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SherryB
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Oct 29 2006, 03:27 AM) [snapback]255138[/snapback]

I gave the reasons. I could give you some actual cases, but I don't want to waste my time.


Please don't bother. On a scale of 1-10 my interest in this subject is -100.
Bart Katz
QUOTE(SherryB @ Oct 29 2006, 03:31 AM) [snapback]255142[/snapback]

Please don't bother. On a scale of 1-10 my interest in this subject is -100.


Yeah, I know. You're stuck with that anti-capitalist line.
SherryB
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Oct 29 2006, 03:32 AM) [snapback]255144[/snapback]

Yeah, I know. You're stuck with that anti-capitalist line.


DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM. smile.gif
Bart Katz
QUOTE(SherryB @ Oct 29 2006, 03:36 AM) [snapback]255149[/snapback]

DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM. smile.gif


Workers of the world Unite.
SherryB
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Oct 29 2006, 03:39 AM) [snapback]255153[/snapback]

Workers of the world Unite.


Ah, if only they would. smile.gif They may, republicans may drive them to it.
Bart Katz
QUOTE(SherryB @ Oct 29 2006, 03:41 AM) [snapback]255155[/snapback]

Ah, if only they would. smile.gif They may, republicans may drive them to it.


No profit in that. Nobody to pay the wages.
SherryB
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Oct 29 2006, 03:43 AM) [snapback]255157[/snapback]

No profit in that. Nobody to pay the wages.


There are many, many democratic socialist countries around the world that are doing just fine. No hunger, no homeless, no poverty. High taxes, but an equal chance for everyone to live with dignity.
Bart Katz
QUOTE(SherryB @ Oct 29 2006, 03:48 AM) [snapback]255160[/snapback]

There are many, many democratic socialist countries around the world that are doing just fine. No hunger, no homeless, no poverty. High taxes, but an equal chance for everyone to live with dignity.


I'm very happy for them.
Repub_Bub
QUOTE(SherryB @ Oct 29 2006, 12:48 AM) [snapback]255160[/snapback]

There are many, many democratic socialist countries around the world that are doing just fine. No hunger, no homeless, no poverty. High taxes, but an equal chance for everyone to live with dignity.

Yeah, know what ya mean....kinda like re-routing the plasma conduits or reconfiguring the warp drive.
SherryB


Ken Mehlman the gay head of the republcian party accepts money from maker of gay porn movies. Family values?

(October 28, 2006 -- 11:41 PM EST // link)


RNC Chief Ken Mehlman accepted political contributions from gay porn king?

Last week, you'll remember, the RNC, headed by Ken Mehlman, was running that race-baiting 'bimbo' ad against Rep. Harold Ford (D) down in Tennessee. One of the barbs in that ad was the claim that Ford had taken political contributions from "porn movie producers."

But it seems there is plenty of porn movie producer money to go around.

It turns out that the Republican National Committee is a regular recipient of political contributions from Nicholas T. Boyias, the owner and CEO of Marina Pacific Distributors, one of the largest producers and distributors of gay porn in the United States. This recent article on Marina Pacific's new marketing campaign form XBiz, a porn industry trade sheet, notes that, in addition to producing its own material, the "company acts as a distribution house to hundreds of lines, mostly gay, 40 of which can be purchased only through MPD."

The company actually seems to be a trendsetter in the industry. As Boyias recently noted, "We have always modeled ourselves after a Fortune-style company. They are the models of exceptional customer service. We have formed strategic alliances with our vendors and customers alike, offering them tools and marketing to assist them in succeeding with their business models. Our one-on-one interpersonal relationships have never been duplicated in the distribution industry."

Some recent releases include "Fire in the Hole", "Flesh and Boners", even a "Velvet Mafia" series.

FEC.gov lists Boyias as contributing to the RNC three times in 2004 and two times in 2005. The NRCC got a little too. But only $250.

The FEC records list Boyias as either "self employed" or as owner and CEO of NTB Inc. But the California Secretary of State's website lists Boyias' NTB, Inc as located at 7077 Vineland Ave, which turns out to be the same address where Marina Pacific is located. So I'm pretty sure we're dealing with the same guy.

So, Ken Mehlman, for porn producer money before he was against it, I guess.

(ed.note: Let me say, for the record, that I consider pornography not only a legal but a morally unobjectionable product. People in that industry have as much right to participate in the political process as anyone else. And it's difficult for the head of a political committee or a candidate in a political campaign to know the background of every contributor. But hypocrisy blows. And on this issue, as on others, Ken Mehlman's a hypocrite.)

