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davis¹³
up yers
Bee
Allow me.

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davis¹³
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New York Times Articles
Both Fiction and Non Fiction


This thread is every bit as valid as hers. I'm just honest about it.
Bee
It's blatant hypocrisy. She's certainly taken issue with even the very idea of anyone telling her what and when to post.

I think she got mad because I caught her plagiarizing, again. laugh.gif

Spiteful little old lady, not a typical gramma, for sure.
Bix12
ROTFLMAO!!!!

I LOVE the new thread, my Liege!!!

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I can just imagine that dust-farting old witch laying in bed at night....fiendishly trying to figure out a way (as much as her pea-brain will allow) to thwart us "riff-raff"! (especially the Mighty Bee laugh.gif )

Classic...thanks for the thread...I'll be posting here often.

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davis¹³
I hope not. It'll be gone by noon. But I didn't mean to leave it, just making a point.
SherryB


As to your question, yes. smile.gif
Arturo_Vandelay
HAHA

I just played against the Bears online. Raiders win 20-14, but I could have won bigger. I just didn't want the punk disconnecting. 4 passes to Moss for 147 yards and a TD. smile.gif
underhi2p
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davis¹³
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Mar 9 2006, 01:33 PM) [snapback]190196[/snapback]

HAHA

I just played against the Bears online. Raiders win 20-14, but I could have won bigger. I just didn't want the punk disconnecting. 4 passes to Moss for 147 yards and a TD. smile.gif



you like-a th' high speed service, eh?? laugh.gif laugh.gif
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Mar 9 2006, 01:19 PM) [snapback]190220[/snapback]



you like-a th' high speed service, eh?? laugh.gif laugh.gif


Cable might have been better, but I can live with this. smile.gif The "ping" is acceptable for Madden, but I have to shop rooms a little because some servers must be further away than others. Overall it's great, and now without having to use AOL I can switch back and forth between games and online. Before the stupid program static kept messing things up.
davis¹³
I can't tell the difference between cable and DSL. I have never downloaded files with DSL so I might be able to tell then. Other than that it is still a million times better than dialup.

You have two phone lines?
judy
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Mar 9 2006, 03:25 PM) [snapback]190223[/snapback]

Cable might have been better, but I can live with this. smile.gif The "ping" is acceptable for Madden, but I have to shop rooms a little because some servers must be further away than others. Overall it's great, and now without having to use AOL I can switch back and forth between games and online. Before the stupid program static kept messing things up.

It's a spoiler.... all right. Dial up is no longer an option!
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Mar 9 2006, 01:28 PM) [snapback]190226[/snapback]
I can't tell the difference between cable and DSL. I have never downloaded files with DSL so I might be able to tell then. Other than that it is still a million times better than dialup.

You have two phone lines?


No other phone line, but I have a tracfone I use as a pager. $5 a month, since I refer myself and get free minutes on a $20 phone.

Dialup downloaded at 5k sec, Qwest dsl about 530.

SWEEET
davis¹³
I'm playing poker talking to you guys too.
Bee
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underhi2p
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Mar 9 2006, 03:54 PM) [snapback]190242[/snapback]

I'm playing poker talking to you guys too.



Nomar will be proud of you.
Bix12
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Ozymandias

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: `Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear --
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.'

Percy Bysshe Shelley


Perhaps I should've posted this after the elections this November... cool.gif
davis¹³
White House Taps Novice for Sensitive Homeland Security Post

The Bush administration has appointed 28-year-old Douglas Hoelscher to be executive director for the Homeland Security Advisory Committee, an amalgam of 20 panels of outside experts and officials who advise the administration on homeland security matters.

Hoelscher is said to have no management experience. He came to the White House in 2001 as a $30,000-a-year scheduler.

(I've written variations on this joke so many times it's not funny anymore, so -- if you're feeling up to it -- insert your own punch line here: ___________________________!)

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000072.php


"You're doin' a great job, Dougie!"
Bee
Nothing wrong with 70% of the Republican Party. it's the delusional and loud 30% hardcore zealots that give the rest of them a bad name.

Hope they can recover. blink.gif
davis¹³
I disagree. Loyalty to Bush above everything is a character flaw.
judy
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Mar 10 2006, 12:27 PM) [snapback]190476[/snapback]

I disagree. Loyalty to Bush above everything is a character flaw.

And you have had first hand experience with character flaws! laugh.gif
davis¹³
THIS is why we should NEVER torture. Thanks to this administration embracing torture as policy now we have no legitimacy when criticizing others about human rights. And the sad thing is they are right. Can you imagine the likes of Cheney shaking his finger at these human rights violators? THIS is what Republicans have done to our fine country.


Eritrea accuses US of hypocrisy on human rights

By Ed Harris 2 hours, 50 minutes ago

ASMARA (Reuters) - Eritrea accused Washington on Saturday of hypocrisy over the release of the annual U.S. human rights report, saying in the wake of prison abuse scandals it had no moral grounds to criticize other nations.


The State Department report, which covered countries around the world, said Eritrea's record on human rights had worsened and the government continued to commit serious abuses.

