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SherryB
QUOTE(patheticJT @ Dec 7 2006, 02:15 AM) [snapback]266716[/snapback]

Its nice to see liberals play games again....theyve had a boooosh enema so far up there ass they couldnt even post a smiley face. The election has put a gleem in their eye.

And they can now playfully discuss truth as a game, since theyve been yelling lies for years.

Now its all happy talk, theyve shouted their lies long enough over and over again that they feel redeemed by the past election.

Propagandists at heart..... forget defeating our enemies, its all about gaining power back.


Don't be so depressed. Happy Days Are Here Again! Mr. Baker will save you. He's going to talk to our enemies and make friends out of them. Trust me. smile.gif
Mizilus
well once again JT its the biggest liars on the board and the country that hypocritically bring up the "truth".
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(SherryB @ Dec 7 2006, 12:35 AM) [snapback]266725[/snapback]


Don't be so depressed. Happy Days Are Here Again! Mr. Baker will save you. He's going to talk to our enemies and make friends out of them. Trust me. smile.gif


I never know for sure who you mean by "our".
inyerface
ask the great white "uniter"
davisął
What he said was all nighter.
inyerface
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davisął
Old Milwalkee's Beast. Light.
Nomarchy
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Dec 6 2006, 09:58 PM) [snapback]266693[/snapback]

Some truths are self evident.


To those for whom they are self-evident.

QUOTE(Repub_Bub @ Dec 6 2006, 06:14 PM) [snapback]266654[/snapback]

Interesting concept...either truth is absolute or it isn't.
If it isn't absolute it ain't likely to be true.

According to you there are likely to be several versions of the truth...which means it isn't absolute...and therefore not true. smile.gif


Whose concept is the bolded part?

Several truths, each held to be absolute, treated as absolute and thus absolute in its effects, by those who hold it.

As far as I am concerned, you have a problem accepting the phenomenology of morality and truth.
Repub_Bub
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Dec 7 2006, 09:19 AM) [snapback]266832[/snapback]


As far as I am concerned, you have a problem accepting the phenomenology of morality and truth.

Morality is only phenomena when truth is not absolute.
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Dec 7 2006, 11:19 AM) [snapback]266832[/snapback]

To those for whom they are self-evident.



That's why we wrote it all down.
Nomarchy
QUOTE(Repub_Bub @ Dec 7 2006, 12:08 PM) [snapback]266872[/snapback]

Morality is only phenomena when truth is not absolute.


It is ALWAYS and necessarily phenomenal, be it absolutely absolute and unchanging or not.

Merely claiming that truth is absolute does not make it so. Merely claiming that you believe in the absoluteness of truth does not mean that you can actually arrive at an absolute truth.

Bart Katz
Phenomena happens.
judy
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More Lies From Jimmy Carter
December 07, 2006

The longtime advisor of a United States President has severed ties with the former commander in chief over a new book in which he justifies Palestinian violence as simply a reaction to Israeli apartheid.

Jimmy Carter has outraged many with his new book, "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid," and now even his loyal supporters are denouncing the book as inaccurate and lacking in integrity. In fact, his former confidant and onetime executive director of the Carter Center said the book is
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"replete with factual errors, copied materials not cited, superficialities, glaring omissions and simply invented segments."


The former Carter insider, Kenneth Stein, is a professor of Middle Eastern history at a major Georgia university and his outrage drove him to also sever a 23-year association with the Carter Center in Atlanta, which is committed to advancing human rights and alleviating unnecessary human suffering. Stein said even the book’s title is inflammatory and that being a former president does not give one a unique privilege to invent information.

The Nobel Peace-winning former president calls Israel the
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“tiny vortex around which swirl the winds of hatred, intolerance and bloodshed.”
He also writes that Israelis believe they have the right to confiscate and colonize Palestinian land and try to justify the subjugation and persecution of increasingly hopeless and aggravated Palestinians and some Palestinians react by honoring suicide bombers as martyrs to be rewarded in heaven and consider the killing of Israelis as victories.
    One lengthy book review lists many of the factual and historical errors and points out Carter’s distorted criticism of Israeli treatment of Palestinians while omitting Palestinians’ gross human rights violations. The review says that it is clear from the beginning that facts are of little concern to Carter. Other lengthy excerpts from the book can be viewed at a variety of news sites.
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inyerface
can't even begin to count the bush lies
Arturo_Vandelay
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More Lies From Jimmy Carter
December 07, 2006

The longtime advisor of a United States President has severed ties with the former commander in chief over a new book in which he justifies Palestinian violence as simply a reaction to Israeli apartheid.