-- Josh Marshall
Nomarchy
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Oct 29 2006, 12:57 AM) [snapback]255129[/snapback]

Sure but it's not always " the search for higher profit rates ", which was the only criteria you put on it. That's why I was expanding on the subject.


Sir, the search for (higher) profit is the 'ultimate end' (goal) of business decision-making in an economy like ours. The others you mentioned, and which I did not gainsay, are 'intermediate' and 'subordinate' goals to (higher) profits.

Cutting back on or eliminating relatively high-cost/low return investments and facilities, firing or not hiring as quickly or as many higher cost employees at all levels compared to their contribution (directly and indirectly) to the 'bottom-line', siting new operations in places with more flexible labor markets, looser-less costly environmental, safety, etc. standards, more favorable to profits tax-schemes, more favorable real-estate markets, etc. etc. etc. are all subordinate 'instruments' whereby to maximize profits.

There are always plenty of alternative instruments to arrive at the same goal (the principle of equifinality). Businesses may be 'taken to task' by critics (be they stock-holders, workers, politicians, pundits, whatever) for their choice among realistic alternative instruments, and realistic alternative time-horizons on the basis of which they evaluated their alternatives, etc. From within the current system, they cannot be legitimately critiqued for their "ultimate end" which is "maximizing share-holder value", which, unless something has radically changed about a capitalist society, remains "maximize profits'.
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(SherryB @ Oct 29 2006, 01:50 PM) [snapback]255257[/snapback]

But hypocrisy blows. And on this issue, as on others, Ken Mehlman's a hypocrite.)


Mehlman blows.
celtcahill
Mehlman, trying to defend THE AD really did blow and suck.

That there may have been black people in the vetting process is no excuse, for any of them to have been able to ignore the historic implications, means they are stupid too.

Racist Ad
Arturo_Vandelay
You have to refer to him as "Mehlman, the gay head of the Republican party" now.
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Oct 29 2006, 03:36 PM) [snapback]255293[/snapback]

You have to refer to him as "Mehlman, the gay head of the Republican party" now.

Gay head?

Who knew?
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Oct 29 2006, 03:33 PM) [snapback]255299[/snapback]

Gay head?

Who knew?


Barney, "the lisping faggot escort service tycoon" of the Democrat party. Maybe others. smile.gif
arebuntz
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Oct 28 2006, 12:42 AM) [snapback]254864[/snapback]

They were driven there. Probably in a Ford.

Toyota, Honda, or Hyundai in trade soon as they got there...

QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Oct 28 2006, 01:07 AM) [snapback]254877[/snapback]

The comparative gains and losses by quintiles or such things. It just adds levels of complication.

I always find it amusing that folks are surprised/alarmed that people who already have made money figure out how to make more of it...
Nomarchy
QUOTE(arebuntz @ Oct 29 2006, 06:58 PM) [snapback]255323[/snapback]

I always find it amusing that folks are surprised/alarmed that people who already have made money figure out how to make more of it...


What does that have to do with anything? Have you any idea how these quintiles are constructed or are you just shooting from the hip?
arebuntz
QUOTE(bay @ Oct 28 2006, 09:17 PM) [snapback]255066[/snapback]



Social Security and Medicare were great ideas. If you didn't have them you'd be paying the same or more money to the poor farms.

I doubt that the largest OASI benefit checks going to the wealthiest seniors would be an indication of their otherwise being in the poorhouse...
Brian_Lambchops
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Oct 29 2006, 07:00 PM) [snapback]255325[/snapback]

What does that have to do with anything? Have you any idea how these quintiles are constructed or are you just shooting from the hip?


UMMM... in fives?
arebuntz
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Oct 29 2006, 10:00 PM) [snapback]255325[/snapback]

What does that have to do with anything? Have you any idea how these quintiles are constructed or are you just shooting from the hip?

Statistical analysis of large amounts of data...

In response to the often cited "The rich are getting richer."
Nomarchy
QUOTE(arebuntz @ Oct 29 2006, 07:12 PM) [snapback]255331[/snapback]

Statistical analysis of large amounts of data...

In response to the often cited "The rich are getting richer."


I see, you're responding to slogans with slogans. Got it.

As to the first one . . . an income quintile represents a fifth of what?

Not a whole lot of statistical analysis really involved in the quintile data the Bureau of the Census produces.
Brian_Lambchops
QUOTE(arebuntz @ Oct 29 2006, 07:12 PM) [snapback]255331[/snapback]

Statistical analysis of large amounts of data...

In response to the often cited "The rich are getting richer."