"The U.S. administration has no legal or moral ground to point its fingers at other countries on human rights issues or to act as a self-appointed court," Information Minister Ali Abdu said on Saturday.

"As far as Eritrea is concerned, this is ridiculous ... and at a time when we are reading the gruesome reports from
Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay,"
he told Reuters, referring to charges of human rights abuses committed in U.S.-run prisons.

The U.S. rights report, released on Wednesday, accused Eritrea of harsh and sometimes lethal treatment of military deserters and draft evaders.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060311/ts_nm/eritrea_dc
Bix12
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'Guardian of human rights' shows its true colour
(China Daily)
Updated: 2006-03-10 05:57



Editor's note:

China's Information Office of State Council released a white paper on the human rights record of the United States in 2005 yesterday. The following is a full text of the paper.

On March 8, the US Department of State, posing once again as "the world's judge of human rights," released its Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for 2005. As in previous years, the US State Department pointed the finger at human rights situations in more than 190 countries and regions, including China, but kept silent on the serious violations of human rights in the United States. To help people realize the true features of this self-styled "guardian of human rights," it is necessary to probe into the human rights abuses in the United States in 2005.

I. On Life and Security of Person

For a long time, the life and personal security of people of the United States have not been under efficient protection. American society is characterized with rampant violent crimes. Across the country each year, 50,000 suicides and homicides are committed (Va.Violent Deaths Are Mostly Suicides, The Washington Post, October 12, 2005).

The US Justice Department reported on September 25, 2005 that there were 5,182,670 violent crimes in the United States in 2004.

II. On Infringements upon Human Rights by Law Enforcement and Judicial Organs

There exist serious infringements upon personal rights and freedom by law enforcement and judicial organs in the United States.



According to a report of the US National Broadcasting Company on December 13, 2005, the US Defence Department had been secretly collecting information about US citizens opposing the Iraq war and secretly monitoring all meetings for peace and against the war. <.> The volume of collected information is stunning (The Fog of False Choices, The New York Times, Editorial, December 20, 2005). Police abuse is also very common in the United States. <.> There exist obvious injustice and frequent rights infringements in the judiciary system.<.> The United States proclaims to be a "paradise of freedom," yet the total number and ratio of its people behind bars both rank the first in the world. <...> From 2003 to 2004, the number of prisoners grew at a rate of 900 each week. In the first half of 2004, the number of newly incarcerated in the 50 states grew 2.3 per cent over the same period of the previous year to 48,000.

<....>
Sexual infringement is quite common in prisons. According to a report released by the US Department of Justice in June 2005, an estimated 8,210 allegations of sexual violence were reported by correctional authorities, of which almost 42 per cent involved staff-on-inmate sexual misconduct.

III On Political Rights and Freedom

The United States has always boasted itself as the "model of democracy" and hawked its mode of democracy to the rest of the world. In fact, American "democracy" is always one for the wealthy and a "game for the rich."

The democratic elections in the United States, to a great extent, are driven by money. <...> Decisions of the US Congress and the Administration are deeply influenced by money. <...> In 2004, US$2.1 billion was spent on lobbying the federal government and the Congress. <....> Former US Attorney General Ramsey Clark said it is an offence to democracy to describe the United States as a democracy.

The United States flaunts its press freedom but scandals about the US Government blocking and manipulating information came out continually. <....>

IV On Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

The United States is the richest in the world, but its poverty rate is also the highest among the developed countries. In the United States, problems such as poverty, hunger and homelessness are quite serious, and the economic, social and cultural rights of working people are not guaranteed.

A study of eight advanced countries by London School of Economics in 2005 found that the United States had the worst social inequality, Reuters reported on April 25, 2005. The poverty rate of the United States is the highest in the developed world and more than twice as high as in most other industrialized countries (Newsweek, The Other America, September 19, 2005). In recent years the fortunes of the rich have continued to rise in the United States. <...> The New York Times reported on November 22, 2005 that in 2004 3.9 million families had members who were undernourished.

Homelessness is a serious problem. <....> The Los Angeles Times reported on June 16, 2005 that Los Angeles County has become "the homeless capital of America," with the average number of vagabonds or people in shelters hitting 90,000 a day, including 35,000 people chronically homeless.

The rights of American labour are not guaranteed. <...> Per capita medical expenses in the United States are higher than in any other countries, however, the crisis of health insurance for workers is quite prominent. <...> . New York City alone had nearly 2 million residents without health insurance, with two thirds of them on payrolls. Each year 18,000 Americans die due to lack of medical treatment.

A survey released by Kaiser Family Foundation in September 2005 found that only 60 per cent of employers offered health insurance coverage, down from 69 per cent five years earlier.

V. On Racial Discrimination

The United States is a multi-ethnic nation of immigrants, with minority ethnic groups accounting for more than one-fourth of its population. But racial discrimination has long been a chronic malady of American society.

<....>

Racial discrimination in US justice and law enforcement is serious. William J. Bennett, former US Secretary of Education, once said that the only way to lower the crime rate in America was for all African Amreican women to have abortion.