Jimmy Carter has outraged many with his new book, "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid," and now even his loyal supporters are denouncing the book as inaccurate and lacking in integrity. In fact, his former confidant and onetime executive director of the Carter Center said the book is



Yep. I broke all ties with him long ago. He was the first president I voted for. But he was weak as president and inspired no confidence in the country. But at least it seemed like he had good intentions and retired to be a figurehead for Habitat for Humanity. Now he's become just a far-left political hack and anti-American propagandist. It's sad to see, but looking back I figure he was a communist that sold himself as a moderate, not an honest left-winger that admitted what he was up front.
patheticJT
QUOTE(SherryB @ Dec 7 2006, 07:35 AM) [snapback]266725[/snapback]

Don't be so depressed. Happy Days Are Here Again! Mr. Baker will save you. He's going to talk to our enemies and make friends out of them. Trust me. smile.gif



Sorry to disappoint you Sherryb, but no depression here. Its good to see you so excited about Happy Days are Here Again.

Two more years of Bush bringing a smile to your face. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(patheticJT @ Dec 7 2006, 02:07 PM) [snapback]266894[/snapback]



Sorry to disappoint you Sherryb, but no depression here.


The studies are right, lefties love depression and gloom. No wonder all of Hollywood is in therapy.
patheticJT
QUOTE(Mizilus @ Dec 6 2006, 09:33 PM) [snapback]266539[/snapback]

Its that asskicker ( R )Jesus ( R ). The guy that said "Then putest out thine hand and turneth their other cheeketh so to better smiteth them upon it. Verily."



Reminds me of the liberal professor and his girlfriend walking down the street with a latte and espresso in hand. Two muggers jump out of the alley and knock the professor down. they start slapping the girl around and the liberal professor sits up from the pavement and says:

"Turn the other cheek sweetie!" and lets her get pummelled unconscience as the muggers get away with her purse.

Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(patheticJT @ Dec 7 2006, 02:13 PM) [snapback]266898[/snapback]



Reminds me of the liberal professor and his girlfriend walking down the street with a latte and espresso in hand. Two muggers jump out of the alley and knock the professor down. they start slapping the girl around and the liberal professor sits up from the pavement and says:

"Turn the other cheek sweetie!" and lets her get pummelled unconscience as the muggers get away with her purse.



I heard the same joke, but the purse was his.
Mizilus
thats a joke? Wheres the punchline?

As usual it sounds like something some bushlover pulled square outta their keister.
judy
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Dec 7 2006, 04:01 PM) [snapback]266892[/snapback]

Yep. I broke all ties with him long ago. He was the first president I voted for. But he was weak as president and inspired no confidence in the country. But at least it seemed like he had good intentions and retired to be a figurehead for Habitat for Humanity. Now he's become just a far-left political hack and anti-American propagandist. It's sad to see, but looking back I figure he was a communist that sold himself as a moderate, not an honest left-winger that admitted what he was up front.


His anti-Israel and anti-Americanism continues to escalate.

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Adviser to Jimmy Carter resigns in dispute over book on Palestinians and apartheid
By Brenda Goodman and Julie Bosman Published: December 7, 2006


ATLANTA: An adviser to former President Jimmy Carter and onetime executive director of the Carter Center has publicly parted ways with his former boss, citing concerns with the accuracy and integrity of Carter's latest book, "Palestine Peace Not Apartheid."

The adviser, Kenneth Stein, a professor of Middle Eastern history and political science at Emory University in Atlanta, resigned his position Tuesday as a fellow with the Carter Center, ending a 23-year association with the institution.

In a two-page letter explaining his action, Stein called the book replete with factual errors, copied materials not cited, superficialities, glaring omissions and simply invented segments." Stein said he had used similar language in a private letter he sent to Carter but received no reply.

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"In the letter to him, I told him, 'It's your prerogative to write anything you want when you want,'" "That's not why I'm resigning."
Stein said Wednesday in a telephone interview.
Stein said he admired the former president's accomplishments but felt that he had to distance himself from the Carter Center and the book, which was published by Simon & Schuster.

Deanna Congelio, a spokeswoman for Carter, released this statement with his response: "Although Professor Kenneth Stein has not been actively involved with the Carter Center for more than 12 years, I regret his resignation from the titular position as a fellow." It did not address Stein's criticism of the book.

That criticism is the latest in a growing chorus of academics who have taken issue with the book, including David Makovsky, director of the Project on the Middle East Process at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

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"I was just very saddened by it," Makovsky said. "I just found so many errors."


