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Glad to see it finally happen. Kinda silly on all sides.
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jun 24 2006, 08:35 PM) [snapback]215552[/snapback]
Just call it the Red Plus and be done with it.
That's a great idea.
It really is a PLUS!
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That's a great idea.
It really is a PLUS! Loved the first image. Lose the second. Can't add much to that.
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Loved the first image. Lose the second. Can't add much to that.
Well, I'm not all that impressed with the International Red Cross (Crescent or PLUS)
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I feel the same way. The argument I most abhor is that the Iraq war was launched fror politcal purposes. What a load of BS.
Ok. It was launched for what? To purtect us frum the trrristststst?
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Ok. It was launched for what? To purtect us frum the trrristststst?
You need to catch up!
take your pick. repuslickan politics or repuslickan pocketbooks. Had noithing to do with America.
QUOTE(Mizilus @ Jun 25 2006, 11:36 PM) [snapback]215885[/snapback]
Ok. It was launched for what? To purtect us frum the trrristststst?
OK Miz; that's as far as we go. Yes. And as for your broken language, are you, or is your moniker related to that old king who married his sister?
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OK Miz; that's as far as we go. Yes. And as for your broken language, are you, or is your moniker related to that old king who married his sister?
(bzzzzzzztt)
Sorry but thats wrong.
I am not, nor have never been, to/from the south.
Israeli Massing Troops,
Threatens War over Kidnapped Soldier
By James Joyner
Israeli forces are massing on the Gaza border in preparation for war over a soldier kidnapped by Palestinian terrorists.
Israel massed troops Monday along the Gaza Strip border in preparation for what Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said would be a “broad and ongoing” operation against Palestinian militants following the abduction of an Israeli soldier.
Olmert issued the threat as Israeli and Palestinian officials furiously worked diplomatic channels to gain the release of Cpl. Gilad Shalit, a dual French-Israeli citizen who was seized in a cross-border raid on Sunday.
Speaking to a tourism conference in Jerusalem, Olmert said Israel’s patience was wearing thin and that he held the entire Palestinian leadership responsible for Shalit’s safety. “I gave the orders to our military commanders to prepare the army for a broad and ongoing military operation to strike the terrorist leaders and all those involved,” he said. “It should be clear. There will be immunity for no one.”
The irony, of course, is that this is precisely what the terrorists want: To disrupt any diplomatic efforts between Palestinian and Israeli authorities and to reignite a state of war. Given the fact that the Palestinians have elected a terrorist group to govern them and have shown little desire or capacity to stop terrorist incursions into Israel, however, it’s not clear that Olmert has other viable options.
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Threatens War over Kidnapped Soldier
By James Joyner
Israeli forces are massing on the Gaza border in preparation for war over a soldier kidnapped by Palestinian terrorists.
Israel massed troops Monday along the Gaza Strip border in preparation for what Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said would be a “broad and ongoing” operation against Palestinian militants following the abduction of an Israeli soldier.
Olmert issued the threat as Israeli and Palestinian officials furiously worked diplomatic channels to gain the release of Cpl. Gilad Shalit, a dual French-Israeli citizen who was seized in a cross-border raid on Sunday.
Speaking to a tourism conference in Jerusalem, Olmert said Israel’s patience was wearing thin and that he held the entire Palestinian leadership responsible for Shalit’s safety. “I gave the orders to our military commanders to prepare the army for a broad and ongoing military operation to strike the terrorist leaders and all those involved,” he said. “It should be clear. There will be immunity for no one.”
The irony, of course, is that this is precisely what the terrorists want: To disrupt any diplomatic efforts between Palestinian and Israeli authorities and to reignite a state of war. Given the fact that the Palestinians have elected a terrorist group to govern them and have shown little desire or capacity to stop terrorist incursions into Israel, however, it’s not clear that Olmert has other viable options.
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Might as well get it over with. Why wait for Iran to go nuclear and Iraq to rearm?
Palestinian youths, who speak openly of their hatred for Israel, willingly putting themselves into Israeli custody because life in jail is seen as being better than life at home.
NABLUS, WEST BANK — Mohammed Kharaz wanted to get away. He longed to escape the stretches of boredom broken by intense eruptions of violence that are a teenager’s life in this strife-ridden city. So, for a break, he got himself thrown into an Israeli jail.
The idea wasn’t even his, the 17-year-old confesses. He first heard it from a kid who sat beside him in class: If you get yourself arrested by the Israeli army, they send you to a prison with digital television, interesting books and even a decent soccer pitch. In short, everything you don’t find in Nablus, a city cut off from the rest of the West Bank by a series of Israeli military checkpoints.
To Mohammed, it sounded like a dream vacation. So on Feb. 25, he tucked a kitchen knife under his shirt and headed toward the concrete barriers and metal turnstiles that block the road south to Ramallah.