<....>

Violent crimes against ethnic minorities have been increasing in America. According to a FBI report issued in October 2005, of the 9,528 victims of hate crimes in 2004, 53.8 per cent were victims of racial prejudice, and 67.9 per cent were blacks. Among the hate crime offenders, 60.6 per cent were whites. According to statistics, African Americans are 20 times more likely than whites to be a victim of hate crimes. In Los Angeles, 56 per cent of hate crimes were targeted at African Americans.

VI. On Rights of Women and Children

The United States does not have a good record in safeguarding the rights of women and children.

Women in the United States do not share equal rights and opportunities with men in politics. A research by the Inter-Parliamentary Union showed the United States ranked 61st in terms of women's representation in national legislature or parliaments out of over 180 directly electing countries, down from the 58th in December 2003.

<...>

In terms of the child poverty index, the United States ranked next to the last among 22 developed nations in the world. Statistics released by US Census Bureau on August 30, 2005 showed children accounted for nearly one third of the 37 million poverty population in the country. And 1.35 million US children had experienced homelessness.

<....>

At present, the number of child offenders serving life without parole sentences in the United States is three times of those 15 years ago. Child offenders often experienced abuse in prisons, and staff-on-inmate sexual assaults at correctional institutions for juveniles were almost 10 times more than in jails for adult offenders. The United States is one of the few countries that sentence child offenders to death. To date, six states in America still have no minimum age for death sentence.

In 2004, a total of 63 juveniles aged 17 or under were sentenced to death. At present, there are around 3,500 prisoners on death row in the United States, with 72 of them sentenced for crimes they committed before they turned 18.

VII. On the United States?Violation of Human Rights in Other Countries

Pursuing unilateralism on the international arena, the US government grossly violates the sovereignty and human rights of other countries in contempt of universally-recognized international norms. The US government frequently commits wanton slaughters of innocents in its war efforts and military operations in other countries.

<....>

In 2005, news of prisoner abuse by the US forces again hit headlines, following their 2004 prisoner abuse scandal that stunned the world. To extract information, the US forces in Iraq employed various kinds of torture in their interrogations. They abused the Iraqi detainees systematically, including sleep deprivation, tying them to the wall, hitting them with baseball bats, denying their access to water and food, forcing them to listen to extremely loud music in completely dark places for days running, unleashing dogs to bite them for amusement and even scaring them by putting them in the same cage with lions (reports from The Washington Post, The New York Times, the Washington Weekly and other news media).

A report by The Human Rights Watch in September 2005 said that US soldiers regarded prisoner abuse as "amusement?and a way "to relieve stress.

<...>

After the September 11 attacks, the United States wantonly apprehended terrorism suspects worldwide, flaunting the banner of "anti-terrorism.

<....>

In 2005, the scandal of the "secret prisons" set up overseas by the US Government was revealed, causing an international uproar. The New York Times carried an article titled Secrets and Shame on November 3, 2005, criticizing the overseas secret prison network concealed by the CIA.

<....>

According to The Washington Post, after the September 11 attacks, the CIA set up covert prisons, only known to a handful of officials in the White House, Justice Department and the Congress.

To obtain intelligence from the captives, the CIA employed various kinds of torture.

<.....>

The facts listed above show a poor human rights record of the United States, which forms not only a sharp contrast with its image of a self-claimed "advocate of human rights" but also disaccord with its level of economic and social development and international status. The US Government ought to first clean up its own record of human rights before qualifying itself to comment on human rights situations in other countries, let alone arrogantly telling them what to do.

<....>

We urge the US Government to look squarely at its own human rights problems, reflect what it has done in the human rights field and take concrete measures to improve its own human rights status. The US government should stop provoking international confrontation on the issue of human rights, and make a fresh start to contribute more to international human rights co-operation and to the healthy development of international human rights cause.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2...tent_530473.htm


I posted this just as an FYI...there are billions of people outside our border that are reading this. If you read the full text at the link, there is a whole bunch of documentation, using various sources...mostly those provided by the USA.
judy
QUOTE(Bix12 @ Mar 11 2006, 09:47 AM) [snapback]190711[/snapback]

I posted this just as an FYI...there are billions of people outside our border that are reading this. If you read the full text at the link, there is a whole bunch of documentation, using various sources...mostly those provided by the USA.

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Bix12

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Ex-White House official arrested for thefts
Domestic policy adviser who resigned in January accused in return scam

Updated: 10:05 p.m. ET March 10, 2006

COLLEGE PARK, Md. - A former domestic policy adviser to President Bush has been charged with theft for allegedly receiving phony refunds at department stores.

Claude Alexander Allen, 45, was arrested Thursday by Montgomery County police for allegedly returning more than $5,000 worth of merchandise he did not buy, according to county and federal authorities.

Allen was the No. 2 official in the Health and Human Services Department when Bush nominated him in April 2003 to the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Va. Bush nominated him to the court again a year later, but Allen never received a Senate vote.