The left-wing idea of evil. The problem being it makes no mention of the poor, which is supposedly where left-wing centers their caring.
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Oct 29 2006, 01:17 PM) [snapback]255265[/snapback]

Sir, the search for (higher) profit is the 'ultimate end' (goal) of business decision-making in an economy like ours. The others you mentioned, and which I did not gainsay, are 'intermediate' and 'subordinate' goals to (higher) profits.

Cutting back on or eliminating relatively high-cost/low return investments and facilities, firing or not hiring as quickly or as many higher cost employees at all levels compared to their contribution (directly and indirectly) to the 'bottom-line', siting new operations in places with more flexible labor markets, looser-less costly environmental, safety, etc. standards, more favorable to profits tax-schemes, more favorable real-estate markets, etc. etc. etc. are all subordinate 'instruments' whereby to maximize profits.

There are always plenty of alternative instruments to arrive at the same goal (the principle of equifinality). Businesses may be 'taken to task' by critics (be they stock-holders, workers, politicians, pundits, whatever) for their choice among realistic alternative instruments, and realistic alternative time-horizons on the basis of which they evaluated their alternatives, etc. From within the current system, they cannot be legitimately critiqued for their "ultimate end" which is "maximizing share-holder value", which, unless something has radically changed about a capitalist society, remains "maximize profits'.


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which was the only criteria you put on it

Nomarchy
QUOTE(Brian_Lambchops @ Oct 29 2006, 07:17 PM) [snapback]255335[/snapback]

The left-wing idea of evil. The problem being it makes no mention of the poor, which is supposedly where left-wing centers their caring.


Why is it that you guys prefer to talk to one another, exchanging 'smart' one-liners, instead of actually debating with someone who both disagrees with you and might have something more than a slogan to respond with?

What "left-wing idea of evil" is that?

No mention of the poor? By the actual left-wing?

Brian_Lambchops
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Oct 29 2006, 07:22 PM) [snapback]255339[/snapback]

Why is it that you guys prefer to talk to one another, exchanging 'smart' one-liners, instead of actually debating with someone who both disagrees with you and might have something more than a slogan to respond with?

What "left-wing idea of evil" is that?

No mention of the poor? By the actual left-wing?


What, I have to post to you alone? Don't get jealous.

I've been around long enough to know that a lot left-wingers would much rather punish rich people than help poor ones. I spent years listening to the blame game and rejected it, while those around me denigrated ME for not buying into failures and excuses.

It's not the rich man's fault if you're poor, it's your own. Call it a slogan if you want, I really don't care. I'd rather tell the truth with plain English than try to lie with statistics.
Nomarchy
QUOTE(Brian_Lambchops @ Oct 29 2006, 07:37 PM) [snapback]255346[/snapback]

What, I have to post to you alone? Don't get jealous.

I've been around long enough to know that a lot left-wingers would much rather punish rich people than help poor ones. I spent years listening to the blame game and rejected it, while those around me denigrated ME for not buying into failures and excuses.

It's not the rich man's fault if you're poor, it's your own. Call it a slogan if you want, I really don't care. I'd rather tell the truth with plain English than try to lie with statistics.


But, who's trying to lie with statistics?

And, while it may not be "the rich man's fault" that someone is poor, it most certainly doesn't follow that it is that one's own "fault".

There are structural reasons for relative rates of poverty and affluence, BL. The antidote to bad quick personal/individualistic and structural 'analysis' (it's those people's fault, or the 'system' in general) is not the opposite, and equally bad analysis.

The answer to nihilism or an 'everybody's against me' attitude is not one of naive optimism and 'life's tough, wear a helmet'.

By the way, B_L, I would very much appreciate it if you were kindly not to use that 'politically incorrect' expression against or towards me in the future.
Brian_Lambchops
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Oct 29 2006, 08:29 PM) [snapback]255359[/snapback]

And, while it may not be "the rich man's fault" that someone is poor, it most certainly doesn't follow that it is that one's own "fault".


The US is not Haiti. If you're of at least average intellegence the opportunites are here. Therefore I consider it nobody's fault other than you're own if you're poor, unless perhaps you want to blame God or the Devil.

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By the way, B_L, I would very much appreciate it if you were kindly not to use that 'politically incorrect' expression against or towards me in the future.


Why would I want to be repetitive?
Lord_Proprietor
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Oct 29 2006, 03:57 AM) [snapback]255129[/snapback]

Sure but it's not always " the search for higher profit rates ", which was the only criteria you put on it. That's why I was expanding on the subject.



I think it's call survival of the industry!
judy
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Oct 18 2006, 04:01 PM) [snapback]251688[/snapback]

I thought that as a neocon he never really was a conservative. Now the freepers expect him to kowtow to a line he never totally stuck to.