Carter's use of "apartheid" in the title has prompted much of the dispute. The Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles released a statement Monday saying the former president harbors bias against Israel.
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"There is no Israeli apartheid policy, and President Carter knows it,"
the statement said.

David Rosenthal, the publisher of Simon & Schuster, said of Carter, "We're confident in his work," adding, "I have no reason to doubt President Carter's research." http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/12/07/news/carter.php
Arturo_Vandelay
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thats a joke? Wheres the punchline?


Liberals are alway funny. It doesn't really require a GOOD punchline.
patheticJT
QUOTE(Mizilus @ Dec 7 2006, 09:36 PM) [snapback]266907[/snapback]

thats a joke? Wheres the punchline?

As usual it sounds like something some bushlover pulled square outta their keister.



We are looking for your sense of humor..................
judy
Compliments of Al Jazeerah

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Former US president, Jimmy Carter, blames Israel and US for the failure of the peace process

Former US president blames Israel for the failure of the peace process

Date: 07 / 12 / 2006 Time: 11:48

Bethlehem - Ma'an -


In his recently published book, 'Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid', the former president places full responsibly on Israel for the failure of any peace talks. This is especially clear in Chapter 16 ("The Wall as a Prison").

Carter says in this chapter: "Most Arab regimes have accepted the permanent existence of Israel as an indisputable fact and are no longer calling for an end to the State of Israel, having contrived a common statement at an Arab summit in 2002 that offers peace and normal relations with Israel within its acknowledged international borders and in compliance with other U.N. Security Council resolutions." (p. 14)

In his book, Carter said that what was offered to the Palestinians by the US president Bill Clinton could not be accepted by any Palestinian leader, especially in regard to the Israeli settlements in the West Bank and the size of the territory these settlements would occupy.

Carter added that no Palestinians would accept this offer. He said that anyone who accepted that offer would have to be accountable to his people and to history.

With regard to the Israeli allegations that the Palestinians rejected a "generous offer" in Taba in 2001 when it is widely believed that the Israelis offered to keep only 5 percent of the Palestinian lands, Carter says in his book: "The fact is that no such offers were ever made. Barak later said, "It was plain to me that there was no chance of reaching a settlement at Taba. Therefore I said there would be no negotiations and there would be no delegation and there would be no official discussions and no documentation. Nor would Americans be present in the room. The only thing that took place at Taba were nonbinding contacts between senior Israelis and senior Palestinians." (p. 152)

With regard to Israel's separation wall and the so-called 'Seam Zone' between the wall and the Green Line, Carter writes: "The area between the segregation barrier and the Israeli border has been designated a closed military region for an indefinite period of time. Israeli directives state that every Palestinian over the age of twelve living in the closed area has to obtain a "permanent resident permit" from the civil administration to enable them to continue to live in their own homes. They are considered to be aliens, without the rights of Israeli citizens.

"To summarize: whatever territory Israel decides to confiscate will be on its side of the wall, but Israelis will still retain control of the Palestinians who will be on the other side of the barrier". (pp. 192-3)

Carter's ends his book with recommendations for Israel, its Arab neighbors, and the international community: "The bottom line is this: Peace will come to Israel and the Middle East only when the Israeli government is willing to comply with international law, with the Roadmap for Peace, with official American policy, with the wishes of a majority of its own citizens--and honors its own previous commitments--by accepting its legal borders. All Arab neighbors must pledge to honor Israel's right to live in peace under these conditions.

The United States is squandering international prestige and goodwill and intensifying global anti-American terrorism by unofficially condoning or abetting the Israeli confiscation and colonization of Palestinian territories." (p. 216)


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Jimmy Carter--Always the Friend of the enemies of America
Arturo_Vandelay
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All Arab neighbors must pledge to honor Israel's right to live in peace under these conditions.


Just in case hell does freeze over.
judy
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Dec 7 2006, 05:11 PM) [snapback]266921[/snapback]

Just in case hell does freeze over.


In their dreams......

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Repub_Bub
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Dec 7 2006, 12:25 PM) [snapback]266883[/snapback]

It is ALWAYS and necessarily phenomenal, be it absolutely absolute and unchanging or not.

Merely claiming that truth is absolute does not make it so. Merely claiming that you believe in the absoluteness of truth does not mean that you can actually arrive at an absolute truth.

Absolutes are something you may or may not understand...but nothing indicates that absolutes are phenomenal.

No one can claim to know absolute truth...nor can claiming a belief in absolutes guarantee arrival.