During his confirmation hearing, Allen was questioned about his use of the word "queer" when he was a press aide to Sen. Jesse Helms, R-N.C., in 1984. Allen said he didn't intend it as a slur against gay people.

In early 2005, Bush hired Allen as a domestic policy adviser. He resigned abruptly on Feb. 9, saying he wanted to spend more time with his family.

Calls to Allen's home in Gaithersburg, a Washington suburb, were not returned. The White House also did not return calls seeking comment.

Allen has been under investigation since at least January for the alleged thefts on 25 different occasions at Target and Hecht's stores, a police spokesman, Lt. Eric Burnett, said. Police reviewed his credit card records to track his purchase.

Police believe Allen would buy items, take them to his car, then return to the store with his receipt. He would select the same items, then take them to the store return desk and show the receipt from the first purchase. Using that method, he would receive credit for the second items on his credit cards, Burnett said.

Allen was allegedly seen Jan. 2 at a Target in Gaithersburg taking items off the shelf that he then took the return desk. He had a receipt for the merchandise, was given a refund and left.

The items he allegedly received fraudulent refunds for include clothing, a Bose theater system and stereo equipment. Some purchases were as little as $2.50.

Allen was released on his own recognizance by a Montgomery District Court judge.

Before joining the Bush administration, Allen was Virginia Health and Human Resources secretary.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11770707/


Crooks, Liars, and Thieves.
judy
QUOTE(Bix12 @ Mar 11 2006, 07:23 PM) [snapback]190820[/snapback]

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Crooks, Liars, and Thieves.

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davis¹³
When it's a democrat it's "Oh my god!!! Can you believe the crooks and villians!!???"
judy
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Mar 11 2006, 08:55 PM) [snapback]190839[/snapback]

When it's a democrat it's "Oh my god!!! Can you believe the crooks and villians!!???"

I though your only interest was torture?
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Bee
QUOTE(Bix12 @ Mar 11 2006, 07:23 PM) [snapback]190820[/snapback]

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Crooks, Liars, and Thieves.


I was reading about it today. Just another example of Bush's incompetence. laugh.gif

Look who was running the White House task force on Katrina. The Allen fiasco was hysterical until Josh Marshall pointed out this disgusting fact.

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Press Gaggle with Scott McClellan
Aboard Air Force One
En Route Andrews Air Force Base, MD

11:09 A.M. EDT

MR. McCLELLAN: All right, let me give you an update on the President's morning. The President did participate in a video conference with federal officials. And let me tell you who all was on the video conference call. The President was on the video conference, obviously, here from Crawford. Joining him from Crawford were Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove and Deputy National Security Advisor J.D. Crouch, and Secretary Card was on the video conference from Maine. He is returning back to D.C. today, as well. The Vice President was on from Wyoming. Back in Washington, at the White House, you had Secretary Chertoff and Deputy Secretary Michael Jackson. You also had Homeland Security Advisor Fran Townsend, Claude Allen, who is overseeing the White House Task Force, Dan Bartlett, and other staff was on, as well, back in Washington. And then in the region, you had Mike Brown, Under Secretary Mike Brown, participating in the video conference.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/20...20050831-2.html


No wonder they never got the supplies! Allen was returning them for refunds and pocketing the funds! farking profiteers. First they make a pile off Iraq, now we find that these filthy profiteers have petty thieves in charge of aiding our own citizens in a crisis.

When you consider just how messed up this administration is it's a miracle they haven't done even more damage then they have.
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Bee
I'm sure Bush is Hacker Bart's very special "bud" as he enjoys bending over for the guy. rolleyes.gif
underhi2p
QUOTE(Bee @ Mar 12 2006, 10:43 PM) [snapback]191153[/snapback]

I'm sure Bush is Hacker Bart's very special "bud" as he enjoys bending over for the guy. rolleyes.gif

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cptrev
The Douglas Hoelscher appointment seems almost too sad to laugh at. On one hand, I can see why truly qualified persons aren't at all interested in political jobs. The pay is too low and the scrutiny is too high to be worth it for most.

There are the "change the world" because "we're smarter than everyone" types that the Clinton White House seemed to be filled with... and now the Bush WH employs the crowd wearing the "my daddy knew someone who donated a lot of money and all I got was this stupid crucial appointment." T-shirts.

The Claude Allen story is a head shaker. If proven true (obviously Republicans must be guilty at the moment accused rather than innocent at any time after birth), you have to wonder what would lead someone with that kind of income and position to do anything to put it at risk.

I gave up on this Administration a long time ago. I actually appreciate this thread despite having to wade through the verbal feces to pick out the factual information.

Conservative does NOT equal Republican.... especially today.
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(cptrev @ Mar 14 2006, 05:06 PM) [snapback]191460[/snapback]


There are the "change the world" because "we're smarter than everyone" types that the Clinton White House seemed to be filled with... and now the Bush WH employs the crowd wearing the "my daddy knew someone who donated a lot of money and all I got was this stupid crucial appointment." T-shirts.




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Conservative does NOT equal Republican.... especially today.