It played out just as his friend described. When he got to the front of the long, slow-moving line of Palestinians seeking to leave Nablus, an Israeli soldier told him to lift up his shirt. With a sniper’s rifle pointed at his chest, Mohammed pulled out the knife.
“Two soldiers jumped on top of me and started beating me up, but I didn’t care,” Mohammed recalled. “Getting arrested was like a fashion trend. It was the thing to do.”
It’s the latest peculiarity in a region already full of contradictions: Palestinian youths, who speak openly of their hatred for Israel, willingly putting themselves into Israeli custody because life in jail is seen as being better than life at home.
Likewise the 'detainees' at Gitmos. Life was never so good at home.
NABLUS, WEST BANK — Mohammed Kharaz wanted to get away. He longed to escape the stretches of boredom broken by intense eruptions of violence that are a teenager’s life in this strife-ridden city. So, for a break, he got himself thrown into an Israeli jail.
The idea wasn’t even his, the 17-year-old confesses. He first heard it from a kid who sat beside him in class: If you get yourself arrested by the Israeli army, they send you to a prison with digital television, interesting books and even a decent soccer pitch. In short, everything you don’t find in Nablus, a city cut off from the rest of the West Bank by a series of Israeli military checkpoints.
To Mohammed, it sounded like a dream vacation. So on Feb. 25, he tucked a kitchen knife under his shirt and headed toward the concrete barriers and metal turnstiles that block the road south to Ramallah.
It played out just as his friend described. When he got to the front of the long, slow-moving line of Palestinians seeking to leave Nablus, an Israeli soldier told him to lift up his shirt. With a sniper’s rifle pointed at his chest, Mohammed pulled out the knife.
“Two soldiers jumped on top of me and started beating me up, but I didn’t care,” Mohammed recalled. “Getting arrested was like a fashion trend. It was the thing to do.”
It’s the latest peculiarity in a region already full of contradictions: Palestinian youths, who speak openly of their hatred for Israel, willingly putting themselves into Israeli custody because life in jail is seen as being better than life at home.
Likewise the 'detainees' at Gitmos. Life was never so good at home.
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Hamas-Fatah to Implicitly Recognize Israel
By IBRAHIM BARZAK
The Associated Press
Tuesday, June 27, 2006; 10:56 AM
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip -- The rival Hamas and Fatah movements agreed on a plan implicitly recognizing Israel, a top Palestinian official said Tuesday after weeks of acrimonious negotiations aiming to lift crippling international aid sanctions.
Moderate President Mahmoud Abbas of Fatah has been trying to coax his Hamas rivals into endorsing the document, which calls for a Palestinian state alongside Israel, in effect recognizing the Jewish state. He has endorsed the plan as a way to end sanctions against the Hamas-led Palestinian government and pave the way to reopening peace talks with Israel.
"We have an agreement over the document," said Ibrahim Abu Najah, coordinator of the "national dialogue" over the proposal.
The plan also calls on militants to limit attacks to areas captured by Israel in the 1967 Mideast War and calls for formation of a coalition Palestinian government.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...6062700413.html
By IBRAHIM BARZAK
The Associated Press
Tuesday, June 27, 2006; 10:56 AM
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip -- The rival Hamas and Fatah movements agreed on a plan implicitly recognizing Israel, a top Palestinian official said Tuesday after weeks of acrimonious negotiations aiming to lift crippling international aid sanctions.
Moderate President Mahmoud Abbas of Fatah has been trying to coax his Hamas rivals into endorsing the document, which calls for a Palestinian state alongside Israel, in effect recognizing the Jewish state. He has endorsed the plan as a way to end sanctions against the Hamas-led Palestinian government and pave the way to reopening peace talks with Israel.
"We have an agreement over the document," said Ibrahim Abu Najah, coordinator of the "national dialogue" over the proposal.
The plan also calls on militants to limit attacks to areas captured by Israel in the 1967 Mideast War and calls for formation of a coalition Palestinian government.
(more)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...6062700413.html
Small movement, but it could become more significant.
'Time running out'
Mr Olmert has put the army on standby for an extensive military operation against Palestinian militants to free Cpl Shalit and Israeli tanks and armoured vehicles have been assembling on the Gaza border.
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"The question of freeing [Palestinian] prisoners is in no way on the Israeli government agenda,"
Mr Olmert said during a speech in Jerusalem. QUOTE
"There will be no negotiations, no bargaining, no agreements."
Mr Olmert said that Israel would not allow itself to become the victim of
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"Hamas-terrorist blackmail",
warning that "QUOTE
a large-scale military operation is approaching".
Cpl Shalit is believed to have been seized by militants who tunnelled out of Gaza to attack the army post at Kerem Shalom.
Two Israeli troops and two militants were killed during the raid.