Didn't he support John McCain in the 2000 election? And if I remember correctly, his college roommate was Alan Keyes who was also running for President that year. I never did consider William Kristol a conservative.
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(judy @ Oct 30 2006, 10:22 AM) [snapback]255521[/snapback]

Didn't he support John McCain in the 2000 election? And if I remember correctly, his college roommate was Alan Keyes who was also running for President that year. I never did consider William Kristol a conservative.


He was a McCain supporter and helped with the campaign. I don't know what a conservative is anymore. McCain was more of a deficit hawk than a lot of the big spenders that say they're conservative now. Samuel Adams, Sons of Liberty and some of the noobs are a lot more conservative than Bush ever thought of being. But they don't have to get elected.
Friend Judy
QUOTE(arebuntz @ Oct 29 2006, 07:58 PM) [snapback]255323[/snapback]

Toyota, Honda, or Hyundai in trade soon as they got there...
I always find it amusing that folks are surprised/alarmed that people who already have made money figure out how to make more of it...


I always find it black-humor amusing that folks who are always trying to make ever more money, for whom no amount of money is "enough", are somehow superior to those content to have a middle class "enough" and choose instead to have other interests in their lives than making and spending mo money.
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Oct 30 2006, 10:29 AM) [snapback]255523[/snapback]


I always find it black-humor amusing that folks who are always trying to make ever more money, for whom no amount of money is "enough", are somehow superior to those content to have a middle class "enough" and choose instead to have other interests in their lives than making and spending mo money.


I find it amusing when lefties spend their lives making and saving every penny they can while they criticize others. Pelosi, Gates, Turner, Fonda. Their money makes no difference to me, but spare me the lectures.
judy
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Oct 30 2006, 12:50 PM) [snapback]255529[/snapback]

I find it amusing when lefties spend their lives making and saving every penny they can while they criticize others. Pelosi, Gates, Turner, Fonda. Their money makes no difference to me, but spare me the lectures.


It's news to me that those with a lot of money are 'superior". I understood that the lefties considered people got rich got that way by exploiting the poor. ??? (unless, of course they inherited it ie... Kennedy which happened got their initial wealth from bootlegging.)
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(judy @ Oct 30 2006, 10:57 AM) [snapback]255532[/snapback]


It's news to me that those with a lot of money are 'superior". I understood that the lefties considered people got rich got that way by exploiting the poor. ??? (unless, of course they inherited it ie... Kennedy which happened got their initial wealth from bootlegging.)


Or Bill Gates who was notorious in his business practices.


judy
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Oct 30 2006, 01:02 PM) [snapback]255536[/snapback]

Or Bill Gates who was notorious in his business practices.


Yep...Monopoly
Lord_Proprietor
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Another stupid trick by Hastert, he never seem to know when he is being used!
Nomarchy
QUOTE(Brian_Lambchops @ Oct 29 2006, 06:06 PM) [snapback]255328[/snapback]

UMMM... in fives?


In fives of WHAT?

The highest income quintile represents one fifth of all _____ with the highest annual incomes.

Fill in the blank (I already gave it away).

QUOTE(Lord_Proprietor @ Oct 30 2006, 08:42 AM) [snapback]255505[/snapback]

I think it's call survival of the industry!


Both of you are being pedantic.

"Survival" entails a certain profit rate. If your profit rate is below the 'survival minimum', and you attempt to increase it, even if merely to "stay alive", you're seeking to enhance your profit rate.

inyerface
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Bart Katz
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Oct 30 2006, 12:51 PM) [snapback]255555[/snapback]

In fives of WHAT?

The highest income quintile represents one fifth of all _____ with the highest annual incomes.

Fill in the blank (I already gave it away).
Both of you are being pedantic.

"Survival" entails a certain profit rate. If your profit rate is below the 'survival minimum', and you attempt to increase it, even if merely to "stay alive", you're seeking to enhance your profit rate.


Sometimes you have to take a short to mid term loss to survive. Loss = no profit = negative.
Nomarchy
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Oct 30 2006, 02:48 PM) [snapback]255601[/snapback]

Sometimes you have to take a short to mid term loss to survive. Loss = no profit = negative.


Oh, for the love of God, taking a loss in one factory or one line of business IN ORDER TO IMPROVE OVERALL PROFITABILITY.

~~~~

Apparently, none can tell me a fifth of what each annual income quintile represents.
Bee
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Oct 30 2006, 07:06 PM) [snapback]255622[/snapback]

Oh, for the love of God, taking a loss in one factory or one line of business IN ORDER TO IMPROVE OVERALL PROFITABILITY.

~~~~

Apparently, none can tell me a fifth of what each annual income quintile represents.