I'm not either, but I wouldn't vote for Gore or Kerry under almost any circumstances.
Mizilus
always better to vote for the thieving devil than a spineless democrat.
cptrev
Hmm... no, my reluctance to vote for a Democrat despite the problems in the Republican party stem from 2 main issues.

1. I believe there is too MUCH reliance on the government to solve the problems of the poor - in the form of transferring wealth directly to them without meaningful accountability or assessment of our efforts to improve "their" lot.

2. I believe the Dem's as a party support wholesale social re-engineering that is unhealthy for the nation. In that regard, I am "conservative". I support eradicating the "sodomy" laws. I do not support redefining marriage and submitting children to the confusion of being adopted by those with "alternative lifestyles". In almost every area of social fabric - I believe Dem's would be guilty of trying to create a "brave new world" that abandons wholesale any historical sense of morality.

The Republican Party's sense of "morality" is no shining city on a hill - but it moves slowly in terms of changing historical markers. In that, it is "conservative".

The Republican Party's wisdom in addressing poverty is almost laughable... in fact, I grow closer and closer to abandoning support because of their evil and wrongheaded attacks on things as logical as the Estate Tax to fund the government and prevent the rise of family oligarchies.
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The Republican Party's sense of "morality" is no shining city on a hill - but it moves slowly in terms of changing historical markers. In that, it is "conservative".



Respectfully ctrev, I don't see it that way at all. Honestly, I don't know how you can see it that way. 10 years has made a world of difference in the party. I was one of those in the past who voted candidate, some times Republican. I believed in many aspects of the Contract for America. The fiscal conservatives of yesterday are the Republican defendants of today. They changed so much they don't even look the same. Term limits, states rights, small federal government? Cleaning up DC?

In other ways they look just like the Iran/Contra defendants except x 1000.

Term limits went out the window for obvious reasons. States rights turned into Ashcroft mining for abortion records, launching a war against assisted suicide, and targeting doctors who wanted to prescribe marijuana to their patients.

And as far as small federal government goes... how about the biggest expansion of federal power in our history? The Patriot act alone eviscerates the Constitution, plain and simple. There is no way the Republicans of pre-9/11 would have ever considered granting those broad, sweeping powers to the government. Can you imagine the Republican reaction if Janet Reno was in charge of it?

And as for the fiscal parts ...well, I don't think I even have to mention the massive fiscal disaster they have overseen. They don't even count the war and they lie about their other figures. What ever happened to the balanced budget?


Are these even the same people?


And that doesn't even mention the morality/immorality of advocating torture. Reagan was always talking about human rights, Soviet Union's gulags, remember Andre Sakharov? Remeber how we used to condemn the inhumanity? Now, the president reserves the right to torture even as he's signing an anti-torture statement. Can you imagine Bush sr as VP saying we need to be able to tortue suspects? How is the Republican stand on torture even close to moral? Before 9/11 Republicans would have never openly advocated for torture. One of the carol/judy twins said torture wasn't a bad problem in the US. I think it's absolutely disgusting and contrary to everything we've stood for that's decent and honorable.

Oh yes my friend, their morals have changed alright. As part of the evengelical movement in the early 80s there is no way in hell I would ever, ever follow any leader who would dare to insult the United States by favoring the use of torture. Never. No one could ever pull that one over on me.


Honestly, I have no clue how they've done it. The biggest bait and switch scam job in history.

So respectfully ctrev, I couldn't disagree more.
Tom Servo
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Mar 15 2006, 03:03 PM) [snapback]191648[/snapback]

The biggest bait and switch scam job in history.

Well, at least since the '30s; when socialists stole the term "liberal".
davis¹³
QUOTE(Tom Servo @ Mar 15 2006, 02:09 PM) [snapback]191650[/snapback]

Well, at least since the '30s; when socialists stole the term "liberal".



I don't see them riding the 9/11 wave to prosperity.
cptrev
I believe I yield your points, davis, although perhaps not as strongly held as you.

Yet I still believe that Dem's are a "worse" worse. I believe that changing moral standards should be "evolutionary", not "revolutionary".

And I believe that Dem's approach to social welfare is a much more European style form of socialism that I believe is worse for the country.

Although, the Repub's seem to be trying very hard to convince me that my marginal preference for their failures is misplaced.

I like Michael Steele for Maryland Senator. He's the type of Republican that I can support wholeheartedly. I don't know of a Democrat I can say that about. So, as it stands now... it's 1 vs. 0 for party representatives I fully support! A close race to be sure!
davis¹³
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I believe I yield your points, davis, although perhaps not as strongly held as you.


Fair enough. But the clincher for me is 9/11. Once they used that as a political tool that was the last straw. There are some things you don't take advantage of. Widows and orphans being very high on the list.


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Yet I still believe that Dem's are a "worse" worse. I believe that changing moral standards should be "evolutionary", not "revolutionary".

And I believe that Dem's approach to social welfare is a much more European style form of socialism that I believe is worse for the country.