Diplomatic efforts
The 19-year-old soldier was seized by militants on Sunday
Hamas political leaders have denied any knowledge of the tank gunner's whereabouts - but they have called for him to be well treated.
The faxed statement calling for the prisoners' release was signed by the Popular Resistance Committees umbrella group, Hamas's Izzedine al-Qassam Brigades, and the previously unknown Army of Islam.
It said: "The Occupation [Israel] will not get any information about its missing soldier until it commits to the following:
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"First, the immediate release of all women in prison. Second, the immediate release of all children in prison younger than 18."
Israel is believed to have incarcerated about 100 women and 300 under-18s among the 9,000 Palestinian prisoners it is holding in its jails.
Israeli officials say they hold Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and Prime Minister Ismail Haniya, of Hamas, responsible for the 19-year-old Israeli's safety.
Correspondents say the crisis could spoil efforts to bind Hamas into a plan implicitly recognising Israel, and may expose divisions between hardline and more pragmatic Hamas elements.
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'Time running out'
Mr Olmert has put the army on standby for an extensive military operation against Palestinian militants to free Cpl Shalit and Israeli tanks and armoured vehicles have been assembling on the Gaza border.
Mr Olmert said during a speech in Jerusalem.
Mr Olmert said that Israel would not allow itself to become the victim of warning that "
Cpl Shalit is believed to have been seized by militants who tunnelled out of Gaza to attack the army post at Kerem Shalom.
What's the old saying? The Pals never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
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What's the old saying? The Pals never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
It just goes to show that they didn't need Arafat to mess up things.
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It just goes to show that they didn't need Arafat to mess up things.
Too may cooks stirring the pot. I had hoped the election of Hamas might help with that. There's always another faction to screw things up, it seems.
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Too may cooks stirring the pot. I had hoped the election of Hamas might help with that. There's always another faction to screw things up, it seems.
It's not about "land for peace" it never was. They already have in their possession the most valuable Jewish property, The Temple Mount! Their goal is to push Israel (The Jews) into the sea. That has not changed. The other Muslim countries are helping to finance that. Until they can settle that all important item, how can they have 'peace'?
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It's not about "land for peace" it never was. They already have in their possession the most valuable Jewish property, The Temple Mount! Their goal is to push Israel (The Jews) into the sea. That has not changed. The other Muslim countries are helping to finance that. Until they can settle that all important item, how can they have 'peace'?
I agree with your statement. However, I would point out that Israel has also sought the WB and Gaza, as part of their dream of Eratz Yisrael. I had always accepted the standard explanation that Israel was "forced" to occupy the WB and Gaza for defensive purposes, until I began to read the Israeli press on the net. Then it became very clear that the version sold here in the US was far short of their actual intentions.
As a result, I have felt somewhat betrayed as a long time supporter of Israel.
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I agree with your statement. However, I would point out that Israel has also sought the WB and Gaza, as part of their dream of Eratz Yisrael. I had always accepted the standard explanation that Israel was "forced" to occupy the WB and Gaza for defensive purposes, until I began to read the Israeli press on the net. Then it became very clear that the version sold here in the US was far short of their actual intentions.
As a result, I have felt somewhat betrayed as a long time supporter of Israel.
I don't feel betrayed. The WB and Gaza are needed for defensive purposes. There are plenty of recent reports of imports of military equipment coming into the Gaza strip (and it's not being delivered to the Jews) The WB barrier is providing protection by slowing and preventing attacks from the suicide bombers.
Why do you suppose that no other Muslim country will take in the Palestinians?
WHAT'S WITH THE BRITTS?
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Too may cooks stirring the pot. I had hoped the election of Hamas might help with that. There's always another faction to screw things up, it seems.
Monty Python Life Of Brian... Liberation Front or Front For Liberation...
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I don't feel betrayed. The WB and Gaza are needed for defensive purposes. There are plenty of recent reports of imports of military equipment coming into the Gaza strip (and it's not being delivered to the Jews) The WB barrier is providing protection by slowing and preventing attacks from the suicide bombers.
Why do you suppose that no other Muslim country will take in the Palestinians?
WHAT'S WITH THE BRITTS?
I'm in favor of the WB barrier and the disengagement plan. I think the plan is the best Israel can achieve and still remain a democracy.
2:00 AM in Gaza!
ISRAELI AIRSTRIKE TAKES OUT POWER IN GAZA STRIP!
ISRAELI TANKS & SOLDIERS MASSING NEAR GAZA!
ISRAELI AIRSTRIKE TAKES OUT POWER IN GAZA STRIP!
ISRAELI TANKS & SOLDIERS MASSING NEAR GAZA!
Fox reporting live that Israel has taken out Gaza's only power plant. "Limited operations" have begun, per Fox. Tanks seen to be moving on the live feed, but I doubt that Israel would allow coverage if it meant much.