They can't, it would blow their dumb arguments.
arebuntz
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Oct 29 2006, 09:16 PM) [snapback]255334[/snapback]

I see, you're responding to slogans with slogans. Got it.

As to the first one . . . an income quintile represents a fifth of what?


Apparently a fifth of Jack...

QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Oct 30 2006, 12:29 PM) [snapback]255523[/snapback]

I always find it black-humor amusing that folks who are always trying to make ever more money, for whom no amount of money is "enough", are somehow superior to those content to have a middle class "enough" and choose instead to have other interests in their lives than making and spending mo money.

Superior to you... sure... other than that you have not been understanding much of what is posted here...

Lets start with my annual family income, less than the median family income... that would make me lower middle class... you lose...
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Oct 30 2006, 06:06 PM) [snapback]255622[/snapback]

Oh, for the love of God, taking a loss in one factory or one line of business IN ORDER TO IMPROVE OVERALL PROFITABILITY.

~~~~

Apparently, none can tell me a fifth of what each annual income quintile represents.


Yeah, weathering a storm or two is profitable as hell. rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(arebuntz @ Oct 30 2006, 09:54 PM) [snapback]255670[/snapback]

Apparently a fifth of Jack...
Superior to you... sure... other than that you have not been understanding much of what is posted here...

Lets start with my annual family income, less than the median family income... that would make me lower middle class... you lose...


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Carol
If you crave perfection, I’m afraid you have to wait for Heaven. Here on earth, the best you can hope for are Republican majorities in the House and the Senate.

There’s an election fast-approaching, and, this being what’s referred to as an off-year, we all pretty much know what to expect. It means that instead of a 45% turn-out, we can expect a 30-something percent turn-out. Actually, to my way of thinking, an off-year election is any election in which the Dummycrats have even the slightest chance of winning.

For months now, we’ve been told over and over again that, come November 7th, the conservatives are going to stay home in droves. After all, they’re disenchanted with Bush in particular and with the GOP in general. We’re told they want to whip the Republicans into line for ’08 by letting the liberals beat the pants off them in 2006. After a while, it was hard to ignore this groundswell of moral indignation. Then, one fine day, I had an epiphany. How was it I didn’t know any of these right-wingers who were so ready and eager to hand the country over to the likes of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and the biggest lefty in the U.S. Senate, Barack Obama?

How was it that I only knew that millions of my fellow right-wingers were going to wave the white flag because I kept reading about it in the L.A. Times and hearing about it from Allan Colmes and Howard Dean? Hardly what one would call objective, disinterested parties.

The truth is, I know an awful lot of conservatives and I don’t know a single one who is so irresponsible, so unconcerned about America’s well-being, that he would sit idly by and allow this catastrophe to take place.

It would be bad enough to allow Democrats for the next two years to determine where and when, or even if, the war on terror will be waged; bad enough to allow them to eliminate Bush’s tax cuts; bad enough to let them decide whether or not to erect a wall along our southern border; bad enough to give them an even bigger say in who gets appointed to federal judgeships. But the worst part is that there’s not only no guarantee that they’d be gone after a single term, but in fact not the slightest chance. There is a reason, after all, that they’re called incumbents, not outcumbents.

Like many of you, I wish that every Republican politician was a Reagan-type conservative, but if they were, most of them wouldn’t have been elected in the first place. Politics, as somebody probably once said, is the art of the possible. If you crave perfection, I’m afraid you have to wait for Heaven. Here on earth, the best you can hope for are Republican majorities in the House and the Senate.

Only you have the power to prevent left-wing propaganda straight out of the James Carville playbook from becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.

So get out and vote, and, for once and for all, send the liberal pollsters packing.




http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/vote-early-and-often/


SherryB


Poor, sad, little Carol. Keeping hope alive. I hope she can swim when that wave overtakes her. biggrin.gif
Bart Katz
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Carol
QUOTE(SherryB @ Oct 31 2006, 11:00 AM) [snapback]255768[/snapback]


Poor, sad, little Carol. Keeping hope alive. I hope she can swim when that wave overtakes her. biggrin.gif


LOL!!!

You'll be the one drowning in a sea of tears if the Dems get their way.

Higher Taxes

Higher Energy Costs

Higher Food Bills

oh, the list will go on and on~~~

But, you go on and close your eyes and vote Dem. I want to see you come on here and cry. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Oct 31 2006, 11:04 AM) [snapback]255769[/snapback]
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He should have put a sock in it. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
SherryB


Poor, sad, delusional Carol. Better buy some water wings, the wave is coming. smile.gif
Human Ills
Wouldn't bother me one way or the other.
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