I hear a lot about morals from Republicans but what I see is see the Republicans shifting massive amounts of cash to the politically connected and wealthy over those who could really use a break. Granted, I've never been rich so I see things from a blue collar perspective. Why didn't they help the middle class or poor like they did the wealthy and industry? I see a lop sided advocacy. Big time payback. 40 years in the wilderness now they are going to make up for it in every way. It's staggering, actually. The sheer scale of it. The wholesale changes that congress approves without even reading bills. It's an obscenity. But I'm not bitter. lol


The poor can't match industry as far as lobbyists. I don't see too much compassion from those who claim sole possession of compassion and virture.

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Although, the Repub's seem to be trying very hard to convince me that my marginal preference for their failures is misplaced.


It is, IMO. I could not justify being part of a group that has sank so low so fast. Believe it or not, I used to support them. Democrats used to torque me off. I thought Waco was a disaster. Ruby Ridge was disgusting. Hell, I've even belonged to the NRA. I despise Chuckie SchOOooooOOOmer almost as much as DeLay, but for way different reasons. I'm pro-capitol punishment, pro-2nd amendment, pro-corporal punishment, a hunting advocate, ect, ect. I'm not even close to a radical on either side.

I'm just mad at the two-faced opportunistic Republicans. They did a 180 on almost all the issues I supported. Especially the cashing in part. Fool me once and I'll never vote for your backstabbing carcass again. Returning ethics to DC my ass. Tom Servo says I was a sucker to even believe them the first time. laugh.gif laugh.gif Even so, I have a looooong memory when it comes to that. Thank god I didn't live in Duke Cunningham's district. Can you imagine how they feel?

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I like Michael Steele for Maryland Senator. He's the type of Republican that I can support wholeheartedly. I don't know of a Democrat I can say that about. So, as it stands now... it's 1 vs. 0 for party representatives I fully support! A close race to be sure!


I have Obama. He seems to be honest so far. Hasn't self destructed with a scandal. Knock on wood.

You remind me of clebourne on the old site. We had a couple of decent, civil conversations about Iran/Contra.
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Bush-Bashing Trumps Ideas for Democrats
David Limbaugh
Tuesday, March 14, 2006

Yes, Republicans are experiencing great difficulties right now, but the good news - politically speaking - is that Democrats are in even worse shape. While they can feast on their anti-Bush cuisine between elections, they're eventually going to have to come up with a menu of their own.

Today, they not only have no menu; they don't even have recipes for basic dishes. Their problem is not that they have too many cooks in the kitchen, but none. All of their chefs are in the Republicans' kitchen, and they don't know how to return to their own.


Their negativity alone is not going to get them back into the White House or majority status in Congress. Eventually - by all rights, it already ought to be too late - they're going to have to come up with an agenda.

But so far they can't be bothered. They're busy - doing the people's work in slandering President Bush and nobly ferreting out the "culture of corruption." Their self-appointed function is to undo, rather than do.

Democrats promised to produce their legislative agenda by November 2005, to give voters a full year before the 2006 elections to absorb their proposals. One wonders what they were doing the rest of 2005, or since 2001, for that matter.


But one need not wonder. The answer is that they excused themselves from developing an agenda because Bush-bashing was a far safer, easier and more satisfying pastime. One can only imagine the irresistible temptations they face to delay the unveiling of their sure-to-be earth-shattering blueprint. Once they do, they won't be able to focus the nation's attention as sharply on the evils and incompetence of President Bush. The release of their plan, in fact, will be an annoying distraction. But worse, it will require them to stand behind and defend something of their own.

As it turned out, November 2005 came and went. Dem honchos decided it was too early to release the plan. Too early? Too early for what? Surely not too early for a nation they have been telling us is in dire trouble. No, too early to allow them to best capitalize on the plan's publication.

Not to worry. They said they would have the plan ready by January. Once again, the party with all the answers failed again to give us any of them. They have since scheduled and missed two more "deadlines," but House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi assures us the document will be ready in "a matter of weeks."

Just so there is no confusion here, the "plan" concerns their proposed legislative agenda. They can't even get their act together on domestic issues. But they're in even more chaos when it comes to ideas about the War on Terror, especially Iraq.

What do they suggest we do? Withdraw outright? No, that's just the Murtha/Clooney brigade. The Biden faction wants us to withdraw soon, but only if the political conditions in the country don't improve. That's bold of you, Joe.


What does John Kerry want? Who could ever know? The poor man didn't even tell us during the entirety of his laborious presidential campaign. Not long ago, he and his fellow geniuses were demanding more troops, then quickly reverting back to their withdrawal demands.

What about Iran or North Korea? Democrats sure have relentlessly slammed Bush over not discovering a magical solution to neuter these two "Axis of Evil" charter members. On one side of their mouths, they say Bush is not being tough enough and is doing nothing. On the other, they issue dire warnings that he might actually do something.

Meanwhile, they tell us we aren't doing enough to capture Osama, "the tallest man in Afghanistan." Forgetting their childishly myopic view of the War on Terror, this mantra is wearing thin. Do they really believe President Bush isn't doing everything he can to find Osama and al-Zarqawi? If so, perhaps they can tell us where they are, or explain why the military they so love has not yet produced them.