Trap set, bait taken, now time to see what they caught.
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2:00 AM in Gaza!
ISRAELI AIRSTRIKE TAKES OUT POWER IN GAZA STRIP!
ISRAELI TANKS & SOLDIERS MASSING NEAR GAZA!
I see you watch Fox too.
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I see you watch Fox too.
FAIR AND BALANCED! I'm always watching hoping to see and hear Charles Krauthhammer.
The Hammer Falls In Gaza
Israel has begun its response to the Palestinian incursion from Gaza this weekend and the capture of an IDF soldier. Israeli tanks have attacked a bridge in central Gaza, and Palestinian security forces report that IDF tanks have begun to move towards the border:
Israeli planes attacked a bridge in central Gaza late Tuesday, Israel Radio reported, and Israeli tanks were said to be on the move, possibly signaling the start of a military operation.
Palestinian security forces said Israeli tanks were moving near the Israeli village of Nahal Oz, a main Israeli staging area just outside Gaza, but that they had not yet entered Gaza. (Now they have!)
In the Shajaiyeh neighborhood of Gaza City, not far from the border fence, armed militants took up positions across from the blaring headlights of Israeli vehicles, and Israeli attack helicopters hovered overhead. The militants told residents to leave the area.
Israeli military officials said a limited operation has been authorized for southern Gaza, aimed at "terrorist infrastructure." The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to reporters.
If any Palestinians have thoughts of fleeing into the Sinai, the Egyptian government has a response ready. After Hamas ignored their entreaties to release the wounded IDF soldier, they sent 2500 troops to the Gaza border. The Egyptians have no desire to get drawn into the conflict, but neither do they want a flood of Gaza refugees fleeing into Egypt to cause even more trouble than the Palestinian terrorists have already created.
The Israelis will not bargain with Hamas and the Palestinian Authority. They committed an act of war, and the Israelis will answer back in the same fashion. The only question will be how far they will go into Gaza and for how long.Source
Israel has begun its response to the Palestinian incursion from Gaza this weekend and the capture of an IDF soldier. Israeli tanks have attacked a bridge in central Gaza, and Palestinian security forces report that IDF tanks have begun to move towards the border:
Israeli planes attacked a bridge in central Gaza late Tuesday, Israel Radio reported, and Israeli tanks were said to be on the move, possibly signaling the start of a military operation.
Palestinian security forces said Israeli tanks were moving near the Israeli village of Nahal Oz, a main Israeli staging area just outside Gaza, but that they had not yet entered Gaza. (Now they have!)
In the Shajaiyeh neighborhood of Gaza City, not far from the border fence, armed militants took up positions across from the blaring headlights of Israeli vehicles, and Israeli attack helicopters hovered overhead. The militants told residents to leave the area.
Israeli military officials said a limited operation has been authorized for southern Gaza, aimed at "terrorist infrastructure." The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to reporters.
If any Palestinians have thoughts of fleeing into the Sinai, the Egyptian government has a response ready. After Hamas ignored their entreaties to release the wounded IDF soldier, they sent 2500 troops to the Gaza border. The Egyptians have no desire to get drawn into the conflict, but neither do they want a flood of Gaza refugees fleeing into Egypt to cause even more trouble than the Palestinian terrorists have already created.
The Israelis will not bargain with Hamas and the Palestinian Authority. They committed an act of war, and the Israelis will answer back in the same fashion. The only question will be how far they will go into Gaza and for how long.Source
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=J...icle%2FShowFull
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid...icle%2FShowFull
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Jun. 27, 2006 18:23 | Updated Jun. 27, 2006 20:48
Hamas operative killed in Gaza blast
By YOAV APPEL AND AP
A Hamas operative was killed when his car exploded Tuesday evening in northern Gaza, and at least two passersby wounded, officials said.
The blast scattered debris and body parts up to 200 meters. Security officials identified the dead man as Hamza Muhrab, a 21-year-old member of Hamas' military wing.
IDF officials denied any involvement in the blast, raising the suspicion that the explosion may have been caused by a bomb detonating prematurely, or the result of rivalry between Hamas and Fatah.
The car was traveling on a road between Abbas' residence and the offices of Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh.
Hamas operative killed in Gaza blast
By YOAV APPEL AND AP
A Hamas operative was killed when his car exploded Tuesday evening in northern Gaza, and at least two passersby wounded, officials said.
The blast scattered debris and body parts up to 200 meters. Security officials identified the dead man as Hamza Muhrab, a 21-year-old member of Hamas' military wing.
IDF officials denied any involvement in the blast, raising the suspicion that the explosion may have been caused by a bomb detonating prematurely, or the result of rivalry between Hamas and Fatah.