Believing in flexible morality guarantees absolute incorrectness...believing in a fixed morality guarantees one a chance of being correct. smile.gif
judy
Carter chose the Book's Name to spark contraversy for book sales

Carter Mideast book sparks bitter dispute
Dec. 8, 2006. 01:00 AM
BRENDA GOODMAN AND JULIE BOSMAN
NEW YORK TIMES


ATLANTA—An adviser to former U.S. president Jimmy Carter and one-time executive director of the Carter Center has publicly parted ways with his former boss, citing concerns with the accuracy and integrity of Carter's latest book, Palestine Peace Not Apartheid.

The adviser, Kenneth W. Stein, a professor of Middle Eastern history and political science at Emory University, resigned as a fellow with the Carter Center on Tuesday, ending a 23-year association with the institution.

In a two-page letter explaining his action, Stein said the book was "replete with factual errors, copied materials not cited, superficialities, glaring omissions and simply invented segments." Stein said he had used similar language in a private letter he sent to Carter, 82, but received no reply.


Stein said he admired the former president's accomplishments but felt he had to distance himself from the Carter Center and the book, which was published by Simon & Schuster.

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"It's an issue of how history should be written," Stein said. "I had to distance myself from something that was coming close to me professionally."


Deanna Congelio, spokeswoman for Carter, released a statement with his response: "Although Professor Kenneth Stein has not been actively involved with the Carter Center for more than 12 years, I regret his resignation from the titular position as a fellow."

It did not address Stein's criticism of the book.


That criticism is the latest in a growing chorus of academics who have taken issue with the book, including Alan Dershowitz, professor of law at Harvard, who called the book "ahistorical," and David Makovsky, director of the Project on the Middle East Process at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. "I was just very saddened by it," Makovsky said. "I just found so many errors."


Stein declined to detail the inaccuracies he found, saying he was still documenting them for a planned review. He said parts were strikingly similar to the work of another author.

    Stein appeared today and cited many inaccuracies and commented that Jimmy Carter used his own former writings as sources. He tells things how he wishes they were instead of how they really are. The danger is that Jimmy's book can be deleterious to future studies because they are based upon faulty premises (iow... LIES )


David Rosenthal, the publisher of Simon & Schuster, dismissed Stein's claims. "We're confident in his work," Rosenthal said of Carter. "Do we check every line in every book? No, but that's not the issue here. I have no reason to doubt president Carter's research."

    Well, historians and experts not only doubt his work, they challenge it! Not the first time a book of lies was written. For example both Clintons wrote books about their lives after testifying before the Grand Jury hundreds and hundreds of times: "I can't recall, I don't remember".



davisął
Yeah, yeah. Anyone who criticizes Israel is branded an anti-semite and banished. Is this critic an evangelical Christian by any chance? I'd bet my life savings he is.
judy
Jimmy Carter's Kampf
by Jack Engelhard
Dec 08, '06 / 17 Kislev 5767

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That was Borat, not Jimmy Carter, who urged a crowd of lounge lizards in Tucson to join him in singing, "Throw the Jew Down the Well."

Carter has the same message, but (without the spoof) his narrative comes in a book that's just being released and is titled Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid.

Apparently the written word is not enough, so Carter has taken his grudge against Israel on tour. There he is with his brotherhood on National Public Radio, NPR, where Israel-bashing is always welcome; and here he is on C-Span; and he keeps on going and won't stop until he's got us all signing up for Holocaust Part 2.

Historians tell us that Pharaoh was the first to stir up the multitudes against the Jews, and we have it from Scripture that a new Pharaoh will arise to torment us from generation to generation. Carter knows his Bible and the part where Pharaoh says: "Come, let us deal craftily with this people."

So it shall be written, so it shall be done.

Harvard professor Alan Dershowitz has already ripped Carter's book by chapter and verse, so that's the place to go, Dershowitz, to find point-by-point where Carter turns history on its head, truth inside out. That's where we find exactly how Carter casts five and half million Israelis as villains against 300 million peace-loving Arabs.

Carter embraces Hamas, which openly calls for the destruction of Israel, and Carter reminds us that the Israelis never want peace, never make concessions. The fact that Israel gave up the Sinai and more recently gave up Gaza - well, all that makes no difference once you've got your mind made up and your heart is brimming with hostility, hatred and bigotry.

The credit for peace, by Carter's definition, goes to someone like a 67-year-old grandmother who blows herself up on a suicide mission and is then cheered by her family, friends and neighbors. Checkpoints to stop such behavior are, in Carter's terminology, "apartheid." Along the TV and speaking circuits, Carter seldom misses a chance to inventory his grievances against the Jewish State and to promote his Mein Kampf, his struggle to enlist the rest of us in joining his campaign to blow down the single house the Jews built to spare themselves further pogroms and genocides.

