years?

No, I don't. I've wondered about that too.

140 rockets hammer North on Sunday
By JPOST.COM STAFF AND YAAKOV KATZ


Since early morning Sunday, a total of 140 rockets have rained down on northern cities, including Nahariya, Kiryat Shmona, and Acre. Eight people were wounded over the course of the morning, one moderately and seven lightly. Some 29 people suffered from shock.

Its a good thing none of these were aimed at children.....

Fortunately its a proportionate response to Israeli aggression.

Well, there is that. (to steal one from Space)




Are we comparing per amount of time, or overall?

Does it really matter? If Israel appeases, puts off the day of reckoning, and Iran only fires three missiles, and they're nuclear, will that be an improvement?

Just wondered whether getting Syria out of Lebanon increased or decreased the rocket fire.

Getting the Hezbo's out would have made a really significant change.

Yup. Like when the Pals were run out and sent to Tunisia.

And I'm wondering whether some short term missile count really makes much of a difference when the openly acknowledged plans of Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah are the destruction of Israel.

They're doing the best they can given the limitations.

And damned good job they're doing of it, too. Why auntie Bee almost had me crying for the missing daddies of the killed babies killed by the baby killing ISrEALis earlier today. Made me feel damned near blood thirsty. But maybe that's just Bee.

They just have to run the stall until Iran either makes a nuke or buys one from NK.

You are scared of your own shadow sissy boy. Oh mama, help me! the trrrrts are coming!!!

I've never seen such a lying coward.

I bet you've been a farking sissy your whole damn life. That's why you pick on women like friend judy (with cancer) and me.

You are scum.

You really need to crawl back under your coward's rock, girly-man. You stink up this board with your nonsense.

When is the last time you posted original thought? 1998?

Big mama gotta take care of poor wittle Bixie and now Hunie too? Ain't that a shame.

You're liberated, you're tough, you're in our face. Are you telling me you can't handle it? What a farking wimp you are.

No.

I'm pointing out that YOU can't.

It makes me laugh.

Take car of your little lefty pansies the best you can, terrorist lover.

Who's car?

You are the terrorist lover, the policies you support merely create more of them.

Now I would think you were intelligent enought to figure that out, but perhaps your sexual frustrations get in the way of logic.

That would explain quite a bit.

Cars is what Isrelis drive, you stupid idiot.

Psst. You missed a spot there on your chin.

What's an Isrelis?

You type like poopy when you get emotional.

That's how you spelled it multiple times here, the reason I put in italics. It's a quote from you, don't you know?

Oh really. Great excuse, sissy-boy.

(what a dork, miskeying is all mama's boy can come up with

How about you actually tackle why you backed the slaughter of children?

No? Didn';t think so.

Didn't you insist no fathers were caught in that building? Still claiming that?

Just say:

""You were right Bee, and I was wrong" and maybe I'll let you alone.

Look it up. See what I said. Enlighten your clouded little mind.