The car was traveling on a road between Abbas' residence and the offices of Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid...icle%2FShowFull
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Jun. 27, 2006 20:25
Egypt deploys 2,500 extra troops on Gaza border
By ASSOCIATED PRESS
Egypt has asked Hamas to release kidnapped IDF Cpl. Gilad Shalit and has deployed 2,500 extra troops along its border with Gaza, officials said Tuesday - in a sign of how worried Arab countries have become about possible fallout from the latest Israel-Palestinian crisis.
Egypt's chief of intelligence, Omar Suleiman, urged Hamas leader-in-exile Khaled Mashaal to push for the release of Shalit,Egyptian officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the issue involves sensitive security matters.
Egypt deploys 2,500 extra troops on Gaza border
By ASSOCIATED PRESS
Egypt has asked Hamas to release kidnapped IDF Cpl. Gilad Shalit and has deployed 2,500 extra troops along its border with Gaza, officials said Tuesday - in a sign of how worried Arab countries have become about possible fallout from the latest Israel-Palestinian crisis.
Egypt's chief of intelligence, Omar Suleiman, urged Hamas leader-in-exile Khaled Mashaal to push for the release of Shalit,Egyptian officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the issue involves sensitive security matters.
My word, judy, you sound nearly orgasmic at the blood and death about to ensue.
If you'd lived in Rome, you'd probably have adored watching the Christians being slaughtered in the colosium and sending perfumed hankies to the gladiators. All, of course, in the cause of demonstrating civic solidarity and enforcing the proper social order, stamping out those weak namby-pamby pacifists who don't understand the importance of conformity to the time-honored values of conquest and slavery.
If you'd lived in Rome, you'd probably have adored watching the Christians being slaughtered in the colosium and sending perfumed hankies to the gladiators. All, of course, in the cause of demonstrating civic solidarity and enforcing the proper social order, stamping out those weak namby-pamby pacifists who don't understand the importance of conformity to the time-honored values of conquest and slavery.
Fox now confirms with Israeli officials that troops have pushed off. Fax has now lost its live feed, which makes sense.
Evidently, Geraldo is not there yet.
Evidently, Geraldo is not there yet.
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Fox now confirms with Israeli officials that troops have pushed off. Fax has now lost its live feed, which makes sense.
Evidently, Geraldo is not there yet.
They have their team there... I don't know about Geraldo, but the power outage is no doubt a factor?
The power is out because they bombed Gaza's electrical generating plant. Looks to be another collective punishment endeavor; another war crime.
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The power is out because they bombed Gaza's electrical generating plant. Looks to be another collective punishment endeavor; another war crime.
The Palestinian attacks on Israel are crimes, and their preferred method of attack. There aren't many rules in that conflict, but Israel generally does a better job of observing international norms.
From CNN:
Got what you wanted, hey, judy? Another intifada, another decade of tit-for-tat terrorism, Hamas' recognition of Isreal's right to exist, all down the tubes.
Must've been a perfect day for you. Started out with that thrilling orgy of outrage at the times, roars for treason (you didn't mention the executions for it, but since that's the penalty for treason in war time, we presume that's what you wanted). Then on to cruel tasteless jokes, and finally, the chance to cream in your panties as the tanks roll and the bombs go off.
If things keep going so well, maybe you'll get your pillar of fire over Jerusalem, a Rapture that leaves you behind, where you and the angels and the armies of the lord get to slaughter with your own hands, red to the elbows with blood.
Yep, you're a real "love the smell of napalm in the morning" type of girl.
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JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Israeli troops crossed the border into southern Gaza early Wednesday in a campaign meant to secure the return of a soldier kidnapped by Palestinian militants over the weekend, the Israeli military said.
Jets hit a power plant in Gaza City and knocked out a bridge connecting the northern and southern parts of town in predawn airstrikes, witnesses said.
Video from the Palestinian Ramattan news agency showed fires burning at the site of the power station.
Israeli troops and tanks had gathered along the Gaza border as tensions mounted over the abduction of 19-year-old Cpl. Gilad Shalit.
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert on Tuesday threatened an "extended campaign" against Palestinian leaders unless the soldier was released.
Well, if he was alive this morning, he's dead now, and they'll no doubt find his mutilated body shortly.
"All targets" would be considered for possible action, Olmert told Israel's parliament, the day after ruling out any deals with militants for Shalit's release.
"We would not make compromises with terror. We would not hold negotiation with [terror]," Olmert told the Knesset amid the escalating crisis.
"No terrorist would be immune."
In the first round of strikes soon after midnight, Israeli aircraft hit two bridges in central Gaza to limit the ability of Shalit's captors to move him, said Capt. Jacob Dallal, a spokesman for the Israel Defense Forces.
Dallal said Israel will go to "whatever lengths necessary" to bring Shalit back.