Carter's Protocols have already, and quickly, found enough readers to make it a best-seller. But Professor Kenneth W. Stein is not buying. Stein, an associate of Carter's for some 23 years, has now disassociated himself from Carter, citing the book's "factual errors" and "glaring omissions" and "invented segments." Stein adds that the book's "one-sided nature" is "meant to provoke."

For some time, word circulated about a certain ex-president who actually helped Yasser Arafat write his speeches in order to polish that mass murderer into a more presentable figure for the American people. Americans couldn't stomach Arafat's own kampf to "drive the Jews into the sea," so Jimmy Carter, it was said, changed that - only the words, not the intent - to, "We want peace."

Many of us found that hard to believe about an ex-president "who builds homes," and it is still difficult to prove, but now, with this book, we can believe anything. The unintended subliminal message from the pages of this updated Mein Kampf is that, with people like Jimmy Carter on the prowl, the need for a strong Israel, supported by righteous Jews and true Christians, is more urgent than ever.

That we Americans survived a man like this as president says much for the strength of our country. Yes, we survived and so will Israel.

If you can't read Carter's book, read his lips, as I did on C-Span.

The man is an anti-Semite.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/article.php3?id=6757
Mizilus
you ust be getting paid for this because it's like a full time job.
davisął


Throw the Jew down the well?

Your absolute hatred for a man of faith like Carter, who is willing to speak out against Israeli policies when they are wrong, is sick and twisted.

You have lost your mind.
patheticJT
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Throw the Jew down the well?

Your absolute hatred for a man of faith like Carter, who is willing to speak out against Israeli policies when they are wrong, is sick and twisted.

You have lost your mind.



Reminds me of your hatred for robertson and falwell.

Your mind has been lost for years. laugh.gif laugh.gif
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I have every confidence that what you say about jimmy Carter is not only wrong, but vicous and ignorant.
judy
Carter Book on Israel 'Apartheid' Sparks Bitter Debate

Scholar Resigns From Ga. Center

By Karen DeYoung
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, December 7, 2006; Page A04

A veteran Middle East scholar affiliated with the Carter Center in Atlanta resigned his position there Monday in an escalating controversy over former president Jimmy Carter's bestselling book on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

The book, "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid," traces the ups and downs of the Israeli-Palestinian peace process beginning with Carter's 1977-1980 presidency and the historic peace accord he negotiated between Israel and Egypt and continuing to the present. Although it apportions blame to Israel, the Palestinians and outside parties -- including the United States -- for the failure of decades of peace efforts, it is sharply critical of Israeli policy and concludes that "Israel's continued control and colonization of Palestinian land have been the primary obstacles to a comprehensive peace agreement in the Holy Land."
Kenneth W. Stein, a professor at Emory University, accused Carter of factual errors, omissions and plagiarism in the book. "Being a former President does not give one a unique privilege to invent information," Stein wrote in a harshly worded e-mail to friends and colleagues explaining his resignation as the center's Middle East fellow.

Stein offered no specifics in his e-mail to back up the charges, writing only that "in due course, I shall detail these points and reflect on their origins."

A statement issued by the center yesterday in Carter's name said he regretted Stein's resignation "from the titular position as a Fellow" and noted that he had not been "actively involved" there for the past 12 years. Carter thanked Stein for his advice and assistance "during the early years of our Center" and wished him well.

While acknowledging that the word "apartheid" refers to the system of legal racial separation once used in South Africa, Carter says in his book that it is an appropriate term for Israeli policies devoted to "the acquisition of land" in Palestinian territories through Jewish settlements and Israel's incorporation of Palestinian land on its side of a separating wall it is erecting.

He criticizes suicide bombers and those who "consider the killing of Israelis as victories" but also notes that "some Israelis believe they have the right to confiscate and colonize Palestinian land and try to justify the sustained subjugation and persecution of increasingly hopeless and aggravated Palestinians."

Accusing the Bush administration of abandoning the effort to promote a lasting peace, he calls for renewed negotiations on the basis of security guarantees for Israel and Israel's recognition of U.N.-established borders.

Formally published three weeks ago, the book quickly became a bestseller. Carter has been prominently interviewed in the media and has been mobbed at book appearances around the country.

Speaking Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press," he said he was glad the book had raised controversy. "If it provokes debate and assessment and disputes and arguments and maybe some action in the Middle East to get the peace process, which is now completely absent or dormant, rejuvenated, and brings peace ultimately to Israel, that's what I want," he said.