The sad truth is that the Democrats have articulated no plan for the WOT or Iraq because they don't have one. Their worldview tells them - facts and reality be damned - that this war is largely a matter of our failure of diplomacy, international relations, and shortcomings in winning the hearts and minds of the murderers who want to kill us.

Their platitude, "We can do better," is not likely to fool enough voters when they can't even do "better enough" to produce a plan. The only thing they're better at these days is naysaying. But if such empty slogans end up working, this country is headed for worse trouble than even these professional critics can imagine.




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Bush Approval Falls to 33%
Dubai Ports Fallout

Released: March 15, 2006

Summary of Findings

In the aftermath of the Dubai ports deal, President Bush's approval rating has hit a new low and his image for honesty and effectiveness has been damaged. Yet the public uncharacteristically has good things to say about the role that Congress played in this high-profile Washington controversy.

Bush's overall approval measure stands at 33%, the lowest rating of his presidency. Bush's job performance mark is now about the same as the ratings for Democratic and Republican congressional leaders (34% and 32%, respectively), which showed no improvement in spite of public approval of the congressional response to the ports deal.

The president's ratings for handling of several specific issues, particularly terrorism, have also declined sharply. Just 42% now approve of Bush's job in handling terrorist threats, an 11-point drop since February. In January 2005, as Bush was starting his second term, 62% approved of his handling of terrorist threats.

Bush's personal image also has weakened noticeably, which is reflected in people's one-word descriptions of the president. Honesty had been the single trait most closely associated with Bush, but in the current survey "incompetent" is the descriptor used most frequently.

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Bush: Personal Impressions

The public's personal impressions of Bush's trustworthiness, effectiveness and leadership have all declined sharply since last fall. In this regard, a significantly higher percentage of Americans believe that Bush is "out of touch" with what is going on with the government than said that about former President Reagan during his second term, in August 1987.

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Fully 56% say that about Bush now, compared with 47% who expressed that view of Reagan nearly 20 years ago. At that time, Reagan's image had been tarnished by the Iran-contra affair, though his approval rating was much higher than Bush's is currently (50% in September 1987 vs. 33% today).

In a Word...Incompetent

President Bush's declining image also is reflected in the single-word descriptions people use to describe their impression of the president. Three years ago, positive one-word descriptions of Bush far outnumbered negative ones. Over the past two years, the positive-negative balance has been roughly equal. But the one-word characterizations have turned decidedly negative since last July.

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Currently, 48% use a negative word to describe Bush compared with just 28% who use a positive term, and 10% who use neutral language.

The changing impressions of the president can best be viewed by tracking over time how often words come up in these top-of-the-mind associations. Until now, the most frequently offered word to describe the president was "honest," but this comes up far less often today than in the past. Other positive traits such as "integrity" are also cited less, and virtually no respondent used superlatives such as "excellent" or "great" ­ terms that came up fairly often in previous surveys.

The single word most frequently associated with George W. Bush today is "incompetent,"and close behind are two other increasingly mentioned descriptors: "idiot" and "liar."

All three are mentioned far more often today than a year ago.

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The single word most frequently associated with George W. Bush today is "incompetent,"and close behind are two other increasingly mentioned descriptors: "idiot" and "liar."


Is warmonger one or two words? I have a few others that would be appropriate.

As for the scumsucking verminous liar, David Limbaugh?

He can shuffle his skanky carcass straight to hell with the rest of his torture loving, war mongering, faith-based killers.


Bush is a war loving, faith-based killer. Thanks for dragging our country into the sewer, George. Heartless, cold-blooded and opportunistic. The perfect face of the Republican party.



Bush to Restate Terror Strategy
2002 Doctrine of Preemptive War To Be Reaffirmed

By Peter Baker
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, March 16, 2006; Page A01

President Bush plans to issue a new national security strategy today reaffirming his doctrine of preemptive war against terrorists and hostile states with chemical, biological or nuclear weapons, despite the troubled experience in Iraq.

The long-overdue document, an articulation of U.S. strategic priorities that is required by law, lays out a robust view of America's power and an assertive view of its responsibility to bring change around the world. On topics including genocide, human trafficking and AIDS, the strategy describes itself as "idealistic about goals and realistic about means."



The strategy expands on the original security framework developed by the Bush administration in September 2002, before the invasion of Iraq. That strategy shifted U.S. foreign policy away from decades of deterrence and containment toward a more aggressive stance of attacking enemies before they attack the United States.

The preemption doctrine generated fierce debate at the time, and many critics believe the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq fatally undermined an essential assumption of the strategy -- that intelligence about an enemy's capabilities and intentions can be sufficient to justify preventive war.

In his revised version, Bush offers no second thoughts about the preemption policy, saying it "remains the same" and defending it as necessary for a country in the "early years of a long struggle" akin to the Cold War. In a nod to critics in Europe, the document places a greater emphasis on working with allies and declares diplomacy to be "our strong preference" in tackling the threat of weapons of mass destruction.