"We are trying to make it clear to the Palestinian Authority and to the terror organizations that we will take the necessary steps to secure his safe return," he said.
Too late, idiot. You already got him killed.
Israel has slapped a land and sea blockade on Gaza, cutting off people's movements and shipments of fuel and food, nine months after returning control of the territory to the Palestinians. (Watch tanks mass as tensions run high -- 2:27)
Inside Gaza, Palestinians have dumped piles of sand on major roads, intended to slow any advance of Israeli tanks and armor and provide cover for gunmen.
Israel says it is holding the Palestinian Authority responsible for the safety of Shalit, who was captured Sunday by Palestinian militants at a guard post inside Israel.
Olmert said he did not want to hurt innocents, but the Israeli defense minister said the potential offensive would be deadly.
"There is no doubt we will have to carry out an operation which could cost many lives, but the Palestinian groups have to understand there is a price to pay for any attacks against Israel," said Defense Minister Amir Peretz.
Israeli leaders said Hamas officials, including political leader Khaled Meshaal, who is in exile in Syria, could be targets of Israeli military action.
Aides said Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniya were directly involved in negotiations to free Shalit.
The Palestinian factions Fatah, headed by Abbas, and Haniya's Hamas, have pleaded with Israel to hold off on military action, saying an offensive would only complicate efforts to end the crisis.
Palestinian leaders have also said they fear Israel will not stop at freeing Shalit but will also go after Palestinian militants who have fired hundreds of crude Qassam rockets into Israel in recent months.
Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Shimon Peres recognized a split between the politicians and the militants, saying Meshaal was behind the kidnapping and "wants to destroy any chance for peace." (Watch Peres' take on the escalating border tensions -- 6:27)
"All this was done against, maybe, the better judgment of the Palestinian leaders on the ground. The orders came from Syria. They came from a gentleman who wants to destroy any chance for peace," Peres said.
Thank you, peace might have been salvageable, but you gave the terrorists what they wanted, and once again destroyed any chance.
Meshaal, the head of the Hamas political office, lives in exile in Damascus.
"A small group of terrible people sitting in Damascus," Peres said, was mobilizing "the whole world against the Palestinians," who he said were the real victims of the kidnapping.
Peres said Israel believes that Shalit, who holds dual Israeli-French citizenship, is "alive and healthy."
Another teenager reported missing
In another development, the Popular Resistance Committees, one of the Palestinian militant groups that says it is holding Shalit, said it also was holding an Israeli settler in the West Bank.
Israeli police said a family in the settlement of Itamar near Nablus had filed a missing persons report. The missing settler was identified as Eliyahu Asheri, 18.
He was last seen Sunday night at the French Hill hitchhiking post in Jerusalem, on the road leading north to the West Bank. His parents reported him missing at noon Monday.
Jets hit a power plant in Gaza City and knocked out a bridge connecting the northern and southern parts of town in predawn airstrikes, witnesses said.
Video from the Palestinian Ramattan news agency showed fires burning at the site of the power station.
Israeli troops and tanks had gathered along the Gaza border as tensions mounted over the abduction of 19-year-old Cpl. Gilad Shalit.
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert on Tuesday threatened an "extended campaign" against Palestinian leaders unless the soldier was released.
Well, if he was alive this morning, he's dead now, and they'll no doubt find his mutilated body shortly.
"All targets" would be considered for possible action, Olmert told Israel's parliament, the day after ruling out any deals with militants for Shalit's release.
"We would not make compromises with terror. We would not hold negotiation with [terror]," Olmert told the Knesset amid the escalating crisis.
"No terrorist would be immune."
In the first round of strikes soon after midnight, Israeli aircraft hit two bridges in central Gaza to limit the ability of Shalit's captors to move him, said Capt. Jacob Dallal, a spokesman for the Israel Defense Forces.
Dallal said Israel will go to "whatever lengths necessary" to bring Shalit back.
"We are trying to make it clear to the Palestinian Authority and to the terror organizations that we will take the necessary steps to secure his safe return," he said.
Too late, idiot. You already got him killed.
Israel has slapped a land and sea blockade on Gaza, cutting off people's movements and shipments of fuel and food, nine months after returning control of the territory to the Palestinians. (Watch tanks mass as tensions run high -- 2:27)
Inside Gaza, Palestinians have dumped piles of sand on major roads, intended to slow any advance of Israeli tanks and armor and provide cover for gunmen.
Israel says it is holding the Palestinian Authority responsible for the safety of Shalit, who was captured Sunday by Palestinian militants at a guard post inside Israel.
Olmert said he did not want to hurt innocents, but the Israeli defense minister said the potential offensive would be deadly.
"There is no doubt we will have to carry out an operation which could cost many lives, but the Palestinian groups have to understand there is a price to pay for any attacks against Israel," said Defense Minister Amir Peretz.