Criticism of the book, primarily from Jewish groups and leaders, began even before it was published, and it became an issue in the midterm elections last month. The New York-based Jewish Daily Forward noted in October that Democrats were trying to distance themselves from its reported contents as Republicans were seeking to widely disseminate Carter's views in an effort to win Jewish votes.

Speaking to the Forward about Carter, Republican Jewish Coalition executive director Matthew Brooks said the coalition had "not shied away from shining a light on some of his misguided and outrageous comments about Israel in the past. . . . So far, there's been nothing but silence on the part of the Democratic establishment in terms of holding Carter accountable."

Rep. Steve Israel, a Democrat from New York, told the Forward that the "book clearly does not reflect the direction of the party."

Since then, the controversy has only grown. In a widely published commentary last weekend, Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz wrote that Carter's "use of the loaded word 'apartheid,' suggesting an analogy to the hated policies of South Africa, is especially outrageous."

In a statement issued Monday, the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles contended that Carter
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"abandons all objectivity and unabashedly acts as a virtual spokesman for the Palestinian cause."


In a telephone interview yesterday, Stein said that Carter had "taken [material] directly" from a published work written by a third party but that legal action was being contemplated and he was not yet at liberty to make the details public. He said accounts in the book about meetings he had attended with Carter between 1980 and 1990 had left out key facts in order to "make the Israelis look like they're the only ones responsible" for the failure of peace efforts.
beasty
It sure is a good thing Jews aren't into fatwahs and suicide bombings so Jimmy is safe to spew his hate in America. Try saying anything pro-Israel in Palestine.
judy
QUOTE(patheticJT @ Dec 8 2006, 12:12 PM) [snapback]267196[/snapback]

Reminds me of your hatred for robertson and falwell.

Your mind has been lost for years. laugh.gif laugh.gif


davis doesn't even know about "Throw the Jew down the well' laugh.gif smile.gif biggrin.gif
Mizilus
Yeah. I'm sure Gerald Bull would agree with you.
davisął
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Kenneth W. SteinKenneth W. Stein
Professor of Contemporary Middle Eastern History

Author, writer, teacher, and lecturer, Kenneth W. Stein is the William E. Schatten Professor of Contemporary Middle Eastern History, Political Science and Israeli Studies at Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia. He has many scholarly publications and they include Heroic Diplomacy: Sadat, Kissinger, Carter, Begin, and the quest for Arab-Israeli Peace (Routledge, 1999); Making Peace Among Arabs and Israelis: Lessons from Fifty Years of Negotiating Experience (Washington, 1991); The Blood of Abraham: Insights into the Middle East (Houghton-Mifflin,1985), in collaboration with former President Jimmy Carter; and The Land Question in Palestine, 1917-1939 (Chapel Hill, 1984). From 1996 through 1999, he wrote the chapter on the "Arab-Israeli Peace Process" in Middle East Contemporary Survey (Westview Press). For the 1999 and 2002 editions of the Microsoft Encarta Encyclopedia, he wrote the entries for "PLO", "1948 Israeli Independence War," "June 1967 War," "1973 October War," "Hamas," and "Intifadah." The Hebrew edition of Heroic Diplomacy (Mediniyut Amitsa) was published in September 2003. He is presently completing an anthology of self-authored essays on the social, economic, and political ties between Jews, Arabs, and the British in mandatory Palestine.

Dr. Stein’s scholarly articles have focused on the origins of modern Israel, Palestinian social history, the British Mandate in Palestine, the Arab-Israeli negotiating process, American foreign policy toward the region, and the modern Arab world. His most recent contributions are "American Mediation of the Palestinian-Israeli Conflict: A Positive Assessment of the April 2002; and "Die Bush-Doktrin: Selektives Engagement in Nahen Osten," Internationale Politik (Berlin), Volume 3, 2002.

Dr. Stein writes a monthly column on Middle Eastern issues in addition to serving as a frequent commentator for the print and electronic media. He is the recipient of multiple scholarly awards including Emory’s 2002 Marion V. Creekmore Award for his quarter-century commitment to the internationalization of Emory College’s curriculum. His undergraduate course "History, Politics, and the Diplomacy of the Arab-Israeli conflict," is one of Emory’s most popular courses. He is the recipient of four teaching awards at Emory, including the highest award presented for undergraduate teaching in the social sciences, the Emory Williams Award.

Dr. Stein received his undergraduate B.A degree from Franklin and Marshall College and two Masters and hisDoctoral degree from the University of Michigan. He was trained at Michigan in medieval Islamic and modern Middle Eastern history, modern Jewish History, British Empire and Commonwealth, Middle Eastern politics, and did his Doctoral work on Arabs and Jews in the British Mandatory Palestine.