"If necessary, however, under long-standing principles of self defense, we do not rule out use of force before attacks occur, even if uncertainty remains as to the time and place of the enemy's attack," the document continues. "When the consequences of an attack with WMD are potentially so devastating, we cannot afford to stand idly by as grave dangers materialize."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...6031502297.html
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U.S. Retools Its Security Strategy
By Caroline Daniel, Financial Times
March 16, 2006

WASHINGTON — The White House today will back away from the use of preemptive military strikes against perceived terrorist threats in its new National Security Strategy.

However, it will harden its rhetoric against Russia, China and notably Iran, in the first formal review of foreign policy since the invasion of Iraq.


The strategic report, to be published today, presents the first significant revision of the landmark 2002 document.

"We may face no greater challenge from a single country than Iran," the new strategy says, citing its nuclear ambitions. "The Iranian regime sponsors terrorism; threatens Israel; seeks to thwart Middle East peace; disrupts democracy in Iraq."

The document says "transformational democracy" remains the overriding aim.

But the concept of "coalitions of the willing," the philosophy that administration critics say fractured the transatlantic alliance and undermined the United Nations, is notably absent.

"We must be prepared to act alone if necessary, while recognizing that there is little of lasting consequence that we can accomplish without the sustained cooperation of our allies and partners," the document says.

America's mission is still one of "ending tyranny in our world," but "our national security strategy is idealistic about its goals and realistic about means," the document says. By contrast, the 2002 document projected a willingness to engage wars of choice without allies' overwhelming support.

The new document steps back from its generally optimistic view of Russia. In 2002, Russia was said to be "in the midst of a hopeful transition, reaching for its democratic future and a partner in the war on terror."

Now the U.S. report calls on Russia not to impede the cause of freedom on its borders. "Recent trends regrettably point toward a diminishing commitment to democratic freedoms and institutions," it says.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/na...eadlines-nation
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The single word most frequently associated with George W. Bush today is "incompetent,"and close behind are two other increasingly mentioned descriptors: "idiot" and "liar."


He's earned it, with help from the ass-kissing GOP.

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Good news.

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- U.S. Rep. Katherine Harris plans to spend $10 million she inherited from her father in her race to unseat Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson, she announced Wednesday night to end speculation she would quit the race.

The decision at least temporarily puts her on even financial ground with Nelson, who began the year with $8 million in his campaign account compared to Harris' $1 million. Harris failed to meet fundraising goals, largely because GOP leaders in Washington didn't openly embrace her campaign after she entered the race last summer.

Rumors swirled that she would get out of the race after her name was associated with a defense contractor who bribed another congressman. But she went on Fox News' "Hannity & Colmes." to make it clear she's still in.

"I'm staying. I'm in this race. I'm going to win," she told Sean Hannity in a taped segment. "I'm going to put everything on the line."

Her father, wealthy banker George Harris, died unexpectedly in January. After the funeral she dedicated her campaign to him.

"When I lost him, I said I would win this for my father," she said.

Republican Party of Florida Chairman Carole Jean Jordan said she supports Harris' decision.

"It's an investment in our state, it's an investment in our values, it's an investment in what she believes and what her dad believed and what her granddad believed in," Jordan said.

Even if she spends millions on the race, though, it will be difficult for her to catch up to Nelson. A University of North Florida poll released hours before her television appearance shows Harris 20 points behind, 48-28. The statewide poll of 591 registered voters has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percent.

"Her challenge is that she's well known," said Matthew Corrigan, a political science professor at the university. "These are both well known candidates. With that name recognition comes entrenched opinions."

Harris is despised by many Democrats and independents for the role in the 2000 presidential recount, when as Florida's secretary of state she certified President Bush's 537-vote victory. The U.S. Supreme Court later stopped recounts challenging the results.

"She's been forced to write herself a check, doesn't that kind of tell you that she doesn't have support from her own leaders, let alone Floridians," said Florida Democratic Party Chairman Karen Thurman. "After some of these scandalous campaign contributions maybe she's better off paying for her unbridled ambitions."

Harris' campaign has been the subject of speculation since Mitchell Wade, the former president of MZM Inc., admitted making $32,000 in illegal contributions to Harris' 2004 House campaign. Wade also pleaded guilty to bribing former U.S. Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, R-Calif., who was sent to prison earlier this month for bribery.

Harris said she did not knowingly do anything illegal and said she donated the money to charity.

"This is just a desperate attempt to deflect attention from a career of blunders and failures; from ties to one of the country's largest-ever bribery scandals; and, from the fact that there is no real support for Katherine Harris's campaign," Dan McLaughlin, a spokesman for Nelson, said in an e-mail.

Her campaign has struggling to gain ground. When she announced her plans to run last summer, Republican leaders in Washington kept searching for another candidate. She also has turnover among campaign staff.

The latest to leave is Anne Dunsmore, who served as Harris' national fundraising director.

"It is not based on her decision to stay in or drop out," Dunsmore said. "She's a strong person and she makes her own choices and I've always respected her for that."

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