Israeli leaders said Hamas officials, including political leader Khaled Meshaal, who is in exile in Syria, could be targets of Israeli military action.
Aides said Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniya were directly involved in negotiations to free Shalit.
The Palestinian factions Fatah, headed by Abbas, and Haniya's Hamas, have pleaded with Israel to hold off on military action, saying an offensive would only complicate efforts to end the crisis.
Palestinian leaders have also said they fear Israel will not stop at freeing Shalit but will also go after Palestinian militants who have fired hundreds of crude Qassam rockets into Israel in recent months.
Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Shimon Peres recognized a split between the politicians and the militants, saying Meshaal was behind the kidnapping and "wants to destroy any chance for peace." (Watch Peres' take on the escalating border tensions -- 6:27)
"All this was done against, maybe, the better judgment of the Palestinian leaders on the ground. The orders came from Syria. They came from a gentleman who wants to destroy any chance for peace," Peres said.
Thank you, peace might have been salvageable, but you gave the terrorists what they wanted, and once again destroyed any chance.
Meshaal, the head of the Hamas political office, lives in exile in Damascus.
"A small group of terrible people sitting in Damascus," Peres said, was mobilizing "the whole world against the Palestinians," who he said were the real victims of the kidnapping.
Peres said Israel believes that Shalit, who holds dual Israeli-French citizenship, is "alive and healthy."
Another teenager reported missing
In another development, the Popular Resistance Committees, one of the Palestinian militant groups that says it is holding Shalit, said it also was holding an Israeli settler in the West Bank.
Israeli police said a family in the settlement of Itamar near Nablus had filed a missing persons report. The missing settler was identified as Eliyahu Asheri, 18.
He was last seen Sunday night at the French Hill hitchhiking post in Jerusalem, on the road leading north to the West Bank. His parents reported him missing at noon Monday.
Got what you wanted, hey, judy? Another intifada, another decade of tit-for-tat terrorism, Hamas' recognition of Isreal's right to exist, all down the tubes.
Must've been a perfect day for you. Started out with that thrilling orgy of outrage at the times, roars for treason (you didn't mention the executions for it, but since that's the penalty for treason in war time, we presume that's what you wanted). Then on to cruel tasteless jokes, and finally, the chance to cream in your panties as the tanks roll and the bombs go off.
If things keep going so well, maybe you'll get your pillar of fire over Jerusalem, a Rapture that leaves you behind, where you and the angels and the armies of the lord get to slaughter with your own hands, red to the elbows with blood.
Yep, you're a real "love the smell of napalm in the morning" type of girl.
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Jun 27 2006, 07:42 PM) [snapback]216406[/snapback]
From CNN:
Got what you wanted, hey, judy? Another intifada, another decade of tit-for-tat terrorism, Hamas' recognition of Isreal's right to exist, all down the tubes.
Must've been a perfect day for you. Started out with that thrilling orgy of outrage at the times, roars for treason (you didn't mention the executions for it, but since that's the penalty for treason in war time, we presume that's what you wanted). Then on to cruel tasteless jokes, and finally, the chance to cream in your panties as the tanks roll and the bombs go off.
If things keep going so well, maybe you'll get your pillar of fire over Jerusalem, a Rapture that leaves you behind, where you and the angels and the armies of the lord get to slaughter with your own hands, red to the elbows with blood.
Yep, you're a real "love the smell of napalm in the morning" type of girl.
Israel, and Egypt had gone the diplomatic route first. Tough situation.
Judy doesn't seem to regard it as a tough situation. She seems positively joyous today, jumping from one war to another, gleeful that they've all going badly.
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Jun 27 2006, 05:42 PM) [snapback]216406[/snapback]
From CNN:
Got what you wanted, hey, judy? Another intifada, another decade of tit-for-tat terrorism, Hamas' recognition of Isreal's right to exist, all down the tubes.
Must've been a perfect day for you. Started out with that thrilling orgy of outrage at the times, roars for treason (you didn't mention the executions for it, but since that's the penalty for treason in war time, we presume that's what you wanted). Then on to cruel tasteless jokes, and finally, the chance to cream in your panties as the tanks roll and the bombs go off.
If things keep going so well, maybe you'll get your pillar of fire over Jerusalem, a Rapture that leaves you behind, where you and the angels and the armies of the lord get to slaughter with your own hands, red to the elbows with blood.
Yep, you're a real "love the smell of napalm in the morning" type of girl.
I think the davis slot is open...you interested?
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Jun 28 2006, 12:19 AM) [snapback]216391[/snapback]
The power is out because they bombed Gaza's electrical generating plant. Looks to be another collective punishment endeavor; another war crime.
Maybe with the demise of Milosevic there is prison room for some Israelis. The Israelis have been punishing the Palestinians collectively since the British stopped. Who will be their next punisher? The US?