Since coming to Emory in 1977, Dr. Stein founded and developed the International Studies Center, was the first director of the Carter Center (1983 -1986) and the Institute for the Study of Modern Israel (1997). Since the summer 2000 he has conducted four one-week summer teacher workshops for pre-collegiate teacher on Teaching Israeli History, Society and Politics.

Participating teachers have uniformly categorized these workshops with extraordinary praise, citing them for their superb content, organization, and usefulness in the intellectual empowerment of Jewish and non-Jewish educators.

http://www.jnf.org/site/PageServer?JServSe...Kenneth_W_Stein
judy
Maps in Carter's book are questioned
By Josh Getlin, Times Staff Writer
December 8, 2006


NEW YORK — Harsh allegations over President Carter's new book on Israel and the Palestinians came into sharper focus Thursday when a former top aide to Carter said the book appeared to contain maps that were "unusually similar" to those in an earlier book.

Kenneth W. Stein had sent a blistering letter of resignation Monday to officials at the Carter Center in Atlanta charging that the former president's book, "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid," had factual errors, invented segments and, most seriously, "copied materials not cited."


But, in a telephone interview Thursday evening, Stein offered a narrower criticism. "It appears that at least two maps that came out of the Carter book were or are very closely similar, or unusually similar, to maps that were produced and published in Dennis Ross' book 'The Missing Peace,' " Stein said.

That book, published in 2004, is also about the search for peace in the Middle East. "This could be incredibly coincidental, or it could not," Stein said. "But it goes to the way history books should be written, and the way citations should be made when material is borrowed."

The maps in question appear on Page 148 of Carter's book, detailing the differing Israeli and Palestinian interpretations of President Clinton's peace proposal made in 2000.

Ross, who was U.S. Middle East envoy under Clinton and President George H.W. Bush, could not be reached for comment Thursday night; Stein declined to discuss the matter in any greater detail.

Carter's book, which calls Israel's refusal to give back occupied Arab lands the greatest stumbling block to peace in the Middle East, has attracted criticism from prominent academics.

But officials at Simon & Schuster, which published the book, have directed their most pointed criticism at Stein. "We haven't seen these allegations, we haven't seen any specifics," Publisher David Rosenthal said of Stein's earlier letter. "And I have no way of assessing anything he [Stein] has said…. This is all about nothing. We stand behind the book fully, and the fact that there has been a divided reaction to it is not surprising."

Stein was executive director of the Carter Center, a nonprofit that monitors democratic elections and healthcare initiatives in Third World countries. The center has sponsored many of Carter's peacekeeping missions in recent years to such hot spots as North Korea, Haiti and the Middle East.

As the debate continued over the book, attention shifted to Carter's next scheduled public appearance, at Vroman's Bookstore in Pasadena on Monday evening. In an interview last week, Carter said he realized his book could ignite passions on both sides. Deanna Congileo, his spokeswoman, said he had no intention of canceling the Southern California appearance, which is part of a national book tour.

"I wanted to stimulate a debate on this issue because we don't have a real national debate on this in the United States," said Carter, who brokered the 1978 Camp David accords between Israel and Egypt. The former president, seeking to deflect criticism that his book is biased against Israel and the United States, said he "deplores" the terrorist violence against Israel.

Carter has declined to comment on Stein's accusations, except to say that his book is not about Israel, "where democracy prevails and citizens live together and are legally guaranteed equal status."

Rather, he said, the book is about the occupied Palestinian territories, where, he said, Israel's construction of an "imprisonment wall" has encircled Palestinians and constitutes an "economic form" of apartheid.


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davisął
QUOTE(beasty @ Dec 8 2006, 11:21 AM) [snapback]267199[/snapback]

It sure is a good thing Jews aren't into fatwahs and suicide bombings so Jimmy is safe to spew his hate in America. Try saying anything pro-Israel in Palestine.



Now Jimmy Carter is a real hate monger. You people have gone over the edge. You idolize Zell Miller and General Boykin because they are beyond a shadow of a doubt, Muslim haters, then you demonize Carter when he criticizes Israel.
beasty
QUOTE(davisął @ Dec 8 2006, 10:28 AM) [snapback]267207[/snapback]

Now Jimmy Carter is a real hate monger. You people have gone over the edge. You idolize Zell Miller and General Boykin because they are beyond a shadow of a doubt, Muslim haters, then you demonize Carter when he criticizes Israel.