QUOTE(Pravda @ Jun 27 2006, 06:01 PM) [snapback]216424[/snapback]
Maybe with the demise of Milosevic there is prison room for some Israelis. The Israelis have been punishing the Palestinians collectively since the British stopped. Who will be their next punisher? The US?
They do pretty good on their own...ever seen'em dance?
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Jun 27 2006, 07:19 PM) [snapback]216391[/snapback]
The power is out because they bombed Gaza's electrical generating plant. Looks to be another collective punishment endeavor; another war crime.
Also, the Israelis rely on night vision devices, which are scarce among the Palestinians. So I don't necessarily see it as collective punishment. More likely a military tactic, that we, the US would use.
QUOTE(Pravda @ Jun 27 2006, 09:01 PM) [snapback]216424[/snapback]
Maybe with the demise of Milosevic there is prison room for some Israelis. The Israelis have been punishing the Palestinians collectively since the British stopped. Who will be their next punisher? The US?
Maybe Jordan will have another crack at them.
QUOTE(judy @ Jun 28 2006, 01:11 AM) [snapback]216435[/snapback]
Maybe Jordan will have another crack at them.
I wouldn't be surprised. People without a homeland are an easy target.
QUOTE(Pravda @ Jun 27 2006, 06:15 PM) [snapback]216438[/snapback]
I wouldn't be surprised. People without a homeland are an easy target.
Mebbe Israel should deny their right to exist.
QUOTE(Repub_Bub @ Jun 27 2006, 08:17 PM) [snapback]216442[/snapback]
Mebbe Israel should deny their right to exist.
If you haven't heard the "There's no such thing as a Palestinian" argument, you haven't been listening to Israel's supporters.
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Jun 27 2006, 06:19 PM) [snapback]216444[/snapback]
If you haven't heard the "There's no such thing as a Palestinian" argument, you haven't been listening to Israel's supporters.
I was thinking more of an official position.
QUOTE(Repub_Bub @ Jun 27 2006, 09:17 PM) [snapback]216442[/snapback]
Mebbe Israel should deny their right to exist.
Or push them into the sea.... but that wouldn't be an original wish, would it?
From the Jerusalem Post June 25 2006 -
Al-Aksa claims chemical capabilities,
Excerpt:
The Aksa Martyrs Brigades announced on Sunday that its members have succeeded in manufacturing chemical and biological weapons.
In a leaflet distributed in the Gaza Strip, the group, which belongs to Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah Party, said the weapons were the result of a three-year effort.
According to the statement, the first of its kind, the group has managed to manufacture and develop at least 20 different types of biological and chemical weapons.
The group said its members would not hesitate to add the new weapons to Kassam rockets that are being fired at Israeli communities almost every day. It also threatened to use the weapons against IDF soldiers if Israel carried out its threats to invade the Gaza Strip.
"We want to tell [Prime Minister Ehud] Olmert and [Defense Minister Amir] Peretz that your threats don't frighten us," the leaflet said.
Al-Aksa claims chemical capabilities,
Excerpt:
The Aksa Martyrs Brigades announced on Sunday that its members have succeeded in manufacturing chemical and biological weapons.
In a leaflet distributed in the Gaza Strip, the group, which belongs to Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah Party, said the weapons were the result of a three-year effort.
According to the statement, the first of its kind, the group has managed to manufacture and develop at least 20 different types of biological and chemical weapons.
The group said its members would not hesitate to add the new weapons to Kassam rockets that are being fired at Israeli communities almost every day. It also threatened to use the weapons against IDF soldiers if Israel carried out its threats to invade the Gaza Strip.
"We want to tell [Prime Minister Ehud] Olmert and [Defense Minister Amir] Peretz that your threats don't frighten us," the leaflet said.
QUOTE
We will surprise you with our new weapons the moment the first soldier sets foot in the Gaza Strip
QUOTE(judy @ Jun 27 2006, 09:27 PM) [snapback]216473[/snapback]
From the Jerusalem Post June 25 2006 -
Al-Aksa claims chemical capabilities,
Excerpt:
The Aksa Martyrs Brigades announced on Sunday that its members have succeeded in manufacturing chemical and biological weapons.
In a leaflet distributed in the Gaza Strip, the group, which belongs to Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah Party, said the weapons were the result of a three-year effort.
According to the statement, the first of its kind, the group has managed to manufacture and develop at least 20 different types of biological and chemical weapons.
The group said its members would not hesitate to add the new weapons to Kassam rockets that are being fired at Israeli communities almost every day. It also threatened to use the weapons against IDF soldiers if Israel carried out its threats to invade the Gaza Strip.
"We want to tell [Prime Minister Ehud] Olmert and [Defense Minister Amir] Peretz that your threats don't frighten us," the leaflet said.
More Arab bravado and BS.
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