"You people" don't give a damn about Zell Miller OR Boykin, yet you're here all the time idolizing Carter. Screw him.
judy
QUOTE(beasty @ Dec 8 2006, 12:21 PM) [snapback]267199[/snapback]

It sure is a good thing Jews aren't into fatwahs and suicide bombings so Jimmy is safe to spew his hate in America. Try saying anything pro-Israel in Palestine.


Jimmy Carter is worried about his funeral and his legacy and how history will look at his failures. So he is attempting to rewrite history. His source of material for his latest book is his own wishful thinking writings and he is said to have copied other writers. His maps are as wrong in his book as he is in his thinking.
patheticJT
QUOTE(beasty @ Dec 8 2006, 05:35 PM) [snapback]267212[/snapback]

"You people" don't give a damn about Zell Miller OR Boykin, yet you're here all the time idolizing Carter. Screw him.


idolizing Carter...........

I love Jimmy Carter smile.gif
judy
QUOTE(davisął @ Dec 8 2006, 12:07 PM) [snapback]267194[/snapback]

Throw the Jew down the well?

Your absolute hatred for a man of faith like Carter, who is willing to speak out against Israeli policies when they are wrong, is sick and twisted.

You have lost your mind.

And you are definately out of the loop. Here you go: Get caught up;


A comedian, Borat, decided to test the tolerance and racist attitude at a southern US bar. In the process he also gave us a glimpse of the face of the average racist.

Sacha (also known as Borat) is a comedian from England with a pretty bizarre sense of humor. He decided to test the reaction to a clearly anti-Semite song in a bar. As you can see the crowd is very receptive to the song and the lyrics despite the lousy voice of Borat.

At first I was glad to see that there were a few (actually just 2), people that did not join in or cheer with the rest of the crowd. However, if you look very closely, at the end one of this guys was obviously impressed enough to rais his drink and cheer for Borat.

Now, on a nother note. I realize that when this video was aired for the first time (on TV) there was a lot of talk about Borat behavior being inappropriate and that his song is ant-semitic and wrong. Consequently, the video was pulled out of the airway. I decided to show this clip since I think that this video shows clearly and without dispute that racist sentiments directed toward Jews is still florishing today, 60 years after the fall of the Nazis.

Lyrics - In my country there is problem

Verse
In my country there is problem,
And that problem is transport.
It take very very long,
Because Kazakhstan is big.

Chorus 1
Throw transport down the well (repeat line)
So my country can be free (repeat line)
We must make travel easy (repeat line)
Then we’ll have a big party (repeat line)


Verse 2
In my country there is problem
And that problem is the Jew
They take everybody money
And they never give it back


Chorus 2
Throw the jew down the well (repeat line)
So my country can be free (repeat line)
You must grab him by his horns (repeat line)
Then we have a big party (repeat line)


Verse 3
If you see the Jew coming
You must be carefull of his teeth
You must grab him by his money
And I tell you what to do


(Repeat Chorus 2 twice)



You are probably one of the last clueless people who haven't seen or heard this.

Watch, Listen & Learn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb3IMTJjzfo
Russ Logan
judy

Former President Carter is not an anti-semite -

From the American heritage Dictionary - 1st meaning for "Semite" -

A member of a group of Semitic-speaking peoples of the Near East and northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians.

2nd meaning is Jews.

Anti-Israel he may be.

Semite, and semitic, has been too narrowly applied in the popular press.
judy
QUOTE(Russ Logan @ Dec 8 2006, 01:18 PM) [snapback]267233[/snapback]

judy

Former President Carter is not an anti-semite -

From the American heritage Dictionary - 1st meaning for "Semite" -

A member of a group of Semitic-speaking peoples of the Near East and northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians.

2nd meaning is Jews.

Anti-Israel he may be.

Semite, and semitic, has been too narrowly applied in the popular press.


What's in a name? He is what he is!

He doesn't like Israel.

He doesn't like Jews (both Ashkenazi & Sephardic)

Irrespective to what you say, to me he's an anti-semite... (and everyone knows that means "anti-Jewish" just as "choice" means abortion, "gay" means sodomy.


Was Hitler anti-semitic? He didn't limit the gas chambers to just the Sephardic Jews.
davisął
Lady you must belong to some kind of a cult to believe what you do. That's the only explanation I can think of. You are completely divorced from reality.
Mizilus
I always wonder why some folks are worried about a certain little pissant ME country over another.
davisął
QUOTE(Mizilus @ Dec 8 2006, 01:41 PM) [snapback]267257[/snapback]

I always wonder why some folks are worried about a certain little pissant ME country over another.



prophecy.

Been sniffing ethylene gas? That's what the Oracle of Delphi was on.
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